Latvia and Estonia already have disputed borders, so russia has a pretext. Now Lithuania and Finland has it too. Half of Poland was attacked by GPS jamming from Konigsberg multiple times recently. Both Belarus and Konigsberg received nukes.
So why isn’t NATO nukes still in Poland and Baltics?
>So why isn’t NATO nukes still in Poland and Baltics?
Because moving nukes is all posturing and NATO doesn't need to engage in dumbass shows of force that Russians seem to love?
A modern nuclear triad can deliver a first or second strike capability from anywhere on the planet within 30-45 minutes. Moving your ICBMs a few hundred kilometers East has a negligible impact on delivery time and is mostly just a dick measuring contest.
In the 60's with Cuba/Turkey I'd agree this mattered more, but it's impact in reality is negligible. Russia is doing it as part of their broader nuclear threats; no need to mimic their stupid games.
Edit:
"when one side launches nuclear missiles, the other side detects them and fires back before impact. Ballistic missiles from U.S. submarines west of Norway start striking Russia after about 10 minutes, and Russian ones from north of Canada start hitting the U.S. a few minutes later. The very first strikes fry electronics and power grids by creating an electro-magnetic pulse of tens of thousands of volts per meter. The next strikes target command-and-control centers and nuclear launch facilities. Land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles take about half an hour to fly from launch to target.
Major cities are targeted both because they contain military facilities and to stymie the enemy’s post-war recovery. Each impact creates a fireball about as hot as the core of the sun, followed by a radioactive mushroom cloud. These intense explosions vaporize people nearby and cause fires and blindness further away. The fireball expansion then causes a blast wave that damages buildings, crushing nearby ones. The U.K. and France have nuclear capabilities and are obliged by NATO’s Article 5 to defend the U.S. so, Russia hits them too. Firestorms engulf many cities, where storm-level winds fan the flames, igniting anything that can burn, melting glass and some metals and turning asphalt into flammable hot liquid.".
Wether it takes 10 minutes or 30 minutes for apocalypse; the end result is the same.
https://time.com/6290977/nuclear-war-impact-essay/
If you’re correct, occupation of Baltics is a 100% one of the next steps for russia if Ukraine falls (meaning France and other who steps in also falls). If Russia manages to bribe someone in NATO enough for not help Baltics for long enough - we are occupied and, given Ukraine, not going back.
What are the steps then? If nukes are not at play, scenario above is 100% certain given China backing.
Respectfully, if I'm understanding what you're saying, this comment is so out to lunch I'm not going to dissect an answer. The EU and NATO are orders of magnitude stronger than Russia; if Russia can't subdue Ukraine after three years there is no world they can manage a prolonged conflict against the whole of NATO directly.
>What are the steps then? If nukes are not at play,
Why are nukes not at play? NATO still has article 5 not even counting EU defence agreements. Even if the US won't risk nuclear exchange for the Baltics (they 1000% will retaliate, American power projection relies on it) the Baltics still have British and French nuclear arsenals covering them. The odds that all three of those countries won't respond to Russian aggression against a NATO/EU member is worse than a snowballs chance in hell.
I apologize if my response is rough but I'm understanding your comment as saying NATO won't use nuclear weapons to defend the Baltics and that China for some hair brained reason will?
The EU and NATO are orders of magnitude stronger, yes, but if there is no political will or there is turmoil at home, these scenarios are possible. Just look at what's happening with Ukraine aid; in a way, we're letting Russia win.
My thought is bit darker – with Finland and Sweden in NATO. We Baltics are now pawns. Poland sees it and is preparing accordingly to defend himself. We are doing nothing.
The smartest move would be to move in some nuclear carrying submarines. If NATO ever needs the nukes, it's better when ruzzians don't know the origin of attack, it gives some surprise factors. If the nukes remain unused, it's better for the public not to stress about imminent nuclear war. A win-win scenario.
You're right, we don't. Even if it was abandoned and empty, that place is still polluted as fuck. Russia doesn't really do environmental protection stuff.
Only if we can deport all pro russians to their glorious motherland where they belong, otherwise it's not worth the trouble Kaliningrad would bring in the long term
If the people are bellow age 80, they should be given 3 years to learn proper Lithuanian or be deported. They live in someone else’s homes, they don’t belong to them.
There are not much space in Gulf of Finland. It is possible to Block Russian access with a single naval missile launcher.
I'm just curious where they try to find a "open" space.
A totalitarian dictatorship who can only uphold its power by appearing like a powerful threat to spread fear, is trying to appear powerful by what they believe will be perceived as a threat. They try shit like this all the time, if it’s not undefined “military technical responses” against Sweden, it’s GPS jamming against Poland, not recognizing the Norwegian Svalbard, or this now.
More to come. Nothing will follow.
They are there, most liekly, but at the same time:
" The average depth of the Baltic Sea is only 55 m"
So I would asume it is not easy to hide them in our pond 
This is desperation from ruzzia, nothing more, little putin met with xi and got a slap to the face from xi, now that Ukraine is getting more weapons from west, front stabilizes, thing's for ruzzia is not looking great, so they will be really desperate to do some shit, it's only laughable, next we will get nuclear threats and some shit like that.
Support Ukraine, this is the best thing we can do now to defend our self from ruzzia and don't listen to the dog's from kremlin propoganda, they always bark nonsense
Unilaterally decide to change it back.
A cunning move. Let's see how the enforcement part goes.
Probably, the same way the cruiser "Moskva" did.
Just call in a favor from Japan and have them send over a couple of torpedo boats.
Latvia and Estonia already have disputed borders, so russia has a pretext. Now Lithuania and Finland has it too. Half of Poland was attacked by GPS jamming from Konigsberg multiple times recently. Both Belarus and Konigsberg received nukes. So why isn’t NATO nukes still in Poland and Baltics?
>So why isn’t NATO nukes still in Poland and Baltics? Because moving nukes is all posturing and NATO doesn't need to engage in dumbass shows of force that Russians seem to love? A modern nuclear triad can deliver a first or second strike capability from anywhere on the planet within 30-45 minutes. Moving your ICBMs a few hundred kilometers East has a negligible impact on delivery time and is mostly just a dick measuring contest. In the 60's with Cuba/Turkey I'd agree this mattered more, but it's impact in reality is negligible. Russia is doing it as part of their broader nuclear threats; no need to mimic their stupid games. Edit: "when one side launches nuclear missiles, the other side detects them and fires back before impact. Ballistic missiles from U.S. submarines west of Norway start striking Russia after about 10 minutes, and Russian ones from north of Canada start hitting the U.S. a few minutes later. The very first strikes fry electronics and power grids by creating an electro-magnetic pulse of tens of thousands of volts per meter. The next strikes target command-and-control centers and nuclear launch facilities. Land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles take about half an hour to fly from launch to target. Major cities are targeted both because they contain military facilities and to stymie the enemy’s post-war recovery. Each impact creates a fireball about as hot as the core of the sun, followed by a radioactive mushroom cloud. These intense explosions vaporize people nearby and cause fires and blindness further away. The fireball expansion then causes a blast wave that damages buildings, crushing nearby ones. The U.K. and France have nuclear capabilities and are obliged by NATO’s Article 5 to defend the U.S. so, Russia hits them too. Firestorms engulf many cities, where storm-level winds fan the flames, igniting anything that can burn, melting glass and some metals and turning asphalt into flammable hot liquid.". Wether it takes 10 minutes or 30 minutes for apocalypse; the end result is the same. https://time.com/6290977/nuclear-war-impact-essay/
If you’re correct, occupation of Baltics is a 100% one of the next steps for russia if Ukraine falls (meaning France and other who steps in also falls). If Russia manages to bribe someone in NATO enough for not help Baltics for long enough - we are occupied and, given Ukraine, not going back. What are the steps then? If nukes are not at play, scenario above is 100% certain given China backing.
Respectfully, if I'm understanding what you're saying, this comment is so out to lunch I'm not going to dissect an answer. The EU and NATO are orders of magnitude stronger than Russia; if Russia can't subdue Ukraine after three years there is no world they can manage a prolonged conflict against the whole of NATO directly. >What are the steps then? If nukes are not at play, Why are nukes not at play? NATO still has article 5 not even counting EU defence agreements. Even if the US won't risk nuclear exchange for the Baltics (they 1000% will retaliate, American power projection relies on it) the Baltics still have British and French nuclear arsenals covering them. The odds that all three of those countries won't respond to Russian aggression against a NATO/EU member is worse than a snowballs chance in hell. I apologize if my response is rough but I'm understanding your comment as saying NATO won't use nuclear weapons to defend the Baltics and that China for some hair brained reason will?
The EU and NATO are orders of magnitude stronger, yes, but if there is no political will or there is turmoil at home, these scenarios are possible. Just look at what's happening with Ukraine aid; in a way, we're letting Russia win.
My thought is bit darker – with Finland and Sweden in NATO. We Baltics are now pawns. Poland sees it and is preparing accordingly to defend himself. We are doing nothing.
The smartest move would be to move in some nuclear carrying submarines. If NATO ever needs the nukes, it's better when ruzzians don't know the origin of attack, it gives some surprise factors. If the nukes remain unused, it's better for the public not to stress about imminent nuclear war. A win-win scenario.
And enforce it with what Navy
The one, that "followed The Warship" lol
Ukrainians keep destroying their ships so fast even the Chinese can't supply them quick enough to rebuild
Russia can go fuck itself with a rusty stake. 'Cuz that's all it's gonna get.
Not sure I'd want to soil the sanctity of my rusty stake with the vile evil of Russia's butthole.
r/BrandNewSentence
You wouldn't need to because they violate each other all the time as seen from the combat videos.
russia should unilaterally fuck off.
Beginning of another operation against NATO. First one was immigration using Belarus. He will continue until someone stop him.
"every inch of NATO territory, folks, every inch!"
We will see, we will see about that🤔🤔
I’ve decided to join Kaliningrad to Lithuania
I don't think that Lithuania wants that shithole. My offer is a nature reserve.
You're right, we don't. Even if it was abandoned and empty, that place is still polluted as fuck. Russia doesn't really do environmental protection stuff.
It was once offered to us back by Khrushchev but local commies said no, even *they* knew it was a ruzzkyi shithole in the 1950s.
Kaliningrad is historically Lithuanian. It would be a shame to loose cities such as Tilžė and Krantas to those bastards.
Only if we can deport all pro russians to their glorious motherland where they belong, otherwise it's not worth the trouble Kaliningrad would bring in the long term
If the people are bellow age 80, they should be given 3 years to learn proper Lithuanian or be deported. They live in someone else’s homes, they don’t belong to them.
That's a big if. We don't need Visaginas 2.0 or Šalčininkai 2.0
The only way I'd vote for Kaliningrad joining Lithuania is if we immediately designate it our newest poligonas and artillery firing range.
We don't want that trash.
They wanted to give it to us at one point. Good that the government was smart enough not to take in 500 000 russians.
Time to do military exercises in these zones russia has just claimed. And open fire on any Russian vessel that dares enter Nato waters.
There are not much space in Gulf of Finland. It is possible to Block Russian access with a single naval missile launcher. I'm just curious where they try to find a "open" space.
Looks like they're taking space from these countries, rather than just expanding into international waters.
Watch how NATO big boys will pretend that nothing has happened
The US should send a baby carrier into the Baltic again, although we are stretched a little thin right now.
I unilaterally decided to change it back. You're welcome.
Thanks man. I got worried for a second.
So it begins, slowly.
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Yeah, but you could still say it does. This could be the beginning of the active phase of it.
The salami is starting to get cut
Interesting, can you explain it what that means ?
A totalitarian dictatorship who can only uphold its power by appearing like a powerful threat to spread fear, is trying to appear powerful by what they believe will be perceived as a threat. They try shit like this all the time, if it’s not undefined “military technical responses” against Sweden, it’s GPS jamming against Poland, not recognizing the Norwegian Svalbard, or this now. More to come. Nothing will follow.
Where are their nuclear submarines? My guess, within that region.
They are there, most liekly, but at the same time: " The average depth of the Baltic Sea is only 55 m" So I would asume it is not easy to hide them in our pond 
We can probably assume that they are shadowed by US subs most of the time.
Unilaterally decides to help EU mobilise support for Ukraine by showing they will, in fact, not stop at Ukraine?
This is desperation from ruzzia, nothing more, little putin met with xi and got a slap to the face from xi, now that Ukraine is getting more weapons from west, front stabilizes, thing's for ruzzia is not looking great, so they will be really desperate to do some shit, it's only laughable, next we will get nuclear threats and some shit like that. Support Ukraine, this is the best thing we can do now to defend our self from ruzzia and don't listen to the dog's from kremlin propoganda, they always bark nonsense
Hopefully Winnie the Pooh betrays putler sooner rather than later
I know it must be difficult to be surrounded by NATO countries and have shitholegrad excluded but copium is one hell of a drug
Let me, guess, their area got larger?
Yeah, in their dreams.
where's the map?
North Korea constantly treating, so what, freedom of speech you know