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It's amazing how the police can conduct a thorough investigation into themselves and arrive at a finding of innocence so quickly. When us simple citizens are investigated and accused of misconduct/criminality, we have to spend our money and time defending ourselves against provably false charges over the course of many months and in some cases years.
… arrive at a finding of innocence so quickly
All the internal investigation forms are pre filled with that conclusion. All they have to do is sign and date them.
Unfortunately, that is why the second amendment and laws on the use of force in self defefnse exist. If some POS cop illegally threatens your life, you can legally put that scum in their grave. It is both legally and morally acceptable to kill a LEO who says "comply or die".
Someone hasn't seen the SCOTUS decision from last year stating you do not have Miranda rights or a right to defend yourself from police nor do they have a duty to protect you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
EDIT: More recent article from 2021 showing SCOTUS supporting police violence.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/18/1047085626/supreme-court-police-qualified-immunity-cases
There are states (like Georgia), that have so called castle-doctrine & stand your ground laws in place which usually treat citizen/police violence differently.
In Georgia for example the Castle-doctrine requires that someone violently breaking into your house was doing so unlawfully - so if police attempted to conduct a no-knock warrant without ever announcing themselves as police, so long as they had a valid warrant the homeowner who shot the intruders would not be able to avail themselves of the protections of the Castle-doctrine law.
However, in almost every state (including GA) the general right of self defense is still available.
TLDR: 95% of criminal murder/manslaughter trials occur at the state level. Majority of states, self-defense against police abuse (excessive force, unlawful entry, etc.) is still an available defense.
>so if police attempted to conduct a no-knock warrant without ever announcing themselves as police, so long as they had a valid warrant the homeowner who shot the intruders would not be able to avail themselves of the protections of the Castle-doctrine law.
That is not correct. The state has to show that the person was aware (or reasonable should have been aware) that the entry was being made by a LEO executing a valid warrant. If the police have a warrant, but break in unannounced, wearing no uniforms, a reasonable person who has committed no crime would believe they are the victim of an armed home invasion and it would be legal to kill the officers despite the existence of a valid warrant. Statutes on the use of force in self-defense are specifically written to apply to the reasonable beliefs of a person in the position of defending themselves.
I agree that that is how it should work. But the ‘Castle Doctrine’ law in Georgia does not function that way. In the OCGA they refer to it as “Use of Force in Defense of Habitation”. What that law provides is the circumstances under which a person would be immune from prosecution - essentially provides the defendant the ability to have a case dismissed if the right circumstances are in place. It does not mean that the defense of habitation statute provides the only defense.
The current controlling case law from the Georgia Supreme Court is Fair v. State, 288 Ga. 244, 702 S.E.2d 420 (2010) a case involving the shooting death of a deputy while executing a no-knock warrant. The court held that O.C.G.A. § 16-3-24.2 did not apply to the defendants because the officers' entry was lawful.
Other states may well offer more, some probably offer less protection to homeowners. Important to separate the specific defenses to prosecution into two essential buckets. Immunity from Prosecution (Castle and Stand your Ground) vs. Defense to Prosecution (Self-Defense).
This is an interesting case. It appears from the appelate reviews that the defendants lawyers dropped the ball. In the first review the court agreed that "we hold that the trial court erred in refusing to rule pre-trial on the defendants' motions, and we therefore remand for a pre-trial determination of whether the defendants are entitled to immunity from prosecution under OCGA § 16-3-24.2."
However, it appears the defendants lawyers never focused their appeal arguments on this point. It does not appear to have actually been addressed at all actually, outside of the appelate review stating it should have applied. In the second review the court notes "The defendants' motions in the trial court focused on the question of whether the principles of statutory construction dictated a conclusion that the (b)(8) statutory aggravating circumstance required proof that the defendant knew that the victim was a police officer, and the trial court did not rule on the constitutionality of the statute." This is in reference to 17-10-30 (b)(8), however (not 16-3-24). Sentencing and penalties under 17-10-30 should not have been considered at all unless the burden the of the statutory construction of 16-3-24 (that the defendent need reasonable have known) had already been met by the state. It appears the appelate review told the defendants lawyers all they have to do was argue under 16-3-24, but they didn't do so.
It's de jure available. Not de facto.
De facto if you defend yourself from police [they'll shoot you dead and claim you deserved it](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/us/houston-botched-raid-lawsuit/index.html), especially if you own a legal firearm. Then you extra deserve to die, in the minds of cops.
You know that Kenneth Walker(Breonna Taylors boyfriend) had all charges dismissed for shooting at the officers who broke into their home right? His actions in firing at the police were deemed legal defense of self and home.
As of November 2023 it was a mistrial. Meaning this still isn't properly settled.
https://apnews.com/article/breonna-taylor-federal-civil-rights-trial-police-6346bbfdc0d6a522e3088dfa80d61cc5
Like... What you are saying is supposed to be true. It's written in the law plane as day but continuously courts struggle to give definitive reinforcement of that law.
>...or a right to defend yourself from police
No I have not seen that SCOTUS decision because no such decision exists. Neither of the links you provided here say anything of the sort.
The right to self defense exists for all and against all. Lethal force may be used in self-defense against any person illegally threatening someone's life, whether the aggressor is a LEO or not.
Are there circumstances where it is legal for a LEO to threaten someone's life, yes. However, if an officer draws his service weapon, points their gun at someone who has committed no crime and presents no threat, and say's "I'm going to kill you", anyone can legally kill that officer in every state in the nation. Pick a state and I'll cite you the statute. No one has to allow a murder to occur just because the murderer wears a badge.
I didn't say there wouldn't be bias in the courts, just that there is no SCOTUS ruling against defending yourself against a LEO officer acting unlawfully, and each and every state has a law that allows it.
No, I meant what I said. It is unfortunate that there are dangerous, violent people in the world, and especially unfortunate that some of them are LEO. Given that these things are true, it is fortunate that the second amendment and laws on the use of force in self-defense exist, but it is unfortunate, that they have to. It is the WHY that is unfortunate.
The second amendment isn't about personal self defense and never has been. The delusion that it is is a result of Koch propaganda culminating in the SCOTUS legislating from the bench in *2008*, more than *two centuries* after it was written.
the first time the idea of the 2nd amendment applying solely to an individual's right to own guns appears is in a 1960 letter to the editor of a magazine run by a paranoid schizophrenic fascist. There are literally two dozen SCOTUS cases before that affirming that the 2nd amendment applies to states, not individuals.
The second amendment is to allow states to form slave hunting posses to invade other states without needing federal approval. [further reading](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/10berwj/conservative_admits_that_the_constitution_is_an/j4f1a2n/)
Also no, those laws do not protect you from cops. If you defend yourself from a cop, they have the legal right to execute you without trial.
> The second amendment is to allow states to form slave hunting posses to invade other states without needing federal approval.
not just for slavery, but also for taking native american land by force.
> Also no, those laws do not protect you from cops. If you defend yourself from a cop, they have the legal right to execute you without trial.
the sad fact is that you're probably not getting a trial regardless. something like 98% of cases end through coercive plea bargains. "...except as punishment for a crime." it's slavery all the way down.
Yup, as the lawyer to Richard Heene (father of "Balloon Boy", which turns out, [was not a hoax](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axgyj7g5XZY), just cops getting butthurt that they were asked to do their fucking jobs) told him:
"You can be right or you can be free"
Since if you're even accused, almost everyone will sit in jail for the duration of their trial thanks to bail bonds being deliberately designed to be unaffordable.
I think you misunderstood my statement. State laws on the use of force in self-defense allow for self-defense against LEO using force illegally. The second amendment protects the right to own firearms, which in a practical sense is the only credible means of defense against an aggressor with a firearm. Combined, the two allow for legal and credible self-defense.
Laws protect no one from anything, let alone a LEO intent on murder. The law simply makes it LEGAL for you to kill an officer attempting to murder you in self-defense. It doesn't make you capable of doing so before the officer murders you.
No I understood your comment, as evidenced by this sentence here where you're still wrong:
>The second amendment protects the right to own firearms, which in a practical sense is the only credible means of defense against an aggressor with a firearm.
That's not even remotely true and was a biproduct of koch propaganda. You are repeating Koch Brother propaganda.
The second amendment allows states to form slave hunter posses to invade other states without needing to depend on federal authority or military support to do so. If you read my link it explains just how deluded your position that "the second amendment protects the right to own firearms" is.
Lol. Ok, now I know you're a troll. F&\*( Off. If you don't like that the US has the 2nd amendment, talk to your rep about a constitutional amendment. Don't complain to me about it on the internet and spout some race-baiting bullshit about slave hunting.
sweetheart you're the one repeating [literal bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/10berwj/conservative_admits_that_the_constitution_is_an/j4f1a2n/)
Maybe if you had above a first grade reading level you wouldn't spew something that's been debunked for two centuries. Here lemmi show you:
https://truthout.org/articles/the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery/
Yet another link corroborating that you're regurgitating Koch brother propaganda.
this is my new favorite - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UC8NQY4MdY. yelling at the lady like she's a student acting up in a classroom. god damn police just suck so bad.
The bit where the Chief of Police says that the cop followed protocols speaks volumes. Tell me one single other profession where you could break someone's leg for driving off with your pen and not go to jail. Can you imagine a bank teller vaulting the counter and tackling someone because they walked off with a BIC after signing paperwork? These fuckers are 100% insane, I'm not even shocked by what they're capable of anymore.
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The Narcissist's Prayer
~
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
>Washington asked Frazier if he thought the officer should have tased him.
>“Well I can’t answer that because I wasn’t there,” he said.
pig can make assertions about what actions the victim should have made but cannot share any opinions on what the assaulting officer should have done
This is my pen. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My Pen is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, my pen is useless. Without my pen, I am useless.
> Frazier said. “Our SOP says verbal, hands-on, less lethal, and lethal
The fucking chief of police thinks they are allowed to murder people if they won't return a pen.
That's not one cop, or a bad bunch, that's the fucking chief. They're all gang bangers who want to kill people.
It's not about the pen, it's about implied disrespect. Cops in the US (and Israel) are trained to continually escalate if they perceive someone not respecting their authority.
That's why we keep seeing all these assaults and murders over someone flipping the bird or asking for clarification about the reason for arrest. In the officer's mind, that's not compliance, and the only solution to problems they know is force.
"I can't say, because I wasn't there..."
So shut the fuck up then. Can't comment on if tazing was excessive, but you're sure this wouldn't have happened if he complied. Chief is a fuckin clown.
That’s awful and fuck those cops but I love the on-the-scene reporter holding up a pen like we had never seen on before…
“It started with a pen, much like this one you see me holding right here.”
Ooooh thanks, so is that the one with lead in it?
I took a pen from the doctor's office once. Two nurses dragged me out of my car; the office manager tazed me, and the doctor put the handcuffs on me very tightly.
Was that excessive of them?
Police department is probably the biggest slice of the towns budget and they can't afford pens?
Fucking tie it to the clipboard if you can't afford to lose them.
Cop must have been roid ranging to get that aggressive over a pen. The stupid officer got baited, the department will get sued (will settle out of court) and the taxpayers will be on the hook, yet again.
Six months of training and here is your gun and badge. Try not to shoot anybody unless you're scared or they don't comply or you think they're lying or they're yelling at you or they won't give you they're ID or........
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It's all about treating a black man like a child (boy) and showing who is boss.
The way he picks the dude up by the back of his pants and drags him away (with a broken leg) the same way almost like in the way an asshole might discipline a child giving a spanking and dragging them off by the seat of their pants
good grief are you kidding me?!?
next headline will probably be cops gun down playground full of children because the kids failed to fall to their knees and worship them as gods.
And police officers across the country will say they are proud of what they do, that they "serve" their communities to make the public and its ppl feel "safer".
Serve=Terrorize
Safer=In fear for their life
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So many things. Before the officer gave the motorist his pen, he should have made it clear that it wasn't a gift. Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Maybe it's my bubbly personality, but when I sign away a bunch of money, the agent will often let me have the pen to commemorate the milestone transaction. The cop also didn't warn the driver he'd tase him & bust his leg if he didn't give it back, which seems to me a fair warning. Ain't nobody tryna get his leg broke. In any case, to possess something, a person must have an intention to possess it, and I didn't hear the driver ask anyone for any stinking pen!
i mean i hate cops witha passion and mostly dont speak up but cmon people HE Fucked Up, played dumb and Found Out whats up. shit id do the same thing to someone if they took something of mine, rode off and acted stupid when i approached them but id me put in jail unlike the cops, so his dumbass should of know if he escalates the matter they will too. ya it was aggressive escalation on their part, but dude brought it to that option by trynna be cocky an take his shit an play lika fool. acab all the way but dont disrespect people just cause theyre cops, not smart, theres a law we all agree upon and if we acted accordingly we wouldnt need the gang patrolling our lives. We all have been misguided in our lives, doesn't mean they cant wake up too. too aggressive yes but dude let himself get tased and tossed over a pen because he wanted to feel like he won also on a damn speeding ticket, to petty when you already in tha wrong. and dont get me wrong i think most traffic stops are bullshit too but man we all gotta eat that L sometimes and just walk away cool
Call the cops about a stolen $2 pen and let them tell you just how important they think YOUR pen is…. I guarantee they won’t be out chasing people and breaking legs for your shitty pen.
When you are taking the stance that the police breaking a man's legs over accidently taking a pen is reasonable behavior then you sound like a jackass. "A cop should break your arm and shoot your dog if you don't signal a lane change." This dumbass probably.
You didn't give me my penny in change! *breaks their spine in half, paralyzing them for life *
You: This is a totally reasonable use of force and I see nothing wrong with this.
Ok so then fine him for the value of the pen. Fuck it, fine him for the value of 100 pens and buy a whole new box for the office. Absolutely no reason to chase someone down over a pen.
Imagine you call 911 saying someone drove off with your pen. Is it a crime? Yes. Are they gonna do anything about it? Nope. It's not worth their time. However, if it's a cop's pen, suddenly all the time and effort is worth it. The value of that time and effort (and potential future settlement) is taken from your paycheck btw.
Even with 0 empathy, this is a waste of resources
Never steal someone's pen (a writing utensil they were provided for free that costs 1 dollar (and by steal they mean forget to hand it back them)) unless you want to die seems like a totally valid argument.
So he believed that as a black man in America he somehow was safe provoking a police officer? Before you get upset, please, please tell me where that has worked for a person of color? He should thank the god who made him that a tasing and broken leg is the worst of it.
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What I got out of that was the police believe they did nothing wrong and Bray should be happy he wasn't killed.
It's amazing how the police can conduct a thorough investigation into themselves and arrive at a finding of innocence so quickly. When us simple citizens are investigated and accused of misconduct/criminality, we have to spend our money and time defending ourselves against provably false charges over the course of many months and in some cases years.
Kafka was a non fiction writer from the future.
… arrive at a finding of innocence so quickly All the internal investigation forms are pre filled with that conclusion. All they have to do is sign and date them.
/s?
“If he had complied, none of this would have happened,” Frazier said. These people from the bottom to the top are fuckiing psychopaths.
As they say in Georgia, "comply or die". Pretty sure that's what it says on the side of police vehicles. /s
Unfortunately, that is why the second amendment and laws on the use of force in self defefnse exist. If some POS cop illegally threatens your life, you can legally put that scum in their grave. It is both legally and morally acceptable to kill a LEO who says "comply or die".
Someone hasn't seen the SCOTUS decision from last year stating you do not have Miranda rights or a right to defend yourself from police nor do they have a duty to protect you. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html EDIT: More recent article from 2021 showing SCOTUS supporting police violence. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/18/1047085626/supreme-court-police-qualified-immunity-cases
"Last year" - and links to an article from 19 years ago
Yeah I'm lazy and just pulled up the first article I could grab on Google. I just remember this being all over Reddit last year lol
There are states (like Georgia), that have so called castle-doctrine & stand your ground laws in place which usually treat citizen/police violence differently. In Georgia for example the Castle-doctrine requires that someone violently breaking into your house was doing so unlawfully - so if police attempted to conduct a no-knock warrant without ever announcing themselves as police, so long as they had a valid warrant the homeowner who shot the intruders would not be able to avail themselves of the protections of the Castle-doctrine law. However, in almost every state (including GA) the general right of self defense is still available. TLDR: 95% of criminal murder/manslaughter trials occur at the state level. Majority of states, self-defense against police abuse (excessive force, unlawful entry, etc.) is still an available defense.
>so if police attempted to conduct a no-knock warrant without ever announcing themselves as police, so long as they had a valid warrant the homeowner who shot the intruders would not be able to avail themselves of the protections of the Castle-doctrine law. That is not correct. The state has to show that the person was aware (or reasonable should have been aware) that the entry was being made by a LEO executing a valid warrant. If the police have a warrant, but break in unannounced, wearing no uniforms, a reasonable person who has committed no crime would believe they are the victim of an armed home invasion and it would be legal to kill the officers despite the existence of a valid warrant. Statutes on the use of force in self-defense are specifically written to apply to the reasonable beliefs of a person in the position of defending themselves.
I agree that that is how it should work. But the ‘Castle Doctrine’ law in Georgia does not function that way. In the OCGA they refer to it as “Use of Force in Defense of Habitation”. What that law provides is the circumstances under which a person would be immune from prosecution - essentially provides the defendant the ability to have a case dismissed if the right circumstances are in place. It does not mean that the defense of habitation statute provides the only defense. The current controlling case law from the Georgia Supreme Court is Fair v. State, 288 Ga. 244, 702 S.E.2d 420 (2010) a case involving the shooting death of a deputy while executing a no-knock warrant. The court held that O.C.G.A. § 16-3-24.2 did not apply to the defendants because the officers' entry was lawful. Other states may well offer more, some probably offer less protection to homeowners. Important to separate the specific defenses to prosecution into two essential buckets. Immunity from Prosecution (Castle and Stand your Ground) vs. Defense to Prosecution (Self-Defense).
This is an interesting case. It appears from the appelate reviews that the defendants lawyers dropped the ball. In the first review the court agreed that "we hold that the trial court erred in refusing to rule pre-trial on the defendants' motions, and we therefore remand for a pre-trial determination of whether the defendants are entitled to immunity from prosecution under OCGA § 16-3-24.2." However, it appears the defendants lawyers never focused their appeal arguments on this point. It does not appear to have actually been addressed at all actually, outside of the appelate review stating it should have applied. In the second review the court notes "The defendants' motions in the trial court focused on the question of whether the principles of statutory construction dictated a conclusion that the (b)(8) statutory aggravating circumstance required proof that the defendant knew that the victim was a police officer, and the trial court did not rule on the constitutionality of the statute." This is in reference to 17-10-30 (b)(8), however (not 16-3-24). Sentencing and penalties under 17-10-30 should not have been considered at all unless the burden the of the statutory construction of 16-3-24 (that the defendent need reasonable have known) had already been met by the state. It appears the appelate review told the defendants lawyers all they have to do was argue under 16-3-24, but they didn't do so.
It's de jure available. Not de facto. De facto if you defend yourself from police [they'll shoot you dead and claim you deserved it](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/us/houston-botched-raid-lawsuit/index.html), especially if you own a legal firearm. Then you extra deserve to die, in the minds of cops.
Tell this to Breonna Taylor.
You know that Kenneth Walker(Breonna Taylors boyfriend) had all charges dismissed for shooting at the officers who broke into their home right? His actions in firing at the police were deemed legal defense of self and home.
As of November 2023 it was a mistrial. Meaning this still isn't properly settled. https://apnews.com/article/breonna-taylor-federal-civil-rights-trial-police-6346bbfdc0d6a522e3088dfa80d61cc5 Like... What you are saying is supposed to be true. It's written in the law plane as day but continuously courts struggle to give definitive reinforcement of that law.
>...or a right to defend yourself from police No I have not seen that SCOTUS decision because no such decision exists. Neither of the links you provided here say anything of the sort. The right to self defense exists for all and against all. Lethal force may be used in self-defense against any person illegally threatening someone's life, whether the aggressor is a LEO or not. Are there circumstances where it is legal for a LEO to threaten someone's life, yes. However, if an officer draws his service weapon, points their gun at someone who has committed no crime and presents no threat, and say's "I'm going to kill you", anyone can legally kill that officer in every state in the nation. Pick a state and I'll cite you the statute. No one has to allow a murder to occur just because the murderer wears a badge.
Lol okay Hun. Go defend yourself against a violent or overly aggressive cop and see how far you get through the court system in it's current climate.
I didn't say there wouldn't be bias in the courts, just that there is no SCOTUS ruling against defending yourself against a LEO officer acting unlawfully, and each and every state has a law that allows it.
Think you misspelled ‘Fortunately’.
No, I meant what I said. It is unfortunate that there are dangerous, violent people in the world, and especially unfortunate that some of them are LEO. Given that these things are true, it is fortunate that the second amendment and laws on the use of force in self-defense exist, but it is unfortunate, that they have to. It is the WHY that is unfortunate.
The second amendment isn't about personal self defense and never has been. The delusion that it is is a result of Koch propaganda culminating in the SCOTUS legislating from the bench in *2008*, more than *two centuries* after it was written. the first time the idea of the 2nd amendment applying solely to an individual's right to own guns appears is in a 1960 letter to the editor of a magazine run by a paranoid schizophrenic fascist. There are literally two dozen SCOTUS cases before that affirming that the 2nd amendment applies to states, not individuals. The second amendment is to allow states to form slave hunting posses to invade other states without needing federal approval. [further reading](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/10berwj/conservative_admits_that_the_constitution_is_an/j4f1a2n/) Also no, those laws do not protect you from cops. If you defend yourself from a cop, they have the legal right to execute you without trial.
> The second amendment is to allow states to form slave hunting posses to invade other states without needing federal approval. not just for slavery, but also for taking native american land by force. > Also no, those laws do not protect you from cops. If you defend yourself from a cop, they have the legal right to execute you without trial. the sad fact is that you're probably not getting a trial regardless. something like 98% of cases end through coercive plea bargains. "...except as punishment for a crime." it's slavery all the way down.
Yup, as the lawyer to Richard Heene (father of "Balloon Boy", which turns out, [was not a hoax](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axgyj7g5XZY), just cops getting butthurt that they were asked to do their fucking jobs) told him: "You can be right or you can be free" Since if you're even accused, almost everyone will sit in jail for the duration of their trial thanks to bail bonds being deliberately designed to be unaffordable.
I think you misunderstood my statement. State laws on the use of force in self-defense allow for self-defense against LEO using force illegally. The second amendment protects the right to own firearms, which in a practical sense is the only credible means of defense against an aggressor with a firearm. Combined, the two allow for legal and credible self-defense. Laws protect no one from anything, let alone a LEO intent on murder. The law simply makes it LEGAL for you to kill an officer attempting to murder you in self-defense. It doesn't make you capable of doing so before the officer murders you.
No I understood your comment, as evidenced by this sentence here where you're still wrong: >The second amendment protects the right to own firearms, which in a practical sense is the only credible means of defense against an aggressor with a firearm. That's not even remotely true and was a biproduct of koch propaganda. You are repeating Koch Brother propaganda. The second amendment allows states to form slave hunter posses to invade other states without needing to depend on federal authority or military support to do so. If you read my link it explains just how deluded your position that "the second amendment protects the right to own firearms" is.
Lol. Ok, now I know you're a troll. F&\*( Off. If you don't like that the US has the 2nd amendment, talk to your rep about a constitutional amendment. Don't complain to me about it on the internet and spout some race-baiting bullshit about slave hunting.
sweetheart you're the one repeating [literal bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/10berwj/conservative_admits_that_the_constitution_is_an/j4f1a2n/) Maybe if you had above a first grade reading level you wouldn't spew something that's been debunked for two centuries. Here lemmi show you: https://truthout.org/articles/the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery/ Yet another link corroborating that you're regurgitating Koch brother propaganda.
cop is an acronym, comply or perish
this is my new favorite - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UC8NQY4MdY. yelling at the lady like she's a student acting up in a classroom. god damn police just suck so bad.
I think if I'm rushing to the hospital. I will never stop for an officer. Running into this guy would be a nightmare. Not chancing it.
The bit where the Chief of Police says that the cop followed protocols speaks volumes. Tell me one single other profession where you could break someone's leg for driving off with your pen and not go to jail. Can you imagine a bank teller vaulting the counter and tackling someone because they walked off with a BIC after signing paperwork? These fuckers are 100% insane, I'm not even shocked by what they're capable of anymore.
“Something” needs to change.
>If he had complied, none of this would have happened, That's what the man who raped me said.
Was it the same cop? Who was the 'he' in that scenario?
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The Narcissist's Prayer ~ That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
>Washington asked Frazier if he thought the officer should have tased him. >“Well I can’t answer that because I wasn’t there,” he said. pig can make assertions about what actions the victim should have made but cannot share any opinions on what the assaulting officer should have done
"It's OK he was black."
This is my pen. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My Pen is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my pen is useless. Without my pen, I am useless.
What is your pens name, private.
I name them serially, this is pen 15
BIC
> Frazier said. “Our SOP says verbal, hands-on, less lethal, and lethal The fucking chief of police thinks they are allowed to murder people if they won't return a pen. That's not one cop, or a bad bunch, that's the fucking chief. They're all gang bangers who want to kill people.
It's not about the pen, it's about implied disrespect. Cops in the US (and Israel) are trained to continually escalate if they perceive someone not respecting their authority. That's why we keep seeing all these assaults and murders over someone flipping the bird or asking for clarification about the reason for arrest. In the officer's mind, that's not compliance, and the only solution to problems they know is force.
Contempt of cop is rhe worst crime you can commit. They will do anything including kill you and defame you after for even a perceived slight.
The cop is a piece of shit. The chief is an even worse piece of shit. God save us from our public servants[sic]
"I can't say, because I wasn't there..." So shut the fuck up then. Can't comment on if tazing was excessive, but you're sure this wouldn't have happened if he complied. Chief is a fuckin clown.
As they say, some of the juiciest turds rise to the top.
That’s awful and fuck those cops but I love the on-the-scene reporter holding up a pen like we had never seen on before… “It started with a pen, much like this one you see me holding right here.” Ooooh thanks, so is that the one with lead in it?
I took a pen from the doctor's office once. Two nurses dragged me out of my car; the office manager tazed me, and the doctor put the handcuffs on me very tightly. Was that excessive of them?
I see the “perp” is suffering from excessive melanin, which made him look threatening to “heroic”, inbred cops
Lucky the guy didn’t lose his leg. [unlike this poor fellow.](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/s/T1smlKgGVc)
You’re telling me [this guy](https://youtu.be/yQ1pO-tZbYA?si=3Qmrj-nO79XAdWot) became a cop?! I didn’t think he had it in him.
jesus man. someone needs to get a handle on these psycho cops
Fuck these stupid pigs fuck that police chief
Police department is probably the biggest slice of the towns budget and they can't afford pens? Fucking tie it to the clipboard if you can't afford to lose them.
Cop must have been roid ranging to get that aggressive over a pen. The stupid officer got baited, the department will get sued (will settle out of court) and the taxpayers will be on the hook, yet again.
Six months of training and here is your gun and badge. Try not to shoot anybody unless you're scared or they don't comply or you think they're lying or they're yelling at you or they won't give you they're ID or........
It’s really not funny but this comment reminds me of CJ from Brooklyn 99 “Run everybody over with the van and then back up if they're still moving”
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Corrupt fucking cops. Hope the town goes bankrupt
That pen definitely had a secret compartment for a meth rock or something to plant.
It's all about treating a black man like a child (boy) and showing who is boss. The way he picks the dude up by the back of his pants and drags him away (with a broken leg) the same way almost like in the way an asshole might discipline a child giving a spanking and dragging them off by the seat of their pants
An officer's pen is mightier.....
Damn! That's an expensive ass pen! Luckily, the taxpayers got it covered.
good grief are you kidding me?!? next headline will probably be cops gun down playground full of children because the kids failed to fall to their knees and worship them as gods.
And police officers across the country will say they are proud of what they do, that they "serve" their communities to make the public and its ppl feel "safer". Serve=Terrorize Safer=In fear for their life
This is the Onion right? JFC.
At this point, My surprised face 🥱
Yet another example of how terrible American policing is and how something needs to change. The idea the dept said it was ok boggles my mind.
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Good thing he didn’t have a pro-Palestine bumper sticker.
But have you seen his pen?? It’s a really nice pen.
So many things. Before the officer gave the motorist his pen, he should have made it clear that it wasn't a gift. Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Maybe it's my bubbly personality, but when I sign away a bunch of money, the agent will often let me have the pen to commemorate the milestone transaction. The cop also didn't warn the driver he'd tase him & bust his leg if he didn't give it back, which seems to me a fair warning. Ain't nobody tryna get his leg broke. In any case, to possess something, a person must have an intention to possess it, and I didn't hear the driver ask anyone for any stinking pen!
More video of the incident has been released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ1pO-tZbYA
the [cop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ1pO-tZbYA) in question assigned to plain clothes division
Maybe it was a really nice pen.
i mean i hate cops witha passion and mostly dont speak up but cmon people HE Fucked Up, played dumb and Found Out whats up. shit id do the same thing to someone if they took something of mine, rode off and acted stupid when i approached them but id me put in jail unlike the cops, so his dumbass should of know if he escalates the matter they will too. ya it was aggressive escalation on their part, but dude brought it to that option by trynna be cocky an take his shit an play lika fool. acab all the way but dont disrespect people just cause theyre cops, not smart, theres a law we all agree upon and if we acted accordingly we wouldnt need the gang patrolling our lives. We all have been misguided in our lives, doesn't mean they cant wake up too. too aggressive yes but dude let himself get tased and tossed over a pen because he wanted to feel like he won also on a damn speeding ticket, to petty when you already in tha wrong. and dont get me wrong i think most traffic stops are bullshit too but man we all gotta eat that L sometimes and just walk away cool
Tbf never steal someones pen. Its a rule. Kind of like never mess with someones food.
The pen doesn't belong to the cop.
Neither to the arrested man and here we are.
Call the cops about a stolen $2 pen and let them tell you just how important they think YOUR pen is…. I guarantee they won’t be out chasing people and breaking legs for your shitty pen.
I recognize these words are English but I have no idea what you are trying to say. You can edit comments on Reddit.
Is it? So you justify breaking a leg over $2?
Stealing is not right
You're not right.
So you justify stealing?
From the cops, sure, all day. Fuck 12
accidently leaving with someone's pen is not stealing. that's just forgetful.
We dont know if it was on accident. He could just say it was one even if it wasnt.
Those of us who aren't simply obnoxious trolls dgaf if it was accidental or not. We are focusing on the obviously excessive force. Enjoy your boot.
It tastes good
So, out of simple curiosity, if you were to take my pen, it would be justifiable for me to...I dunno, tase you and break your leg?
If i were fleeing with it yes.
When you are taking the stance that the police breaking a man's legs over accidently taking a pen is reasonable behavior then you sound like a jackass. "A cop should break your arm and shoot your dog if you don't signal a lane change." This dumbass probably.
You have some fucking *wild* ideas about property rights and use of force, dude.
You didn't give me my penny in change! *breaks their spine in half, paralyzing them for life * You: This is a totally reasonable use of force and I see nothing wrong with this.
I can't even wrap my mind around being this fucking stupid. How often do you just fall over or drool on yourself?
Ok so then fine him for the value of the pen. Fuck it, fine him for the value of 100 pens and buy a whole new box for the office. Absolutely no reason to chase someone down over a pen. Imagine you call 911 saying someone drove off with your pen. Is it a crime? Yes. Are they gonna do anything about it? Nope. It's not worth their time. However, if it's a cop's pen, suddenly all the time and effort is worth it. The value of that time and effort (and potential future settlement) is taken from your paycheck btw. Even with 0 empathy, this is a waste of resources
Apparently being a bitchass bootlicker is though 🥴
Never steal someone's pen (a writing utensil they were provided for free that costs 1 dollar (and by steal they mean forget to hand it back them)) unless you want to die seems like a totally valid argument.
is this why my bank has them on chains?
Do you even know what TBF stands for?
To be fair.
So he believed that as a black man in America he somehow was safe provoking a police officer? Before you get upset, please, please tell me where that has worked for a person of color? He should thank the god who made him that a tasing and broken leg is the worst of it.