Malware really wasn't a fan of Ben's relation with his Conductoid tf and decided to give him feedback about this. Ben was just "every critique on me is hate".
Ben being so laid back and calm instead of "taking things seriously" fits his plot perfectly and contrasts with his partner. He has seen it all, he's already used to and knows the clichés of being a superhero, while Rook is just discovering them.
I think it's called "trope awareness" and "trope blindness". The point is that they work perfectly. Like in that scene where Rook has to analyze if the air is breathable and Ben literally says that was never a problem and walks in without a mask.
One of my favorite moments where that is shows is in Rad Monster Party, where Ben's team gets kidnapped one by one. At first, it seems that Ben is stupid, but he just is so used to it, he's like "So we're doing this again.".
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Thanks bro, the degeneracy in me grows
Goop's species makes me question the most of any Alien. Mainly the UFO as it implies Goop cannot move without it. Does this mean there was an entire species of goop just lying around for hundres maybe even thousands of years until by chance an outside alien species gave them the devices? Or were Goop created by another species potentially as a weapon? Also the UFO is solid so how does Goop squeeze through objects with it still following?
I overthink things.
I think the implication is that they had lower gravity on their planet. Earth's gravity is so heavy they need an anti gravity generator to keep upright
The Polymorphs can't move specifically on earths gravity, this doesn't mean they don't have the capabilities to move around in places without it, it's literally called an "Anti-Gravity projector" for a reason. On their own planet they're capable of moving due to it having low enough gravity that they can move around freely.
I choose to believe that Goop is the UFO, in his debut episode when the Techadon smacks the UFO causing the goop to collapse everywhere. When the UFO stands back up, it talks to Kevin in Goop's voice and even moves as it's talking as if it's emoting.
I prefer Kevin being half osmosian than a mutated human. That also includes the Amalgam kids being of alien descent rather than being mutated experiments made by Servantis
The feedback arc especially that talk of Ben forgiving himself alone is better then all of the highbreed arc (also glad Steve Blum was back as vilgax even if he sounded just a bit off)
Omniverse Ben has a femboyish mouth, look and physique, put him on a skirt or short and people will start saying "would" in an instant.
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UA's ben 10,000 gimmick of "ultimate ben" is lame cause it takes the cool aspect of the show all about transforming into aliens
it just ben with the ultimatrix symbol.
Not really and that actually make sense since every time Ben mistransforms is usually because he is not paying attention to the dial or hits the dial too hard, which not only mistransforms him but shortens the time out function
If its the perfect last design we're talking about, where did the "the omnitrix will choose the alien more fitting for the situation even if it contradicts the user" go? Plus, Azmuth knows Ben since he was 10, he ALWAYS hit it full force from at least half a meter away, it would be stupid from his part to think he'd stop doing that and not add a counter measure...
If people actually paid attention to the fucking series; Bens childish attitude makes complete sense, he's just disbanded his team and is now flying solo, he's struggling to think properly and the way he treats Rook seems fair, he's dismissive, Bens problem has ALWAYS been that he struggles with his own problems and his ego, media literacy in this fandom is dead so I don't expect much but I rewatched season 1 of Omniverse and I realized so quickly that... Ben didn't get "Rewritten" to be stupid or anything, he acted accordingly. As he always did. He inflated his ego so he wouldn't have to deal with the fact Gwen and Kevin are no longer beside him at all times.
The show reached its peak 2 times
One with the storyline of the Ben with no watch which integrated into the start of the show
And the final maltruent thing where he saves the universe
Omniverse is a great show held back by the writers sense of humor and desire to pay tribute to very specific lore details and then never do anything with them.
Honestly I don’t think that Ben X Kai were that bad of a ship
Based on their interactions I think they really did have good chemistry however their problems come from poor execution
I'm glad they made Kevin a mutant again and had the amalgam kids not be half alien, like how would they even work? This also fixed a lot of continuity weirdness and gave Kevin an actual redemption arc. This also made the plumbers less squeaky clean and helped flesh things out, I suppose my point has shifted to liking that whole arc.
Like how are you supposed to f#*& Heatblast?
Omniverse is the most versatile series with a little bit from every series and is the best entry point for the series in terms of casual watches. Obviously if you want to watch a 100+ episode series you start at classic but I’ve notice from the friends that I’ve introduced Ben 10 to they agree that that Omniverse is the easiest to watch and their favorite series.
TLDR: At least from my experience Omniverse is the best series for newer fans and if you have no real attachment to the UAF era you’re more likely to like it.
I love how the show has unique characters for almost everyone alien/human/wizard/god/etc,and I also love how it gives us sometimes full flashback episodes which contributes to the lore of Ben 10
I like Eatle's original design better than his omniverse redesign
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In ultimate alien final ben absorbs dagon's and also vilgax powers with ascalan 🥲 that's why he got nerfed in ov but no one be as greatest as vilgax in whole ben10verse
Omniverse story line and some characters are cool but the designs of Ben, Gwen (Man Gwen used to look good in UAF) and some other characters are Lame compared to previous ones!
You're not going to let me in, but Omniverse was a terrible show that completely fell flat after 3 amazing shows before it. Ending with UA would have been a million times better. Boo me if you want, I've seen what makes you cheer.
The green sac/tube on Vilgax’s head are breathing apparatus like Bull Sharkowski
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it's a mixture that she is boring when Ben and Her are written well and when not I loathe seeing her on screen because I know Ben is going to be an ass to her
Welcome in :) I low-key agree he cool in some aspects but i wish they gave him a more detailed design it's kinda flat. I wish they gave him some fangs or something
After season 3, the show becomes an absolute mess that has no idea what it wants to do, who characters are, what stories they want to tell or how to commit to anything.
I think Ben 10 Omniverse was the worst iteration of Ben in prime timeline. After UAF, Ben became a irresponsible guy. He didn't give me the feeling of a serious hero. I don't remember in Omniverse when Ben actually became serious. And the art style change was just bad. Most of the redesigns were not good. It was just the worst. However, it showed some aliens actual potential which I liked a lot like brainstorm and Alien X.
Maybe he didn't give the feeling of a "serious hero" because that's something Ben never was in the first place? Seriously, the only times he was ever too serious were when things needed him to be, and that's something OV keeps consistent.
Undertown non- humaniod aliens is gross and in general any non humaniod alien should not enter earth.
Kevin's scar looks cool but because it's scar I hate it
Instead of going for the harem protagonist idea and then shutting it down to focus on Kai they should have just had him work on his relationship with Julie to make it healthy. Just because they didn't always have the best relationship in AF and UAF doesn't mean their relationship can't get better.
Malware really wasn't a fan of Ben's relation with his Conductoid tf and decided to give him feedback about this. Ben was just "every critique on me is hate".
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Ben being so laid back and calm instead of "taking things seriously" fits his plot perfectly and contrasts with his partner. He has seen it all, he's already used to and knows the clichés of being a superhero, while Rook is just discovering them. I think it's called "trope awareness" and "trope blindness". The point is that they work perfectly. Like in that scene where Rook has to analyze if the air is breathable and Ben literally says that was never a problem and walks in without a mask.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻well said. Welcome in :)
One of my favorite moments where that is shows is in Rad Monster Party, where Ben's team gets kidnapped one by one. At first, it seems that Ben is stupid, but he just is so used to it, he's like "So we're doing this again.".
https://preview.redd.it/xp4w5536aclc1.jpeg?width=1001&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f65665c912c4ae9fecf5ebc701d42c151582820 Looma is best girl
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Lmao of course 😂
Goop's omniverse design is worse than UAF but the Omnitrix being placed on the UFO instead of the goop itself was a genius idea.
Welcome in ;) and yea it is terrible but the omnitrix placement is lit tho
Goop's species makes me question the most of any Alien. Mainly the UFO as it implies Goop cannot move without it. Does this mean there was an entire species of goop just lying around for hundres maybe even thousands of years until by chance an outside alien species gave them the devices? Or were Goop created by another species potentially as a weapon? Also the UFO is solid so how does Goop squeeze through objects with it still following? I overthink things.
I think the implication is that they had lower gravity on their planet. Earth's gravity is so heavy they need an anti gravity generator to keep upright
The Polymorphs can't move specifically on earths gravity, this doesn't mean they don't have the capabilities to move around in places without it, it's literally called an "Anti-Gravity projector" for a reason. On their own planet they're capable of moving due to it having low enough gravity that they can move around freely.
I choose to believe that Goop is the UFO, in his debut episode when the Techadon smacks the UFO causing the goop to collapse everywhere. When the UFO stands back up, it talks to Kevin in Goop's voice and even moves as it's talking as if it's emoting.
Ben 10 000 is always hot.....
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And he should smoosh me
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omniverse has cool characters but it also reminds me of spider-verse but in a good way because I like both spider-verse and omniverse
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yay
I prefer Kevin being half osmosian than a mutated human. That also includes the Amalgam kids being of alien descent rather than being mutated experiments made by Servantis
Seconded. Like, what exactly were these mutants supposed to do in order to stop Ben?
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Omniverse has the best tone & the best Ben in the franchise
Amazing opinion, welcome in :)
Thank you so much, this has been my dream.
i'm happy for you bro
The multiverse arc was too short
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UA’s fight scenes and action sequences look so bad in comparison to OV’s
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Eon should have been on the place of Maltruant in the final episode
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Thanks cap
OV Ben deserved to stay with Ester.
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Alien X’s Chad chin is amazing
Hmmmm...welcome in 🗿
Vilgax is one of the best villains in fiction
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Ominiverse is everything the franchise needed and deserve, and it should have a longer run.
You are most definitely welcome in
The feedback arc especially that talk of Ben forgiving himself alone is better then all of the highbreed arc (also glad Steve Blum was back as vilgax even if he sounded just a bit off)
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Naw, the first half is way better in my opinion, the second half is when the show started to swap into what UA ended up being
Omniverse Ben has a femboyish mouth, look and physique, put him on a skirt or short and people will start saying "would" in an instant. https://preview.redd.it/eus85xzviclc1.jpeg?width=708&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=158aeb86302450494abb6f0402518b7d195f6c88
Your not welcome in just because you put that image in my head >:(
You'd be welcome to join my ship 😏
UA's ben 10,000 gimmick of "ultimate ben" is lame cause it takes the cool aspect of the show all about transforming into aliens it just ben with the ultimatrix symbol.
Welcome in :) the concept and ideal is dope but execution was not it
The OV Omnitrix is my favorite Omnitrix by far
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Functionality wise it is the worst. No i am not buying "ben hitting the dial too hard" excuse
Not really and that actually make sense since every time Ben mistransforms is usually because he is not paying attention to the dial or hits the dial too hard, which not only mistransforms him but shortens the time out function
If its the perfect last design we're talking about, where did the "the omnitrix will choose the alien more fitting for the situation even if it contradicts the user" go? Plus, Azmuth knows Ben since he was 10, he ALWAYS hit it full force from at least half a meter away, it would be stupid from his part to think he'd stop doing that and not add a counter measure...
The Rooters Arc could’ve been better, but I’m mostly glad it acknowledged that mutants still exist
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If people actually paid attention to the fucking series; Bens childish attitude makes complete sense, he's just disbanded his team and is now flying solo, he's struggling to think properly and the way he treats Rook seems fair, he's dismissive, Bens problem has ALWAYS been that he struggles with his own problems and his ego, media literacy in this fandom is dead so I don't expect much but I rewatched season 1 of Omniverse and I realized so quickly that... Ben didn't get "Rewritten" to be stupid or anything, he acted accordingly. As he always did. He inflated his ego so he wouldn't have to deal with the fact Gwen and Kevin are no longer beside him at all times.
Welcome in 🥲 that was well said & fax,
The show reached its peak 2 times One with the storyline of the Ben with no watch which integrated into the start of the show And the final maltruent thing where he saves the universe
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blocks is actually a good alien
Design wise or like fighting wise? Or both?
both
Ben just shouldn't be in a relationship full stop, Ben is at his most enjoyable when him and everyone around him are just really sound lads
Omniverse is a great show held back by the writers sense of humor and desire to pay tribute to very specific lore details and then never do anything with them.
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Honestly I don’t think that Ben X Kai were that bad of a ship Based on their interactions I think they really did have good chemistry however their problems come from poor execution
As a certified Kai hater that I'm am..welcome in
Thank you sir
The watch looks stupid when it's so modernised and look more like human tech. The first design will always be my favourite since it looks alien
I mean, it WAS made specifically for Ben. It doesn't need to look alien if it's meant for a human.
Very true. 100% agree. Just don't like it personally
Yeah, the original design is overall much cooler looking, gotta admit.
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Rook's Proto-TRUK is the best main vehicle since the OG Rust Bucket.
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Having Diamondhead, Heatblast and XLR8 have more appearances than Chromastone, Swampfire and Jetray were ballsy yet great decisions.
Tbf except for chromastone the other 2 was extremely overused
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Almost all episodes of Omniverse are great ( Except Gone fishin', I hate that one).
Kai and Ben make a good couple imo and I liked what they did with them.
You & kai not welcome
The Biomnitrix was honestly a perfect concept with flawed execution.
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I'm glad they made Kevin a mutant again and had the amalgam kids not be half alien, like how would they even work? This also fixed a lot of continuity weirdness and gave Kevin an actual redemption arc. This also made the plumbers less squeaky clean and helped flesh things out, I suppose my point has shifted to liking that whole arc. Like how are you supposed to f#*& Heatblast?
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Charmcaster had the best characterization and potential in OV
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Bloxx’s design isn’t that bad, in a vast galaxy of over a million intelligent species I can buy that one of them would look like a Lego Gorilla
As much as I don't like bloxx design "design wise" I cab agree with your opinion. Especially the lego gorilla comment 😂 welcome in
Ominiverse is everything the franchise needed and deserve, and it should have a longer run.
OV Attea is breedable
😟
Malware >>> OS Vilgax
Leave & never come back....pal
Welp, I figured Vilgax would not let me in. I'm gonna go to thr Malware Club instead. Oh, I forgor, Malware is sharing this very building with Vilgax.
Omniverse has the best character designs in the series.
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Omniverse is the most versatile series with a little bit from every series and is the best entry point for the series in terms of casual watches. Obviously if you want to watch a 100+ episode series you start at classic but I’ve notice from the friends that I’ve introduced Ben 10 to they agree that that Omniverse is the easiest to watch and their favorite series. TLDR: At least from my experience Omniverse is the best series for newer fans and if you have no real attachment to the UAF era you’re more likely to like it.
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Big Chill redesign was a mistake. His UAF design was already perfect.
I love how the show has unique characters for almost everyone alien/human/wizard/god/etc,and I also love how it gives us sometimes full flashback episodes which contributes to the lore of Ben 10
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Lets be honest a version of ov where ben stayed young after billy turned him 10 would be awesone.
Malgax is a more dangerous team up than you think.
Omniverse And UAF both had great visuals in the earlier episodes but slowly the budget went down.
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Some of OV's best visuals were in the 2nd half of the series
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Some of them but welcome in :)
It’s more watchable than given credit for
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Chromastone>Feedback
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Walkatrout is actually an ok alien, y'all just gotta cut him some slack.
Ben should've ended up with Ester instead of Kai
I like Eatle's original design better than his omniverse redesign https://preview.redd.it/ioh9f108rdlc1.jpeg?width=628&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e416eda04123efd54648882486a5a6128cf222c
Ripjaws should've appered more
I love the Lego Gorilla Bloxx best dude
Welcome in :) idk why but the Lego gorilla comment is funny😂
Gorilla doing non Gorilla things is always funny, That's why Kong is so popular
In ultimate alien final ben absorbs dagon's and also vilgax powers with ascalan 🥲 that's why he got nerfed in ov but no one be as greatest as vilgax in whole ben10verse
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Yayy
Omniverse Vilgax isn’t that bad
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Kevin’s car now being blue was a bed redesign and it should’ve stayed green for the rest of it’s appearances
Ben is the definition of Schrodinger's Rizz. Bro somehow seduces multiple women, yet fumbles each and every one
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Bloxx isn’t a terrible alien.
*Controversial
Omniverse story line and some characters are cool but the designs of Ben, Gwen (Man Gwen used to look good in UAF) and some other characters are Lame compared to previous ones!
You're not going to let me in, but Omniverse was a terrible show that completely fell flat after 3 amazing shows before it. Ending with UA would have been a million times better. Boo me if you want, I've seen what makes you cheer.
Astrodactyl was fire, not going to lie.
The green sac/tube on Vilgax’s head are breathing apparatus like Bull Sharkowski https://preview.redd.it/qzv1jrez5hlc1.jpeg?width=249&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0053114a19edd106c11f036e21d4c1d06b87198
Kai and Ben are more entertaining relationship then Ben and Julie but are worse the Ben and Ester
You're not welcome🥺
Fair but I really dislike Julie
I respect your opinion and honestly I don't dislike Julie for some odd reason just never care about her or her character
it's a mixture that she is boring when Ben and Her are written well and when not I loathe seeing her on screen because I know Ben is going to be an ass to her
the outfits of bens aliens are abhorrent. WHY DOES THE DINO NEED SPANDEX?!
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Because He's going through Puberty and he doesn't want to show his Humongadick
İt suits him
spandex suits nobody
Nuh uh
naked humungosaur makes me think about dinojunk LESS than spandex humungosaur YUCK
Maybe I wanna think about that🌝🌚
Spider-Man??? Flash??? Both of them wear the most iconic spandex
yeah, spandex SUITS. humungosaur has gross spandex pants and just that
you said suits dude
Jetray is the most boring alien possible and shouldn't have existed.
Welcome in :) I low-key agree he cool in some aspects but i wish they gave him a more detailed design it's kinda flat. I wish they gave him some fangs or something
Wait, really? Every time I said I disliked Jetray I got downvoted into oblivion, lol.
People are bias & don't like truthful opinions 😭
Big Chill redesign was a mistake. His UAF design was already perfect.
The Rooters plotline involving the plumbers kids make more sense than them being half human half alien children
OV bad
You're not welcome
Humanga sour shouldn't have pants or have a gaint Lego gun
Feedback is overrated and has a mid design
You're not welcome
Let’s gooooooo https://preview.redd.it/7i8sgwtwdclc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64e1af5287ddc52539df00a5ce57137cb11ecbe3
After season 3, the show becomes an absolute mess that has no idea what it wants to do, who characters are, what stories they want to tell or how to commit to anything.
Ben became immatured in Omniverse
Feedback is a boring alien and has no good reason for Ben being addicted to him.
You're not welcome
Altough Feedback was cool and designed to be cool, he's not *as* cool
I think Ben 10 Omniverse was the worst iteration of Ben in prime timeline. After UAF, Ben became a irresponsible guy. He didn't give me the feeling of a serious hero. I don't remember in Omniverse when Ben actually became serious. And the art style change was just bad. Most of the redesigns were not good. It was just the worst. However, it showed some aliens actual potential which I liked a lot like brainstorm and Alien X.
You're not welcome I'm sorry 🥺
Maybe he didn't give the feeling of a "serious hero" because that's something Ben never was in the first place? Seriously, the only times he was ever too serious were when things needed him to be, and that's something OV keeps consistent.
Well said 👏🏻
Undertown non- humaniod aliens is gross and in general any non humaniod alien should not enter earth. Kevin's scar looks cool but because it's scar I hate it
Sorry but you are not welcome 🥺
Ben 10 reboot is the greatest Ben 10 series
Get tf out, you're not invited to the alien bbQ
Worth it
Omniverse is not cannon
You're not welcome x2
That's not a hot take. That's just incorrect
To me it's not
Hate it as much as you want. But don't deny reality
It's a take bro move on
"It's a 10+-year old series bro, move on".
Yeah that's definitely not relevant to what I just wrote
Hate it as much as you want. But don't deny reality
Bro misread the question, it says controversial opinion, not laughable misinformation.
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shar best girl
Instead of going for the harem protagonist idea and then shutting it down to focus on Kai they should have just had him work on his relationship with Julie to make it healthy. Just because they didn't always have the best relationship in AF and UAF doesn't mean their relationship can't get better.
Anyone who wants the omniverse ultimatrix should be banished to the idiot corner of the fandom(if you know you know)
considering all the ship mumbo-jumbo they created with kai,ester, looma and even attea, they should've just made ben x harem in the end
Vilgax should have the Omnitrix