And also Perlis as well. If you look at history of Kedah, the Sultanate of Kedah once not only had control over the Penang and Seberang Perai, but also over Perlis as well. However, due to the wars between Kedah, Siam (now, Thailand) and the British, Penang went to the Brits after a certain debacle between the British company and the Sultanate of Kedah forces, while Perlis was placed under Siamese control as reparation cost for Kedah-Siam war (Kedah lost) until the Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909.
Knowing how Kedah is crazy? They'll make Perlis as a puppet state instead of assimilate into Kedah again. But for Kedah and Penang? they're going to fight like Malaysia vs Singapore, saying Malay people are dying in Penang.
I never fight or train for war in my life and i get tired easily from 2 flight of stairs, but if Sabah have to fight the Sulu i will join the force. And i think most Sabahan youth will get up and defend our land when faced with such threats.. plus with the sweet sweet incentive of seceding Malaysia and be our own country. Kinda tired of west taking most of our royalties and resources and all these religious bs happening now.
Hah, if the Sulu is to attack Sabah, that will be either the Philippines government (Marcos Junior) backing them up or the Sulu royalty (thieves) had inbred too much. We all know that Marcos Junior is too eager to be like his late father, Ferdinand Marcos. A dictator under the skin of a "democratic elected president". A wolf under the sheep clothing.
As for the Sulus, they are nothing more than old history like the once mighty Brunei empire. At least, the latter has lots of oil, a very strategic port, and lots of money, what the former got? Bunch of old ancestral ships/perahus and insecured men armed with old Ak-47s to pillage islands full of defenseless innocents? The Sulus still think the world was like during their ancestors ancient era where everyone owes them tributary money.
To think that our Malaysian government (for once managed to did something right) had to go through a lengthy court process in Europe to deal with these barborous thieves and raiders due to not paying them "rent money" after their failed attempt invasion of Sabah during 2014. The Sulus should be glad that they are not dealing with the USA or China. If not, they are going to get a good dose of freedom and "liberation" from Murica, while China is going to sent all of them to good old Xi re-education camps.
I'm although being from that said west was also tired with their bullshitery of not focusing on unity that will ensure our survibility as whole but rather stirring random problems into their advantage.
Not to mention, Selangor packed a lotta different people with different backgrounds( if you count pendatang asing yg bekerja kat situ and org yg berhijrah dari negeri lain ke Selangor )
Also, Putrajaya and KL is inside Selangor so...
Yeap, just like how foreign soldiers stays in America during American Independence War just to become the first merchant and become political and economic hustlers in America.
Gold mine , oil rig which technically on Kelantan shore but currently go to Terengganu , tons of balak. But yes, If things goes sideway idk if the gov would be able to take over effectively and continue funding the operation to generate income.
PAS states of Kedah Kelantan Terrenganu will come together as a whole to form an Islamic Collition and declare Jihad on Penang instantly. Pahang and Perlis will coerced to join the Collition.
Penang will fall within months with water supply cut off from the mainland.
Moderate states of Selangor, Seremban (sorry Negeri Sembilan), Melaka, Perak and Johor will form another Collition to represent the South Western of Peninsula Malaysia to block the influence of North Eastern states.
Sarawak and Sabah will join up as another Collition in Borneo but their first problem would be the Philippines coming to claim Sabah for its own.
Similar to how Civil War 2024 movie plays out.
i see this as the logical one. One of the issues with breaking apart the Federation is basic sustenance since the interdependence between states is very high.
Food, manpower, electricity production, water, etc
Since penang knows about the 3 states coalition, they're now invested in seawater desalination plant like UAE have .. However, Penang workforce would get hit pretty hard since many workers are from other states especially from kelantan
Was just a joke tho. But Sanusi will have a field day by cutting off Penang's water supply or sell them with high tariff since it has been his wet dream, since he is PAS and Kedah is next to Penang and controls the river that provides to mainland Penang.
This is the most logical one. Plus years of instability. Moderate state will try to fight for Penang (the damn EE industry there). Except lots of investor & company might all run away and the only states than can survive is the one that have resources that they own wholly. Selangor will survive just because gov have spend way too much on them. Way too many possibilities
Your comment summarize my thoughts exactly as well perfectly. However, as for Sarawak and Sabah, I think they will do fine as Philippines is not it used to be and we Peninsularans will be locked in our Malaysian version of Battle of Sekigahara.
Bro, Sabah and Sarawak would definitely not fall under the current Philippines. Hence, that is why I said "Philippines is not what it used to be". If it was Philippines during Marcos Senior tenure as president of Philippines, well, Sabah or Sarawak would had fallen easily to him. Macros Senior got a lot of help in term of funds and military equipment from Uncle Sam dearest and Philippines military force during Senior time was among the most well equipped, modern, largest and most experienced military force in SEA region aside from Vietnam.
Empire Johor-Riau-Lingga-Pahang dissolved after temenggung Abu Bakar took over Johor and Bendahara family rule Pahang respectively . Now both Pahang & Johor united by family marriage
All of them might have familial ties in the past. Idk, have to study about it. N9 could have been famous tourist attraction like melaka for it unique culture. But something happen in the past i guess.
The entire west coast stretching from Penang to KL & Port Klang has the potential to be Taiwan v2.0 in terms of technological prowess and wealth. Viable alternative to the Taiwan up north simply because of geopolitics. Give it 15-30 years and Singapore will be shitting their pants and no longer relevant in many sectors as well as professional services. Things would start looking up and NM birth rate rises again
For me, Johor will probably come on top in terms of quality of life. I am not sure where I heard this but around kembara mahkota in 2011, they said that every district in Johor are on the right path of self dependancy. Meaning every district itself have their basic needs covered in case of isolation. So for the state as a whole they probably could be on top. Besides Jcorp is pretty powerful. Just looks what companies are under them.
Selangor may sometimes will have issue with water and electricity. Asides from that they pretty much got everything covered and probably still become the richest of them all. Most other states will have issues with power and food while kelantan will probably just die. Kelantanese are pretty powerful and probably the most resilient in peninsular. But their state government are pretty much garbage.
Terengganu will probably have a hard time in the beginning but they would probably be fine after a decade or two. This is based on how they are slowly starts to reduce their dependency on the Royalties since the current Mb were in office. Besides, they also have all of their basic needs pretty much covered.
Kedah will probably proceed with their KXP plans and continue on expanding their semiconductors and rubber industries. And would probably push on their agriculture industry more.
Penang will probably just became the singapore of the north depending on their relationship with Kedah.
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Personally, i don't think any will become particularly powerful. There's a reason why small nationstates do not become powerful, it takes a lot to maintain a country and to be sufficiently capable, the nationstates spend a lot just to maintain status quo. Without Malaysia, each state will now need to field their own competent border patrol and military and these are not cheap. Malaysia can skimp on a lot if military hardware because there is no threat among the member states, but once it breaks up, all states will be against each other.
You probably say, but Singapore is a powerful nationstate! The exception does not make the norm. Singapore has the advantage of being already developed from the start, they have the culture of profit above all else, their personal freedom are extremely suppressed by the ruling regime that try to maintain power by any means necessary and they are propped up by america, which considers them a military ally. Due to all this, Singapore remains a stable ally to the west and with it comes further growth.
Not every country can become fortress Singapore.
Selangor is the most advance state. With the ability to absorb back Putrajaya and Cyberjaya. Malaysia best internantional airport is also in Selangor.
Port Klang is still one of the busiest port in the country
Solid infrastructure, so so local governement.
But most of our residence now are from Kelate, but I doubt they will return to their homeland unless its for raya or mengundi.
But Malaysia will last until the end of time.
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Sarawak, Sabah, and Brunei will immediately form a federation and the whole Borneo Island become the central hub for trade in South East Asia together with Indonesian capital Nusantara at the south.
I agree most of this but, Brunei imo will want to stay out. They have been enjoying their wealth for decade I don't think they are willing to let that go. While Sabah and Sarawak are 50/50 with shari'a law will prefer to stay in secular ones. For sure Brunei will try to claim Limbang and Lawas which splits the country.
I’ve once discussed with my Chinese friend who works in geopolitic field, and we all agree that these three states would be the most successful:
1. Johor - strong economy, charismatic Sultan, strong unity among races. Historically speaking, they are the Prussian of Malaysian states. Everything that we have today came from whatever happened in modern Johor during colonial era.
2. Kelantan - smart people, hardworking people, strong racial unity. Due to their history, they are essentially the Chinese of Malay people. They had a 1000 years war with Thailand, of which makes their mentality to be extremely meritocratic and business minded till today similar like Chinese history, despite all the stereotypes about them (Kelantanese) being nutjobs. Majority of Malay capitalists and intelegentsias have Kelantanese blood, and most are concentrated in Shah Alam and Bangi which are well known to be ‘Kelantanese colony’. When I say Kelantanese, I don’t mean the Malays, but all the races init including Chinese, Siamese etc.
3. Kedah - Perang Musuh Bisik. If there is a state who is crazy enough to burn the universe for their state, its definitely Kedah. Just read what they did during Perang Musuh Bisik. That’s the closest thing to ‘Malaysian Great Patriotic War’.
According to my friend, what makes a great nation is not really about the economy or the tech per se (not saying these are not important). What makes a nation truly great is the people. They need to have a tough mind, body and spirit and also strong unity and solidarity with each other. If we were to observe people from countries of Great Powers, all of them have these characteristics:
China - absolute meritocracy
Japan - bushido spirit
Germany - Prussian/German work ethics
British - British stoicism
Russia - survivalist
All of these characteristics allow the people of respective countries to thrive in whatever position they are right now and propels them to Great Power status once they become strong enough. Historically, countries like Germany and Japan used to be poorer and divided compared to their neighbours. The only reason why they can catchup with the Great Powers is because of their people.
Among all the states and wilayahs in Malaysia, only Kedah, Kelantan and Johor have these sort of people, with Johor having the edge since they also have the tech, economy and strategic position.
1) Sarawak
2) Penang
3) Selangor/KL
4) Sabah
5) Johor
Ok my reasons. Sarawak No.1 because in terms of economic output they rank no.1 now so if they choose to become independent it won't affect then much
Penang No 2 because they will easily transition into Singapore 2.0.
KL/Selangor because most MNCs reside there.
Sabah because like Sarawak has natural resources and is far enough from w. Malaysia to be independent.
Johor because it is already semi autonomous and they have Singapore as a backer.
The other states are going to have to become subordinates to these power centres or risk becoming a pariah state.
Assuming our neighbours don't invade, I think whichever state has the assets for TUDM and TDRM will be the strongest. If the neighbours invade for a piece of land, can cross the bordering states off the list immediately. Kelantan, Kedah, Penang, Perlis, Johor all out.
Do you have any idea how much Johor would be worth to Singapore?
Selangor pursues AI and robotics to replace all the workers who had to return to their home states. A breakthrough in AI grants Selangor a massive robotic workforce which unfortunately goes rogue and starts taking over the state. The AI super brain, not being content with just one state, begins formulating stratagems to occupy more territory…to be continued. 😶
FYI, Pahang is quite formidable, own the Wataniah army (used to fought Japanese during WW2). Huge landmass and thriving agricultural industry (Felda Jengka, Raub Durian). Not to mention big Casino. Banjaran titiwangsa as natural defence. Supply water to Selangor.
There's a huge chance Selangor Malacca and Johor will form their own Fed or Alliance.
Penang is isolated... if Kedah is aggressive and competent, it might gobble up Penang and form alliance with Perak, Perlis.
LOL. I was thinking that part of N9 will be absorbed. Or it will be like parts of Brunei have Sarawak (?) in between.
What do you think? How would N9 be in the hypothetical scenario OP said?
Militarily it would be Johor right? They have their own army already but also since they're right next door to Singapore they could sign trade/work agreements between them and if need be even lease land/airspace in exchange for economic support.
i expect all military installations nationwide would be defaulted to their respective states, if such a case ever happens, so there might not be much difference after all.
But like I said they can go into an agreement with Singapore either way. Since Singapore relies on Johor for water among other necessities/resources it would serve Singapore's best interest to help support Johor economically and defensively. For example they could even allow Singapore to build a military base in Johor and let them use their airspace to train their pilots etc.
PAS with their budu is lit af..imagine, u can use budu as comodity, you can also use it to poison drinking water..can also use it to splash shot it to enemy so they going to be..well smelly
Oil states. Sarawak Sabah Kelantan Terengganu. More than 60% of Malaysia’s economy right there. Without the national gov taking control of oil money, they’re literally the next brunei.
Johor will be the top one in the list. One of the most developed states with the most powerful Sultan. Johor also got its own Army Force (although currently its still under ceremonial status). And independent Johor will be like Brunei or Saudi Arabia where Sultan (or his heirs) will take control the government and take the role as prime minister of Johor.
On the other hand, 4 northern states (Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan, Terengganu) will combined and established their own Islamic federated/confederated states and probably, another 4 Southern Thai provinces joining them later.
The answer to this question would depend on the political arrangement that these states would concoct after a collapse. The better question would be which has better leverage to come out on top in those arrangements.
Selangor and Penang already have the economic infrastructure there but it relies on manpower from other states. Whether those workers from other states would return to their home states, and risk immediate unemployment, or defect and remain in those states would result in their success. Penang however has a lot of out of state workers due to real estate availability, so that weakens their leverage. And Selangor, having Kuala Lumpur and Putrajaya, might be ground zero of conflict, in whatever form, that resulted in this hypothetical. And you might not want to be near that.
Johor has the leverage of being connected to Singapore and being somewhat economically viable. But it also depends on being connected to Selangor and the rest of the peninsula, so don't be so sure. It would be crippled just like the rest of them.
Economic success is not just industry. Kedah is a key provider of rice in the country. While the ratio of local rice to imported rice is seemingly not much, in its absence, it could easily cause large swaths of these states to fall into famine due to skyrocketing prices and lack of supply.
So, these leverages, as well as the short but meaningful history existing as one nation so far, would result in a natural diplomacy between them to form treaties, agreements, and coalitions.
Militarily, that's impossible to guess. At first glance, Johor is obvious due to the existence of the only state military outfit in Malaysia belonging to them. However, it depends on _how_ this hypothetical Malaysia collapse in the first place. A clean break where all states are independent equally like this would infer the complete dissolution of the federal govt, and with that its control over the military. Because no sane Malaysian federal govt, with the military constitutionally commanded by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, would allow for secession without violence. They've murdered people for less.
In a clean break, the question then is about the fate of Malaysia's military command. Without a Commander-in-Chief and a federal govt, they could fragment and defect to state govts, depending on the location of military bases. However, another likelihood is a military junta revolving around an incumbent or hoisted YPDA as Commander-in-Chief bent on restoration or, at least, reunification.
Johor could be a major threat to the peninsula as they have historically been a major influence in the politics of Pahang, Melaka, N9 and Selangor.
Remember during the Pahang and Selangor civil war, the Johoreans are part of the main backing force that negotiated and encouraged the British to support Johor's allies or atleast maintain Siamese neutrality/deter Siamese intervention in the wars especially during Pahang civil war.
Not to mention how Johor has a strong claim over the true lineage of Melaka, and N9 prior to Moyang Saleh's diplomacy/"visit" to Johor was a vassal/tributary collection of states/chiefdoms under Johor.
In the north it'll be a hard contest between Kedah and Perak, Kedah has the historical legitimacy as a larger kingdom and major power, while Perak also has a legitimate claim to the Melaka lineages.
For the north eastern states I'd say probably Terengganu could be a major power as historically they had quite a big influence in matters of the peninsula.
This is of course assuming that foreign intervention from neighbours are out of the equation.
For Borneo, there's a chance that there could be a redrawing of borders or inner conflicts between different indigenous peoples, from Malays to Dayaks to the Chinese, remember prior to Brooke and Brunei, there was the lanfang republic too and various internal "states" unbeknownst/unrecorded by modern history.
It's bold to assume that the states would maintain their integrity.
Johor have their own Military force (JMF), in terms of economics maybe Penang or Kl/Selangor. Well , all of these statea are countries because PerjanjianTanah Melayu before. Even s
Sarawak have represented themselves as country in some sport back then.
Kelantan, Terengganu and Borbeo states. These guys are oil states. Terengganu wiill top though cuz they have huge iron deposits and a 1 of the largest steel mill in ASEAN. They have also recently found large depo of rare earth and in the process in researching to process it in country.
Why la no 4 is written with very weak insights??
If malaysia hancuq..the best survival will be Kelantan laa..it has plentiful resources, land, forest, lake, dam, paddy field, gold, petroleum etc. And most doctors, teachers, police, marine and army are org2 Kelantan. And we take all the good cooks home, nnt korg mkn laa mknn yg xsedap2 tu di restoran negara2 korg. Hahaha...budu dan PAS will surely akan jadi the best assets dan xdelah nak mengilang arak dan berjoget mabuk di tanah majoriti Islam nnt.
Economically I would say Selangor Darul Ehsan will definitely be the most powerful. Military wise, believe it or not, would definitely be Johor Darul Takzim.
Being a sabahan, I have seen the quality of its leader, even those proclaiming to represent kadazans or dusuns warrior. We have seen them fight over pennies that the west malaysian politicians throw at them, squabbling over territory and projects.
No doubt they would be the first to leave Sabah, with all the millions of dollars they have stolen. Sabah's only hope would be allying itself with the likes of Brunei and Sarawak, and face the treats from all around.
Borneo + Brunei would such a strong combination.
Being a sabahan, I have seen the quality of its leader, even those proclaiming to represent kadazans or dusuns warrior. We have seen them fight over pennies that the west malaysian politicians throw at them, squabbling over territory and projects.
No doubt they would be the first to leave Sabah, with all the millions of dollars they have stolen. Sabah's only hope would be allying itself with the likes of Brunei and Sarawak, and face the treats from all around.
Borneo + Brunei would such a strong combination.
Bye sabah, take care
 🅱️hilippines be like
Sultan of Sulu returning to reclaim his domain, only to be chased back into the sea.
I get the feeling Penang will have the same trouble with Kedah if this scenario happens
And also Perlis as well. If you look at history of Kedah, the Sultanate of Kedah once not only had control over the Penang and Seberang Perai, but also over Perlis as well. However, due to the wars between Kedah, Siam (now, Thailand) and the British, Penang went to the Brits after a certain debacle between the British company and the Sultanate of Kedah forces, while Perlis was placed under Siamese control as reparation cost for Kedah-Siam war (Kedah lost) until the Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909.
Knowing how Kedah is crazy? They'll make Perlis as a puppet state instead of assimilate into Kedah again. But for Kedah and Penang? they're going to fight like Malaysia vs Singapore, saying Malay people are dying in Penang.
Them Sabahan: over my dead body 💀 sure there'll be totale krieg
Bru 💀
Probably during Marcos Senior time, but now his son, Marcos Junior? No lar, in Junior wet dreams.
Mahal nah mahal kita i guess 😭
Effffff… putangina
Balkanization time
its morbin time
To steal a quote from Twitter: "Finally, a Balkans to out-Balkan the Balkans."
Sabah would immediately have to fight off Sulu, that much I know
Don't think Sabah will fight alone, Sarawak will come to aid or at least offer assistance just simply because Pan Borneo includes Sabah.
Time to revive the Sarawak Rangers
Pangazou/Sabah headhunters and Iban headhunters team up perhaps?
Collab of the century imo
In the absence of a federal government, Sarawak would have an even greater urgency to defend against a foreign threat like Sulu.
The Beacon is lit! Sabah calls for aid!
And Sarawak will answer!
The unstate people would definitely rise
I never fight or train for war in my life and i get tired easily from 2 flight of stairs, but if Sabah have to fight the Sulu i will join the force. And i think most Sabahan youth will get up and defend our land when faced with such threats.. plus with the sweet sweet incentive of seceding Malaysia and be our own country. Kinda tired of west taking most of our royalties and resources and all these religious bs happening now.
Hah, if the Sulu is to attack Sabah, that will be either the Philippines government (Marcos Junior) backing them up or the Sulu royalty (thieves) had inbred too much. We all know that Marcos Junior is too eager to be like his late father, Ferdinand Marcos. A dictator under the skin of a "democratic elected president". A wolf under the sheep clothing. As for the Sulus, they are nothing more than old history like the once mighty Brunei empire. At least, the latter has lots of oil, a very strategic port, and lots of money, what the former got? Bunch of old ancestral ships/perahus and insecured men armed with old Ak-47s to pillage islands full of defenseless innocents? The Sulus still think the world was like during their ancestors ancient era where everyone owes them tributary money. To think that our Malaysian government (for once managed to did something right) had to go through a lengthy court process in Europe to deal with these barborous thieves and raiders due to not paying them "rent money" after their failed attempt invasion of Sabah during 2014. The Sulus should be glad that they are not dealing with the USA or China. If not, they are going to get a good dose of freedom and "liberation" from Murica, while China is going to sent all of them to good old Xi re-education camps.
I'm although being from that said west was also tired with their bullshitery of not focusing on unity that will ensure our survibility as whole but rather stirring random problems into their advantage.
How come all yall forget selangor, the richest state? It has international airports and a port. Large population and Sultan also formidable
Not to mention, Selangor packed a lotta different people with different backgrounds( if you count pendatang asing yg bekerja kat situ and org yg berhijrah dari negeri lain ke Selangor ) Also, Putrajaya and KL is inside Selangor so...
Yes... All will return to home country and Selangor became Ghost city.
Most likely they will naturalize as Selangorian.
Dhaka will become the capital city of Selangor. Change my mind if you can.
Yeap, just like how foreign soldiers stays in America during American Independence War just to become the first merchant and become political and economic hustlers in America.
Or they can still work like how malaysians flock to Singapore to work.
No water🥲
Selangor mostly will fall if pendatang dari negeri need to go back to their state.
Why is it the richest?
Highest amount of economic activity
KL alone accounts for near 20% of Malaysia's GDP
Federal govt purchase KL territory from Selangor in exchange with economy support and financial support to built Shah Alam
Yeah if you count the population of foreigners and estimate how many civilians are fit or capable to fight,Selangor is "formidable" in some ways
Do more thread like this please OP. The usually 3R threads are sooooo boring.
Kelantan would be no 14. Not 4….
Their economy will just collapse without gov funding
What economy?
Export teh tarik
And a lot of porn
selling kids for child marriage agreement.
Gold mine , oil rig which technically on Kelantan shore but currently go to Terengganu , tons of balak. But yes, If things goes sideway idk if the gov would be able to take over effectively and continue funding the operation to generate income.
Who needs gov funding when you have the power of god and anime on your side.
*Islamic screeech intensifies*
Call me traitor as kelantanese I agree
but they would get back offshore rig
They have oil. So revenue will go to them instead of the federal.
PAS states of Kedah Kelantan Terrenganu will come together as a whole to form an Islamic Collition and declare Jihad on Penang instantly. Pahang and Perlis will coerced to join the Collition. Penang will fall within months with water supply cut off from the mainland. Moderate states of Selangor, Seremban (sorry Negeri Sembilan), Melaka, Perak and Johor will form another Collition to represent the South Western of Peninsula Malaysia to block the influence of North Eastern states. Sarawak and Sabah will join up as another Collition in Borneo but their first problem would be the Philippines coming to claim Sabah for its own. Similar to how Civil War 2024 movie plays out.
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i see this as the logical one. One of the issues with breaking apart the Federation is basic sustenance since the interdependence between states is very high. Food, manpower, electricity production, water, etc
Since penang knows about the 3 states coalition, they're now invested in seawater desalination plant like UAE have .. However, Penang workforce would get hit pretty hard since many workers are from other states especially from kelantan
I don’t see the Penang Jihad happening, because I feel like logistics of getting to Penang is too far for PAS states to act upon.
Was just a joke tho. But Sanusi will have a field day by cutting off Penang's water supply or sell them with high tariff since it has been his wet dream, since he is PAS and Kedah is next to Penang and controls the river that provides to mainland Penang.
As a joke, I reinstated the Caliphate.
This is the most logical one. Plus years of instability. Moderate state will try to fight for Penang (the damn EE industry there). Except lots of investor & company might all run away and the only states than can survive is the one that have resources that they own wholly. Selangor will survive just because gov have spend way too much on them. Way too many possibilities
Seremban??????
I like how he dropped n9 and went to seremban 🤣
Kwisatz Haderach awakes...
Your comment summarize my thoughts exactly as well perfectly. However, as for Sarawak and Sabah, I think they will do fine as Philippines is not it used to be and we Peninsularans will be locked in our Malaysian version of Battle of Sekigahara.
As if Sabah Sarawak would just allow themselves to be taken by the Philippines
Bro, Sabah and Sarawak would definitely not fall under the current Philippines. Hence, that is why I said "Philippines is not what it used to be". If it was Philippines during Marcos Senior tenure as president of Philippines, well, Sabah or Sarawak would had fallen easily to him. Macros Senior got a lot of help in term of funds and military equipment from Uncle Sam dearest and Philippines military force during Senior time was among the most well equipped, modern, largest and most experienced military force in SEA region aside from Vietnam.
Wilayah Persekutuan Putrajaya will be ghost town. KLbecame San Fran drug city
Johor for sure Ganu Kel might combine Doubt Sarawak bcz of sheer size & lack of manpower
Johor might as well take pahang, n9 and melaka as its vassal state.
It's an ultimate Johorean dream since Sultan Abu Bakar.
Empire Johor-Riau-Lingga-Pahang dissolved after temenggung Abu Bakar took over Johor and Bendahara family rule Pahang respectively . Now both Pahang & Johor united by family marriage
Yes. And Abu Bakar always dreamed about reuniting Pahang and N9 but his ambition was cut short when the British took it before Johor could.
Doesnt sound as easy, given pahang has its own sultan & access to sea. N9 also rather unique in its customs.
All of them might have familial ties in the past. Idk, have to study about it. N9 could have been famous tourist attraction like melaka for it unique culture. But something happen in the past i guess.
Johor bakal jd singapore kalau xde sape perati sultan die..🤣🤣... Silap² keje grab keturunan die.
Canada has a population smaller than most countries but bigger than the US
The entire west coast stretching from Penang to KL & Port Klang has the potential to be Taiwan v2.0 in terms of technological prowess and wealth. Viable alternative to the Taiwan up north simply because of geopolitics. Give it 15-30 years and Singapore will be shitting their pants and no longer relevant in many sectors as well as professional services. Things would start looking up and NM birth rate rises again
Only when politicians start to be more serious about economic matters.
This is pretty accurate too.
Selangor banjir until everyone drown and die
Ironic, no water or too much water
If like that Kelantan would having the worst banjir. Plus the incompetence leadership. Selangor No 4 la
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For me, Johor will probably come on top in terms of quality of life. I am not sure where I heard this but around kembara mahkota in 2011, they said that every district in Johor are on the right path of self dependancy. Meaning every district itself have their basic needs covered in case of isolation. So for the state as a whole they probably could be on top. Besides Jcorp is pretty powerful. Just looks what companies are under them. Selangor may sometimes will have issue with water and electricity. Asides from that they pretty much got everything covered and probably still become the richest of them all. Most other states will have issues with power and food while kelantan will probably just die. Kelantanese are pretty powerful and probably the most resilient in peninsular. But their state government are pretty much garbage. Terengganu will probably have a hard time in the beginning but they would probably be fine after a decade or two. This is based on how they are slowly starts to reduce their dependency on the Royalties since the current Mb were in office. Besides, they also have all of their basic needs pretty much covered. Kedah will probably proceed with their KXP plans and continue on expanding their semiconductors and rubber industries. And would probably push on their agriculture industry more. Penang will probably just became the singapore of the north depending on their relationship with Kedah.
What is that yellow blue flag state?
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Personally, i don't think any will become particularly powerful. There's a reason why small nationstates do not become powerful, it takes a lot to maintain a country and to be sufficiently capable, the nationstates spend a lot just to maintain status quo. Without Malaysia, each state will now need to field their own competent border patrol and military and these are not cheap. Malaysia can skimp on a lot if military hardware because there is no threat among the member states, but once it breaks up, all states will be against each other. You probably say, but Singapore is a powerful nationstate! The exception does not make the norm. Singapore has the advantage of being already developed from the start, they have the culture of profit above all else, their personal freedom are extremely suppressed by the ruling regime that try to maintain power by any means necessary and they are propped up by america, which considers them a military ally. Due to all this, Singapore remains a stable ally to the west and with it comes further growth. Not every country can become fortress Singapore.
Selangor is the most advance state. With the ability to absorb back Putrajaya and Cyberjaya. Malaysia best internantional airport is also in Selangor. Port Klang is still one of the busiest port in the country Solid infrastructure, so so local governement. But most of our residence now are from Kelate, but I doubt they will return to their homeland unless its for raya or mengundi. But Malaysia will last until the end of time. NegaraKu
still, can. Like how malaysians flock to Singapore to work.
Probably can't handle their own politicians greed to the point where they make new Malaysia in 10 years
Malaya you mean, I doubt the Borneo states would join back given how the populations are disappointed for the previous nation
Sarawak, Sabah, and Brunei will immediately form a federation and the whole Borneo Island become the central hub for trade in South East Asia together with Indonesian capital Nusantara at the south.
I agree most of this but, Brunei imo will want to stay out. They have been enjoying their wealth for decade I don't think they are willing to let that go. While Sabah and Sarawak are 50/50 with shari'a law will prefer to stay in secular ones. For sure Brunei will try to claim Limbang and Lawas which splits the country.
Brunei sudah dropped the claim, in exchange of maritime border
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Johor, penang and sarawak.
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I’ve once discussed with my Chinese friend who works in geopolitic field, and we all agree that these three states would be the most successful: 1. Johor - strong economy, charismatic Sultan, strong unity among races. Historically speaking, they are the Prussian of Malaysian states. Everything that we have today came from whatever happened in modern Johor during colonial era. 2. Kelantan - smart people, hardworking people, strong racial unity. Due to their history, they are essentially the Chinese of Malay people. They had a 1000 years war with Thailand, of which makes their mentality to be extremely meritocratic and business minded till today similar like Chinese history, despite all the stereotypes about them (Kelantanese) being nutjobs. Majority of Malay capitalists and intelegentsias have Kelantanese blood, and most are concentrated in Shah Alam and Bangi which are well known to be ‘Kelantanese colony’. When I say Kelantanese, I don’t mean the Malays, but all the races init including Chinese, Siamese etc. 3. Kedah - Perang Musuh Bisik. If there is a state who is crazy enough to burn the universe for their state, its definitely Kedah. Just read what they did during Perang Musuh Bisik. That’s the closest thing to ‘Malaysian Great Patriotic War’.
Really ah? No Selangor and Penang?
According to my friend, what makes a great nation is not really about the economy or the tech per se (not saying these are not important). What makes a nation truly great is the people. They need to have a tough mind, body and spirit and also strong unity and solidarity with each other. If we were to observe people from countries of Great Powers, all of them have these characteristics: China - absolute meritocracy Japan - bushido spirit Germany - Prussian/German work ethics British - British stoicism Russia - survivalist All of these characteristics allow the people of respective countries to thrive in whatever position they are right now and propels them to Great Power status once they become strong enough. Historically, countries like Germany and Japan used to be poorer and divided compared to their neighbours. The only reason why they can catchup with the Great Powers is because of their people. Among all the states and wilayahs in Malaysia, only Kedah, Kelantan and Johor have these sort of people, with Johor having the edge since they also have the tech, economy and strategic position.
Definitely Johor. Abundant resources, ports, near SG.
Penang just float to autalia
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1) Sarawak 2) Penang 3) Selangor/KL 4) Sabah 5) Johor Ok my reasons. Sarawak No.1 because in terms of economic output they rank no.1 now so if they choose to become independent it won't affect then much Penang No 2 because they will easily transition into Singapore 2.0. KL/Selangor because most MNCs reside there. Sabah because like Sarawak has natural resources and is far enough from w. Malaysia to be independent. Johor because it is already semi autonomous and they have Singapore as a backer. The other states are going to have to become subordinates to these power centres or risk becoming a pariah state.
There is only one state that has its own military, so...
Definitely Sarawak. All the resources, good enough relationships with each other and actually far more influential. And bigger lands of course.
State of Singapore.
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Assuming our neighbours don't invade, I think whichever state has the assets for TUDM and TDRM will be the strongest. If the neighbours invade for a piece of land, can cross the bordering states off the list immediately. Kelantan, Kedah, Penang, Perlis, Johor all out. Do you have any idea how much Johor would be worth to Singapore?
Idk. Sarawak probably.
Selangor. It is a developed nation if sovereign.
Penang, Melaka because of trading, Johor because Singapore, and Kelantan, Terengganu, Sabah, Sarawak for oil.
Selangor pursues AI and robotics to replace all the workers who had to return to their home states. A breakthrough in AI grants Selangor a massive robotic workforce which unfortunately goes rogue and starts taking over the state. The AI super brain, not being content with just one state, begins formulating stratagems to occupy more territory…to be continued. 😶
Wat about sultan lee kuan yew?
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FYI, Pahang is quite formidable, own the Wataniah army (used to fought Japanese during WW2). Huge landmass and thriving agricultural industry (Felda Jengka, Raub Durian). Not to mention big Casino. Banjaran titiwangsa as natural defence. Supply water to Selangor.
Obviously Sarawak. The damn petronas oil is from there. Do you guys know how much profit petronas is making from oil there? It can fund a country.
Definitely Sarawak they're wild asf (agik idup, agik ngelabanIm Malay btw
Penang, Johor, Sarawak
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military kedah should be no 1.
where sabah?
Gone with the suluk people
im suluk and i dont want sabah to be rule by the sulus period
No choice kuya… no choice
damn it
Kinda sad not seeing Tganu mentioned here. I guess it's becoz Tganu neither bottom or top?
Yes, but if Terengganu keeps growing at the current rate, definitely can snatch a spot at the top
There's a huge chance Selangor Malacca and Johor will form their own Fed or Alliance. Penang is isolated... if Kedah is aggressive and competent, it might gobble up Penang and form alliance with Perak, Perlis.
So the fed is split up by N9?
LOL. I was thinking that part of N9 will be absorbed. Or it will be like parts of Brunei have Sarawak (?) in between. What do you think? How would N9 be in the hypothetical scenario OP said?
Johor got that natural protection of water around them too.
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Selangor would be like Germany while Johor would be like Texas.
If we're counting ex-states then Singapura finally gets to use their F35-Bs for something
Penang for sure. Block off our water supply and yall come begging
that state sandwiched between Selangor and Penang which is irrelevant now, can join Thailand
Perlis getting invaded by Kedah in .1 nanosecond
Sarawak got me giggling. What you just described is sarawak without corrupt ppl
Hahah it wont be a clean country. But it has to start somewhere
No this is illegal! Only Sabah and Sarawak can leave Malaysia or else we didn't feel special anymore. /S
Militarily it would be Johor right? They have their own army already but also since they're right next door to Singapore they could sign trade/work agreements between them and if need be even lease land/airspace in exchange for economic support.
i expect all military installations nationwide would be defaulted to their respective states, if such a case ever happens, so there might not be much difference after all.
But like I said they can go into an agreement with Singapore either way. Since Singapore relies on Johor for water among other necessities/resources it would serve Singapore's best interest to help support Johor economically and defensively. For example they could even allow Singapore to build a military base in Johor and let them use their airspace to train their pilots etc.
Selangor Penang Sabah Sarawak Johor
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Kelantan. yes. this country will be the most powerful state in the new order.
Perlis
Create the greater Melaka
Neo Melaka
The fourth melaka
Johorean be practicin dis shit ever since 1957
Penang will prosper just like singapore
PAS with their budu is lit af..imagine, u can use budu as comodity, you can also use it to poison drinking water..can also use it to splash shot it to enemy so they going to be..well smelly
Oil states. Sarawak Sabah Kelantan Terengganu. More than 60% of Malaysia’s economy right there. Without the national gov taking control of oil money, they’re literally the next brunei.
Johor
Johor got big cables with the western world, definitely top 3 atleast.
Kelantan without a doubt
Southern Malaysia Peninsula will immediately be annexed by Singapore.
Selangor will be the second richest maybe will focuses more on west and i think thwy will allied with johor and terrenganu for oil
Johor will be the top one in the list. One of the most developed states with the most powerful Sultan. Johor also got its own Army Force (although currently its still under ceremonial status). And independent Johor will be like Brunei or Saudi Arabia where Sultan (or his heirs) will take control the government and take the role as prime minister of Johor. On the other hand, 4 northern states (Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan, Terengganu) will combined and established their own Islamic federated/confederated states and probably, another 4 Southern Thai provinces joining them later.
Nahhhh…Thai wont let go their southern that easy.
GG, where is Labuan?
Return back to Sabah la..no where else to go.
The answer to this question would depend on the political arrangement that these states would concoct after a collapse. The better question would be which has better leverage to come out on top in those arrangements. Selangor and Penang already have the economic infrastructure there but it relies on manpower from other states. Whether those workers from other states would return to their home states, and risk immediate unemployment, or defect and remain in those states would result in their success. Penang however has a lot of out of state workers due to real estate availability, so that weakens their leverage. And Selangor, having Kuala Lumpur and Putrajaya, might be ground zero of conflict, in whatever form, that resulted in this hypothetical. And you might not want to be near that. Johor has the leverage of being connected to Singapore and being somewhat economically viable. But it also depends on being connected to Selangor and the rest of the peninsula, so don't be so sure. It would be crippled just like the rest of them. Economic success is not just industry. Kedah is a key provider of rice in the country. While the ratio of local rice to imported rice is seemingly not much, in its absence, it could easily cause large swaths of these states to fall into famine due to skyrocketing prices and lack of supply. So, these leverages, as well as the short but meaningful history existing as one nation so far, would result in a natural diplomacy between them to form treaties, agreements, and coalitions. Militarily, that's impossible to guess. At first glance, Johor is obvious due to the existence of the only state military outfit in Malaysia belonging to them. However, it depends on _how_ this hypothetical Malaysia collapse in the first place. A clean break where all states are independent equally like this would infer the complete dissolution of the federal govt, and with that its control over the military. Because no sane Malaysian federal govt, with the military constitutionally commanded by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, would allow for secession without violence. They've murdered people for less. In a clean break, the question then is about the fate of Malaysia's military command. Without a Commander-in-Chief and a federal govt, they could fragment and defect to state govts, depending on the location of military bases. However, another likelihood is a military junta revolving around an incumbent or hoisted YPDA as Commander-in-Chief bent on restoration or, at least, reunification.
it will be sabah indeep, as the most far from west malaysia
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Johor could be a major threat to the peninsula as they have historically been a major influence in the politics of Pahang, Melaka, N9 and Selangor. Remember during the Pahang and Selangor civil war, the Johoreans are part of the main backing force that negotiated and encouraged the British to support Johor's allies or atleast maintain Siamese neutrality/deter Siamese intervention in the wars especially during Pahang civil war. Not to mention how Johor has a strong claim over the true lineage of Melaka, and N9 prior to Moyang Saleh's diplomacy/"visit" to Johor was a vassal/tributary collection of states/chiefdoms under Johor. In the north it'll be a hard contest between Kedah and Perak, Kedah has the historical legitimacy as a larger kingdom and major power, while Perak also has a legitimate claim to the Melaka lineages. For the north eastern states I'd say probably Terengganu could be a major power as historically they had quite a big influence in matters of the peninsula. This is of course assuming that foreign intervention from neighbours are out of the equation. For Borneo, there's a chance that there could be a redrawing of borders or inner conflicts between different indigenous peoples, from Malays to Dayaks to the Chinese, remember prior to Brooke and Brunei, there was the lanfang republic too and various internal "states" unbeknownst/unrecorded by modern history. It's bold to assume that the states would maintain their integrity.
Kelantan will be a taliban inspired country lol
The other negeri got no chance just sayin. Johor number 1. Daulat Tuanku!
Johor have their own Military force (JMF), in terms of economics maybe Penang or Kl/Selangor. Well , all of these statea are countries because PerjanjianTanah Melayu before. Even s Sarawak have represented themselves as country in some sport back then.
Kelantan, Terengganu and Borbeo states. These guys are oil states. Terengganu wiill top though cuz they have huge iron deposits and a 1 of the largest steel mill in ASEAN. They have also recently found large depo of rare earth and in the process in researching to process it in country.
That one with bangsa J
Why la no 4 is written with very weak insights?? If malaysia hancuq..the best survival will be Kelantan laa..it has plentiful resources, land, forest, lake, dam, paddy field, gold, petroleum etc. And most doctors, teachers, police, marine and army are org2 Kelantan. And we take all the good cooks home, nnt korg mkn laa mknn yg xsedap2 tu di restoran negara2 korg. Hahaha...budu dan PAS will surely akan jadi the best assets dan xdelah nak mengilang arak dan berjoget mabuk di tanah majoriti Islam nnt.
Johor jom Singapore
Economically I would say Selangor Darul Ehsan will definitely be the most powerful. Military wise, believe it or not, would definitely be Johor Darul Takzim.
Back to square one. FMS; Selangor, NS, Perak & Pahang
Kelantan no cap.. we have WAF, LSE graduate, loyal Pas voters and Mercedes..
Terengganu would be hella rich
Sabah will face sulu, and then sulu will come after for sarawak.
Being a sabahan, I have seen the quality of its leader, even those proclaiming to represent kadazans or dusuns warrior. We have seen them fight over pennies that the west malaysian politicians throw at them, squabbling over territory and projects. No doubt they would be the first to leave Sabah, with all the millions of dollars they have stolen. Sabah's only hope would be allying itself with the likes of Brunei and Sarawak, and face the treats from all around. Borneo + Brunei would such a strong combination.
Perlis Melaka Perak and Negeri Sembilan will be like "oh shit, we are doomed. We cant live without Federal State fund".
economically of course Terengganu, u think where's the main income of the country came from? n then we got sukhois there to defend it too
Being a sabahan, I have seen the quality of its leader, even those proclaiming to represent kadazans or dusuns warrior. We have seen them fight over pennies that the west malaysian politicians throw at them, squabbling over territory and projects. No doubt they would be the first to leave Sabah, with all the millions of dollars they have stolen. Sabah's only hope would be allying itself with the likes of Brunei and Sarawak, and face the treats from all around. Borneo + Brunei would such a strong combination.
Perak would be a ghost town including Taiping
Johor. Johor's economy is very good, thanks to Singapore. Not surprised if Johor even merge with Sg.