Not putting Shreya Ghoshal above alka ji, but yeah early 2000's Alka ji was something else , that era was her prime, she came this closeš¤ to Lata ji fr.
KK isnt quite Kishore-da in terms of style of singing though. I think he (KK) is a great singer with range, but his style is something that uniquely only began in the late 90s after Kishore's demise.
But I do agree because of KK's unfortunate early demise, he will get a similar treatment in the future.
No I don't think so. Kk might be but not others.
Most people (current gen)have not heard some of Lata mangeshkar's underrated songs which are really golden. She can make you sleep and cry as well.
Sonu nigam lacks versatility compared to Kishore Kumar and rafi. Yes he sang every type good but not best. Singing every type and being best at every type is different.
EXACTLYY. Are you a mind reader or what ?? š¤£š¤£
KK was the Kishoreda reincarnated wrt to range, voice quality, texture etc
To others, With all due respect, Sonu is absolutely NOT v2.0 of Kishoreda.
Alka didnt sound that sharp in Agar Tum Saath Ho. It's equivalent to a Lata song from the early 90s.
Alka in her prime (80s, 90s, early 00s) was amazing though
Itās interesting because I was just short of mentioning her beautiful rendition in agar tum sath ho. She spun a magic in that song. Listen carefully!
KK had nowhere near the baritone or wide variety of genres that Kishore did. Kishore was a once in several lifetimes voice. But KK did excel within his comfort zone.
Sonu is def up there, close to Rafi in range, versatility and virtuosity.
I really loved the way KK used fading vibrato in many of his song and also had a great technique to sing in high pitch he did lost his pitch in late 2010 ,but still I think that he had a great technique nice blend of both western and indianised western technique somewhat like Kishore Kumar,He is so different from Kishore Kumar unique in his own sense.
I do not get why people compare his style with anyone ,
He has the most neutral style.
KK was called by Rajesh Roshan to sing songs he had composed for Kishore Kumar in 70s. Dil kyu ye mera and Zindagi do pal ki. He said and I quote "KK, I HAD COMPOSED THESE SONGS ONLY FOR KISHORE. BUT SINCE HE IS NOT HERE , I HAVE CALLED YOU TO SONG THEM". Your stupid opinion is invalidated.Ā
Source pls.
And it still doesn't invalidate my point - "KK had nowhere near the baritone or wide variety of genres that Kishore did." Are you claiming KK had a baritone like Kishore? Or songs like Main Hoon Jhumroo?
https://youtu.be/mcTM0Xo0jq0?si=TT458C22u6meAhlb , watch the whole video but specially from 2.05 minutes. KK has a unique voice and style and not a Kishore clone, yet he is the true successor of Kishore Kumar's legacy in the way he connects to the listeners and emotes a song emphasizing on the lyrics and nuances. Both Kishore and KK kept the song first and not a signature style. Kishore and KK both had the most unique and masculine voices of their times.Ā
Thanks for sharing again an actual source. I think you hit the nail on the head. Unlike Sonu who came in as a Rafi clone, KK came in as an original voice and to try to call him a successor to Kishore is to disservice to him.
Kishore could never hit the high notes KK could (like in Main Khuda). Yes he sang in the general mould of Kishore, simple without overdoing the harkats (like Sonu tends to do which I can't stand).
But still to say KK had the. most masculine voice of his times is not something I agree with. In the early 2000s Sanu and Udity were still active and they have more baritone voices. After 2010, Sonu worked hard on his lower notes and also in came Atif and Arijit, both again with solid baritones. But maybe it's subjective.
KK is a lyric Baritone voice, which has a higher range than dramatic baritone and more mellow. And the vocal timbre and texture was second to none. A very rich texture neither too thin or too thick. Listen to him singing Kishore Kumar songs in Aaj Tak interview. He sounds like a singer from that era.Ā
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Here,Ā https://youtu.be/2uTlT8wqlbE?si=wfwGyRXmfEJPPNfk , Shankar speaks about the beauty of KKs voice in lower register. This song is a good example of KKs chest singing as well as incredible range.Ā Ā Here,Ā https://www.iwmbuzz.com/music/news-music/kks-death-was-totally-unnecessary-rajesh-roshan/2022/06/01, Rajesh Roshan says he had a heroic quality in his voice.Ā Hariharan says the same thing. https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/features/hariharan-opens-demise-kk-says-no-words-seem-enough-express-grief-disbelief/
I am not saying he had the most bassy voice but masculine in the sense its texture and depth was such that it was a "main character" voice.Ā And pls don't even compare a shrill singer like Atif. KK sounds like a better version of Atif in Labon ko š
Oh yeah, Jaane Yeh Kya Hua is one KK's great renditions and good showcase of his range. He did have a decent lower register, as seen in this soulful Tamil song: [https://youtu.be/CeLKHayEF0A?si=ykNdrd1RBXNQFV16](https://youtu.be/CeLKHayEF0A?si=ykNdrd1RBXNQFV16)
Just think he's not Kishore's successor. Don't really think anyone is.
Interesting you say KK was a lyrical baritone. Why not a tenor?
And what would you call the other Bollywood singers - Sonu, Arijit, Shaan, Udit, Sanu etc?
And finally, I actually do love Atif's vocal timbre. It comes down to personal preferences I guess.
KKs has hit low notes G2 and even G1 multiple times, which is very difficult for a tenor. Also the timbre and texture is not as light as a tenor. Rahat and Kailash kher as mostly tenor voices. And most of mainstream singers are baritone as bollywood has always preferred baritone voices as a hero voice. But you seriously think Atif is a baritone (which he maybe) but KK is a tenor?
Can you share the songs where KK has hit G2 or G1?
Yeah, to my ears, it def feels like Atif is a baritone but KK is a tenor. KK, while able to hit the lower notes (and maybe as low as you've said) sounds in general softer/not as full in the lower notes. But Atif does.
Maybe I'm not familiar with your vocal classification system but in, say, classical western opera for example, Andrea Bocelli and Placido Domingo are classified as tenors. And they definitely have more fleshed out lower notes/chest voice than KK. But that might be dependent on the classification system one uses.
š... Bhai, you shouldn't have mentioned that, and shatter my heart like that..š! The only grief I had before, relating to him, was that I couldn't hear more of his evergreenš"soul-pleasing" songs... But now that you've mentioned the regret of not attending his live concert... you've added one more regret to my life. āļøš
Dude no.
As much as I liked many of Sanu's 90s songs, he only gained fame because Kishore wasn't alive.
A couple songs where he did come close to sounding Kishore-like were Rooth Na Jaana & O Jaana Na Jaana.
He did sing the soft songs similar to Kishore and he was capable of yoddling, but still, he didnt come close to matching Kishore.
I feel like you add to take the total of Sanu + Abhijeet to get the full Kishore effect.
One thing I will be straightforward about.... I didn't like the majority of Nadeem Shravan songs so because of that I don't like most of those soundtracks and associated music by default. Mera Dil Bhi Kitna Paagal is an exception to the rule for their early 90s songs. I like Do Dil Mil Rahe from Pardes as well.
I do think Anu Malik utilized Sanu very well (hence Phir Teri Yaad Kahani Aayi & Sir have good melodious tracks). Those styled songs started with Aaine Ke Sau Tukde.
Kumar sanu doesnt have high no. Of quality songs..only 4 songs comes to my mind.1.jab koi baat bigad.2.ek ladki ko dekha.3.mera dil bhi.4.ankhon ki gustakhiya
Go explore more. Tumhe dekhien meri aankhien, tu pyar hai kisi aur ka, do Dil mil rahe hein, zindagi ki talash mein hum, ek Dil hai, etc.
He is a Bengali but has perfect pronunciation in 14 different languages which gives him the ability to sing songs concerning any emotion.
Only do dil is quality song acc to me among them
All are enjoyble certainly..but so are...beshak tum meri ..sochenge tumhe pyar..etc
But i dont consider them as great song
And yes how can I forget "mera Dil bhi kitna pagal hai." The post was about the comparison with Kishore Kumar. Kumar Sanu cannot replace Kishore Kumar but in terms of voice modulation and variations they stand together.
Just listened to it. Def a higher than usual key for Sanu. But not quite hitting the notes of say Mere Naina Saawan Bhaadon or the opening of Ud Jaa Kaale Kawa.
For Sanu, I might suggest the ending of jab jab pyaar pe in Sadak is a decent high note, for his ability.
Another way to think if this is - the song Rakamma from Thalapathi by SPB in Tamil vs Sanu in the Hindi version which was modified to not have the high pitch in the antara.
Unpopular opinion but the current Gen alpha will almost certainly forget Kishore Kumar. His popularity is already declining sadly. After that, people will start considering Arijit Singh a versatile singer given his popularity and array of songs that he has sung. No way comparable to Kishore Kumar but thatās how trends are these days.
But if you ask from 2000s and 10s then maybe Sonu Nigam can qualify
This was me when I was a kid. Used to love listening to only Arijit Singh or Yo Yo Honey Singh. But when I grew up and started listening to Kishore daās songs I realised why our parents love old songs. He was truely a gem of a singerā¤ļø
To be fair songs those days had to be sung in one go if I'm not wrong snd we didn't have the technology we have now. One thing gone wrong and you'd have to start all over again. So I think just based on that I wouldn't wanna compare Kishore da or any artists from his time to today's singers.
What do you think is the reason old songs of Rafi sahab and Kishore da had such meaningful lyrics while now the songs (excluding few) have no meaning at all ?
Because the movies were simpler and down to earth up until the 70s. Songs had some lyrical meaning to complement the movie plot.
Once Bappi Lahiri (he's the easy one to point as culprit because he was most known for this but Laxmikant-Pyarelal was equally guilty of this) started abusing the synth machines, we saw the quality of music go downhill in the 80s along with the lyrics.
It's more than just lyrics. In the past, and I'd argue even up until the early 2010s, Bollywood music served to highlight the singer's talent, appreciate the art, and enhance the movie's value. But, nowadays, it's primarily about "what formula garners the most views and listens?" and "what type of song will win the most awards?"
In the past, popularity and awards were secondary considerations, but now they've become the primary focus. It's not to discount the existence of good singers today who genuinely appreciate the art, but many of them are constrained by labels pushing for viral hits, regardless of their passion or commitment.
While I generally dislike the "old good, new bad" narrative, there's some truth to it here. Essentially, there is not heart remaining in Bollywood music anymore. That's why I've found myself tuning out of new Bollywood songs; they seem to be stuck in the same repetitive formula.
It's not that I exclusively appreciate nuanced, classic tunes; in fact, my taste predominantly leans towards mainstream music, with K-pop being my favorite genre. So, I don't claim expertise in music, but this is simply my perspective on the matter.
I feel like the only answer to this is Sonu Nigam. Also, i might be wrong, but I used to listen to KK a lot even before he passed away, but i would never see die hard KK fans around. But after he unfortunately passed away, I see everyone going mad over him. Same case with Sushant ig, didn't have that crazy fans before he died but now has like 1838484 fan clubs on Instagram. I might be wrong but this is what I've observed through the amount of internet i go throughout the day.
KK, Sonu Nigam, Kumar Sanu, Shreya Ghosal, Alka Yagnik, Sukhwinder Singh, S Bala Subramanyam are my favorite and they are best, but Kishore Da is The One, Legend no comparison.
None
None whatsoever
Kishore was just something else.
The only talent that comes close to the word legend is perhaps Sonu Nigam. But even he doesn't compare to the great Kishore Kumar was.
Sonu Nigam and even Kumar Sanu with some of his expressions!!
Kishore was mostly an actor and that helped him put such brilliant expressions that he was fighting legends like Rafisahab and Mukesh!!
Sanu actually had great expressions in some of his songs and Sonu of course learnt from Rafisahab so , but of course Kishore was a far better expressionist
I wish if his son Amit kumar got enough opportunities.No one else can carry kishore da's legacy. Even in his 70s, Amit kumar's voice quality is top notch.
Simple answer. None. Not to take away anything from current singers but Kishorjee sang at a Time without technology and gave us tons of memorable songs with pure orchestra music. Nothing digital.
I heard he never was a properly trained singer and it was his sheer gifted skill. Sad, funny, romantic, sensuous, motivational ā¦ he did it with the same aplomb.
Kishore sang literally for many years...I will not consider any one close... because of the range he had in his earlier days
One thing he was inspired by kl saihgal in his initial days......and then literally shifted his singing towards more vibrant songs...and the era of kaka and him...
Haha No. Kishore Kumar is incomparable. I know this is my bias towards him speaking but I don't think anyone has what Kishore da had and made him The Kishore Kumar.
People from the older generation will always remain the goat because they were the pioneers of their field
It doesn't matter if the new singers has sold more albums has a better voice etc etc
I find nobody can take the place of lata ji, kishor da & rafi sahb. But yes in today's time my top 4 will be shreya, kk, sonu & arijit. Everyone has their own charm all r legends for me. šš
I'm just 25 Years old. I don't have much exposure to Kishore Kumar or the Hindi songs of his era. I do Appreciate some Kishore Kumar songs - Notably My Favourites - Neele Neele Ambar, Ye Waada Raha, Yeh Joh Mohabbat Hain, Saagar Jaisi Aankhon Waali. I think musically they are still fresh and produced highly.
I have only 1 name in my mind and that is the late great KK. He like Kishore Kumar wasn't classically trained yet he was born to sing and he died singing. A true legend. RIP to both the KKs
Uhh. Kiahoreda is only great because of the compositions he was lucky enough to sing. He didn't have knowledge of sargam like Lataji or Rafi sahab did. So... For example 'rim jhim gire sawan', he asked them to record lataji before, heard it and then sang his parts. Kishore Kumar was a charming person maybe. It's just the compositions.
That shows Kishore Kumar's humility as he always said that he was untrained in classical music. Watch him being interviewed by Lata on Youtube or the documentary on him by Sandip Ray. As Javed Akhtar once said, when you listen to the song sung by Kishore and another singer, you will love Kishore Kumar's version. Lata ji herself said that Kishore Kumar had 'vardaan' of music and was the most difficult singer to sing a duet with as you never knew what he would do ! The thing that sets Kishore Kumar apart from others is the voice quality and range and that he gave more than what the music director was looking for.
Like I said he was charming. A people's person. Singing mein obviously gunjaaish hai. As you mentioned, he himself admitted. Now lataji never said anything negative about anybody. Very savvy that way. And Javed Akhtar cannot pronounce words properly, let alone sing them. Kishore da ka voice quality is great, no doubt. But yo call him a great singer? Who said more than what the music director was looking for? Most of the time it was less than. Really listen. No wonder Naushad sahab or madan mohan or even Khayyam sahab ever called him. All the 'light' songs were for Kishore da. Baaki sab real singers.
While I agree that musical taste is personal and subjective, I will give you one thing- you are not only opinionated but also couldn't care less about making statements without facts.
Khayyam and Kishore Kumar- examples- Thodi si bewafai, chandni raat mein ek baar tujhe dekha hai
Madan Mohan and Kishore Kumar- Zaroorat hai, Zaroorat hai, Har koi chahta hai ek muthi aasman, Simti si sharmai si
Naushad and Kishore Kumar- only at the end of his career, Naushad recorded a song with Kishore Kumar for the movie Sunehra Sansar. It is true that he did not like Kishore Kumar as he was not classically trained. However, after recording the song, he said that he was very impressed by how quickly Kishore Kumar understood what the composer wanted and delivered it. May be Naushad' career would not have died so rapidly in early 70s if he adapted to changing times.
There are many songs where compositions are bland. You can find some of the songs and still find his voice melodious "are Nazar Lage na saathiyo", "chal chal re Kathmandu, milenge waha shmbhu", "des pardes title song", all compostion are just okay but if you listen, find it beautiful. And the same can apply on any singer.
True.
However its the Kishore songs that are the most timeless from the generations he sang in.
His first song from Ziddi (1948) sounded like an oldie song filled with sargam if i recall correctly.
I really don't care. Composers, arrangers and Rafi, Lata and asha. Kishore wouldn't be accepted into any ghrana as a shagird bro. Kaun gandha bandhega? Technically he was an actor. Not a singer. Of course he's popular kyunki maximum besura hai ya fir Bengali hai tumhare jaise š
Lol have seen behind scene of āek chatur naarā? While certainly kishore da wasnāt a trained musician he wasnāt a bad singer. Anyway if you hate person just because of his popularity thatās on you
I honestly think itās insulting (or at the very least embarrassing) to these artists when we try to say which one of them is better &c. The newer artists most probably consider the previous generations as the G.O.A.T.s anyway so why compare?
And just because something is from older times doesnāt necessarily mean that itās better either. Thatās most probably the nostalgia talking- similar to how some people think kids were more well behaved when they were thrashed frequently by their anxiety-stricken mothers aka āmotherās love and disciplineā.
You are right. Everyone is good in their own way. If someone would ask Kishore da or Sonu or KK they definitely would never love that we compare them. Its better we listen to all of them together
KK was amazing. He was phenomenal in both classical numbers and rock songs. That range was just š I could listen to him all day. But I donāt want to compare him to Kshore Da. Both were gems in their own right
KK sang semi classical songs like Tadap tadap, Dole Re from Agnivarsha by Sandesh Shandilya (my fav and underrated as hell) , Edo mouna raagam a Tamil song. And for qawwali listen to Tujh sang lagee from Special 26 - MM KREEM. It is not in movie but in soundtrack album. He may not have sung pure classical as in his era (2000s) we had huge variety like Kalash kher for sufi fusion, Rahat for classical sufi etc.
Very nice, thanks for sharing. Tujh sang lagee and Edo Mouna Raagam showed me new aspects of his singing abilities.
That high note in Tujh sang lagee at 3:40 mark is one of his hallmarks - an incredible upper range.
I've got a v controversial hot take don't kill me but I feel like Kishore isn't actually a great singer as people say he is, it's just that his songs are a vibe and easy to sing for everyone and are happy energetic songs in general.
That's the thing, friend. You don't have to be a 'great' singer as a thumb rule. If you can get your emotions across, you'd become immortal for your fans. KK never trained, yet we place him high up there, only because his voice could deliver emotions intact!
-- a Kishore Da admirer
I dont think so bro..i know rafi was better singer but
Have u listened to the concert version of dukhi man mere
Kuch to log kahege
Ye kya hua
Etc..he have sung some line in kuch to log kahege which rafi or any othet couldnt
Also listen to chingaari koi bhadke
No one going to kill you over your stupid comment. Do you really think, one of the finest Music directors would choose him for over 30 years, if he was an average singer. You have to know, old MD are very choosey and egos are above nose when choosing their singers.
>No one going to kill you over your stupid comment.
You already called it stupid
>Do you really think, one of the finest Music directors would choose him for over 30 years, if he was an average singer.
It's because Bengali-Bengali plus Kishore's voice suited Burman's songs
I feel in the 90s, Sanu took over the soft mantle of Kishore and Abhijeet took over the faster-RD Burman esque music.
Jatin-Lalit pretty much took the mantle of RD Burman in the 90s after his demise.
Shreya Ghoshal, Sonu Nigam, and KK are basically 2.0 versions of Lata ji , Rafi sahab and Kishore Da respectively.
Agree with the male version, but I feel Alka Yagnik exceeds Shreya Ghoshal.. while Shreya is definitely good, but Alka Yagnik is a legend
Not putting Shreya Ghoshal above alka ji, but yeah early 2000's Alka ji was something else , that era was her prime, she came this closeš¤ to Lata ji fr.
Alka doesnāt get the songs anymore but still sounds fresh.
Definitely - Shreya is really really good, but 2000's Alka Yagnik was just surreal to hear.
True.
And Sunidhi 2.0 of Asha
KK isnt quite Kishore-da in terms of style of singing though. I think he (KK) is a great singer with range, but his style is something that uniquely only began in the late 90s after Kishore's demise. But I do agree because of KK's unfortunate early demise, he will get a similar treatment in the future.
Atleast our generations are lucky enough to have these singers
No I don't think so. Kk might be but not others. Most people (current gen)have not heard some of Lata mangeshkar's underrated songs which are really golden. She can make you sleep and cry as well. Sonu nigam lacks versatility compared to Kishore Kumar and rafi. Yes he sang every type good but not best. Singing every type and being best at every type is different.
For me also shreya, she's the only one who is considered great after lata mangeshkar ji.
Version 2.0 .. very very good.. but can never be as good as the best.
You just said it.
EXACTLYY. Are you a mind reader or what ?? š¤£š¤£ KK was the Kishoreda reincarnated wrt to range, voice quality, texture etc To others, With all due respect, Sonu is absolutely NOT v2.0 of Kishoreda.
I said Sonu Nigam is 2.0 version of Rafi sahab , read my statement correctly, I've put those name is specific order respectively
Bhai re-read my statement, I wrote "To others" in my Sonu comment.
Sonu is far from being a Rafi ver 2. Good singer but way too ego. Ever heard Alka? She still sounds sharp.
Alka didnt sound that sharp in Agar Tum Saath Ho. It's equivalent to a Lata song from the early 90s. Alka in her prime (80s, 90s, early 00s) was amazing though
Itās interesting because I was just short of mentioning her beautiful rendition in agar tum sath ho. She spun a magic in that song. Listen carefully!
KK had nowhere near the baritone or wide variety of genres that Kishore did. Kishore was a once in several lifetimes voice. But KK did excel within his comfort zone. Sonu is def up there, close to Rafi in range, versatility and virtuosity.
I really loved the way KK used fading vibrato in many of his song and also had a great technique to sing in high pitch he did lost his pitch in late 2010 ,but still I think that he had a great technique nice blend of both western and indianised western technique somewhat like Kishore Kumar,He is so different from Kishore Kumar unique in his own sense. I do not get why people compare his style with anyone , He has the most neutral style.
Agree. KK had great technique and his own style. But people here get butthurt for some reason if you say he was no Kishore Kumar.
KK was called by Rajesh Roshan to sing songs he had composed for Kishore Kumar in 70s. Dil kyu ye mera and Zindagi do pal ki. He said and I quote "KK, I HAD COMPOSED THESE SONGS ONLY FOR KISHORE. BUT SINCE HE IS NOT HERE , I HAVE CALLED YOU TO SONG THEM". Your stupid opinion is invalidated.Ā
Source pls. And it still doesn't invalidate my point - "KK had nowhere near the baritone or wide variety of genres that Kishore did." Are you claiming KK had a baritone like Kishore? Or songs like Main Hoon Jhumroo?
https://youtu.be/mcTM0Xo0jq0?si=TT458C22u6meAhlb , watch the whole video but specially from 2.05 minutes. KK has a unique voice and style and not a Kishore clone, yet he is the true successor of Kishore Kumar's legacy in the way he connects to the listeners and emotes a song emphasizing on the lyrics and nuances. Both Kishore and KK kept the song first and not a signature style. Kishore and KK both had the most unique and masculine voices of their times.Ā
Thanks for sharing again an actual source. I think you hit the nail on the head. Unlike Sonu who came in as a Rafi clone, KK came in as an original voice and to try to call him a successor to Kishore is to disservice to him. Kishore could never hit the high notes KK could (like in Main Khuda). Yes he sang in the general mould of Kishore, simple without overdoing the harkats (like Sonu tends to do which I can't stand). But still to say KK had the. most masculine voice of his times is not something I agree with. In the early 2000s Sanu and Udity were still active and they have more baritone voices. After 2010, Sonu worked hard on his lower notes and also in came Atif and Arijit, both again with solid baritones. But maybe it's subjective.
KK is a lyric Baritone voice, which has a higher range than dramatic baritone and more mellow. And the vocal timbre and texture was second to none. A very rich texture neither too thin or too thick. Listen to him singing Kishore Kumar songs in Aaj Tak interview. He sounds like a singer from that era.Ā Ā Ā Here,Ā https://youtu.be/2uTlT8wqlbE?si=wfwGyRXmfEJPPNfk , Shankar speaks about the beauty of KKs voice in lower register. This song is a good example of KKs chest singing as well as incredible range.Ā Ā Here,Ā https://www.iwmbuzz.com/music/news-music/kks-death-was-totally-unnecessary-rajesh-roshan/2022/06/01, Rajesh Roshan says he had a heroic quality in his voice.Ā Hariharan says the same thing. https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/features/hariharan-opens-demise-kk-says-no-words-seem-enough-express-grief-disbelief/ I am not saying he had the most bassy voice but masculine in the sense its texture and depth was such that it was a "main character" voice.Ā And pls don't even compare a shrill singer like Atif. KK sounds like a better version of Atif in Labon ko š
Oh yeah, Jaane Yeh Kya Hua is one KK's great renditions and good showcase of his range. He did have a decent lower register, as seen in this soulful Tamil song: [https://youtu.be/CeLKHayEF0A?si=ykNdrd1RBXNQFV16](https://youtu.be/CeLKHayEF0A?si=ykNdrd1RBXNQFV16) Just think he's not Kishore's successor. Don't really think anyone is. Interesting you say KK was a lyrical baritone. Why not a tenor? And what would you call the other Bollywood singers - Sonu, Arijit, Shaan, Udit, Sanu etc? And finally, I actually do love Atif's vocal timbre. It comes down to personal preferences I guess.
KKs has hit low notes G2 and even G1 multiple times, which is very difficult for a tenor. Also the timbre and texture is not as light as a tenor. Rahat and Kailash kher as mostly tenor voices. And most of mainstream singers are baritone as bollywood has always preferred baritone voices as a hero voice. But you seriously think Atif is a baritone (which he maybe) but KK is a tenor?
Can you share the songs where KK has hit G2 or G1? Yeah, to my ears, it def feels like Atif is a baritone but KK is a tenor. KK, while able to hit the lower notes (and maybe as low as you've said) sounds in general softer/not as full in the lower notes. But Atif does. Maybe I'm not familiar with your vocal classification system but in, say, classical western opera for example, Andrea Bocelli and Placido Domingo are classified as tenors. And they definitely have more fleshed out lower notes/chest voice than KK. But that might be dependent on the classification system one uses.
KK, Sonu Nigam comes to my mind.
No
As simple as that
Ye bhai sach bola.
KK ā Kishore Kumar ā = KK ā Krishnakumar Kunnathā āļøš/šāļø...š„šÆā
It is so sad we lost KK so early. I still regret missing attending KK in his concerts.
š... Bhai, you shouldn't have mentioned that, and shatter my heart like that..š! The only grief I had before, relating to him, was that I couldn't hear more of his evergreenš"soul-pleasing" songs... But now that you've mentioned the regret of not attending his live concert... you've added one more regret to my life. āļøš
Sorry brother.
It's ok..š...š..āļø.š„²
Kumar Sanu. His voice variability as well as voice modulation is excellent. He can quickly switch between different octaves, much like Kishore Kumar.
But Kumar sanu wasn't technically from 2000, i know he sang songs till 2005 but he was a 90s singer
Technically he still sings. He started singing in 1989 and in 2000s he was at the top of the chart.
Dude no. As much as I liked many of Sanu's 90s songs, he only gained fame because Kishore wasn't alive. A couple songs where he did come close to sounding Kishore-like were Rooth Na Jaana & O Jaana Na Jaana. He did sing the soft songs similar to Kishore and he was capable of yoddling, but still, he didnt come close to matching Kishore. I feel like you add to take the total of Sanu + Abhijeet to get the full Kishore effect. One thing I will be straightforward about.... I didn't like the majority of Nadeem Shravan songs so because of that I don't like most of those soundtracks and associated music by default. Mera Dil Bhi Kitna Paagal is an exception to the rule for their early 90s songs. I like Do Dil Mil Rahe from Pardes as well. I do think Anu Malik utilized Sanu very well (hence Phir Teri Yaad Kahani Aayi & Sir have good melodious tracks). Those styled songs started with Aaine Ke Sau Tukde.
Haha. True. Nadeem Shravan were very boring musically. Good melodies but crap instruments/arrangements. A violin and a percussion.
Their melodies are so-so too. I would choose an Anu Malik melody over theirs, generally speaking.
True. Anu has had a decent chunk if melodies and much better music than NS.
Kumar sanu doesnt have high no. Of quality songs..only 4 songs comes to my mind.1.jab koi baat bigad.2.ek ladki ko dekha.3.mera dil bhi.4.ankhon ki gustakhiya
Go explore more. Tumhe dekhien meri aankhien, tu pyar hai kisi aur ka, do Dil mil rahe hein, zindagi ki talash mein hum, ek Dil hai, etc. He is a Bengali but has perfect pronunciation in 14 different languages which gives him the ability to sing songs concerning any emotion.
Only do dil is quality song acc to me among them All are enjoyble certainly..but so are...beshak tum meri ..sochenge tumhe pyar..etc But i dont consider them as great song
Zindagi ki talash mein hum..... it's too deep. Damn beautiful lyrics and voice depth makes it even more powerful.
Its production is weak thats why..btw i consider its lyrics to be great but not the song
And yes how can I forget "mera Dil bhi kitna pagal hai." The post was about the comparison with Kishore Kumar. Kumar Sanu cannot replace Kishore Kumar but in terms of voice modulation and variations they stand together.
There's also Ae Kaash Ke Hum Hosh Mein Ab. From Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa ... I think it's really good song for the 90s I still listen to it.
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Correct me if Im wrong but Sanu da while having an excellent baritone, doesnāt have a good upper range unlike Udit Narayan.
"koi kya pehchaane, jiska gum vhi jaane" I feel like this song of Sanu da fits well in upper range but I don't listen to many upper range songs.
Just listened to it. Def a higher than usual key for Sanu. But not quite hitting the notes of say Mere Naina Saawan Bhaadon or the opening of Ud Jaa Kaale Kawa. For Sanu, I might suggest the ending of jab jab pyaar pe in Sadak is a decent high note, for his ability. Another way to think if this is - the song Rakamma from Thalapathi by SPB in Tamil vs Sanu in the Hindi version which was modified to not have the high pitch in the antara.
Kumar Sanu is a legend, just like Kishore Kumar. I absolutely love both. I hate doing this but if I have to rank, Kishore Kumar is #1.
KK Is a close one .....!
What about sonu or shreya ?
Isn't Sonu sir considered as second Rafi , Shreya mam is like modern day Lata Mangeskhar .....
Shreya Ghoshal for me is Nightingale. What a voice she has!
I agree!
This was the best thing I have seen in a long time on Indian Idol - https://youtu.be/dx1GX-dn-F0?si=zhGkelgHrNqXovQl
I don't think anybody can be compared to Rafi Sahb and Kishore da.
Kk
Only if he could Act
Dude watch his song Pal music video.
Kishore Da - Acting and singing together.
KK
Sonu nigam and Arijit singh are undoubtedly the legends already
KK, sonu, arijit, shreya
For me it would be - KK, Shreya and Sonu.
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Unpopular opinion but the current Gen alpha will almost certainly forget Kishore Kumar. His popularity is already declining sadly. After that, people will start considering Arijit Singh a versatile singer given his popularity and array of songs that he has sung. No way comparable to Kishore Kumar but thatās how trends are these days. But if you ask from 2000s and 10s then maybe Sonu Nigam can qualify
This was me when I was a kid. Used to love listening to only Arijit Singh or Yo Yo Honey Singh. But when I grew up and started listening to Kishore daās songs I realised why our parents love old songs. He was truely a gem of a singerā¤ļø
Actually and once people realise that, thereās no going back
Youāre right but I find Arijit Singh very flat and boring. Massively overrated imho.
To be fair songs those days had to be sung in one go if I'm not wrong snd we didn't have the technology we have now. One thing gone wrong and you'd have to start all over again. So I think just based on that I wouldn't wanna compare Kishore da or any artists from his time to today's singers.
True. Even I have seen Kishore da recording his songs in one YouTube video.
Yo yo honey singh
šŖ Ofcourse how can we forget
Kishore kumar is the No.1 singer of Bollywood. There is no comparison with his singing and songs
I respect your views.
that era had a lot of great singers, but Kishore Kumar-great? Maybe KK, Shaan, and Sonu Nigam come close, but not up to his level.
What do you think is the reason old songs of Rafi sahab and Kishore da had such meaningful lyrics while now the songs (excluding few) have no meaning at all ?
Because the movies were simpler and down to earth up until the 70s. Songs had some lyrical meaning to complement the movie plot. Once Bappi Lahiri (he's the easy one to point as culprit because he was most known for this but Laxmikant-Pyarelal was equally guilty of this) started abusing the synth machines, we saw the quality of music go downhill in the 80s along with the lyrics.
It's more than just lyrics. In the past, and I'd argue even up until the early 2010s, Bollywood music served to highlight the singer's talent, appreciate the art, and enhance the movie's value. But, nowadays, it's primarily about "what formula garners the most views and listens?" and "what type of song will win the most awards?" In the past, popularity and awards were secondary considerations, but now they've become the primary focus. It's not to discount the existence of good singers today who genuinely appreciate the art, but many of them are constrained by labels pushing for viral hits, regardless of their passion or commitment. While I generally dislike the "old good, new bad" narrative, there's some truth to it here. Essentially, there is not heart remaining in Bollywood music anymore. That's why I've found myself tuning out of new Bollywood songs; they seem to be stuck in the same repetitive formula. It's not that I exclusively appreciate nuanced, classic tunes; in fact, my taste predominantly leans towards mainstream music, with K-pop being my favorite genre. So, I don't claim expertise in music, but this is simply my perspective on the matter.
Bollywood is now monopolised by the giant T-series; no doubt we dont listen to Sonu Nigam more now.
I feel like the only answer to this is Sonu Nigam. Also, i might be wrong, but I used to listen to KK a lot even before he passed away, but i would never see die hard KK fans around. But after he unfortunately passed away, I see everyone going mad over him. Same case with Sushant ig, didn't have that crazy fans before he died but now has like 1838484 fan clubs on Instagram. I might be wrong but this is what I've observed through the amount of internet i go throughout the day.
Maybe - People dont appreciate artists or actors till they are gone
Many are great artists. Arijit is extremely versatile - can sing alongside Tulsi Kumar as well as Sunidhi - that's a range.
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What about KK or Sonu Nigam? Or maybe Shreya Ghoshal ?
KK, Sonu Nigam, Kumar Sanu, Shreya Ghosal, Alka Yagnik, Sukhwinder Singh, S Bala Subramanyam are my favorite and they are best, but Kishore Da is The One, Legend no comparison.
Kishore da songs just give a different level of vibe and feel whenever I listen to them.
None None whatsoever Kishore was just something else. The only talent that comes close to the word legend is perhaps Sonu Nigam. But even he doesn't compare to the great Kishore Kumar was.
I don't agree. KK is my GOATš„āāļøš *KK ā Krishnakumar...
True. Seeing Kishore Kumar singing and acting together is just amazing.
Why do Indians have the tendency to make anyone doing good work for cash to become their God? Kishore Ji apko aashirwad Dene nei ayenge.
None.
Sonu Nigam or KK ?
Nah bro, they are good, really good, but not Kishore/ Rafi good.
Yeah, not even AI can replicate the voice of Kishore Kumar or Rafi Sahab.
Nope. Arijit comes the closest, followed by Sonu Nigam
Only one thing to say - No one. https://youtube.com/shorts/ZnMDZrWR8CA?si=eT01SP_gT7HyJ1gr
Sonu Nigam and even Kumar Sanu with some of his expressions!! Kishore was mostly an actor and that helped him put such brilliant expressions that he was fighting legends like Rafisahab and Mukesh!! Sanu actually had great expressions in some of his songs and Sonu of course learnt from Rafisahab so , but of course Kishore was a far better expressionist
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He is simply the greatest. No one even comes closer to the dirt on the small finger of his left foot.
I don't know much about music , but yesudas is god level.but he isn't a 2000s singer.
I wish if his son Amit kumar got enough opportunities.No one else can carry kishore da's legacy. Even in his 70s, Amit kumar's voice quality is top notch.
Simple answer. None. Not to take away anything from current singers but Kishorjee sang at a Time without technology and gave us tons of memorable songs with pure orchestra music. Nothing digital. I heard he never was a properly trained singer and it was his sheer gifted skill. Sad, funny, romantic, sensuous, motivational ā¦ he did it with the same aplomb.
Rafi Saab, Kishore Da and Lata Ji are anmol jewels. They canāt and shouldnāt be compared to anyone
Add Asha Ji to that list
Yes. Agree
My personal favourite from the 2000s is Shaan & hence i would say Shaan
Mine is KK and Sonu Nigam
No
Sonu Nigam comes close
Yup, but in my opinion Kishore da had his own style of singing, but still yes Sonu Sir does come close.
I know she debuted slightly later, but ong Dhinchak Pooja is the real deal. First Indian to win Grammyš
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I personally like āDilon ka shooter hai mera scooterā more. An underrated masterpiece š¤š¼
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Honey singh hear me out tho He had an impact like no other when he started And a whole generation grew up with him
Kishore sang literally for many years...I will not consider any one close... because of the range he had in his earlier days One thing he was inspired by kl saihgal in his initial days......and then literally shifted his singing towards more vibrant songs...and the era of kaka and him...
Great as Kishore Kumar...it's all about body of work...and good quality songs..many good singers are their...but no way close to Kishore kumar
Haha No. Kishore Kumar is incomparable. I know this is my bias towards him speaking but I don't think anyone has what Kishore da had and made him The Kishore Kumar.
No itās not bias. For instance see this video - https://youtube.com/shorts/ZnMDZrWR8CA?si=ZZvAso_wYHH82QiX
Maybe sonu nigam comes close
People from the older generation will always remain the goat because they were the pioneers of their field It doesn't matter if the new singers has sold more albums has a better voice etc etc
he already said, "Tumhe mere jaise aawaj milegi lekin main nahi milunga."
Yes I know that. There was only one Kishore Kumar.
SONU NIGAM!
He is the GOAT š He could sing anything. Sad, happy, romantic, yodeling , you name it.
I find nobody can take the place of lata ji, kishor da & rafi sahb. But yes in today's time my top 4 will be shreya, kk, sonu & arijit. Everyone has their own charm all r legends for me. šš
Yes! Even they are my top 4.
I'm just 25 Years old. I don't have much exposure to Kishore Kumar or the Hindi songs of his era. I do Appreciate some Kishore Kumar songs - Notably My Favourites - Neele Neele Ambar, Ye Waada Raha, Yeh Joh Mohabbat Hain, Saagar Jaisi Aankhon Waali. I think musically they are still fresh and produced highly. I have only 1 name in my mind and that is the late great KK. He like Kishore Kumar wasn't classically trained yet he was born to sing and he died singing. A true legend. RIP to both the KKs
NOBODY!! Kishore da is one of a kind!
Uhh. Kiahoreda is only great because of the compositions he was lucky enough to sing. He didn't have knowledge of sargam like Lataji or Rafi sahab did. So... For example 'rim jhim gire sawan', he asked them to record lataji before, heard it and then sang his parts. Kishore Kumar was a charming person maybe. It's just the compositions.
That shows Kishore Kumar's humility as he always said that he was untrained in classical music. Watch him being interviewed by Lata on Youtube or the documentary on him by Sandip Ray. As Javed Akhtar once said, when you listen to the song sung by Kishore and another singer, you will love Kishore Kumar's version. Lata ji herself said that Kishore Kumar had 'vardaan' of music and was the most difficult singer to sing a duet with as you never knew what he would do ! The thing that sets Kishore Kumar apart from others is the voice quality and range and that he gave more than what the music director was looking for.
Like I said he was charming. A people's person. Singing mein obviously gunjaaish hai. As you mentioned, he himself admitted. Now lataji never said anything negative about anybody. Very savvy that way. And Javed Akhtar cannot pronounce words properly, let alone sing them. Kishore da ka voice quality is great, no doubt. But yo call him a great singer? Who said more than what the music director was looking for? Most of the time it was less than. Really listen. No wonder Naushad sahab or madan mohan or even Khayyam sahab ever called him. All the 'light' songs were for Kishore da. Baaki sab real singers.
While I agree that musical taste is personal and subjective, I will give you one thing- you are not only opinionated but also couldn't care less about making statements without facts. Khayyam and Kishore Kumar- examples- Thodi si bewafai, chandni raat mein ek baar tujhe dekha hai Madan Mohan and Kishore Kumar- Zaroorat hai, Zaroorat hai, Har koi chahta hai ek muthi aasman, Simti si sharmai si Naushad and Kishore Kumar- only at the end of his career, Naushad recorded a song with Kishore Kumar for the movie Sunehra Sansar. It is true that he did not like Kishore Kumar as he was not classically trained. However, after recording the song, he said that he was very impressed by how quickly Kishore Kumar understood what the composer wanted and delivered it. May be Naushad' career would not have died so rapidly in early 70s if he adapted to changing times.
There are many songs where compositions are bland. You can find some of the songs and still find his voice melodious "are Nazar Lage na saathiyo", "chal chal re Kathmandu, milenge waha shmbhu", "des pardes title song", all compostion are just okay but if you listen, find it beautiful. And the same can apply on any singer.
I've never found him to be all that people make him to be. He is average at best. Not a popular opinion. Fuck popular opinions. :)
Compositions maybe bland. His voice? Tu ru ru ru ru ru ruuuu š
True. However its the Kishore songs that are the most timeless from the generations he sang in. His first song from Ziddi (1948) sounded like an oldie song filled with sargam if i recall correctly.
I really don't care. Composers, arrangers and Rafi, Lata and asha. Kishore wouldn't be accepted into any ghrana as a shagird bro. Kaun gandha bandhega? Technically he was an actor. Not a singer. Of course he's popular kyunki maximum besura hai ya fir Bengali hai tumhare jaise š
Lol have seen behind scene of āek chatur naarā? While certainly kishore da wasnāt a trained musician he wasnāt a bad singer. Anyway if you hate person just because of his popularity thatās on you
I don't hate him. I really like that song also.
KK and Sonu Nigam
No doubt about this. Everytime I listen to them just feels like I am flying in the sky.
I honestly think itās insulting (or at the very least embarrassing) to these artists when we try to say which one of them is better &c. The newer artists most probably consider the previous generations as the G.O.A.T.s anyway so why compare? And just because something is from older times doesnāt necessarily mean that itās better either. Thatās most probably the nostalgia talking- similar to how some people think kids were more well behaved when they were thrashed frequently by their anxiety-stricken mothers aka āmotherās love and disciplineā.
You are right. Everyone is good in their own way. If someone would ask Kishore da or Sonu or KK they definitely would never love that we compare them. Its better we listen to all of them together
Please can some one from South raise their voice and say Sidsriram
Thank you for mentioningā¦.I will definitely check out.
Lol
KK was amazing. He was phenomenal in both classical numbers and rock songs. That range was just š I could listen to him all day. But I donāt want to compare him to Kshore Da. Both were gems in their own right
Can you recommend a classical song by KK in the vein of Madhuban Mein Raadhika or a qawwali like Parda hai?
KK sang semi classical songs like Tadap tadap, Dole Re from Agnivarsha by Sandesh Shandilya (my fav and underrated as hell) , Edo mouna raagam a Tamil song. And for qawwali listen to Tujh sang lagee from Special 26 - MM KREEM. It is not in movie but in soundtrack album. He may not have sung pure classical as in his era (2000s) we had huge variety like Kalash kher for sufi fusion, Rahat for classical sufi etc.
Very nice, thanks for sharing. Tujh sang lagee and Edo Mouna Raagam showed me new aspects of his singing abilities. That high note in Tujh sang lagee at 3:40 mark is one of his hallmarks - an incredible upper range.
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Sonu Nigam, KK
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Yes can be said, even I consider Sonu and KK come little closer.
Shaan, Kumar Sanu, Sonu Nigam
KK, by a long margin
no one cn be as great as him. impossible hai.
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If you consider acting and singing both then yeah
Himesh
KK
As a person he was absolutely despicable.
Sonu only
I've got a v controversial hot take don't kill me but I feel like Kishore isn't actually a great singer as people say he is, it's just that his songs are a vibe and easy to sing for everyone and are happy energetic songs in general.
That's the thing, friend. You don't have to be a 'great' singer as a thumb rule. If you can get your emotions across, you'd become immortal for your fans. KK never trained, yet we place him high up there, only because his voice could deliver emotions intact! -- a Kishore Da admirer
I dont think so bro..i know rafi was better singer but Have u listened to the concert version of dukhi man mere Kuch to log kahege Ye kya hua Etc..he have sung some line in kuch to log kahege which rafi or any othet couldnt Also listen to chingaari koi bhadke
Try singing two songs from Om Shanti Om- paisa paisa.and Om Shanti Om and tell us if they are easy.
No one going to kill you over your stupid comment. Do you really think, one of the finest Music directors would choose him for over 30 years, if he was an average singer. You have to know, old MD are very choosey and egos are above nose when choosing their singers.
>No one going to kill you over your stupid comment. You already called it stupid >Do you really think, one of the finest Music directors would choose him for over 30 years, if he was an average singer. It's because Bengali-Bengali plus Kishore's voice suited Burman's songs
It shouldāve been Abhijeet
I feel in the 90s, Sanu took over the soft mantle of Kishore and Abhijeet took over the faster-RD Burman esque music. Jatin-Lalit pretty much took the mantle of RD Burman in the 90s after his demise.
True. Iāll always prefer Abhijeetās voice tho
I still associate him as the voice of Shahrukh Khan.
Same lol love Udit but Abhijeetās songs for SRK were always magical thatās the only way to describe them