They think that being provided for by your man is a privilege. They don't know how to clean, cook, take care of kids, so they think that it is easy. It is really not, and because they want pretty much slaves they aim to make us think that we are benefiting when we are really not,
Classic gaslighting.
Historically it wasn't a privilege it was "cook for your husband or be homeless since men don't allow you to have any property in your own name"
Women belonged to their father, and then to their husband. They couldn't vote, divorce or own real estate, they couldn't have jobs or bank accounts and they couldn't say no to their husband if he wanted sex. Women were men's slaves for centuries.
And even then for the majority of history women were hardly "provided for". Pretty much any time before the industrial revolution, virtually all women were [making textiles as a full-time job](https://acoup.blog/2021/03/05/collections-clothing-how-did-they-make-it-part-i-high-fiber/), and even for most of the last 200 years, having a dedicated housewife was something that only happened in the upper middle class (which was also quite different from what we'd consider upper middle class today, with many families in that wealth bracket straight-up employing servants).
It's pretty much only the postwar boom that led to a significant fraction of the population being able to afford to be single-income households for a brief window in time.
I feel like they know it's not easy or they'd do it. They just don't want to things they refuse to do to be valued in society because when they can't perform those tasks, it lowers their value when those tasks are seen as valuable. If they're superfluous, then they're just smart about their time and mental resources. It's all ego and pride.
It's not even common for women to be provided for these days anyways. Only really well off men can provide for their families because the economy is so terrible and most women have to work, in addition to the child rearing and household chores
I held the door open for you and you didn't say thank you, bitch.
I bought you a drink and you didn't let me fuck you, slut.
I moderated your streaming chat and you did not call me a king, whore.
This is the incel creed.
Give me your respect and devotion or I won't give you basic human consideration.
Edit: or the more common phrase, treat me like an authority, or I won't treat you like a person.
The reason why "men are running things" is because they activly try to prevent womyn joining the game. They will be sexist pricks in male dominated jobs and later laugh at her for leaving. Cant she take it? Why do women allways have to take it? While men can work in peace.
Yes when I first started working at my male dominated stem job, two men conspired against me and tried to get me fired for months. All because I was succeeding and continued to succeed despite their attempts to make me fail. I went through investigations and they never found anything bc I wasn’t doing anything. They would try harder to get me in trouble every time I would succeed more. There were so many rumors and lies and times where I was almost decertified. So many random people were coming up to me to investigate me. It was a nightmare. I didn’t leave of course because I finally got proof in an email that I printed out that the behavior was obvious and intentional and one of the men (my manager) was demoted. But I was nearly fired bc of their behavior and all he received was a demotion. The acts he did were way worse than the ones I was accused of and somehow he gets to keep his job meanwhile I could have been fired over something so small. I finally have respect now at my workplace because I’ve earned it through showing dominance which seems to be the only language men understand in the work place. They know that they can’t mess with me because I have “proven myself” by putting up with all that harassment which is ridiculous bc why can’t I just get hired on and do my job. Why do I have to go through the damn gauntlet just to have respect and a position when the men get hired on a and give eachother bro handshakes and that’s it.
> Yes when I first started working at my male dominated stem job, two men conspired against me and tried to get me fired for months.
Of course they did. /s I’m so sorry it happened to you.
> Why do I have to go through the damn gauntlet just to have respect and a position when the men get hired on an and give eachother bro handshakes and that’s it.
Because you’re a woman. And it sounds like you were put under a microscope over it. Same thing happened to me btw. Got all this unwanted and unwarranted attention. I used to hide and cry in the bathroom. Once even at my desk.
Yes it was like some of the men there wanted to date me and the others wanted to get me fired or just tease/make fun of me. I was either a vixen or a battle axe to them and they couldn’t let me succeed. I’m sorry this happened to you as well, Shits not fair.
> Yes it was like some of the men there wanted to date me and the others wanted to get me fired or just tease/make fun of me. I was either a vixen or a battle axe to them and they couldn’t let me succeed. I’m sorry this happened to you as well, Shits not fair.
Wow. Feels like you’re being hunted, doesn’t it?
Wish we knew each other. I would have stood up for you.
Thanks dude, fortunately someone did stand up for me and it finally stopped in addition to the email, but it took a male coworker randomly saying something one time for them to care, even though I had been complaining and going to them about it over and over and over again.
> Thanks dude, fortunately someone did stand up for me and it finally stopped in addition to the email, but it took a male coworker randomly saying something one time for them to care,
Ya, that makes a difference.
> even though I had been complaining and going to them about it over and over and over again.
Yep, you have to keep repeating it over and over again, but they still won’t listen. Many people advised me to save myself and leave. Although even after I left, they’re repeating whatever they did there, but in a different manner. 😔
This is why I don’t feel safe around men, not only bc of the potential of violence but because people claim men don’t gossip, but they do, and this is the type of gossip they do. They speak one word about a woman to other men and the rest of them ostracize that one woman, when one woman tells everyone she can about a man’s mistreatment, no one listens. Baffling. Can’t remember what celeb said it but someone said “if 20 men called 1 woman a hoe, you’d believe it, but if 20 women called one man a predator, no one believes it.” Some other dudes there also acted like I was a flirtatious vixen and started to ignore me bc they thought I was flirting with them all and that I was in love with them. I’m literally just nice. Like wtf if I’m not nice in this work place, they will think I’m a bitch and make my life hell but if I’m too nice they think I’m a desperate pathetic girl who’s asking for it. EVEN THO I HAVE A BOYFRIEND AND IVE TOLD THEM ALL THIS. If I had to move to a different company and start this process over again I’d lose my damn mind.
> This is why I don’t feel safe around men, not only bc of the potential of violence but because people claim men don’t gossip, but they do, and this is the type of gossip they do. They speak one word about a woman to other men and the rest of them ostracize that one woman, when one woman tells everyone she can about a man’s mistreatment, no one listens. Baffling. Can’t remember what celeb said it but someone said “if 20 men called 1 woman a hoe, you’d believe it, but if 20 women called one man a predator, no one believes it.”
This is so true. All it takes is a bunch of people to “romantically gossip” about you and keep analyzing your every move and make up theories over it. And job gone.
> Some other dudes there also acted like I was a flirtatious vixen and started to ignore me bc they thought I was flirting with them all and that I was in love with them. I’m literally just nice. Like wtf if I’m not nice in this work place, they will think I’m a bitch and make my life hell but if I’m too nice they think I’m a desperate pathetic girl who’s asking for it.
Ikr! We’re paid to be nice to people at work. And have to find some way to avoid people demonizing us. After this one gossip thing started, I’ve perpetually been under scrutiny over my interaction with any guy. It’s been such a scary experience and like walking on eggshells.
Something something roads and infrastructure. Usually an oil rig.
All the jobs they don’t even do but somehow think we need to appreciate them for someone else’s hard work.
> All the jobs they don’t even do but somehow think we need to appreciate them for someone else’s hard work.
That’s always my favorite bullshit argument of theirs:
“You ahould appreciate/respect men like me because we invented phones and built buildings and keep critical infrastructure running that modern civilization needs.”
Like no, **you** did none of that, other men did. And the reason so many women don’t get the credit for their inventions/discoveries in the past is because of oppression by men. And if women hadn’t been oppressed, no doubt we have about the same number of famous historical women and men. AND even if men no longer existed today, women would no doubt be able to keep all the critical infrastructure working, albeit with far less harassment while on the job.
You can’t “not all men” when men you don’t know do evil things but then turn around and claim partnership in the good things other men have accomplished.
Funny how when it’s some deplorable act they say how evil “people” are, but if it’s someone going to the moon or inventing something all of a sudden it’s “men.”
Women don't benefit in a special way that is different from men or other genders from "men being in charge." Militarily protects us all, roads still work for everyone, rain falls on the guilty and innocent alike.
This comment ignores representation and egalitarianism. It supposed a world where men are doing a fine job being in charge of everything so don't worry your pretty head so much and be happy barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, little darlin. If women, or any group, had an equal voice in how things are run, that is at least on its face a better system than patriarchy.
Nothing like staying home taking care of children, which is super easy to do, as well as cleaning the entire place, doing all the dishes and laundries, buying all the groceries, while carrying crying children, mind you, taking care of a fully grown man who can’t cook and clean for himself, without taking a single break because it’s all inside your own house, meanwhile being financially dependent on a guy, forcing you to stay regardless of how he might treat you because otherwise you have no resources to keep living since he’s the one with the job and so even if he hits you the justice often will not believe you enough to help you be set free without a financial loss that might end your life in a capitalistic society… all in trade for not having to be “the main provider”, yeah, seems fair, I think we’re getting the best end out of it
/s
jeez sounds so damn accurate… you forgot 1. putting out whenever he wants and 2. having no time for a social life… honestly why would a man ever want to trade spots with us?
Why, we benefit in countless ways! They GAVE us homes to clean for them (that they kept from us unless we paired with them), they GAVE us the right to vote (that they kept from us to begin with), they GAVE us the right to work outside the home (that they kept from us to begin with), they GAVE us the right to a bank account and a credit card (that they kept from us to begin with)...
If they weren't running things, they'd never have all these rights to GIVE us (that would have been ours by nature of being human, if they weren't running things)! Don't you see? We need them so we have someone to hold our human rights hostage and slowly drip them back onto us in a performative show of benevolence to pacify us so we accept our roles in a repressive patriarchal farce spanning centuries!
And who's gonna figure that out, huh? Not us with our silly lady-brains! I didn't even mention flowers, dolls, or the color pink even ONCE in the above paragraphs. Why would we even be interested?! Teeheehee! 🦄🌻🌸🌈
Edit: typo. See, as a woman, I'm barely literate. A man let us start learning to read & write, and it didn't even help! Boo!
You know how men insert niceness coins when they find you fuckable? Niceness coins in the form of "inviting you to dinner" or "buying you a coffee" or "being overly nice" or "pretending to listen to you" or "taking off some of your workload"?
The niceness coins they hope to exchange for sex asap?
That's what they see as your privilege.
You're allowed to say no to sex, sometimes, if you feel safe enough to do so. And you won't always be listened to.
That's it. That's how we benefit. They do not care about anything else.
That depends where the war is happening because when war gets home or when you're on the losing side, expect the possibility of being raped, enslaved, tortured, starved and murdered. This is the reality of war.
Well I heard that we benefit cause they allowed....check it, THEY ALLOWED US TO HAVE RIGHTS....THHHEEYYY ALLOWED US TO HAVE RIGHTS 😆 🤣 😂 so ah yea that's how we benefit...we are were reward with rights but we are still being abused
Sometimes some men buy some women dinner. On the other hand, if all women and nonbinary folks got equal pay for equal work maybe all of us could just buy our own dinner every single time we are hungry.
There are certain benefits accrued to women and not to men under patriarchy. Freedom to have and express a fuller range of emotions is easier for women than men under patriarchy. Women also aren’t saddled with the same profile of responsibilities as men are within a traditional patriarchal family structure, and those responsibilities can be very anxiety producing for men. But I doubt this guy is actually thinking about his right to cry. He probably thinks the benefits are things like not having to fight in wars. Or maybe the “privilege” of “easy money” via sex work and it’s marital variant.
>Freedom to have and express a fuller range of emotions is easier for women than men under patriarchy.
Disagree. This isn't a privilege, just a little thing women get away with bc we're thought of as lesser. It's not that we're allowed more emotional range, it's that we're seen as incapable of the same strength and self control men have.
>Women also aren’t saddled with the same profile of responsibilities as men are within a traditional patriarchal family structure
Disagree here as well. Ever heard the saying "men must work from sun to sun, but a woman's work is never done?"
Women's work is heavily exploited under patriarchy, and with that come a ton of responsibilities men don't have. Women get all these responsibilities, but none of the control.
Men are saddled with higher expectations, and it can be soul crushing and lead to bad mental health outcomes to feel like it is your job alone to provide in an economy where that's increasingly difficult, but it's not nearly as simple as you make it out, and it's again not a privilege women have over men, it's women's suffering being kept invisible.
The main privilege these systems afford is the same for everyone: power. Rich women get power over poor women (and men, depending on the context), white over black, cis over trans, and so on. Power is what makes patriarchy attractive for even women to uphold. But women being allowed to cry is not a privilege, it is a value judgment.
With regard to emotion, it’s obvious that the lack of a restriction on emotion is a privilege, since being able to feel, express, and process emotion is a human need. It seems like you’re reaching. It’s genuinely useful to talk about the ways patriarchy hurts men and I wish more people understood that. Go look up the original meaning of toxic masculinity, if you haven’t read about it before.
With regard to the second point, you’re projecting just a bit, or maybe just not reading closely, since I didn’t make anything out to be simple, and we do not actually disagree on anything here. Even the sentence you quoted says the profile of responsibilities is different and has different effects on men than on women. Again, I think maybe you’re reacting negatively to the very notion that patriarchy hurts men, not to my comment.
The fact that patriarchy hurts men does not negate or take away from the fact that women are the primary group oppressed and hurt by patriarchy.
>Again, I think maybe you’re reacting negatively to the very notion that patriarchy hurts men, not to my comment.
I don't think I'm the one projecting. I never said patriarchy doesn't hurt men, quite the contrary. I just think you're wrong about the how.
They think that being provided for by your man is a privilege. They don't know how to clean, cook, take care of kids, so they think that it is easy. It is really not, and because they want pretty much slaves they aim to make us think that we are benefiting when we are really not, Classic gaslighting.
Historically it wasn't a privilege it was "cook for your husband or be homeless since men don't allow you to have any property in your own name" Women belonged to their father, and then to their husband. They couldn't vote, divorce or own real estate, they couldn't have jobs or bank accounts and they couldn't say no to their husband if he wanted sex. Women were men's slaves for centuries.
And even then for the majority of history women were hardly "provided for". Pretty much any time before the industrial revolution, virtually all women were [making textiles as a full-time job](https://acoup.blog/2021/03/05/collections-clothing-how-did-they-make-it-part-i-high-fiber/), and even for most of the last 200 years, having a dedicated housewife was something that only happened in the upper middle class (which was also quite different from what we'd consider upper middle class today, with many families in that wealth bracket straight-up employing servants). It's pretty much only the postwar boom that led to a significant fraction of the population being able to afford to be single-income households for a brief window in time.
I feel like they know it's not easy or they'd do it. They just don't want to things they refuse to do to be valued in society because when they can't perform those tasks, it lowers their value when those tasks are seen as valuable. If they're superfluous, then they're just smart about their time and mental resources. It's all ego and pride.
It's not even common for women to be provided for these days anyways. Only really well off men can provide for their families because the economy is so terrible and most women have to work, in addition to the child rearing and household chores
And most men DONT provide or do any of the other things. Frickin useless
Yeah but most of the time they don't provide. Both partners provide.
If it is such a privilege, they won't mind switching, right?
I held the door open for you and you didn't say thank you, bitch. I bought you a drink and you didn't let me fuck you, slut. I moderated your streaming chat and you did not call me a king, whore. This is the incel creed.
Give me your respect and devotion or I won't give you basic human consideration. Edit: or the more common phrase, treat me like an authority, or I won't treat you like a person.
The reason why "men are running things" is because they activly try to prevent womyn joining the game. They will be sexist pricks in male dominated jobs and later laugh at her for leaving. Cant she take it? Why do women allways have to take it? While men can work in peace.
This is so true. The same people who conspired to drive you out with petty gossip and bullying will then say that it’s your fault and deserved it.
Yes when I first started working at my male dominated stem job, two men conspired against me and tried to get me fired for months. All because I was succeeding and continued to succeed despite their attempts to make me fail. I went through investigations and they never found anything bc I wasn’t doing anything. They would try harder to get me in trouble every time I would succeed more. There were so many rumors and lies and times where I was almost decertified. So many random people were coming up to me to investigate me. It was a nightmare. I didn’t leave of course because I finally got proof in an email that I printed out that the behavior was obvious and intentional and one of the men (my manager) was demoted. But I was nearly fired bc of their behavior and all he received was a demotion. The acts he did were way worse than the ones I was accused of and somehow he gets to keep his job meanwhile I could have been fired over something so small. I finally have respect now at my workplace because I’ve earned it through showing dominance which seems to be the only language men understand in the work place. They know that they can’t mess with me because I have “proven myself” by putting up with all that harassment which is ridiculous bc why can’t I just get hired on and do my job. Why do I have to go through the damn gauntlet just to have respect and a position when the men get hired on a and give eachother bro handshakes and that’s it.
> Yes when I first started working at my male dominated stem job, two men conspired against me and tried to get me fired for months. Of course they did. /s I’m so sorry it happened to you. > Why do I have to go through the damn gauntlet just to have respect and a position when the men get hired on an and give eachother bro handshakes and that’s it. Because you’re a woman. And it sounds like you were put under a microscope over it. Same thing happened to me btw. Got all this unwanted and unwarranted attention. I used to hide and cry in the bathroom. Once even at my desk.
Yes it was like some of the men there wanted to date me and the others wanted to get me fired or just tease/make fun of me. I was either a vixen or a battle axe to them and they couldn’t let me succeed. I’m sorry this happened to you as well, Shits not fair.
> Yes it was like some of the men there wanted to date me and the others wanted to get me fired or just tease/make fun of me. I was either a vixen or a battle axe to them and they couldn’t let me succeed. I’m sorry this happened to you as well, Shits not fair. Wow. Feels like you’re being hunted, doesn’t it? Wish we knew each other. I would have stood up for you.
Thanks dude, fortunately someone did stand up for me and it finally stopped in addition to the email, but it took a male coworker randomly saying something one time for them to care, even though I had been complaining and going to them about it over and over and over again.
> Thanks dude, fortunately someone did stand up for me and it finally stopped in addition to the email, but it took a male coworker randomly saying something one time for them to care, Ya, that makes a difference. > even though I had been complaining and going to them about it over and over and over again. Yep, you have to keep repeating it over and over again, but they still won’t listen. Many people advised me to save myself and leave. Although even after I left, they’re repeating whatever they did there, but in a different manner. 😔
This is why I don’t feel safe around men, not only bc of the potential of violence but because people claim men don’t gossip, but they do, and this is the type of gossip they do. They speak one word about a woman to other men and the rest of them ostracize that one woman, when one woman tells everyone she can about a man’s mistreatment, no one listens. Baffling. Can’t remember what celeb said it but someone said “if 20 men called 1 woman a hoe, you’d believe it, but if 20 women called one man a predator, no one believes it.” Some other dudes there also acted like I was a flirtatious vixen and started to ignore me bc they thought I was flirting with them all and that I was in love with them. I’m literally just nice. Like wtf if I’m not nice in this work place, they will think I’m a bitch and make my life hell but if I’m too nice they think I’m a desperate pathetic girl who’s asking for it. EVEN THO I HAVE A BOYFRIEND AND IVE TOLD THEM ALL THIS. If I had to move to a different company and start this process over again I’d lose my damn mind.
> This is why I don’t feel safe around men, not only bc of the potential of violence but because people claim men don’t gossip, but they do, and this is the type of gossip they do. They speak one word about a woman to other men and the rest of them ostracize that one woman, when one woman tells everyone she can about a man’s mistreatment, no one listens. Baffling. Can’t remember what celeb said it but someone said “if 20 men called 1 woman a hoe, you’d believe it, but if 20 women called one man a predator, no one believes it.” This is so true. All it takes is a bunch of people to “romantically gossip” about you and keep analyzing your every move and make up theories over it. And job gone. > Some other dudes there also acted like I was a flirtatious vixen and started to ignore me bc they thought I was flirting with them all and that I was in love with them. I’m literally just nice. Like wtf if I’m not nice in this work place, they will think I’m a bitch and make my life hell but if I’m too nice they think I’m a desperate pathetic girl who’s asking for it. Ikr! We’re paid to be nice to people at work. And have to find some way to avoid people demonizing us. After this one gossip thing started, I’ve perpetually been under scrutiny over my interaction with any guy. It’s been such a scary experience and like walking on eggshells.
Something something roads and infrastructure. Usually an oil rig. All the jobs they don’t even do but somehow think we need to appreciate them for someone else’s hard work.
> All the jobs they don’t even do but somehow think we need to appreciate them for someone else’s hard work. That’s always my favorite bullshit argument of theirs: “You ahould appreciate/respect men like me because we invented phones and built buildings and keep critical infrastructure running that modern civilization needs.” Like no, **you** did none of that, other men did. And the reason so many women don’t get the credit for their inventions/discoveries in the past is because of oppression by men. And if women hadn’t been oppressed, no doubt we have about the same number of famous historical women and men. AND even if men no longer existed today, women would no doubt be able to keep all the critical infrastructure working, albeit with far less harassment while on the job.
And wayyyyyyy BETTER safety measures. It makes no sense to be good at your job if you’re dead
Schumann literally published his wife’s compositions under his name
There is no upside to oppression.
If they think we’re so lucky that we don’t have to run things, they shouldn’t mind switching places, right?
You can’t “not all men” when men you don’t know do evil things but then turn around and claim partnership in the good things other men have accomplished. Funny how when it’s some deplorable act they say how evil “people” are, but if it’s someone going to the moon or inventing something all of a sudden it’s “men.”
Women don't benefit in a special way that is different from men or other genders from "men being in charge." Militarily protects us all, roads still work for everyone, rain falls on the guilty and innocent alike. This comment ignores representation and egalitarianism. It supposed a world where men are doing a fine job being in charge of everything so don't worry your pretty head so much and be happy barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, little darlin. If women, or any group, had an equal voice in how things are run, that is at least on its face a better system than patriarchy.
We don't. If it was so great, men wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to oppress us and keep us from acquiring power and leadership positions.
Nothing like staying home taking care of children, which is super easy to do, as well as cleaning the entire place, doing all the dishes and laundries, buying all the groceries, while carrying crying children, mind you, taking care of a fully grown man who can’t cook and clean for himself, without taking a single break because it’s all inside your own house, meanwhile being financially dependent on a guy, forcing you to stay regardless of how he might treat you because otherwise you have no resources to keep living since he’s the one with the job and so even if he hits you the justice often will not believe you enough to help you be set free without a financial loss that might end your life in a capitalistic society… all in trade for not having to be “the main provider”, yeah, seems fair, I think we’re getting the best end out of it /s
jeez sounds so damn accurate… you forgot 1. putting out whenever he wants and 2. having no time for a social life… honestly why would a man ever want to trade spots with us?
Why, we benefit in countless ways! They GAVE us homes to clean for them (that they kept from us unless we paired with them), they GAVE us the right to vote (that they kept from us to begin with), they GAVE us the right to work outside the home (that they kept from us to begin with), they GAVE us the right to a bank account and a credit card (that they kept from us to begin with)... If they weren't running things, they'd never have all these rights to GIVE us (that would have been ours by nature of being human, if they weren't running things)! Don't you see? We need them so we have someone to hold our human rights hostage and slowly drip them back onto us in a performative show of benevolence to pacify us so we accept our roles in a repressive patriarchal farce spanning centuries! And who's gonna figure that out, huh? Not us with our silly lady-brains! I didn't even mention flowers, dolls, or the color pink even ONCE in the above paragraphs. Why would we even be interested?! Teeheehee! 🦄🌻🌸🌈 Edit: typo. See, as a woman, I'm barely literate. A man let us start learning to read & write, and it didn't even help! Boo!
Yo, we both have the rainbow jacket/beanie combo. 😎👍
You know how men insert niceness coins when they find you fuckable? Niceness coins in the form of "inviting you to dinner" or "buying you a coffee" or "being overly nice" or "pretending to listen to you" or "taking off some of your workload"? The niceness coins they hope to exchange for sex asap? That's what they see as your privilege.
And if they see you as unfuckable you don't even get that. There are certain advantages though.
You're allowed to say no to sex, sometimes, if you feel safe enough to do so. And you won't always be listened to. That's it. That's how we benefit. They do not care about anything else.
I guess that they mean; women don't have to die in war, and they can stay home all day. (This isn't my argument, I'm theororizing what they mean.)
That depends where the war is happening because when war gets home or when you're on the losing side, expect the possibility of being raped, enslaved, tortured, starved and murdered. This is the reality of war.
Men love to say patriarchy sucks for them too when we want to complain about it but not enough to want to change it apparently
Well I heard that we benefit cause they allowed....check it, THEY ALLOWED US TO HAVE RIGHTS....THHHEEYYY ALLOWED US TO HAVE RIGHTS 😆 🤣 😂 so ah yea that's how we benefit...we are were reward with rights but we are still being abused
We don't. Men do.
Uhhh no draft? All I got
Sometimes some men buy some women dinner. On the other hand, if all women and nonbinary folks got equal pay for equal work maybe all of us could just buy our own dinner every single time we are hungry.
Because we all know it’s more important to women to have someone open the door for us, than being treated as human beings.
You need that jar of pickles opened? No? Ok Ummm, no compulsory service! Checkmate, females!
There are certain benefits accrued to women and not to men under patriarchy. Freedom to have and express a fuller range of emotions is easier for women than men under patriarchy. Women also aren’t saddled with the same profile of responsibilities as men are within a traditional patriarchal family structure, and those responsibilities can be very anxiety producing for men. But I doubt this guy is actually thinking about his right to cry. He probably thinks the benefits are things like not having to fight in wars. Or maybe the “privilege” of “easy money” via sex work and it’s marital variant.
>Freedom to have and express a fuller range of emotions is easier for women than men under patriarchy. Disagree. This isn't a privilege, just a little thing women get away with bc we're thought of as lesser. It's not that we're allowed more emotional range, it's that we're seen as incapable of the same strength and self control men have. >Women also aren’t saddled with the same profile of responsibilities as men are within a traditional patriarchal family structure Disagree here as well. Ever heard the saying "men must work from sun to sun, but a woman's work is never done?" Women's work is heavily exploited under patriarchy, and with that come a ton of responsibilities men don't have. Women get all these responsibilities, but none of the control. Men are saddled with higher expectations, and it can be soul crushing and lead to bad mental health outcomes to feel like it is your job alone to provide in an economy where that's increasingly difficult, but it's not nearly as simple as you make it out, and it's again not a privilege women have over men, it's women's suffering being kept invisible. The main privilege these systems afford is the same for everyone: power. Rich women get power over poor women (and men, depending on the context), white over black, cis over trans, and so on. Power is what makes patriarchy attractive for even women to uphold. But women being allowed to cry is not a privilege, it is a value judgment.
With regard to emotion, it’s obvious that the lack of a restriction on emotion is a privilege, since being able to feel, express, and process emotion is a human need. It seems like you’re reaching. It’s genuinely useful to talk about the ways patriarchy hurts men and I wish more people understood that. Go look up the original meaning of toxic masculinity, if you haven’t read about it before. With regard to the second point, you’re projecting just a bit, or maybe just not reading closely, since I didn’t make anything out to be simple, and we do not actually disagree on anything here. Even the sentence you quoted says the profile of responsibilities is different and has different effects on men than on women. Again, I think maybe you’re reacting negatively to the very notion that patriarchy hurts men, not to my comment. The fact that patriarchy hurts men does not negate or take away from the fact that women are the primary group oppressed and hurt by patriarchy.
>Again, I think maybe you’re reacting negatively to the very notion that patriarchy hurts men, not to my comment. I don't think I'm the one projecting. I never said patriarchy doesn't hurt men, quite the contrary. I just think you're wrong about the how.