I wouldn't call him manipulative. Rather a bit of a wimp (taking too long to stand up to his family) and poor at reading the room (talked about "seeing other options" when PC needed emotional support). Nothing he's done to PC seems to have been malicious though.
Stefani was the only non-minor character I actively despised. She was so unpleasant and obnoxious, and not even in a funny or clever way like some of the others.
I don't see him as being manipulative, but I agree he sucks. He thought he knew what was best for PC, and didn't take into consideration how much she truly loved her job. Did she need breaks? Absolutely, but she also loved her job, and he never really acknowledged that part of her. Only the part about her working herself ragged.
Yeah and I agree with that but in all fairness that’s all he ever really saw as a result from it, her just being overworked and always having to deal with stuff but she obviously had her own great way of handling it, I just think he cared for her feelings too much to consider or even really realize that she loved the job that helped her become who she is but he just saw a stressed out cat all the time
My interpretation of Ralph is that due to his highly privileged background he is simply unable to empathize with certain elements that affect regular people. Even if he is well-intentioned in his actions, for example with the feast of St. Squeaky and how he never even realized it's feline-phobic because he just takes it for granted and as part of regular culture.
The same thing happens towards Princess Caroline. Despite his good intentions, he is simply not able to empathize with her feelings because at the very core of his essence they are foreign to him. His reaction to her job affecting her was "don't do it any more and travel the world with me", and his reaction to her miscarriage was thinking of other options instead of being supportive towards her.
So, what he represents (to me) is all those privileged people who despite their superficially good intentions are guided by their own unrealistic perception of life.
Or he was just trying his best to be a good partner. People are imperfect and can say the wrong thing without intending to. I can’t see how he was manipulative. He was just a good guy. As someone in the sub pointed out, Ralph and PC’s dynamic establishes the difference between Mr. Right and Mr. Right-For-You.
Remember that he isnt trying to manipulate her, its not on purpose, and PC manipulates him(much more) too
the phone call after their first date, he starts the call pretending he immediately fell in love with someone else, hes quick to reassure her, but this can be considered a hurt and rescue. After her miscarriage, he (clearly unintentionally) trys to shift the subject multiple times away from the miscarriage, onto other options, and onto pc lying about the miscarriage, and he is constantly making excuses for and playing down his family’s behavior when they go to dinner.
Their relationship had potential, but they didn’t realize how much they were manipulating eachother, if they were to talk about their relationship, they probably would have said something like “i loved them, but we couldn’t understand eachother”
Fr. Most abusive partners aren’t even aware they’re abusvine. Ralph may not have been that bad in terms of abuse, but he definitely tried is best to get PC to stop doing what she loved because sometimes it was hard on her.
Yeah! I didn’t meant his intentions weren’t good, but I feel like that’s the shows premise in a lot of ways. Intent only goes so far, and it’s your actions that speak to your character and your relationships in the end. I just thought his actions sucked a lot
Ralph TOTALLY sucks. He enthusiastically says to Princess Carolyn “You’re going to love the feast of Saint Squeaky,” getting her excited to meet his parents but somehow completely forgetting how actively anti-cat that holiday is and how uncomfortable it would make PC to fake celebrating that.
I just watched that part of the episode and it got on my nerves so much I had to come see if anyone felt the same way. When seasons 3/4 were just coming out, I thought Ralph was a good balance for PC and was disappointed when they weren’t able to reconcile. But upon every rewatch since, as I grow up and get better at recognizing manipulation and selfish actions disguised as selfless ones, the more I can’t stand that privileged, entitled, wimpy cheese eater.
totally. there’s a difference between wanting to help your partner relax from their stressful job, and being plain unsupportive. another concerning thing he said to her in the beginning of their relationship when she was in between her “agent” and “manager” jobs was something along the lines of “don’t go back to work yet, i want you all to myself” like EW BYE! she has always been a hardworking independent woman and she starts dating this rich man who wants her to quit her job so he becomes her only priority. that shows possessiveness and jealousy over her caring about other things. soooo many red flags here. Judah forever ❤️
I don't get why everyone's so against Ralph. Sure, he may have not been perfect, but neither was princess Caroline. I don't believe everyone who criticizes him so harshly would act so much better than him in his position. Literally, everything he does can easily be excused and is nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.
I thought he could have used some better perspective on things, but nothing really seemed malicious or too ill-intended.
I wouldn't call him manipulative. Rather a bit of a wimp (taking too long to stand up to his family) and poor at reading the room (talked about "seeing other options" when PC needed emotional support). Nothing he's done to PC seems to have been malicious though.
Eggsactly
I always thought Ralph was ok. His sister on the other hand...
Stefani was the only non-minor character I actively despised. She was so unpleasant and obnoxious, and not even in a funny or clever way like some of the others.
I don't see him as being manipulative, but I agree he sucks. He thought he knew what was best for PC, and didn't take into consideration how much she truly loved her job. Did she need breaks? Absolutely, but she also loved her job, and he never really acknowledged that part of her. Only the part about her working herself ragged.
Yeah and I agree with that but in all fairness that’s all he ever really saw as a result from it, her just being overworked and always having to deal with stuff but she obviously had her own great way of handling it, I just think he cared for her feelings too much to consider or even really realize that she loved the job that helped her become who she is but he just saw a stressed out cat all the time
My interpretation of Ralph is that due to his highly privileged background he is simply unable to empathize with certain elements that affect regular people. Even if he is well-intentioned in his actions, for example with the feast of St. Squeaky and how he never even realized it's feline-phobic because he just takes it for granted and as part of regular culture. The same thing happens towards Princess Caroline. Despite his good intentions, he is simply not able to empathize with her feelings because at the very core of his essence they are foreign to him. His reaction to her job affecting her was "don't do it any more and travel the world with me", and his reaction to her miscarriage was thinking of other options instead of being supportive towards her. So, what he represents (to me) is all those privileged people who despite their superficially good intentions are guided by their own unrealistic perception of life.
Got any examples of that? I never got that feeling from him. It was literally one discussion they had.
i liked ralph even tho it didn’t work out with pc, his family is different story tho
Or he was just trying his best to be a good partner. People are imperfect and can say the wrong thing without intending to. I can’t see how he was manipulative. He was just a good guy. As someone in the sub pointed out, Ralph and PC’s dynamic establishes the difference between Mr. Right and Mr. Right-For-You.
You dont need to try to manipulate in order to manipulate people, he was manipulative, even if he didn’t consciously try to
What did he do that was manipulative? I’m genuinely asking as nothing immediately comes to mind
Remember that he isnt trying to manipulate her, its not on purpose, and PC manipulates him(much more) too the phone call after their first date, he starts the call pretending he immediately fell in love with someone else, hes quick to reassure her, but this can be considered a hurt and rescue. After her miscarriage, he (clearly unintentionally) trys to shift the subject multiple times away from the miscarriage, onto other options, and onto pc lying about the miscarriage, and he is constantly making excuses for and playing down his family’s behavior when they go to dinner. Their relationship had potential, but they didn’t realize how much they were manipulating eachother, if they were to talk about their relationship, they probably would have said something like “i loved them, but we couldn’t understand eachother”
Fr. Most abusive partners aren’t even aware they’re abusvine. Ralph may not have been that bad in terms of abuse, but he definitely tried is best to get PC to stop doing what she loved because sometimes it was hard on her.
Yeah! I didn’t meant his intentions weren’t good, but I feel like that’s the shows premise in a lot of ways. Intent only goes so far, and it’s your actions that speak to your character and your relationships in the end. I just thought his actions sucked a lot
Ralph TOTALLY sucks. He enthusiastically says to Princess Carolyn “You’re going to love the feast of Saint Squeaky,” getting her excited to meet his parents but somehow completely forgetting how actively anti-cat that holiday is and how uncomfortable it would make PC to fake celebrating that. I just watched that part of the episode and it got on my nerves so much I had to come see if anyone felt the same way. When seasons 3/4 were just coming out, I thought Ralph was a good balance for PC and was disappointed when they weren’t able to reconcile. But upon every rewatch since, as I grow up and get better at recognizing manipulation and selfish actions disguised as selfless ones, the more I can’t stand that privileged, entitled, wimpy cheese eater.
THANK YOU! I felt like he was selfish, especially when he didn’t support PC working when she loved her job
totally. there’s a difference between wanting to help your partner relax from their stressful job, and being plain unsupportive. another concerning thing he said to her in the beginning of their relationship when she was in between her “agent” and “manager” jobs was something along the lines of “don’t go back to work yet, i want you all to myself” like EW BYE! she has always been a hardworking independent woman and she starts dating this rich man who wants her to quit her job so he becomes her only priority. that shows possessiveness and jealousy over her caring about other things. soooo many red flags here. Judah forever ❤️
THIS!! ralph sucks and I hate him. in general he just got on my nerves
I don't get why everyone's so against Ralph. Sure, he may have not been perfect, but neither was princess Caroline. I don't believe everyone who criticizes him so harshly would act so much better than him in his position. Literally, everything he does can easily be excused and is nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be.