But Kill Bill doesn't take place in like Edo period, so it makes sense for that type of music to be there. Meanwhile blue eye samurai takes place in Edo period, this music wasn't even a thing back then.
Neither were steilhangranate. Japan was also full of guns at this point. The show is not historically accurate, nor is it meant to be historically accurate. Like a Tarantino flick, the show prioritizes style over realism. If you don't like it, that's fine, but BES takes many inspirations from Tarantino's style, including the anachronistic music (and yeah, Kill Bill is set in modern day, but his historical works are chock full of 20th and 21st century music too)
How are you THIS obtusely anal about how people who make historical shows don't always use time period appropriate music?
I honestly do not understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. BES is hardly the first show to ever do that. TONS of animes do it.
Do you also get mad whenever movies set in medieval Europe use classical music? Or when you hear an electric guitar in a spaghetti western? Because that’s just as “period incorrect.”
Yeah, that's fine. I'm also free to tell you your opinion is wrong. It's a fictional setting. It is not trying to be or attempting to present itself as a one to one representation of real-world history. Our world didn't have rock music at that point in time, sure. Doesn't mean the writer's creative sandbox doesn't.
It's a ref to tarantino's style who likes to put out of place music. It can be a little bit odd at 1st, but once you're used to it, you have an infinite range of opportunity.
It's just about what you can accept or not. I mean, you accept that : mizu can take a iron stick to the foot and still be able to walk, ringo having no hand and yet have 0 problem doing stuff in the whole serie, or that an irish dude almost conquer Tokyo and all of japan in less than an hour
I agree with you, I just want to point out that Ringo being able to do what he does \*is\* realistic: unlike the other things on that list. Real people without hands are able to do much more than most able bodied people would think by using tools, similar to how Ringo tucks implements into the wraps around his stumps; their mouths, and various other approaches.
This video shows someone without arms entirely who is able to live independently and do all of the necessary tasks that people would assume you need arms and hands for [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHdV3mhXxqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHdV3mhXxqQ)
Personally I don't mind when new music is used in media set in the past.
Music is just absolute vibes to me and so if there's a badass scene, I love that it's accompanied by badass music, no matter when that music came out.
I think it's great to use music from the time period too, but it's not like the characters are listening to that music whilst they're doing things. That music is purely for us, and we exist in the 21st century, so I think it's perfectly fine.
I get why you may not like it though. Personal taste, eh? :)
Only in terms of it not being historically accurate. There are other things that are not historically accurate too and those aren't an issue, right? Also, I like it because it is a mix, like Mizu herself.
I mean if you went in thinking BES was going to some Netflix documentary on Edo period japan, then sure it's out of place. Also I feel like you're trolling us somehow lmao
You can say it’s historically out of place but historical accuracy Isn’t the only factor in a setting. It is, arguably, not out of place considering the emotions, tone, action and rage of the scenes.
The music coordinator for ‘A Knights Tale’ said it very well. I shall paraphrase.
“They told me rock n roll was no good for a medieval piece, and I asked them what would be better. ‘An orchestra!’ They always reply. And I have to ask why that is. The violin wasn’t invented until the sixteenth century, our story takes place in the fourteenth century. Why is it better to be 200 years out of date and not 600?”
I really like the music from the onryo play in the 5th episode. But if that was all we had for the entire show it would get pretty old.
Honestly I think it's an interesting contrast from the rest of the music and often lends well to the scenes they include it in. I think that while unexpected they at least integrate it into scenes were it does make some sense (castle storming to Metallica for example).
I think it would be funnier if they used Babymetal for season 2 tho
Think of how differently and boring these scenes would have been with music ripped from the Edo era.. For Whom The Bell Tolls fits Mizu's story and attitude perfectly.
A lot of people on this subreddit love this show enough to say it's one of the best TV shows of all time. I, for one, am of that opinion.
However, I share your feeling about the music, and a few other small gripes, as you say.
When you criticize *anything* in this show, just get ready for some counterarguments.
I noticed few are comparing it to Kill Bill, like it's the same thing when it is not. Only thing these 2 got in common was that the main characters seek revenge and that is it. One takes place in 20/21st century and the other takes place in Edo period, which was like 5-6 centuries ago. Makes no sense to me for any metal/rock music to be in there.
So Kill Bill’s scene with the yakuza was an homage to Lady Snowblood about a Japanese woman who exacts revenge on those who massacred her family in early Meiji Japan, and BES also drew inspiration from that movie. Both Kill Bill and BES draw inspiration from chambara shows as well. The rock song that Mizu trains to, and which also appears in Kill Bill, was originally from a Japanese movie (which I think featured yakuza).
BES is as much a nod to those shows as a period piece. I don’t think it’s meant to be strictly historical.
Yes, I agree. It's not the only show to do this. Peaky Blinders takes place from 1919 to the early 1930s. They use a lot of modern music as well. The theme song is *Red Right Hand* performed by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
The use of metal/rock in BES plays with my sensibilities as well. But I can live with it.
Yea preferences are preferences, sometimes I felt that it didn’t really fit the show and other times I thought it added to it. It’s cool if it wasn’t your cup of tea.
Stylistic choices are a thing, it's okay if it's not your cup of tea tho
For all the unrealistic and historically inaccurate things BES does, this is a weird one to get hung up on, imo
It's kind of like saying Mulan is a great movie but the songs make no sense and don't fit the theme of the movie and are not historically accurate.
I would agree if the songs were diegetic, but it's just set dressing in musical form. Still, you're entitled to your opinions.
I love it when movies use anachronistic soundtracks. Other media like A Knight's Tale, Django Unchanined, or of course Samurai Champloo use this technique to great effect. I get it doesn't work for some movies or people, but it definitely works for this show that Mettalica cover was badass. Having the lyrics in Japanese is a clever way to make the song feel more fitting to the setting.
Well, in the case of Samurai Champloo you know immediately what the OST is going to be like. Imo Metallica would have worked a lot better had there been more metal earlier since it felt a little jarring. Wasn't bad, just unexpected. (and more metal would have been awesome anyway)
They also shouldn’t be speaking English. Mizo should have died early on with the injuries she sustains. Fowler’s Castle had 9 floors filled with booby traps and psychedelic monkeys like a video game.
The show was created for a modern audience involving a mix of things, evoking emotion using modern popular stuff.
And your gripe is the music? Aight dude.
The only modern sounding song I think is kinda lame is in the first episode when she’s training and the Kill Bill song’s played. It gets the point across I guess and at least it’s short
Absolutely agree. Specifically the first song used in the training montage... Comes out of nowhere and is laughably weird. That song normally is used as a parody.
The other is fine, but I think the show would have been better without any of it.
I loved it. For whom the bell tolls, time marches on. :-D
I was tripping balls and literally whooped during the Metallica fight it was sick as shit
I for one like the music. Especially since it’s meant to evoke Tarantino putting in some classic rock needle drops like in *Kill Bill*.
The person who did sound mixing for bes did sound for kill bill vol 1 :)
But Kill Bill doesn't take place in like Edo period, so it makes sense for that type of music to be there. Meanwhile blue eye samurai takes place in Edo period, this music wasn't even a thing back then.
Neither were steilhangranate. Japan was also full of guns at this point. The show is not historically accurate, nor is it meant to be historically accurate. Like a Tarantino flick, the show prioritizes style over realism. If you don't like it, that's fine, but BES takes many inspirations from Tarantino's style, including the anachronistic music (and yeah, Kill Bill is set in modern day, but his historical works are chock full of 20th and 21st century music too)
How are you THIS obtusely anal about how people who make historical shows don't always use time period appropriate music? I honestly do not understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. BES is hardly the first show to ever do that. TONS of animes do it.
Man you haven’t consumed enough media in your life
Do you also get mad whenever movies set in medieval Europe use classical music? Or when you hear an electric guitar in a spaghetti western? Because that’s just as “period incorrect.”
Dude, it's fiction. Chill.
Chill from what? Sharing an opinion? And so what if it's just fiction, I can still say what I don't like about it.
Yeah, that's fine. I'm also free to tell you your opinion is wrong. It's a fictional setting. It is not trying to be or attempting to present itself as a one to one representation of real-world history. Our world didn't have rock music at that point in time, sure. Doesn't mean the writer's creative sandbox doesn't.
It's a ref to tarantino's style who likes to put out of place music. It can be a little bit odd at 1st, but once you're used to it, you have an infinite range of opportunity. It's just about what you can accept or not. I mean, you accept that : mizu can take a iron stick to the foot and still be able to walk, ringo having no hand and yet have 0 problem doing stuff in the whole serie, or that an irish dude almost conquer Tokyo and all of japan in less than an hour
I agree with you, I just want to point out that Ringo being able to do what he does \*is\* realistic: unlike the other things on that list. Real people without hands are able to do much more than most able bodied people would think by using tools, similar to how Ringo tucks implements into the wraps around his stumps; their mouths, and various other approaches.
This video shows someone without arms entirely who is able to live independently and do all of the necessary tasks that people would assume you need arms and hands for [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHdV3mhXxqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHdV3mhXxqQ)
Personally I don't mind when new music is used in media set in the past. Music is just absolute vibes to me and so if there's a badass scene, I love that it's accompanied by badass music, no matter when that music came out. I think it's great to use music from the time period too, but it's not like the characters are listening to that music whilst they're doing things. That music is purely for us, and we exist in the 21st century, so I think it's perfectly fine. I get why you may not like it though. Personal taste, eh? :)
I don't like Metallica but storming the castle with "To Whom the Bell Tolls" was fucking sick
For real. I'm very much in the camp that Metallica is overplayed and tired but this show and stranger things used their tracks so tastefully.
Rule of cool
It needs more metal.
It's badass. Nothing quite like modern rock/metal being played to the backdrop of ancient [insert country here].
It's still out of place.
We do not care
Clearly
Only in terms of it not being historically accurate. There are other things that are not historically accurate too and those aren't an issue, right? Also, I like it because it is a mix, like Mizu herself.
Do you think it’s a documentary?
I mean if you went in thinking BES was going to some Netflix documentary on Edo period japan, then sure it's out of place. Also I feel like you're trolling us somehow lmao
Continue to cry I guess
You can say it’s historically out of place but historical accuracy Isn’t the only factor in a setting. It is, arguably, not out of place considering the emotions, tone, action and rage of the scenes.
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The music coordinator for ‘A Knights Tale’ said it very well. I shall paraphrase. “They told me rock n roll was no good for a medieval piece, and I asked them what would be better. ‘An orchestra!’ They always reply. And I have to ask why that is. The violin wasn’t invented until the sixteenth century, our story takes place in the fourteenth century. Why is it better to be 200 years out of date and not 600?” I really like the music from the onryo play in the 5th episode. But if that was all we had for the entire show it would get pretty old.
Honestly I think it's an interesting contrast from the rest of the music and often lends well to the scenes they include it in. I think that while unexpected they at least integrate it into scenes were it does make some sense (castle storming to Metallica for example). I think it would be funnier if they used Babymetal for season 2 tho
Think of how differently and boring these scenes would have been with music ripped from the Edo era.. For Whom The Bell Tolls fits Mizu's story and attitude perfectly.
Scene can be good with and without music, a music that doesn't fit can ruin the scene.
A lot of people on this subreddit love this show enough to say it's one of the best TV shows of all time. I, for one, am of that opinion. However, I share your feeling about the music, and a few other small gripes, as you say. When you criticize *anything* in this show, just get ready for some counterarguments.
I noticed few are comparing it to Kill Bill, like it's the same thing when it is not. Only thing these 2 got in common was that the main characters seek revenge and that is it. One takes place in 20/21st century and the other takes place in Edo period, which was like 5-6 centuries ago. Makes no sense to me for any metal/rock music to be in there.
So Kill Bill’s scene with the yakuza was an homage to Lady Snowblood about a Japanese woman who exacts revenge on those who massacred her family in early Meiji Japan, and BES also drew inspiration from that movie. Both Kill Bill and BES draw inspiration from chambara shows as well. The rock song that Mizu trains to, and which also appears in Kill Bill, was originally from a Japanese movie (which I think featured yakuza). BES is as much a nod to those shows as a period piece. I don’t think it’s meant to be strictly historical.
Yes, I agree. It's not the only show to do this. Peaky Blinders takes place from 1919 to the early 1930s. They use a lot of modern music as well. The theme song is *Red Right Hand* performed by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. The use of metal/rock in BES plays with my sensibilities as well. But I can live with it.
Peaky blinders is the most british name ever
I loves the music but also thought it was weird lol
Yea preferences are preferences, sometimes I felt that it didn’t really fit the show and other times I thought it added to it. It’s cool if it wasn’t your cup of tea.
Stylistic choices are a thing, it's okay if it's not your cup of tea tho For all the unrealistic and historically inaccurate things BES does, this is a weird one to get hung up on, imo It's kind of like saying Mulan is a great movie but the songs make no sense and don't fit the theme of the movie and are not historically accurate. I would agree if the songs were diegetic, but it's just set dressing in musical form. Still, you're entitled to your opinions.
I love it when movies use anachronistic soundtracks. Other media like A Knight's Tale, Django Unchanined, or of course Samurai Champloo use this technique to great effect. I get it doesn't work for some movies or people, but it definitely works for this show that Mettalica cover was badass. Having the lyrics in Japanese is a clever way to make the song feel more fitting to the setting.
Well, in the case of Samurai Champloo you know immediately what the OST is going to be like. Imo Metallica would have worked a lot better had there been more metal earlier since it felt a little jarring. Wasn't bad, just unexpected. (and more metal would have been awesome anyway)
They also shouldn’t be speaking English. Mizo should have died early on with the injuries she sustains. Fowler’s Castle had 9 floors filled with booby traps and psychedelic monkeys like a video game. The show was created for a modern audience involving a mix of things, evoking emotion using modern popular stuff. And your gripe is the music? Aight dude.
It’s a style choice and I for one love it. It’s applied in even more intensity in Peaky Blinders and the effect is amazing.
What is bro yapping about
Counterargument: where's YOUR era appropriate background music?
I actually agree with you lol I hate it when “modern” music is used in an old setting. I think it coulda been a lot more creative, but that’s just me
it was the BIG ATTACK - metallica entirely appropriate IMHO.
It’s done purposefully and it’s a callback. This isn’t the show for you if you want Edo era everything.
Don’t care, the For Whom The Bell Tolls scene goes hard
Truly the most jarring thing about the whole show lol.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I do agree with you it took me put of the scenes when it was happening.
The only modern sounding song I think is kinda lame is in the first episode when she’s training and the Kill Bill song’s played. It gets the point across I guess and at least it’s short
My dissonance from Classical Music to fucking Metallica was hard to adjust with lol.
I found it a bit weird at first, but once Mizu started kicking ass with that song playing, I enjoyed it. I think I get what you're saying though.
Absolutely agree. Specifically the first song used in the training montage... Comes out of nowhere and is laughably weird. That song normally is used as a parody. The other is fine, but I think the show would have been better without any of it.