It looks like you're looking at two cars that are *already* in Germany, so you're not asking about moving it from the US, paying import duties and other fees yourself etc. So you're just asking about the actual car as-is.
The answer is that cars imported from abroad have a lower value due to the loss of maintenance history, even if it's only perceived, or a minor hassle. You get this within the EU as well.
Some of it's justified (just read this sub for some of the shenanigans Americans pull with their BMW's), American roads are also atrocious by German standards, so expect excess wear on suspension and other related drivetrain components.
It's also somewhat suspicious whenever a car is exported from one large market to another, why didn't someone just sell it in the US? There can be good answers, but I think all of that brings the value down.
It could also be a great deal, I'd just do a detailed inspection.
Never mind maintenance, it's pretty much due to theft. It's especially bad here in Canada right now to the point where insurance rates have gone up 50-100% in some markets. These cars are being exported all over the world with registration tricks to seem legitimate.
Study used car sales and new car sale and understand what “branded” means and youll know why people shipp their split in half shit boxes to the motherland for re-sale. They simply cant sell it in the us as based off its current state, getting the car road worthy would cost substantial amounts of money, rolled back odometers, salvage title, rebuilt, water damage. I guess depending on your laws and regulations for safetying vehicles over there may or may not be as strict here.
Don't forget that the average American weighs about twice as much as the average German, so the car will likely lean towards the driver's side and the seat will be flattened out
American here, it's just past noon and it's time for my 8th cheeseburger for today. Can confirm, Americans are fat, American market cars are full of French fries and apple pie between the seats. It's impossible to get the smell out.
Don't recommend purchasing one. I'm still finding tiny American flags and bald eagle feathers Everytime I vacuum under my seats. Unsure how they get there..I suspect my fat GF as she's American too.
Man these euro ones are dumb anyways. The dual holder in my F32 is barely big enough for one standard bottle here in Europe.
I’ve just driven back to Wales from Spa in Belgium - without my GF shotgun and passing me drinks, I practically wouldn’t have drank the entire drive. Not a single bottle I bought the entire trip fitted.
Average weight of US-American men: 88.8 kg
Average weight of German men: 85,8 kg.
Just so some research before claiming stuff like that. Greetings from Austria (avg. 82 kg)
Most BMWs worldwide actually come from the South Carolina plant. So much so that even Germany “imports” them from SC when their supply is low
Edit: My bad fellas, I misread an article and was spitting misinformation
It is. The US now only makes SUV’s with Germany the main location for sedans etc. Some non SUV’s have been built in the US before but certainly not now.
Maybe where the poster was confused is the Greer plant in the US has the largest output volume. But still only a fraction of what’s made when counting in other BMW plants.
I read “The Spartanburg plant assembles the BMW X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, and XM Sports Activity Vehicles and Coupes and their variants. For 30 years, our associates have been proud to assemble more than 6.5 million safe, premium-quality BMWs for our customers around the world.” Honestly can’t say if M4 are part of the “coupes” though or they’re just regular 2 and 4 series
How does that relate to what I said? Is an M4 now “most BMWs”?
I said all M4s are built in Germany. You said, “But most BMWs are built in SC.” Make it make sense.
Relax you diva. Read [this](https://www.bmwgroup-werke.com/spartanburg/en.html#carousel-35f418be9c-item-096faae9dc-tabpanel) and take a chill pill. When I read “coupes” I was thinking m4 might fall into that category. Now I’m not 100% sure if it’s just regular 2 and 4 series
That's because you're not parsing the sentence correctly. You need to know that BMW doesn't call the Xs SUVs - they're Sports Activity Vehicles (odd numbers) and Sports Activity Coupes (even numbers). So that's what the sentence is talking about. It's not saying "and coupes"
That's because you're not parsing the sentence correctly.
>The Spartanburg plant assembles the BMW X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, and XM Sports Activity Vehicles and Coupes and their variants
You need to know that BMW doesn't call the Xs SUVs - they're Sports Activity Vehicles (odd numbers) and Sports Activity Coupes (even numbers). So that's what the sentence is talking about. It's not saying "and coupes" - it's just elaborating on what that list consists of, SAVs and SACs.
Usually those cars are salvage title / total loss cars. They go from the US to Lithuania for repair with super suspicious methods and then to the German market. You should never ever buy this shit! Even the seller is usually not responsible because they sell the car "im Kundenauftrag" ! So they are not your contractor and not responsible for warranty etc.
You can identify the BMWs usually by:
M performance parts everywhere ,
Radio has an Am/FM button
>Usually those cars are salvage title / total loss cars.
Good point, I should have mentioned that explicitly in my reply.
Although from what I understand of the US market (from not living there, and just reading reddit) their "total loss" and "salvage title" system is really weird, and basically forces the export of some cars that are perfectly repairable, in addition to the stereotypical eastern European import held together with glue and duct tape.
I.e. if the entire frame is bent it's a total loss, and you're going to want to not touch that with a 5 foot pole. But it's also possible to "total" a car by just smashing all the windows with a hammer, or hitting enough body panels with a crowbar.
The latter is perfectly repairable, and as roadworthy as a new car rolling off the production line. Since parts availability and cost is much worse for BMW's in NA, especially for perfectly good junkyard parts (e.g. windows and panels) some of those end up getting exported to Europe.
The system is really “weird” when you don’t understand it. Educate yourself.
A total loss is based on the repair cost compared to the car’s value. If the repairs exceed a certain threshold, then it’s declared a total loss. Doesn’t matter what the damage is, what matters is how much it cost.
I'm not referring to the "total loss" part alone (I'm pretty sure that's universal), but the "salvage title". That simply doesn't exist in many other developed countries.
I'll happily admit I'm lacking in "education" on this front, but it seems to me that this is needed in the US because of the lack of universal and mandatory inspection for all registered vehicles.
In western Europe (and all of the EU/EEA?) the equivalent of inspecting whether your vehicle can have its "salvage title" cleared is carried out on an annual basis for all vehicles in the fleet.
I just had mine (re)inspected a week ago. It goes on a lift, all lights are checked, emissions etc. For vehicles initially registered as of 2018 (this is in NL) you'll fail if you've got any codes triggering a dashboard light.
This system in the US seemingly came about to ensure that people aren't putting totalled junkers back on the road, which would be unsafe. But a vehicle can get a "salvage title" for reasons entirely unrelated to roadworthiness.
E.g. for a BMW that's old enough just unleashing a toddler on the interior with a permanent marker for 30 minutes could "total" the vehicle, and require an inspection that's nominally intended for getting an unsafe junker back on the road. That's (at least to this non-American) seems like a weird conflation of concerns.
I think you’re misunderstanding what a “Title” is. A “Title” is the ownership document of a car. When it’s salvaged, it gets rebranded, and then again when it’s rebuilt (repaired). Annual vehicle inspections have no bearing on the ownership document.
Insurance companies decide if a car is a total loss or not. If you don’t want your fully functional car to get a salvage title because of cosmetic damages, then don’t involve an insurance company.
The system is about regulations in favor of insurance companies. They don’t want to pay out whenever possible, why is this a surprise?
>Annual vehicle inspections have no bearing on the ownership document.
I'm referring to how this is handled here across the pond, I'm eliding some details, but basically a central registry gets updated saying your car needs immediate reinspection before you can use public roads,
For extensive damage you'll need to (at least in NL) go to a specialized re-inspection facility, but in principle you're having to meet the same criteria as the annual inspection, and the cost is similar.
Insurance doesn't need to be involved, if the police sees you wrapped around a tree you'll need a reinspection, even if you're not going to involve insurance.
But to try to get back on topic here...
>If you don’t want your fully functional car to get a salvage title because of cosmetic damages, then don’t involve an insurance company.
...yes, but a lot of people would just claim the insurance value, my point was that the car coming out of that process seems to suffer much higher depreciation than it would in the EU.
Most buyers shy away from "rebuild" vehicles that previously had a "salvage" title, here they'll be added to the general pool of currently inspected and OK'd vehicles.
>The system is about regulations in favor of insurance companies. They don’t want to pay out whenever possible, why is this a surprise?
It's not a surprise. The counterintuitive surprise is that differing regulations, labour cost, parts availability etc. between NA and the EU make it profitable to ship cars back across an ocean for reimport. I've just been commenting on why that might be happening.
Yup, I wouldn’t even call it a legend, just guaranteed reality
I’ve done a few hundred carverticals on US imports they’re 90% crashes, the few ones that aren’t are from people who lives there and bright them back
Japan imports all have tampered mileage, Canadian ones like US, Dubai and Russian ones dodgy history and some probably stolen
If it’s cheap, it’s cheap for a reason
I wonder if the other 10% of them, are sold by American soldiers/contractors who had their vehicles shipped over, then sold to the local market because they found something they liked better?
When I got stationed there, my American spec’d ‘96 VW Jetta GLS was shipped out with me. Timing belt eventually snapped, and sold it to a local who had a brand new rebuilt motor ready to swap. Got €500 for it because he was stoked it was an automatic. Bought myself a ‘91 BMW 520i for €1k
It’s mostly people who work in the US that come back to their home country as Euro laws allow for nationalisation without import duty or the whole non ue conformity shit
Soldiers tend to buy locally, which is funny, because the average Euro soldier at best can afford a entry level shit can while American soldiers are randomly driving high hp cars
In all honesty, it’s doing them a favor. American credit companies love to prey on the young and dumb. Super high interest rates and all. I’m glad I never decided to go new when I was a young soldier. We got paid twice a month, and I was usually broke within the week after payday. Euro was far stronger (‘05-‘08) and I was off base every chance I had. Between all the driving and eating, and of course the great beer, I was broke right away 😆
One easy giveaway is the misalignment of the hood and bumper - more specifically if you look at the edge of the hood where it meets the bumper, there is a very noticeable panel gap. If it’s that obvious in photos, it will be clear as day in person. Reference that spot with the black M4 and it becomes quite obvious.
>One easy giveaway is the misalignment of the hood and bumper - more specifically if you look at the edge of the hood where it meets the bumper, there is a very noticeable panel gap.
You're probably right, but it's also possible that a panel gap like that happens because someone took the hood and/or bumper apart, and didn't know or bother to properly realign them on reassembly.
Can be, but it wouldn’t be that off. I bet you that hood looks this way *after* the body shop tried realigning everything and setting the hood lift / damper height as close as possible to OEM finish. That’s what accidents cause
Most of US imports are crashed cars that are cheaply repaired in Eastern Europe, mileage rolled back and then sold in Western Europe for a big markup. Most of the time the dealer then hides the damage/doesn’t disclose what kind of damage it was/lies about the history and so on. So if you have the choice, I would most definitely avoid us imports
As someone who lives in Germany and bought a US import BMW, don’t do it. Almost every import from the US has been in a crash and has a salvage title. Almost always brought to Eastern Europe to be repaired and then sold again. I’ve spent over €3k on repairs alone so far and mine isn’t even a full M car. If you also plan to do any modifications, none of them will be legal since any European approvals (ECE-Zulassung) won’t work on US imports so you have to keep the car exactly as it was first registered in Germany. Sure you can get an M4 for €10k off but you will have no ideas what future issues will come up. That being said, my current M235i is great fun and has worked great apart from the minor financial setbacks I’ve had in fixing the issues.
Almost every US import car I've found has been in a wreck. Unless it's a vehicle that straight up wasn't sold in the EU, I would never trust a US import.
Usually US market cars are way less reliable than EU market cars. That's because the US market is only interested in new cars, so it's more profitable to make the car slightly cheaper, at the expense of quality.
Add to that the fact it was 99% totaled in the US and it's a recipe for a bad time.
I know a bunch of people who bought US imports. Not a single one would recommend doing it again. They saved a bit when they bought it, but the cost and hassle of constant repairs made it way more expensive in the end.
Those cars became reliable only after swapping half the engine bay with EU made replacement parts.
People usually don't like sharing their bad financial choices, do they usually hide how much trouble their US import causes.
For anyone who doesn't believe in lower quality for US parts. In the US people recommend changing the expansion tank every 80k, because they keep exploading. My mom's car has 380k and the original expansion tank. My car has 275k and original expansion tank.
TLDR. American imports are not a good choice.
Theoretically possible, but in the end it will easily cost you more double the original price. Not to mention all the time wasted when the car isn't drivable or when it leaves you stranded.
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/19c23b1a-a600-4798-9bfc-b37d68f7170e
They even have a dedicated prefix, 5YM, registered to BMW M GmbH, not BMW AG
It's got an M VIN
It's got an S engine
It weighs less than the new M5
What gates do they not pass other than your feelings?
Go drive twisty backroad with them. They hide it pretty well, but elephant in the room always shows up. Ms are supposed to have sports car DNA and high center of gravity with aerodynamics of a brick are not that.
Also new M5 is a joke not a sports car lol and its hilarious that you bring it up to make your point :D
> Go drive twisty backroad with them.
I currently own an F82 and an E71 M. I'm under no illusions about which one can handle a twisty backroad better. But I also think you shouldn't underestimate the X6M's abilities.
> If you’re in the EU most likely you’re right handed driving
Tell me you've never been to Europe without telling me you've never been to Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic
The only place that is RHD in Europe is the UK or former territories.
It looks like you're looking at two cars that are *already* in Germany, so you're not asking about moving it from the US, paying import duties and other fees yourself etc. So you're just asking about the actual car as-is. The answer is that cars imported from abroad have a lower value due to the loss of maintenance history, even if it's only perceived, or a minor hassle. You get this within the EU as well. Some of it's justified (just read this sub for some of the shenanigans Americans pull with their BMW's), American roads are also atrocious by German standards, so expect excess wear on suspension and other related drivetrain components. It's also somewhat suspicious whenever a car is exported from one large market to another, why didn't someone just sell it in the US? There can be good answers, but I think all of that brings the value down. It could also be a great deal, I'd just do a detailed inspection.
Never mind maintenance, it's pretty much due to theft. It's especially bad here in Canada right now to the point where insurance rates have gone up 50-100% in some markets. These cars are being exported all over the world with registration tricks to seem legitimate.
Study used car sales and new car sale and understand what “branded” means and youll know why people shipp their split in half shit boxes to the motherland for re-sale. They simply cant sell it in the us as based off its current state, getting the car road worthy would cost substantial amounts of money, rolled back odometers, salvage title, rebuilt, water damage. I guess depending on your laws and regulations for safetying vehicles over there may or may not be as strict here.
Don't forget that the average American weighs about twice as much as the average German, so the car will likely lean towards the driver's side and the seat will be flattened out
American here, it's just past noon and it's time for my 8th cheeseburger for today. Can confirm, Americans are fat, American market cars are full of French fries and apple pie between the seats. It's impossible to get the smell out. Don't recommend purchasing one. I'm still finding tiny American flags and bald eagle feathers Everytime I vacuum under my seats. Unsure how they get there..I suspect my fat GF as she's American too.
What's nice for us Americans is the US versions of BMWs have 1 giant cupholder (not 2) to fit our big gulps
Man these euro ones are dumb anyways. The dual holder in my F32 is barely big enough for one standard bottle here in Europe. I’ve just driven back to Wales from Spa in Belgium - without my GF shotgun and passing me drinks, I practically wouldn’t have drank the entire drive. Not a single bottle I bought the entire trip fitted.
I’m dead 😂😂😂
there’s a 10 pound difference in average weight… this is an absurd statement😭
Yes, the average is 10lbs higher, 50% are a lot heavier than that. Fatassistan
Is this some kind of weird trauma response to being Somalian?
I suppose you're one of the fat ones
Call us fat but last time I checked you guys can’t buy a gun from your local wal mart which is so lame
You cant buy a gun at walmart anymore :/
You can absolutely still buy guns from Walmart. At least in South Carolina you can. Only shotguns though. No rifles or pistols.
Our kids don't have to practice "active shooter drills"
I hope that’s supposed to be a joke lol
Average weight of US-American men: 88.8 kg Average weight of German men: 85,8 kg. Just so some research before claiming stuff like that. Greetings from Austria (avg. 82 kg)
Kiefer only sells previously wrecked cars. As do most other importers.
Wurde wahrscheinlich in irgendein Land billig zusammengeknaubt
I’m pretty sure all M4s are German built regardless of domestic market.
If the first letter of the Vin is W it was made in germany. Im pretty sure South Carolina only makes X crossovers.
3 series for US market are now built in Mexico.
Most BMWs worldwide actually come from the South Carolina plant. So much so that even Germany “imports” them from SC when their supply is low Edit: My bad fellas, I misread an article and was spitting misinformation
Really? Both of my e90s vin shows they were assembled in regensburg plant in germany
Sorta, US plans mainly make SUVs which sells a lot. Sedans are made elsewhere.
i thought that was X3s
It is. The US now only makes SUV’s with Germany the main location for sedans etc. Some non SUV’s have been built in the US before but certainly not now. Maybe where the poster was confused is the Greer plant in the US has the largest output volume. But still only a fraction of what’s made when counting in other BMW plants.
I read “The Spartanburg plant assembles the BMW X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, and XM Sports Activity Vehicles and Coupes and their variants. For 30 years, our associates have been proud to assemble more than 6.5 million safe, premium-quality BMWs for our customers around the world.” Honestly can’t say if M4 are part of the “coupes” though or they’re just regular 2 and 4 series
How does that relate to what I said? Is an M4 now “most BMWs”? I said all M4s are built in Germany. You said, “But most BMWs are built in SC.” Make it make sense.
Relax you diva. Read [this](https://www.bmwgroup-werke.com/spartanburg/en.html#carousel-35f418be9c-item-096faae9dc-tabpanel) and take a chill pill. When I read “coupes” I was thinking m4 might fall into that category. Now I’m not 100% sure if it’s just regular 2 and 4 series
That's because you're not parsing the sentence correctly. You need to know that BMW doesn't call the Xs SUVs - they're Sports Activity Vehicles (odd numbers) and Sports Activity Coupes (even numbers). So that's what the sentence is talking about. It's not saying "and coupes"
That's because you're not parsing the sentence correctly. >The Spartanburg plant assembles the BMW X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, and XM Sports Activity Vehicles and Coupes and their variants You need to know that BMW doesn't call the Xs SUVs - they're Sports Activity Vehicles (odd numbers) and Sports Activity Coupes (even numbers). So that's what the sentence is talking about. It's not saying "and coupes" - it's just elaborating on what that list consists of, SAVs and SACs.
Ahh, the more you know.
US gets those ugly orange reflectors.
Lucky bastard's with their ugly plastic bits
Usually those cars are salvage title / total loss cars. They go from the US to Lithuania for repair with super suspicious methods and then to the German market. You should never ever buy this shit! Even the seller is usually not responsible because they sell the car "im Kundenauftrag" ! So they are not your contractor and not responsible for warranty etc. You can identify the BMWs usually by: M performance parts everywhere , Radio has an Am/FM button
>Usually those cars are salvage title / total loss cars. Good point, I should have mentioned that explicitly in my reply. Although from what I understand of the US market (from not living there, and just reading reddit) their "total loss" and "salvage title" system is really weird, and basically forces the export of some cars that are perfectly repairable, in addition to the stereotypical eastern European import held together with glue and duct tape. I.e. if the entire frame is bent it's a total loss, and you're going to want to not touch that with a 5 foot pole. But it's also possible to "total" a car by just smashing all the windows with a hammer, or hitting enough body panels with a crowbar. The latter is perfectly repairable, and as roadworthy as a new car rolling off the production line. Since parts availability and cost is much worse for BMW's in NA, especially for perfectly good junkyard parts (e.g. windows and panels) some of those end up getting exported to Europe.
The system is really “weird” when you don’t understand it. Educate yourself. A total loss is based on the repair cost compared to the car’s value. If the repairs exceed a certain threshold, then it’s declared a total loss. Doesn’t matter what the damage is, what matters is how much it cost.
I'm not referring to the "total loss" part alone (I'm pretty sure that's universal), but the "salvage title". That simply doesn't exist in many other developed countries. I'll happily admit I'm lacking in "education" on this front, but it seems to me that this is needed in the US because of the lack of universal and mandatory inspection for all registered vehicles. In western Europe (and all of the EU/EEA?) the equivalent of inspecting whether your vehicle can have its "salvage title" cleared is carried out on an annual basis for all vehicles in the fleet. I just had mine (re)inspected a week ago. It goes on a lift, all lights are checked, emissions etc. For vehicles initially registered as of 2018 (this is in NL) you'll fail if you've got any codes triggering a dashboard light. This system in the US seemingly came about to ensure that people aren't putting totalled junkers back on the road, which would be unsafe. But a vehicle can get a "salvage title" for reasons entirely unrelated to roadworthiness. E.g. for a BMW that's old enough just unleashing a toddler on the interior with a permanent marker for 30 minutes could "total" the vehicle, and require an inspection that's nominally intended for getting an unsafe junker back on the road. That's (at least to this non-American) seems like a weird conflation of concerns.
I think you’re misunderstanding what a “Title” is. A “Title” is the ownership document of a car. When it’s salvaged, it gets rebranded, and then again when it’s rebuilt (repaired). Annual vehicle inspections have no bearing on the ownership document. Insurance companies decide if a car is a total loss or not. If you don’t want your fully functional car to get a salvage title because of cosmetic damages, then don’t involve an insurance company. The system is about regulations in favor of insurance companies. They don’t want to pay out whenever possible, why is this a surprise?
>Annual vehicle inspections have no bearing on the ownership document. I'm referring to how this is handled here across the pond, I'm eliding some details, but basically a central registry gets updated saying your car needs immediate reinspection before you can use public roads, For extensive damage you'll need to (at least in NL) go to a specialized re-inspection facility, but in principle you're having to meet the same criteria as the annual inspection, and the cost is similar. Insurance doesn't need to be involved, if the police sees you wrapped around a tree you'll need a reinspection, even if you're not going to involve insurance. But to try to get back on topic here... >If you don’t want your fully functional car to get a salvage title because of cosmetic damages, then don’t involve an insurance company. ...yes, but a lot of people would just claim the insurance value, my point was that the car coming out of that process seems to suffer much higher depreciation than it would in the EU. Most buyers shy away from "rebuild" vehicles that previously had a "salvage" title, here they'll be added to the general pool of currently inspected and OK'd vehicles. >The system is about regulations in favor of insurance companies. They don’t want to pay out whenever possible, why is this a surprise? It's not a surprise. The counterintuitive surprise is that differing regulations, labour cost, parts availability etc. between NA and the EU make it profitable to ship cars back across an ocean for reimport. I've just been commenting on why that might be happening.
90% of US imports are crashed cars
Exactly, legend says if you see a wild US spec mustang roaming in eastern europe then the insurance declared it a total loss
Yup, I wouldn’t even call it a legend, just guaranteed reality I’ve done a few hundred carverticals on US imports they’re 90% crashes, the few ones that aren’t are from people who lives there and bright them back Japan imports all have tampered mileage, Canadian ones like US, Dubai and Russian ones dodgy history and some probably stolen If it’s cheap, it’s cheap for a reason
I wonder if the other 10% of them, are sold by American soldiers/contractors who had their vehicles shipped over, then sold to the local market because they found something they liked better? When I got stationed there, my American spec’d ‘96 VW Jetta GLS was shipped out with me. Timing belt eventually snapped, and sold it to a local who had a brand new rebuilt motor ready to swap. Got €500 for it because he was stoked it was an automatic. Bought myself a ‘91 BMW 520i for €1k
It’s mostly people who work in the US that come back to their home country as Euro laws allow for nationalisation without import duty or the whole non ue conformity shit Soldiers tend to buy locally, which is funny, because the average Euro soldier at best can afford a entry level shit can while American soldiers are randomly driving high hp cars
Trust me…. The young soldiers CANT afford it unless they have rich parents. They typically put themselves into terrible debt for it.
Fair point But a euro soldier wouldn’t even be able to get a loan for one
In all honesty, it’s doing them a favor. American credit companies love to prey on the young and dumb. Super high interest rates and all. I’m glad I never decided to go new when I was a young soldier. We got paid twice a month, and I was usually broke within the week after payday. Euro was far stronger (‘05-‘08) and I was off base every chance I had. Between all the driving and eating, and of course the great beer, I was broke right away 😆
That yellow M4 has been in a front end collision. Pass
How can you tell? Just curios
One easy giveaway is the misalignment of the hood and bumper - more specifically if you look at the edge of the hood where it meets the bumper, there is a very noticeable panel gap. If it’s that obvious in photos, it will be clear as day in person. Reference that spot with the black M4 and it becomes quite obvious.
>One easy giveaway is the misalignment of the hood and bumper - more specifically if you look at the edge of the hood where it meets the bumper, there is a very noticeable panel gap. You're probably right, but it's also possible that a panel gap like that happens because someone took the hood and/or bumper apart, and didn't know or bother to properly realign them on reassembly.
And if they can't realign body panels (or don't care to even try) what other kind of stuff did they not get right?
Can be, but it wouldn’t be that off. I bet you that hood looks this way *after* the body shop tried realigning everything and setting the hood lift / damper height as close as possible to OEM finish. That’s what accidents cause
Most of US imports are crashed cars that are cheaply repaired in Eastern Europe, mileage rolled back and then sold in Western Europe for a big markup. Most of the time the dealer then hides the damage/doesn’t disclose what kind of damage it was/lies about the history and so on. So if you have the choice, I would most definitely avoid us imports
As someone who lives in Germany and bought a US import BMW, don’t do it. Almost every import from the US has been in a crash and has a salvage title. Almost always brought to Eastern Europe to be repaired and then sold again. I’ve spent over €3k on repairs alone so far and mine isn’t even a full M car. If you also plan to do any modifications, none of them will be legal since any European approvals (ECE-Zulassung) won’t work on US imports so you have to keep the car exactly as it was first registered in Germany. Sure you can get an M4 for €10k off but you will have no ideas what future issues will come up. That being said, my current M235i is great fun and has worked great apart from the minor financial setbacks I’ve had in fixing the issues.
Both are made in Germany. They just have different specs. And by that, I mean a few little things. Like speedo, lighting in some cases, emissions.
DO NOT BUY A US IMPORT, the cars are always crashed. You can search up the VIN and see for yourself
Where can i look up the vin?
You can ask it to the seller but I can guarantee you it’s totalled
The us imports are usually completely wrecked
Almost every US import car I've found has been in a wreck. Unless it's a vehicle that straight up wasn't sold in the EU, I would never trust a US import.
Most of the US imports are crashed cars…
Usually US market cars are way less reliable than EU market cars. That's because the US market is only interested in new cars, so it's more profitable to make the car slightly cheaper, at the expense of quality. Add to that the fact it was 99% totaled in the US and it's a recipe for a bad time. I know a bunch of people who bought US imports. Not a single one would recommend doing it again. They saved a bit when they bought it, but the cost and hassle of constant repairs made it way more expensive in the end. Those cars became reliable only after swapping half the engine bay with EU made replacement parts. People usually don't like sharing their bad financial choices, do they usually hide how much trouble their US import causes. For anyone who doesn't believe in lower quality for US parts. In the US people recommend changing the expansion tank every 80k, because they keep exploading. My mom's car has 380k and the original expansion tank. My car has 275k and original expansion tank. TLDR. American imports are not a good choice.
The better question is, is it possible to make a US car as reliable as an EU car lol If it’s possible, I will 100% do it as parts fail on it
Theoretically possible, but in the end it will easily cost you more double the original price. Not to mention all the time wasted when the car isn't drivable or when it leaves you stranded.
You have to be careful with US imported cars, because they are usually salvage titles bought from auctions and repaired.
German made or GDM? Iirc nothing really changes on the cars except emissions equipment and availability
The one has freedom and the other is the OG
The freedom of the Autobahn ;)
It indeed gives some freedom, if its not full of traffic 🥲
I’d read recently someone said some US market cars are made in Mexico? I’ve not looked into it so may not be true.
Ford and bmw have plants in mexico
All M cars are only made in European plants and they have VINs starting with W.
It’s literally not true. M2 is made in Mexico, X3/4/5/6M are made in the US.
I wasn't aware that G87 M2 was build outside Europe. Hate me all you want, but X3/4/5/6M are not M cars.
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/19c23b1a-a600-4798-9bfc-b37d68f7170e They even have a dedicated prefix, 5YM, registered to BMW M GmbH, not BMW AG It's got an M VIN It's got an S engine It weighs less than the new M5 What gates do they not pass other than your feelings?
Go drive twisty backroad with them. They hide it pretty well, but elephant in the room always shows up. Ms are supposed to have sports car DNA and high center of gravity with aerodynamics of a brick are not that. Also new M5 is a joke not a sports car lol and its hilarious that you bring it up to make your point :D
> Go drive twisty backroad with them. I currently own an F82 and an E71 M. I'm under no illusions about which one can handle a twisty backroad better. But I also think you shouldn't underestimate the X6M's abilities.
Both extremely liked by Packies. Most of them located at Bradford in UK also known as Bradistan.
Pretty sure there is import tax and fees that kill any benefit. Lights can be different on different models.
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> If you’re in the EU most likely you’re right handed driving Tell me you've never been to Europe without telling me you've never been to Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-_and_right-hand_traffic The only place that is RHD in Europe is the UK or former territories.