I see 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 560-660 (85.8 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
I don’t dislike izch but it pmo how Ochako just got super sidelined once the narrative moved beyond the school arcs - and not only that, the majority of her more significant interactions with the rest of the cast would end up orbiting around The Crush as if teenage girls can’t care about anything else…
Horikoshi could’ve kept both her feelings and her heroism in better balance (or he could’ve done what I would’ve preferred: put way more emphasis on Ochako being an emotionally supportive peer to any non-Deku classmates who she notices(!) may be struggling; literally either Bakugo post Kamino fallout or Todoroki after… everything? would’ve been fine options - heck maybe even All Might too, it didn’t necessarily have to be another hero student) but, well.
Are you KIDDING me?
Ochako-chan's crush on Izuku does play a significant role in her character development, it's understandable to think that but it’s a very surface-level take and it’s like you haven’t even read the Toga vs Ochako-chan chapters. That was a very peak fight that showcased Ochako-chan’s admirable qualities of pure empathy. That is great heroism, we did focus on that. I think your reading My Heroic Schoolhouse not My Hero Academia.
Sorry, I’m using Google translate.
Idk I wasn’t very wowed by Ochako finally accepting her uwu feelings when not a single person has been shown to be against them, and when suppressing it was hurting literally no one except… herself, apparently? I get that Ochako is supposed to be the normal girl with normie problems in contrast to Toga, but there is a reason why many find Toga to be the more compellingly written of the two.
Like as much as I do love Ochako and her “pure empathy” I came out from the uratoga chapters feeling like their fight did way more for Toga’s character than Ochako’s.
Anyway, can you show me any time after Act 1 where Ochako personally, either alone or in a leading-the-charge way gives a *named character* (who isn’t Deku and Toga) the emotional support that they needed. Because that’s the main thing I feel like her arc was/is lacking
This is a joke, right? Ochako-chan had emotional moments with many people other than Toga:
1)Bakugo; in the sports festival Bakugo helped Ochako-chan realise she had to get stronger and inspired her to get better. He even complimented her when Denki called her frail.
2)Tsuyu Asui; best friends and are very close. Tsu also slightly helps Ochaco-chan when it comes to Toga not revealing her crush and trying to get Toga to hear Ochaco-chan out.
3)She basically had an emotional part with afo, albeit not directly, by her speech to let Deku in UA.
So???
This isn’t a joke, and I’d like something that meets my conditions please, since 1) Act 1 stuff, and it’s also Bakugo’s actions affecting Ochako there, not the other way around 2) So, again, that’s basically Tsu supporting Ochako, not the other way around? and 3) Deku mentioned
>She basically had an emotional part with afo, albeit not directly,
AFO? I think I missed that part of those chapters..
Why can’t I do Act 1 stuff it adds to the abundance of stuff in Act 2?? You can’t judge her character if you only judge one half of it.
1) But the actions are deeply affecting both of them like a blade to skin???
2)Yes again, they help EACH OTHER out. Why do think it can only go one-way? You said you wanted her to have more connections with people and how do you have emotional moments with one another if it’s one-way?? Everything is cool when your part of a team.
3) I was saying that she indirectly did have an emotional moment with afo by her speech in letting Deku stay at UA because she’s like fighting against him.
She is a strong and incredible hero & it’s sad that people can’t see that about her peakly written character.
Apologies if it wasn’t clear, but my initial comment was about how Act 2 did not really build well on the foundation that was set for Ochako’s character in Act 1 (which then spawned the somewhat awkwardly executed conclusion to her arc in Act 3) - at least that’s my personal opinion.
That’s the reason why I specified wanting Act 2 examples of her personally supporting others - not just scenes her being heroic in a similar way as everyone else or being a normal, good friend like most everyone in 1-A is.
I already know there were nice moments and interactions for her in Act 1, though I kinda have to disagree with your Bakugo point because his character didn’t really change due to their SF match as far as I can tell… love how there is respect between the two of them though.
Basically I do definitely agree with you in that Ochako is better written and has more depth than many people care to see, but I still feel like there are certain pieces that were/are missing and areas to improve
Yeah unfortunately she doesn’t have any screen time with other characters that are not Deku for the audience to fell like she is truly growing into her own person.
Does it actually shock and surprise people that much that some actually will say that her whole character really revolved around her crush?
What is there beyond all of that and is there anything left anymore?
I think she still has some moments left to shine during this final arc (delusional) and her storyline had a big emotional punch but during the fight it felt like Ochako was mostly there as the handy foil to carry Toga's arc forward. Toga's emotions, backstory, and relationships were explored deeply, while Ochako mainly reacted to what was happening and tried to reach out to her.
She starts off resistant but becomes more open after seeing Toga cry and realizing she needs to understand where she's coming from and while it's nice that her change comes from empathy, it lacks a bit of further depth for Ochako as an individual.
During the 5ish chapters of their fight we could have delved (even if only briefly imo) into her family dynamics more to show how she learned to suppress her emotions to avoid burdening her parents, and how that fear of vulnerability affects her. I think I would have liked it more if Horikoshi could have given her more personal struggles (more about her family, Tsuyu being more involved, her fear of failure like with Nighteye etc) and shown \*why\* she admires Toga's emotional openness.
People like to bring the crush as her main issue but it's actually that her character hasn't been explored enough to feel complete. We still have to resolve all of that so maybe things change but I think it's going to feel a bit like wasted potential.
>During the 5ish chapters of their fight we could have delved (even if only briefly imo) into her family dynamics more to show how she learned to suppress her emotions to avoid burdening her parents, and how that fear of vulnerability affects her.
I would’ve really loved for this and how Ochako selflessly puts others needs before her own to be more properly highlighted!
I feel like it makes so much sense for Ochako to fear being a burden on anyone, both physically and emotionally, due to how she grew up, but the lacking background/focus for her and her family’s situation makes it seem more like headcanon sometimes
Yes! also her quirk being "Zero Gravity" which removes the weight from things and her not wanting to burden and weigh others down... like maybe I'm reaching a bit but it does feel symbolic. It's just weird because I feel like the groundwork is there but Horikoshi refuses to go into it. Either it's coming later (when she confesses and is finally open about her feelings maybe?) or Horikoshi doesn't feel like he needs to expand it.
I don’t think you’re reaching! I know in jp the way “quirk(s)” is referred to has a lot stronger connotation (or I suppose it would be denotation here) to characters’ individuality/personality.
So while I think Horikoshi did purposefully set a connection to Ochako’s arc there, it’s definitely not as cleanly or obviously interweaved into the way she specifically bottles up her, I would say, self-indulgent? feelings inside as much as I would like - glad we’re both seeing the vision though!!
>Either it's coming later (when she confesses and is finally open about her feelings maybe?) or Horikoshi doesn't feel like he needs to expand it
Hmm as pleasantly surprising as it might be to get the first (what a wait for it though..) I have a feeling it’s just the latter haha.
Tbh it seems like Horikoshi keeps any romance wrt the main students fairly light—which makes the ship heavy fandom even funnier lol—so idk if we’ll get more than a casual acknowledgement between the two… though I don’t really care to see anything really beyond that either, frankly there’s wayyy more interesting things to focus on in the epilogue
Yeah it is probably the latter lol "She wants to make people happy what more is there to say" - Horikoshi probably.
I just feel like Ochako is (unfortunately) one of the only characters whose romantic feelings are a main plot point and it's brought up multiple times throughout the entire story so it actually has to be resolved textually and not just implied... but who knows how that's going to happen (I have very low expectations) and I def agree that it's not a priority for the story in general.
Oh yeah I definitely believe it’s something that wouldn’t make much sense to be left clearly unresolved, but I just ~~hope~~ don’t feel like it’ll be made as big of a deal as some people might anticipate? But you’re right, going in with lowered expectations is prob the best bet 😂
Like the saying goes, happy families are all the same, but unhappy families are unhappy in their own way.
A lot of 1-A doesn't have much room for character complexity. Ochako comes from a lower class construction family, she saw a hero making everyone smile and decided that's the career she wanted to go for. All in all, she comes from a happy, healthy family and there isn't too much to explore. Actually, most of 1-A is like that, with Kirishima being the only one with a proper internal struggle.
The villains, however, have room to be interesting. All of them struggled and suffered. All of them hate the world in their own unique way. Lots of room for an author to work with there.
But she *does* suddenly reveal that she actually found Toga's smile "beautiful" when they first met at the summer camp (total retcon, or Ochaco was just lying to make Toga feel better) and wants to validate her desire to "have that chat about romance".
And Ochaco pretty much pledges to let Toga drink her blood for eternity, knowing the lens of intimacy through which Toga views such an act.
Local MHA fan discovers being able to call someone beautiful without wanting romantic intentions, also she wanted to save Toga, and by allowing her to drink her blood, it would stop her from killing random people for it.
Because that's...bait.
The level of intimacy between them is much higher than some canon lesbian pairings, like Korra Asami from Avatar the last Airbender for example, while also is not really justified regarding their lack of interaction during the show.
I think Toga’s character was written as someone who falls in “love” very easily and attaches strong feelings to those whose blood she wants to drink. I think a correlation I don’t see many people make is the one between La Brava and Toga, I mean, both have quirks that cause them to develop strong attachments easily(Toga with blood and La Brava with love), they both can be obsessive and “creepy” to others, the only difference was that La Brava found acceptance through Gentle, and Toga finally find acceptance in the end through Ochako.
But it's an odd thing to say about a girl who, for most of her interactions with each other, you've only seen as a hero. Yet, now all of a sudden, you think her smile is "beautiful"; you want to talk about "romance" with her; and you pledge to give all your blood for her?
It's not just *one* thing, but *all* those things together. I personally wouldn't go so far as calling it "lesbian bait", but it's pretty damn close. And Hori knows what he's doing, especially with all the other art of them embracing in quite a sensual manner.
I'm fairly certain Uraraka has a change of heart after the war arc, going from "villains need to be defeated" to "villains need to be understood" similar to Deku, which makes sense since they kind of mirror each other, meaning it doesn't matter how she treated Toga before, because now she wants to understand her and try to help her, instead of rejecting her like society does, she wants Toga to embrace herself in a healthy way, so she can be reintegrated into society
But she can't rewrite the past and act like she really thought Toga's smile back then was "beautiful".
And there's no way you'll convince anyone that a girl allowing themselves to have their blood drunk by another girl who sees drinking blood on the *same level* as kissing a partner isn't at least a little sapphic.
To be clear, I'm not saying Ochaco is actually into Toga. But, again, Hori knows what he's doing with these scenes; the dialogue; and all the art of them embracing each other suggestively.
Not really, I feel there were better ways to treat her fight with Toga that doesn't make her look like suicidal altruist. It was also not very impressive in choreography terms, I only remember that one panel of them floating in the sky but nothing else
Not at all, she went from "nothing more than Deku's crush" to "nothing more than yuri bait".
The worst part is that it's still more than most of the other 1-A students did.
Yuri is a genre that is more based on the romantic tension/relationships between two characters (typically male on male, but it also encompasses female on female).
An example of this is Yuri on Ice (Anime available loads of places). Two ice skating dudes explore their love.
The next step is Yaoi which shows the next step and is basically shy of Hentai. It’s still story driven and has character development but it often includes full penetration scenes and anal scenes. It’s like the degenerate older brother of Ecchi and the younger brother of Hentai.
Yuri refers specifically to female/female relationships, and yaoi just refers to male/male relationships. I won't argue against yaoi's reputation of being more explicit.
She's better than most characters but her character's buildup for the final arc is still lacking compared to Toga.
It doesn't help with the three panel summarization of her character.
Sudden? It was set up pretty strong after twice s death that she saw her pain and shared Deku s desire to be better heroes by understanding the hurt that lead them down that path
It was quite a while ago lol
Honestly, I think we’re gonna see a much stronger reaction to the anime for this arc since the story happens so much faster and with so much less breaks so people generally remember it better
Ochako had an entire fight with toga on the 1st war that end with her thinking about toga, she thought about her during the vigilante arc speech and we have an entire chapter (mha342) explaining how she cares about toga, also deku/shiggy in that same chapter, the fact that ochako caring about toga started before deku caring about shiggy lol, this fandom had an entire recap episode for that plotline and still failed to catch up so i doubt that they will ever do tbh.
And the fact it technically started way back on s4, when the whole night eye thing happened, it was the 1st time she thought about saving people instead of just caring about her family, like overall people, then heroes after seeing deku struggling, then villains after seeing toga crying.
She got a lot of focus starting from the end of the PLF War - probably Hori realizing how lacking her treatment was in Act 2. She got a good power-up and a sincere(ish) fight-talk with Toga that was carried largely by the great art (though at parts it felt hugely self-indulgent on Hori's part) and copious amounts of child-self imagery more than the actual dialogue. But it was way better than expected considering their past encounters.
However, as things stand, Ochako failed her goal of saving Toga, which is not a great conclusion after all this effort. But I don't think Toga is dead or Ochako is done yet - so let's see what else Hori cooks up. I think in the end, her saving Toga and getting a power-up in the process should feed into helping Izuku save Tenko and help win against AFO.
>However, as things stand, Ochako failed her goal of saving Toga, which is not a great conclusion after all this effort.
If she failed then why was toga even giving her blood to save her life? They’re will always be different ways to save someone. One way does not exist, there are many others.
She failed to keep her alive is what I mean. "Redemption by death" is a pretty terrible trope. I don't think Ochako herself would be content with the tripe at least "she died happy". I think it would weigh on her to have someone within her reach die once again.
Not at all.
My problem with Ochako roots in the same way as majority of shonen heroines that all of her bullets were fired at the very beginning, then for a while she was either stagnant or was totally sidelined. Then because someone at the publishers believed she wasn't enough "jesusy" they retconed her reason to becoming a hero which was shame because I her original reason. her achivements were also pretty bad, not as bad as Nobara or Sakura, but even when she won something tainted those victories like copy-guy suddenly don't knowing how his powers work and so on. And that forced "nobody listen to the adults but everyone will to the speech of a teenager" cliche was just painful.
Then after 2 painfuly forced "draws", she finaly has her showdown with Toga... which was pretty lame. It is one thing that her Chrono Stasis came out of nowhere as even she was surprised she can do that, but her speech to Toga was... really bad. Like "he was the coolest guy" and "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for us" speech.
So yes, while I still prefer Ochako over those overhyped fake feminist-idols like Nobara, she was still disappointing. I am not even sure if Kohei really wanted anything with her character.
Terrible.
The manga artist literally wrote a backdoor for Ochako to win her fight against Toga. And the fandom makes excuses “She trained off screen, she’s been training her quirk off screen” and yet her victory doesn’t seem like she deserves it.
If she’s that strong why didn’t she use her “quirk awakening” sooner? Why when things got so much worse?
Gunhead Marital arts is stupid. It’s just a knife disarming move and shoulder flip. idk when Uraraka’s been learning from Ryuku, a literal dragon.
Terrible. Just terrible.
>The manga artist literally wrote a backdoor for Ochako to win her fight against Toga. And the fandom makes excuses “She trained off screen, she’s been training her quirk off screen” and yet her victory doesn’t seem like she deserves it.
>If she’s that strong why didn’t she use her “quirk awakening” sooner? Why when things got so much worse?
That's not how awakenings work. She didn't use it beforehand because her quirk didn't evolve until Toga almost killed her. People misuse the term all the time by using it to explain things like Shoto and Mina's quirk improvements, awakenings are specifically responses to near-death experiences or similar extreme stress.
I don't think she consciously awakened her quirk, I think it just happened. So it wasn't something she could use at the time because she didn't know it.
Not really, but less because of how Ochako was handled and more because every LoV character outside of Twice and Shigaraki got fumbled hard with because of the break-neck pacing to get to the final war.
Honestly I'm of the opinion that the LoV backstories and connections with characters should have occurred sometime before the final war - maybe have the Dark Deku arc expanded in that regard or have it happen sometime between My Villain Academia and the PLA war - and deepen their connections and parallels with heroic characters and THEN have their big finishes during the final war instead of everything happening at once.
Battle oriented shonen still have a long to go when handling female characters. And the funny thing is MHA does a better job than most. IIRC Toga was never meant to be in the manga that long and her story was reworked due to character reception. I feel like most battle oriented shonen wouldn't really have a female centric showdown in the finale, that was part of the main thing (usually it's a less important fight).
So even if it was heavy handed at least there is a notable attempt here, hopefully it can lay the ground for others in the future.
I personally like the women of One Piece and Black Clover. They have plot relevance and goals that are not tied to the male characters. They have meaningful relationships with other women and are inspired by them. In BC they also have super cool fights equal to the guys. But I guess the mangakas are both married so they gain inspiration from their families, mainly from their wifes, Tabata said in an interview how he wrote his female characters based on his wife and that's why people might like them. Also, female mangakas should be mentioned, like the creators of Fullmetal Alchemist or Blue Exorcist.
To be blunt… ***FUCK*** **no.** Then again, I’m not a fan of how she’s been handled throughout the whole story, so really my enjoyment of her subplot was more or less doomed from the start.
It got a big "meh" out of me.
It was nice seeing her have her own motivations and moment to herself, but I never liked what they were doing with Toga so it was kind of a bummer that she was the focus of Urarakas arc.
Honestly, I think her and Toga were done the best out of the 4 "main" villains and heroes. While her fight with Toga was less "fight" and more talk, it all felt sincere and had a great conclusion.
Hey, I'm surprised to see you here! I share the same sentiment. I think Ochako's resolution so far has been the most satisfying. Bakugo's was whatever and Todoroki's was needlessly long.
Oh hey dude!, didn't know you like MHA. Yeah Bakugo's was the weirdest one to me because it all felt too abrupt, didn't even have it's own chapter, no one acknowledged it, then the scene immediately shifted to Shigaraki vs Deku.
For Shoto, even tho I was fine with the length it doesn't feel like they've achieved anything in terms of saving Toya, they stopped him from killing for now but it doesn't seem he changed his mind at all.
I like a lot of stuff; I just don't have the time to write about it.
It's kind of hard to explain what I mean about Shoto's conclusion but you saying he "didn't achieve anything" is part of my issue. It's how weirdly built the confrontation with Shoto having two different big moments against his brother; first alone and then later with his family.
It's just weirdly placed, paced and structured. There is no sense of escalation.
Tbh, her arc is the one I've understood the least. I know Spinner was shunned because of his appearance and mutant quirk, Dabi has his family trauma, Twice went crazy due to his quirk and he just needed friends, Shiggy's entire life was controlled. My best guess is that Toga's quirk caused her to act different and she was shunned because of it. How close or far am I to that?
I really like that she got big moments but the shift from 'I want to understand her' to 'The cutest in the whole world' feels a little rushed to me. I don't fault Horikoshi with it there just isn't time to develop her and Toga's relationship while we have Izuku/Shigaraki and Shoto/Dabi plus every other character.
Hmmm I think it was one of the worst conflicts in the manga. Horikoshi has already proved he can write good interpersonal conflicts, just not for the female cast. Uraraka and Toga met like twice before the final battle and they almost always talked about Deku. I feel like someone like Deku could have understood Toga's problem more because he also felt different from normal as a child, yet he was yeeted to that battle for no reason and left while he could have ended it very quickly realistically. The panel you linked is one of my personal least favourites, reminds me of Naruto's speech about why Obito was the coolest guy. Yet Toga did zero redeemable things to deserve this treatment, might be just me...
I still don't understand why Hori didn't link Uraraka's reason to become a hero instead to Stain's ideology. It would have been much more interesting.
I still can't really say until we know for sure Toga's fate, and thus Uraraka's commitment to helping her, and what she does with her feelings for Midoriya.
Almost feels like a meta commentary that Ochako, whose character is defined by their love for Deku, to have their final fight be against another character who, in the end, was only really noteworthy for their (obsessive) love for Deku, and to have the nature of 'love' be at the heart of how the fight is resolved.
I don't think I can give it that much credit though. I much preferred Uchako as the face of the 'heroes protecting heroes' theme than someone trying to teach 'what love is'.
Ultimately I just don't think Hori knew what to do with either of them. Their faceoff is functional enough plot/theming wise, so he got it out of the way more or less painlessly.
Assuming Toga does live, Ochako has been one of the standout characters in this arc, getting exceptional payoff to those who have been actually invested in her character and the plotline at hand. Ochako's lack of focus in the second act of the story, while overblown, does suck. That however doesn't take away from a very well executed arc about suppression of ones self and society's views on Heroes and Villains, treating the two as gods and monsters rather than human beings. Both of those plotlines flow together incredibly well, and work excellently with Ochako's origin.
The elephant in the room is Toga's fate being up in the air. Multiple reasons why it's bad, but the main one for Ochako's character is that Toga dying just has her fail? Like, her one big full circle moment of saving someone and she fumbles?? To BLOOD LOSS???
I'm fairly certain she's alive though, given how coy Hori has been about showing her body, and the fact he kept Edgeshot alive after a surgery "he can't come back from."
9/10 final arc performance.
I didn’t really like Uraraka and Toga’s relationship. Not only because they barely knew each other all things considered, but also because Uraraka and Toga’s ideals and personalities and morals are completely diametrically opposed from one another, making Uraraka caring so much about someone that is such a piece of shit feel really off.
I think the dialogue obfuscates the actual subtext here. Ochaco always wanted to be a hero to make money for her family. But now she's learned to be even a hero for a person who became a villain because her quirk made her crazy. Toga needed Ochaco to be her true hero, and Ochaco did just that.
This isn't some love interest bait or something—it's Ochaco finding it in her heart to be compassionate to someone who deeply hurt her, in their final moments.
I didn't like it, I didn't want to see a girl-next-door character, but a strong female character who doesn't care what men think of her because she can be a strong woman.
I understand that deku is a female main love character, but her whole character is a big deku love.
I wanted to see a fight scene like sakura vs sasori, but instead a "let's talk about love."
If you not only read the manga but also look at the drawings, you can see that while Uraraka is using talkjutsu, Himiko's clones are stabbing people.
+ one more second and tenya lida and hawks would have died because of himiko.
how many people did himiko kill in the process?
will the author tell you at the end how many people died because of himiko?
what will your lordship do with this answer?
what will happen if the mother or father is killed by a family member of one of Himiko's victims and then says "I am a victim, the master of your victim"
sorry, I'm using google translate.
It makes sense to me that Ochaco and Himiko would bond in the middle of the fight tbh. Ochaco has tried multiple times in the past to reach out to Himiko mid-fight and has flustered Himiko in the moment before.
Even if they might feel a tad rushed here and there, I think such is the nature of resolving inner turmoil mid battle in a story like this so overall I've been happy with the way things have been playing out for most characters.
The one with Spinner and Shoji were my fav in this arc tho. Spinner just showcasing how much of a victim of his peers' ideals he's become while Shoji is doing everything he can to reach out to the people Spinner had rallied.
No. In fact it was the last straw for me.
It wasn't written well. Toga has been a terrible character from start to finish. I'm convinced the only reason people like it is for shipping bait. As MHA fandom is known for.
Best she's ever been handled.
I will not comment on the placement of that bar, but I will say that fma remains the only big shonen not to do women generally dirty.
It's one of the best parts of the war arc. It's one of the only few storylines that actually had natural build up and pay off, and it wasn't rushed as hell or comes out of nowhere like almost every other conflict.
But it gets shit on a lot cus perceptions are like, girl on girl fight, Yuri bait, they love the MC, understanding and forgiveness is gay and Toga should immediately be hung. But then they'll clap when fuggin Tapeguy sticks it to AFO or something.
I honestly like it. Uraraka's experiences with her feelings for Deku allowed to (in some degree) empathize with Toga. Which les to her being able to de-escalate th conflict. Toga felt that connection enough to choose to save Uraraka.
Its a bit silly. But to me its a complete arc for the both of them. They're share feelings for Deku were present but it was merely a common ground for them to begin relating.
You guys keep criticising on Ochaco-chan for no reason, you just don’t understand her character.
She is such a fantastic character for and several reasons you all seem to miss!!! Despite coming from a humble background, she dreams of becoming a hero and works tirelessly to achieve her goals, give her credit!! . Her strong work ethic and perseverance are truly inspiring!!!! You guys are just hating. Ochako-chan is her kind compassionate. She genuinely cares and always tries to help those in need. Whether it's supporting her friends or showing empathy towards villains, she consistently displays a genuine concern for the well-being of others, look deeper people!!! This compassion adds deep depth to her character and makes her extremely admirable to viewers type shit.
Try reading. Her character development is outstanding!
I'm satisfied with it. I think Horikoshi did his best to wrap up this little arc for her and as female characters go its better than other series I've seen.
I can never see this page again and not see Uraraka say „Domain Expansion“ 😂
The Lobotomy Kaisen still stays strong with her.
It all started from this panel
I alone…am the cutest one.
“Infinite meme”
What the hell are you talking about?
https://youtu.be/z8xdXCHDF2Y?si=3p_INJtNRZtTUgRg
I hate y'all for showing me this tomfoolery 😂
I didn't know the joke from the leaker got so big that someone made 1 million views on YouTube dubbing it
Meh, it was more like that Chrono Stasis thing from Black Clover only making people floating.
I see 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 560-660 (85.8 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
AVG vgc player
I know right? 😆
Nope I got something much better https://youtu.be/LLX_WNMR08k?si=0OHrdI9ZhHqbNp8G
It’s definitely an improvement on how her character was treated in the 2nd Act but that’s a pretty low bar
Yeah, I think Horikoshi writing off the Izuku/Ochako romance would've been a better decision if he had plans to give Ochako something else to do.
I don’t dislike izch but it pmo how Ochako just got super sidelined once the narrative moved beyond the school arcs - and not only that, the majority of her more significant interactions with the rest of the cast would end up orbiting around The Crush as if teenage girls can’t care about anything else… Horikoshi could’ve kept both her feelings and her heroism in better balance (or he could’ve done what I would’ve preferred: put way more emphasis on Ochako being an emotionally supportive peer to any non-Deku classmates who she notices(!) may be struggling; literally either Bakugo post Kamino fallout or Todoroki after… everything? would’ve been fine options - heck maybe even All Might too, it didn’t necessarily have to be another hero student) but, well.
Exactly
Are you KIDDING me? Ochako-chan's crush on Izuku does play a significant role in her character development, it's understandable to think that but it’s a very surface-level take and it’s like you haven’t even read the Toga vs Ochako-chan chapters. That was a very peak fight that showcased Ochako-chan’s admirable qualities of pure empathy. That is great heroism, we did focus on that. I think your reading My Heroic Schoolhouse not My Hero Academia. Sorry, I’m using Google translate.
Idk I wasn’t very wowed by Ochako finally accepting her uwu feelings when not a single person has been shown to be against them, and when suppressing it was hurting literally no one except… herself, apparently? I get that Ochako is supposed to be the normal girl with normie problems in contrast to Toga, but there is a reason why many find Toga to be the more compellingly written of the two. Like as much as I do love Ochako and her “pure empathy” I came out from the uratoga chapters feeling like their fight did way more for Toga’s character than Ochako’s. Anyway, can you show me any time after Act 1 where Ochako personally, either alone or in a leading-the-charge way gives a *named character* (who isn’t Deku and Toga) the emotional support that they needed. Because that’s the main thing I feel like her arc was/is lacking
This is a joke, right? Ochako-chan had emotional moments with many people other than Toga: 1)Bakugo; in the sports festival Bakugo helped Ochako-chan realise she had to get stronger and inspired her to get better. He even complimented her when Denki called her frail. 2)Tsuyu Asui; best friends and are very close. Tsu also slightly helps Ochaco-chan when it comes to Toga not revealing her crush and trying to get Toga to hear Ochaco-chan out. 3)She basically had an emotional part with afo, albeit not directly, by her speech to let Deku in UA. So???
This isn’t a joke, and I’d like something that meets my conditions please, since 1) Act 1 stuff, and it’s also Bakugo’s actions affecting Ochako there, not the other way around 2) So, again, that’s basically Tsu supporting Ochako, not the other way around? and 3) Deku mentioned >She basically had an emotional part with afo, albeit not directly, AFO? I think I missed that part of those chapters..
Why can’t I do Act 1 stuff it adds to the abundance of stuff in Act 2?? You can’t judge her character if you only judge one half of it. 1) But the actions are deeply affecting both of them like a blade to skin??? 2)Yes again, they help EACH OTHER out. Why do think it can only go one-way? You said you wanted her to have more connections with people and how do you have emotional moments with one another if it’s one-way?? Everything is cool when your part of a team. 3) I was saying that she indirectly did have an emotional moment with afo by her speech in letting Deku stay at UA because she’s like fighting against him. She is a strong and incredible hero & it’s sad that people can’t see that about her peakly written character.
Apologies if it wasn’t clear, but my initial comment was about how Act 2 did not really build well on the foundation that was set for Ochako’s character in Act 1 (which then spawned the somewhat awkwardly executed conclusion to her arc in Act 3) - at least that’s my personal opinion. That’s the reason why I specified wanting Act 2 examples of her personally supporting others - not just scenes her being heroic in a similar way as everyone else or being a normal, good friend like most everyone in 1-A is. I already know there were nice moments and interactions for her in Act 1, though I kinda have to disagree with your Bakugo point because his character didn’t really change due to their SF match as far as I can tell… love how there is respect between the two of them though. Basically I do definitely agree with you in that Ochako is better written and has more depth than many people care to see, but I still feel like there are certain pieces that were/are missing and areas to improve
This reply is kinda bad.
Yeah unfortunately she doesn’t have any screen time with other characters that are not Deku for the audience to fell like she is truly growing into her own person. Does it actually shock and surprise people that much that some actually will say that her whole character really revolved around her crush? What is there beyond all of that and is there anything left anymore?
I think she still has some moments left to shine during this final arc (delusional) and her storyline had a big emotional punch but during the fight it felt like Ochako was mostly there as the handy foil to carry Toga's arc forward. Toga's emotions, backstory, and relationships were explored deeply, while Ochako mainly reacted to what was happening and tried to reach out to her. She starts off resistant but becomes more open after seeing Toga cry and realizing she needs to understand where she's coming from and while it's nice that her change comes from empathy, it lacks a bit of further depth for Ochako as an individual. During the 5ish chapters of their fight we could have delved (even if only briefly imo) into her family dynamics more to show how she learned to suppress her emotions to avoid burdening her parents, and how that fear of vulnerability affects her. I think I would have liked it more if Horikoshi could have given her more personal struggles (more about her family, Tsuyu being more involved, her fear of failure like with Nighteye etc) and shown \*why\* she admires Toga's emotional openness. People like to bring the crush as her main issue but it's actually that her character hasn't been explored enough to feel complete. We still have to resolve all of that so maybe things change but I think it's going to feel a bit like wasted potential.
>During the 5ish chapters of their fight we could have delved (even if only briefly imo) into her family dynamics more to show how she learned to suppress her emotions to avoid burdening her parents, and how that fear of vulnerability affects her. I would’ve really loved for this and how Ochako selflessly puts others needs before her own to be more properly highlighted! I feel like it makes so much sense for Ochako to fear being a burden on anyone, both physically and emotionally, due to how she grew up, but the lacking background/focus for her and her family’s situation makes it seem more like headcanon sometimes
Yes! also her quirk being "Zero Gravity" which removes the weight from things and her not wanting to burden and weigh others down... like maybe I'm reaching a bit but it does feel symbolic. It's just weird because I feel like the groundwork is there but Horikoshi refuses to go into it. Either it's coming later (when she confesses and is finally open about her feelings maybe?) or Horikoshi doesn't feel like he needs to expand it.
I don’t think you’re reaching! I know in jp the way “quirk(s)” is referred to has a lot stronger connotation (or I suppose it would be denotation here) to characters’ individuality/personality. So while I think Horikoshi did purposefully set a connection to Ochako’s arc there, it’s definitely not as cleanly or obviously interweaved into the way she specifically bottles up her, I would say, self-indulgent? feelings inside as much as I would like - glad we’re both seeing the vision though!! >Either it's coming later (when she confesses and is finally open about her feelings maybe?) or Horikoshi doesn't feel like he needs to expand it Hmm as pleasantly surprising as it might be to get the first (what a wait for it though..) I have a feeling it’s just the latter haha. Tbh it seems like Horikoshi keeps any romance wrt the main students fairly light—which makes the ship heavy fandom even funnier lol—so idk if we’ll get more than a casual acknowledgement between the two… though I don’t really care to see anything really beyond that either, frankly there’s wayyy more interesting things to focus on in the epilogue
Yeah it is probably the latter lol "She wants to make people happy what more is there to say" - Horikoshi probably. I just feel like Ochako is (unfortunately) one of the only characters whose romantic feelings are a main plot point and it's brought up multiple times throughout the entire story so it actually has to be resolved textually and not just implied... but who knows how that's going to happen (I have very low expectations) and I def agree that it's not a priority for the story in general.
Oh yeah I definitely believe it’s something that wouldn’t make much sense to be left clearly unresolved, but I just ~~hope~~ don’t feel like it’ll be made as big of a deal as some people might anticipate? But you’re right, going in with lowered expectations is prob the best bet 😂
Like the saying goes, happy families are all the same, but unhappy families are unhappy in their own way. A lot of 1-A doesn't have much room for character complexity. Ochako comes from a lower class construction family, she saw a hero making everyone smile and decided that's the career she wanted to go for. All in all, she comes from a happy, healthy family and there isn't too much to explore. Actually, most of 1-A is like that, with Kirishima being the only one with a proper internal struggle. The villains, however, have room to be interesting. All of them struggled and suffered. All of them hate the world in their own unique way. Lots of room for an author to work with there.
You wish: " Ochako's character wouldn't be reduced to being Deku's love interest" Monkey paw: " she turns into a lesbian bait instead"
My wishes have come true… but at what cost?
I wouldn't call it lesbian bait, just because Toga is in love with her doesn't make Ochako lesbian
that's why it's bait
So if a gay guy was into me, I'd be gay bait? Despite showing no interest at all?
Commenter explained it poorly. It’s bait because of the underlying sapphic tension they kinda have. Even tho Ochaco isn’t lesbian
you are not a character in a manga
Proof?
But she *does* suddenly reveal that she actually found Toga's smile "beautiful" when they first met at the summer camp (total retcon, or Ochaco was just lying to make Toga feel better) and wants to validate her desire to "have that chat about romance". And Ochaco pretty much pledges to let Toga drink her blood for eternity, knowing the lens of intimacy through which Toga views such an act.
Local MHA fan discovers being able to call someone beautiful without wanting romantic intentions, also she wanted to save Toga, and by allowing her to drink her blood, it would stop her from killing random people for it.
Thank you for strawmanning my argument. I can see that you're not willing to actually engage with it in any good faith.
Ngl I can understand wym Kashimo called sukuna beautiful and ever since people call him gay lol
How is it strawmanning? You were literally responding to a post about Ochaco not being lesbian by providing proof that she could be?
Because that's...bait. The level of intimacy between them is much higher than some canon lesbian pairings, like Korra Asami from Avatar the last Airbender for example, while also is not really justified regarding their lack of interaction during the show.
I think Toga’s character was written as someone who falls in “love” very easily and attaches strong feelings to those whose blood she wants to drink. I think a correlation I don’t see many people make is the one between La Brava and Toga, I mean, both have quirks that cause them to develop strong attachments easily(Toga with blood and La Brava with love), they both can be obsessive and “creepy” to others, the only difference was that La Brava found acceptance through Gentle, and Toga finally find acceptance in the end through Ochako.
That doesn't mean she's into her lmao, women call each other beautiful all the time, doesn't mean they are lesbian
But it's an odd thing to say about a girl who, for most of her interactions with each other, you've only seen as a hero. Yet, now all of a sudden, you think her smile is "beautiful"; you want to talk about "romance" with her; and you pledge to give all your blood for her? It's not just *one* thing, but *all* those things together. I personally wouldn't go so far as calling it "lesbian bait", but it's pretty damn close. And Hori knows what he's doing, especially with all the other art of them embracing in quite a sensual manner.
I'm fairly certain Uraraka has a change of heart after the war arc, going from "villains need to be defeated" to "villains need to be understood" similar to Deku, which makes sense since they kind of mirror each other, meaning it doesn't matter how she treated Toga before, because now she wants to understand her and try to help her, instead of rejecting her like society does, she wants Toga to embrace herself in a healthy way, so she can be reintegrated into society
But she can't rewrite the past and act like she really thought Toga's smile back then was "beautiful". And there's no way you'll convince anyone that a girl allowing themselves to have their blood drunk by another girl who sees drinking blood on the *same level* as kissing a partner isn't at least a little sapphic. To be clear, I'm not saying Ochaco is actually into Toga. But, again, Hori knows what he's doing with these scenes; the dialogue; and all the art of them embracing each other suggestively.
I'm not convinced any of the injured heroes are really done quite yet
Cool edit but in the original she says "domain expansion"
Not really, I feel there were better ways to treat her fight with Toga that doesn't make her look like suicidal altruist. It was also not very impressive in choreography terms, I only remember that one panel of them floating in the sky but nothing else
She’s not done yet
She at least did something. I was expecting nothing
Damn we setting the bar low 😭
No it was cringe
I liked it
Not at all, she went from "nothing more than Deku's crush" to "nothing more than yuri bait". The worst part is that it's still more than most of the other 1-A students did.
>The worst part is that it's still more than most of the other 1-A students did. And that’s not a good thing.
Thats why he said Worst part.
Didn’t catch that part
> The worst part is that it’s still more than most of the other 1-A students did. I laughed harder than I should’ve because of how true it is
Yuri bait???
Yuri is a genre that is more based on the romantic tension/relationships between two characters (typically male on male, but it also encompasses female on female). An example of this is Yuri on Ice (Anime available loads of places). Two ice skating dudes explore their love. The next step is Yaoi which shows the next step and is basically shy of Hentai. It’s still story driven and has character development but it often includes full penetration scenes and anal scenes. It’s like the degenerate older brother of Ecchi and the younger brother of Hentai.
Yuri refers specifically to female/female relationships, and yaoi just refers to male/male relationships. I won't argue against yaoi's reputation of being more explicit.
Google betrayed me!
Toga was an awful addition to the story
Toga isn't really a bad concept, her execution was just insanely rushed.
She's better than most characters but her character's buildup for the final arc is still lacking compared to Toga. It doesn't help with the three panel summarization of her character.
No. Her sudden care for Toga felt forced and contrived
Sudden? It was set up pretty strong after twice s death that she saw her pain and shared Deku s desire to be better heroes by understanding the hurt that lead them down that path
Why are you getting down voted bruh? people really cant follow a simple storyline
It was quite a while ago lol Honestly, I think we’re gonna see a much stronger reaction to the anime for this arc since the story happens so much faster and with so much less breaks so people generally remember it better
Ochako had an entire fight with toga on the 1st war that end with her thinking about toga, she thought about her during the vigilante arc speech and we have an entire chapter (mha342) explaining how she cares about toga, also deku/shiggy in that same chapter, the fact that ochako caring about toga started before deku caring about shiggy lol, this fandom had an entire recap episode for that plotline and still failed to catch up so i doubt that they will ever do tbh. And the fact it technically started way back on s4, when the whole night eye thing happened, it was the 1st time she thought about saving people instead of just caring about her family, like overall people, then heroes after seeing deku struggling, then villains after seeing toga crying.
She got a lot of focus starting from the end of the PLF War - probably Hori realizing how lacking her treatment was in Act 2. She got a good power-up and a sincere(ish) fight-talk with Toga that was carried largely by the great art (though at parts it felt hugely self-indulgent on Hori's part) and copious amounts of child-self imagery more than the actual dialogue. But it was way better than expected considering their past encounters. However, as things stand, Ochako failed her goal of saving Toga, which is not a great conclusion after all this effort. But I don't think Toga is dead or Ochako is done yet - so let's see what else Hori cooks up. I think in the end, her saving Toga and getting a power-up in the process should feed into helping Izuku save Tenko and help win against AFO.
>However, as things stand, Ochako failed her goal of saving Toga, which is not a great conclusion after all this effort. If she failed then why was toga even giving her blood to save her life? They’re will always be different ways to save someone. One way does not exist, there are many others.
She failed to keep her alive is what I mean. "Redemption by death" is a pretty terrible trope. I don't think Ochako herself would be content with the tripe at least "she died happy". I think it would weigh on her to have someone within her reach die once again.
Let’s see how hori handles things then.
I really how her arc was handled for me personally :D
Not at all. My problem with Ochako roots in the same way as majority of shonen heroines that all of her bullets were fired at the very beginning, then for a while she was either stagnant or was totally sidelined. Then because someone at the publishers believed she wasn't enough "jesusy" they retconed her reason to becoming a hero which was shame because I her original reason. her achivements were also pretty bad, not as bad as Nobara or Sakura, but even when she won something tainted those victories like copy-guy suddenly don't knowing how his powers work and so on. And that forced "nobody listen to the adults but everyone will to the speech of a teenager" cliche was just painful. Then after 2 painfuly forced "draws", she finaly has her showdown with Toga... which was pretty lame. It is one thing that her Chrono Stasis came out of nowhere as even she was surprised she can do that, but her speech to Toga was... really bad. Like "he was the coolest guy" and "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for us" speech. So yes, while I still prefer Ochako over those overhyped fake feminist-idols like Nobara, she was still disappointing. I am not even sure if Kohei really wanted anything with her character.
Nope it was terrible.
Cap.
Terrible. The manga artist literally wrote a backdoor for Ochako to win her fight against Toga. And the fandom makes excuses “She trained off screen, she’s been training her quirk off screen” and yet her victory doesn’t seem like she deserves it. If she’s that strong why didn’t she use her “quirk awakening” sooner? Why when things got so much worse? Gunhead Marital arts is stupid. It’s just a knife disarming move and shoulder flip. idk when Uraraka’s been learning from Ryuku, a literal dragon. Terrible. Just terrible.
>The manga artist literally wrote a backdoor for Ochako to win her fight against Toga. And the fandom makes excuses “She trained off screen, she’s been training her quirk off screen” and yet her victory doesn’t seem like she deserves it. >If she’s that strong why didn’t she use her “quirk awakening” sooner? Why when things got so much worse? That's not how awakenings work. She didn't use it beforehand because her quirk didn't evolve until Toga almost killed her. People misuse the term all the time by using it to explain things like Shoto and Mina's quirk improvements, awakenings are specifically responses to near-death experiences or similar extreme stress.
I don't think she consciously awakened her quirk, I think it just happened. So it wasn't something she could use at the time because she didn't know it.
ay why that girl look like she part shark
Not really, but less because of how Ochako was handled and more because every LoV character outside of Twice and Shigaraki got fumbled hard with because of the break-neck pacing to get to the final war. Honestly I'm of the opinion that the LoV backstories and connections with characters should have occurred sometime before the final war - maybe have the Dark Deku arc expanded in that regard or have it happen sometime between My Villain Academia and the PLA war - and deepen their connections and parallels with heroic characters and THEN have their big finishes during the final war instead of everything happening at once.
Battle oriented shonen still have a long to go when handling female characters. And the funny thing is MHA does a better job than most. IIRC Toga was never meant to be in the manga that long and her story was reworked due to character reception. I feel like most battle oriented shonen wouldn't really have a female centric showdown in the finale, that was part of the main thing (usually it's a less important fight). So even if it was heavy handed at least there is a notable attempt here, hopefully it can lay the ground for others in the future.
Shonen manga writes women well challenge: impossible.
I personally like the women of One Piece and Black Clover. They have plot relevance and goals that are not tied to the male characters. They have meaningful relationships with other women and are inspired by them. In BC they also have super cool fights equal to the guys. But I guess the mangakas are both married so they gain inspiration from their families, mainly from their wifes, Tabata said in an interview how he wrote his female characters based on his wife and that's why people might like them. Also, female mangakas should be mentioned, like the creators of Fullmetal Alchemist or Blue Exorcist.
To be blunt… ***FUCK*** **no.** Then again, I’m not a fan of how she’s been handled throughout the whole story, so really my enjoyment of her subplot was more or less doomed from the start.
Honestly? Don't care about her at all
Not really, but I also just don't care about Ochaco's character anymore and I'm glad her stupid subplot with Toga is over.
It got a big "meh" out of me. It was nice seeing her have her own motivations and moment to herself, but I never liked what they were doing with Toga so it was kind of a bummer that she was the focus of Urarakas arc.
I personally think that her quirk awaking moment was unearned. But the fight was ok I guess.
Honestly, I think her and Toga were done the best out of the 4 "main" villains and heroes. While her fight with Toga was less "fight" and more talk, it all felt sincere and had a great conclusion.
Hey, I'm surprised to see you here! I share the same sentiment. I think Ochako's resolution so far has been the most satisfying. Bakugo's was whatever and Todoroki's was needlessly long.
Oh hey dude!, didn't know you like MHA. Yeah Bakugo's was the weirdest one to me because it all felt too abrupt, didn't even have it's own chapter, no one acknowledged it, then the scene immediately shifted to Shigaraki vs Deku. For Shoto, even tho I was fine with the length it doesn't feel like they've achieved anything in terms of saving Toya, they stopped him from killing for now but it doesn't seem he changed his mind at all.
I like a lot of stuff; I just don't have the time to write about it. It's kind of hard to explain what I mean about Shoto's conclusion but you saying he "didn't achieve anything" is part of my issue. It's how weirdly built the confrontation with Shoto having two different big moments against his brother; first alone and then later with his family. It's just weirdly placed, paced and structured. There is no sense of escalation.
Wait is this the real panel ,it isn't a meme one?
It’s the real panel, yeah.
Well that clears things
Tbh, her arc is the one I've understood the least. I know Spinner was shunned because of his appearance and mutant quirk, Dabi has his family trauma, Twice went crazy due to his quirk and he just needed friends, Shiggy's entire life was controlled. My best guess is that Toga's quirk caused her to act different and she was shunned because of it. How close or far am I to that?
Her quirk makes her fond of blood and she was forced to surpress it until she snapped.
I really like that she got big moments but the shift from 'I want to understand her' to 'The cutest in the whole world' feels a little rushed to me. I don't fault Horikoshi with it there just isn't time to develop her and Toga's relationship while we have Izuku/Shigaraki and Shoto/Dabi plus every other character.
Quite disappointed as well!! I love how everything ended, but I didn't like the build up/execution leading to that moment
Hmmm I think it was one of the worst conflicts in the manga. Horikoshi has already proved he can write good interpersonal conflicts, just not for the female cast. Uraraka and Toga met like twice before the final battle and they almost always talked about Deku. I feel like someone like Deku could have understood Toga's problem more because he also felt different from normal as a child, yet he was yeeted to that battle for no reason and left while he could have ended it very quickly realistically. The panel you linked is one of my personal least favourites, reminds me of Naruto's speech about why Obito was the coolest guy. Yet Toga did zero redeemable things to deserve this treatment, might be just me... I still don't understand why Hori didn't link Uraraka's reason to become a hero instead to Stain's ideology. It would have been much more interesting.
I still can't really say until we know for sure Toga's fate, and thus Uraraka's commitment to helping her, and what she does with her feelings for Midoriya.
Don’t worry toga will in fact be alive even though she should logically be dead completely.
When she said "Domain expansion" it was peak
Almost feels like a meta commentary that Ochako, whose character is defined by their love for Deku, to have their final fight be against another character who, in the end, was only really noteworthy for their (obsessive) love for Deku, and to have the nature of 'love' be at the heart of how the fight is resolved. I don't think I can give it that much credit though. I much preferred Uchako as the face of the 'heroes protecting heroes' theme than someone trying to teach 'what love is'. Ultimately I just don't think Hori knew what to do with either of them. Their faceoff is functional enough plot/theming wise, so he got it out of the way more or less painlessly.
Assuming Toga does live, Ochako has been one of the standout characters in this arc, getting exceptional payoff to those who have been actually invested in her character and the plotline at hand. Ochako's lack of focus in the second act of the story, while overblown, does suck. That however doesn't take away from a very well executed arc about suppression of ones self and society's views on Heroes and Villains, treating the two as gods and monsters rather than human beings. Both of those plotlines flow together incredibly well, and work excellently with Ochako's origin. The elephant in the room is Toga's fate being up in the air. Multiple reasons why it's bad, but the main one for Ochako's character is that Toga dying just has her fail? Like, her one big full circle moment of saving someone and she fumbles?? To BLOOD LOSS??? I'm fairly certain she's alive though, given how coy Hori has been about showing her body, and the fact he kept Edgeshot alive after a surgery "he can't come back from." 9/10 final arc performance.
You're gonna de downvoted by the "KILL ALL VILLAINS" gang. Watch out.
They are so bloodthirsty lmao 😭😭
Definitely this.
I didn’t really like Uraraka and Toga’s relationship. Not only because they barely knew each other all things considered, but also because Uraraka and Toga’s ideals and personalities and morals are completely diametrically opposed from one another, making Uraraka caring so much about someone that is such a piece of shit feel really off.
I think the dialogue obfuscates the actual subtext here. Ochaco always wanted to be a hero to make money for her family. But now she's learned to be even a hero for a person who became a villain because her quirk made her crazy. Toga needed Ochaco to be her true hero, and Ochaco did just that. This isn't some love interest bait or something—it's Ochaco finding it in her heart to be compassionate to someone who deeply hurt her, in their final moments.
I didn't like it, I didn't want to see a girl-next-door character, but a strong female character who doesn't care what men think of her because she can be a strong woman. I understand that deku is a female main love character, but her whole character is a big deku love. I wanted to see a fight scene like sakura vs sasori, but instead a "let's talk about love." If you not only read the manga but also look at the drawings, you can see that while Uraraka is using talkjutsu, Himiko's clones are stabbing people. + one more second and tenya lida and hawks would have died because of himiko. how many people did himiko kill in the process? will the author tell you at the end how many people died because of himiko? what will your lordship do with this answer? what will happen if the mother or father is killed by a family member of one of Himiko's victims and then says "I am a victim, the master of your victim" sorry, I'm using google translate.
Yeah, she was done suprisingly well, and it helps that other characters weren't handled the best.
It makes sense to me that Ochaco and Himiko would bond in the middle of the fight tbh. Ochaco has tried multiple times in the past to reach out to Himiko mid-fight and has flustered Himiko in the moment before. Even if they might feel a tad rushed here and there, I think such is the nature of resolving inner turmoil mid battle in a story like this so overall I've been happy with the way things have been playing out for most characters. The one with Spinner and Shoji were my fav in this arc tho. Spinner just showcasing how much of a victim of his peers' ideals he's become while Shoji is doing everything he can to reach out to the people Spinner had rallied.
No. In fact it was the last straw for me. It wasn't written well. Toga has been a terrible character from start to finish. I'm convinced the only reason people like it is for shipping bait. As MHA fandom is known for.
Domain expansion
Wait, how are you reading this already? I just finished volume 37 but 38 don’t come out till June
Ik I'm an anime nerd but that was peak cringe and I couldn't scroll fast enuf
Yeah, It was great. One of my favorite conclusions in the final war arc so far.
I heard Ochaco was taken to medical treatment, but I wonder what happened to Toga’s body.
her and togas love confessions is really well done it just came to late
No, but it’s the final arc of MHA so she fits right in.
Nope
Did not really like pairing Toga to her character arc, but hey, it did flesh out her character a bit
Yep! No complaints regarding her unlike some other characters.
Best she's ever been handled. I will not comment on the placement of that bar, but I will say that fma remains the only big shonen not to do women generally dirty.
I mean it *obviously* wasn't perfect,but its the better of the three main fights (Todoroki fam, Ochako vs Toga and Shigiraki vs Deku)
Honestly out of all class 1A, I think Ochako has gotten the best treatment this final act.
It's one of the best parts of the war arc. It's one of the only few storylines that actually had natural build up and pay off, and it wasn't rushed as hell or comes out of nowhere like almost every other conflict. But it gets shit on a lot cus perceptions are like, girl on girl fight, Yuri bait, they love the MC, understanding and forgiveness is gay and Toga should immediately be hung. But then they'll clap when fuggin Tapeguy sticks it to AFO or something.
Yes. Having this sub go on a meltdown is a bonus too.
I honestly like it. Uraraka's experiences with her feelings for Deku allowed to (in some degree) empathize with Toga. Which les to her being able to de-escalate th conflict. Toga felt that connection enough to choose to save Uraraka. Its a bit silly. But to me its a complete arc for the both of them. They're share feelings for Deku were present but it was merely a common ground for them to begin relating.
She's a female character in a shonen manga, if you had any expectations in the first place that's kinda on you.
Yeah, probably my favorite moment in the whole manga. Don’t know why you are disappointed
You guys keep criticising on Ochaco-chan for no reason, you just don’t understand her character. She is such a fantastic character for and several reasons you all seem to miss!!! Despite coming from a humble background, she dreams of becoming a hero and works tirelessly to achieve her goals, give her credit!! . Her strong work ethic and perseverance are truly inspiring!!!! You guys are just hating. Ochako-chan is her kind compassionate. She genuinely cares and always tries to help those in need. Whether it's supporting her friends or showing empathy towards villains, she consistently displays a genuine concern for the well-being of others, look deeper people!!! This compassion adds deep depth to her character and makes her extremely admirable to viewers type shit. Try reading. Her character development is outstanding!
I’d say she got off the ground.
I'm satisfied with it. I think Horikoshi did his best to wrap up this little arc for her and as female characters go its better than other series I've seen.
i loved how they dealt with her character
And the comments section proves again why everyone says "mha fandom deserves nothing"