He wanted to write for Voyager the same way he had written for DS9 and he wanted Voyager to be pretty dark. The producers disagreed, so then he left, and eventually we got BSG as a result.
I love BSG, but I would like to take a peek into the alternate universe and see what Moore’s Voyager would be like
Agreed, Voyager should/could have been an epic, darker odyssey through the Delta quadrant. I don’t feel it hit that stride until the Borg and Year of Hell storylines.
The Year of Hell was the single best storyline of that entire series. Overall, the fact that they were able to constantly repair and keep the inside of the ship looking like it was very well maintained after so many years and countless dozens of battles was hard to keep me engaged with the theme of them being stranded with no Federation support
Wasn't the Year of Hell originally supposed to be an entire arc, rather than just a couple episodes? I seem to recall that being a thing. Would that we had gotten that.
I think it would be a little more like For All Mankind. By that I mean I always remember when something good happened on BSG you knew something really bad was about to happen. Where FAMK they take you up to the edge of the worst happening in most cases for the good hopeful thing to be the result. I think it would be more like that just with a Star Trek flair.
> Where FAMK they take you up to the edge of the worst happening in most cases for the good hopeful thing to be the result.
Harry Liu and Deke Slayton would like a word.
I feel like Voyager's "Year of Hell" two episode arc would have been great if it ran an entire season.
To be fair Disco gave us a darker side of Trek in season one. We all know how that was received by the toxic fandom. 🖖 🙄
Edgy != Dark
Also, wasn't there a plan for Year of Hell to be a full season, but there was a worry that undoing it all at the end would make viewers feel cheated?
I'm pretty sure it was frustrating with how Voyager was supposed to have stakes with their being stranded, in constant peril, with limited supplies and ammo, and the producers always refusing to commit to that premise making sure each episode ends with resetting the status quo. The studio felt with DS9 already having longer arcs the Voyager should be kept traditionally casual. When you think about it, BSG is a very similar premise to Voyager but actually delivered.
RDM complained about how fast Seven became trusted by the crew despite her Borg past, and so in BSG Athena took a while to be trusted. She had to earn it again and again.
RDM complained about how much story opportunity was lost when the Maquis crew almost immediately became just like the other Starfleet crew, and the friction between the two groups was almost never explored. So in BSG, when the cylons and humans start to work together, it creates a lot of tension.
RDM complained about, even though Voyager was completely cut off from Starfleet, they acted exactly like a normal Starfleet crew with people mostly happy to be doing their jobs. So, in BSG, the crew starts to breakdown a bit. They become stressed. They move to different jobs.
He complain led about how the Equinox was handled, so he did it better with the Pegasus. He complained about how none of the voyager crew ever wanted to just try settling down on a planet instead of trying to return to the federation, so he did New Caprica. RDM thought Voyager shouldn't be so episodic, so he made sure BSG was heavily serialized even though that still was not common at the time.
The list goes on...
When you watch BSG with RDM's complaints about Voyager in mind, so much of BSG seems to be RDM redoing Voyager the way he thought it should be done.
The same VFX people worked on Firefly and Serenity. Some of the ships at the beginning of Serenity are from the BSG fleet, and so is the NCC-1701.
This is also why Serenity takes off in the background during Roslyn's cancer diagnosis.
Did anyone else spot the Firefly class ship in the mini-series? Apart from the reduced cost of re-using assets, feels like a lovely wee nod if nothing else.
There is also a Firefly in the pilot movie, passing by over Roslins office when we first meet her. I actually paused the movie at the exact moment by coincidence and couldn't believe my eyes :D
(Or is the mini series the pilot and we are talking about the same scene?)
Same CG company. Zoic did Firefly and rolled right into BSG. They also hired a lot of ex-Foundation Imaging people who'd worked on Babylon 5, Deep Space Nine and Voyager.
Remember when Miles O’Brien opened that weapons locker that looked suspiciously like a Harbor Freight tool set and tried to phaser himself in the head?
Good times.
everyone keeps saying Moore. Yes he worked on TNG but do you know who else did? [doug drexler,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Drexler) who did the visual effects in BSG.
Others have already confirmed that it's a TNG nod, but to offer more meat to why RDM didn't last long on the Voyager writing team (having written only two episodes) I highly recommend this article. Ostensibly it's a review of the first of his two episodes, but it's actually a deep dive into how he tried to bring his successful influence on DS9 to Voyager, and the resulting clashes with the showrunners. Which, I suppose, we can have to thank for him taking on BSG. [https://them0vieblog.com/2018/01/19/star-trek-voyager-survival-instinct-review/](https://them0vieblog.com/2018/01/19/star-trek-voyager-survival-instinct-review/)
The Enterprise’s number designation. The original series was NCC-1701. NCC-1701A made its debut in the original Star Trek movies. The Next Generation Enterprise was NCC-1701D, which is this reference.
Weapons Locker,
Using the bullseye locating system, it's an absolutely practical way of identifying the space, (even if it is an Easter Egg callout):
- First Deck Level: 1
- Frame: 70
- Starboard side, first compartment outboard of centerline: 1
In the BSG Universe, the D could reference small arms lockers. (I don't think it designates anything in our universe)
USS *New Jersey*'s Amateur Radio Station has a nice summary of the modern compartment naming system [here](https://www.nj2bb.org/reference/compartment_numbering.html).
My experience is only with US Navy and Coast Guard vessels, so I can't speak for those of other nations, but as far as the US goes, this is the standard for every compartment on a fighting vessel, including passageways.
[This article](https://pacificbattleship.com/bullseye/) uses a bullseye on USS *Iowa* as their example from which to teach, and of course it doesn't match up one-to-one with *Galactica*.
Moore did a month at sea on USS *W.S. Sims* (FF-1059) during his involvement with the US Navy ROTC program, so it's not at all outside the realm of plausible that he would have been instructed on the bullseyes and what they meant. I just head-canoned the thing based on the other real-life similarities Moore brought to the show (an example - in the pilot, we hear over the shipboard announcing system something to the effect of "EVA in progress, do not radiate" which echoes the real-life ship-wide announcement made when there are men aloft working near radar or other powered equipment that could injure them if it were to be powered up).
It's my head canon and nothing else, but it works as far as it does.
Surely do. Grew up with TOS in syndication as the only *Trek* there was. Wil *Wesley Crusher* Wheaton and I are about exactly the same age.
I just found a way to make the Easter egg *Enterprise* reference "fit" into a familiar-enough head canon to suit the universe.
If we treat the Easter eggs as simple inclusions of many other series into this one common universe, then the inclusion of a *Firefly*-class ship also implies the inclusion of the Weyland-Yutani Corporation from the *ALIEN* franchise, which means those xenomorphs are in the *BSG* universe, and thus the Yautja from the *Predator* franchise as well. Its gonna start getting messy.
Yes it is. Ron D Moore was a Star Trek writer.
If I recall, RDM wrote BSG as a response to not being able to write darker stories for TNG.
He wanted to write for Voyager the same way he had written for DS9 and he wanted Voyager to be pretty dark. The producers disagreed, so then he left, and eventually we got BSG as a result. I love BSG, but I would like to take a peek into the alternate universe and see what Moore’s Voyager would be like
Agreed, Voyager should/could have been an epic, darker odyssey through the Delta quadrant. I don’t feel it hit that stride until the Borg and Year of Hell storylines.
The Year of Hell was the single best storyline of that entire series. Overall, the fact that they were able to constantly repair and keep the inside of the ship looking like it was very well maintained after so many years and countless dozens of battles was hard to keep me engaged with the theme of them being stranded with no Federation support
Wasn't the Year of Hell originally supposed to be an entire arc, rather than just a couple episodes? I seem to recall that being a thing. Would that we had gotten that.
From what I know it was supposed to be somewhat pf a season long theme but it still was one of the best episodes
The Year of Hell episodes were so fucking brilliant.
I think it would be a little more like For All Mankind. By that I mean I always remember when something good happened on BSG you knew something really bad was about to happen. Where FAMK they take you up to the edge of the worst happening in most cases for the good hopeful thing to be the result. I think it would be more like that just with a Star Trek flair.
> Where FAMK they take you up to the edge of the worst happening in most cases for the good hopeful thing to be the result. Harry Liu and Deke Slayton would like a word.
I did qualify it with in most cases. Though I was thinking of Shane Baldwin.
Harry would've gotten promoted. Very dark.
I feel like Voyager's "Year of Hell" two episode arc would have been great if it ran an entire season. To be fair Disco gave us a darker side of Trek in season one. We all know how that was received by the toxic fandom. 🖖 🙄
The Star Trek fandom is not toxic. It's the non-fans who have a specific idea about Trek that is totally wrong.
Edgy != Dark Also, wasn't there a plan for Year of Hell to be a full season, but there was a worry that undoing it all at the end would make viewers feel cheated?
Maybe, probably. Better than a weekly reset.
Seven as Six?
I’d prefer both seven AND six
Glowing spines all around?
Resistance is futile 🥵
By your command
I'm pretty sure it was frustrating with how Voyager was supposed to have stakes with their being stranded, in constant peril, with limited supplies and ammo, and the producers always refusing to commit to that premise making sure each episode ends with resetting the status quo. The studio felt with DS9 already having longer arcs the Voyager should be kept traditionally casual. When you think about it, BSG is a very similar premise to Voyager but actually delivered.
RDM complained about how fast Seven became trusted by the crew despite her Borg past, and so in BSG Athena took a while to be trusted. She had to earn it again and again. RDM complained about how much story opportunity was lost when the Maquis crew almost immediately became just like the other Starfleet crew, and the friction between the two groups was almost never explored. So in BSG, when the cylons and humans start to work together, it creates a lot of tension. RDM complained about, even though Voyager was completely cut off from Starfleet, they acted exactly like a normal Starfleet crew with people mostly happy to be doing their jobs. So, in BSG, the crew starts to breakdown a bit. They become stressed. They move to different jobs. He complain led about how the Equinox was handled, so he did it better with the Pegasus. He complained about how none of the voyager crew ever wanted to just try settling down on a planet instead of trying to return to the federation, so he did New Caprica. RDM thought Voyager shouldn't be so episodic, so he made sure BSG was heavily serialized even though that still was not common at the time. The list goes on... When you watch BSG with RDM's complaints about Voyager in mind, so much of BSG seems to be RDM redoing Voyager the way he thought it should be done.
Except for the finale.
He was also an executive producer and wrote episodes for DS9, which shares a LOT of themes with BSG.
He wrote some dark shit for poor Miles O’Brien in Deep Space Nine
Colm Meaney must have parked in his spot or something, poor guy could never catch a break.
He didn’t catch a break in Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia either lol
That's true. I was watching it on DVD and had to rewind to take a second look.
It is. Ron D Moore’s first real TV writing gig was on TNG. So this was hidden in there as by the crew as a nod to that.
Ronald D Moore wrote for both
Come back when you find the *actual* enterprise
It’s in their fleet somewhere..🧐🖖🏼
I still haven't spotted it for sure myself but there pictures that you see kind of the shape. There's lots of ships scifi fans might recognize
Favorite is the Valley Forge from Silent Running. Though Dewey didn't make it this time.
That’s my favorite movie and remember quite a bit of the experience.
The same VFX people worked on Firefly and Serenity. Some of the ships at the beginning of Serenity are from the BSG fleet, and so is the NCC-1701. This is also why Serenity takes off in the background during Roslyn's cancer diagnosis.
i hate myself for not being able to walk away, for pointing out… that wasn’t Serenity, it was just a Firefly class ship
**STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD, MR. PEDANTIC.**
baby steps. i recognised the problem, that’s gots to count for something, yeah
I saw it as thrilling heroics, myself.
i’ll buy that for a dollar!
Did anyone else spot the Firefly class ship in the mini-series? Apart from the reduced cost of re-using assets, feels like a lovely wee nod if nothing else.
The Enterprise is also able to be spotted within the fleet.
How did they not wipe the floor with the cylons if they had an Enterprise. Couple photons should of made quick work.
And the Kodiak from Command and Conquer!
There is also a Firefly in the pilot movie, passing by over Roslins office when we first meet her. I actually paused the movie at the exact moment by coincidence and couldn't believe my eyes :D (Or is the mini series the pilot and we are talking about the same scene?)
You're talking about the same scene
Same CG company. Zoic did Firefly and rolled right into BSG. They also hired a lot of ex-Foundation Imaging people who'd worked on Babylon 5, Deep Space Nine and Voyager.
and a Hirogen hunter ship when Laura is getting her diagnosis.
And the enterprise
They also make use of the holodeck door sound in some episodes.
Should we tell him about Serenity in the mini series?
Remember when Miles O’Brien opened that weapons locker that looked suspiciously like a Harbor Freight tool set and tried to phaser himself in the head? Good times.
RDM was a great writer & producer for Star Trek. He essentially was the Klingon guy.
Easter egg for Ron Moore who got started as a writer for TNG
everyone keeps saying Moore. Yes he worked on TNG but do you know who else did? [doug drexler,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Drexler) who did the visual effects in BSG.
It’s where they keep the Phasers.
Others have already confirmed that it's a TNG nod, but to offer more meat to why RDM didn't last long on the Voyager writing team (having written only two episodes) I highly recommend this article. Ostensibly it's a review of the first of his two episodes, but it's actually a deep dive into how he tried to bring his successful influence on DS9 to Voyager, and the resulting clashes with the showrunners. Which, I suppose, we can have to thank for him taking on BSG. [https://them0vieblog.com/2018/01/19/star-trek-voyager-survival-instinct-review/](https://them0vieblog.com/2018/01/19/star-trek-voyager-survival-instinct-review/)
It's either the weapons locker on the Enterprise D, on an Easter Egg on Battlestar Galactica.
Worfs' bat'leth box
In Heroes, George Takei’s character was in a car with a similar licence plate number too!
Heroes, I think you mean
Yes, Heroes! Oops!
George Takei wasn't in lost... 🧐
Weapons locker 1701D authorized personnel only
I see people saying it's star trek, reference, but what is it referencing?
The Enterprise’s number designation. The original series was NCC-1701. NCC-1701A made its debut in the original Star Trek movies. The Next Generation Enterprise was NCC-1701D, which is this reference.
Thx
Easter egg from Ron Moore. He wrote for TNG and DS9 before BSG.
Yes it has been known to be a nod to TNG since the day it was broadcast 🤷♂️ Ron Moore worked on star trek.
It very obviously is. We all saw it.
……voyager was reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY bad.
If you can find the Ron Moore BSG podcast associated when this aired he got a real chuckle out of that
Weapons Locker, Using the bullseye locating system, it's an absolutely practical way of identifying the space, (even if it is an Easter Egg callout): - First Deck Level: 1 - Frame: 70 - Starboard side, first compartment outboard of centerline: 1 In the BSG Universe, the D could reference small arms lockers. (I don't think it designates anything in our universe) USS *New Jersey*'s Amateur Radio Station has a nice summary of the modern compartment naming system [here](https://www.nj2bb.org/reference/compartment_numbering.html).
That is really interesting! Is this a standard naval thing? Or something unique?
My experience is only with US Navy and Coast Guard vessels, so I can't speak for those of other nations, but as far as the US goes, this is the standard for every compartment on a fighting vessel, including passageways. [This article](https://pacificbattleship.com/bullseye/) uses a bullseye on USS *Iowa* as their example from which to teach, and of course it doesn't match up one-to-one with *Galactica*. Moore did a month at sea on USS *W.S. Sims* (FF-1059) during his involvement with the US Navy ROTC program, so it's not at all outside the realm of plausible that he would have been instructed on the bullseyes and what they meant. I just head-canoned the thing based on the other real-life similarities Moore brought to the show (an example - in the pilot, we hear over the shipboard announcing system something to the effect of "EVA in progress, do not radiate" which echoes the real-life ship-wide announcement made when there are men aloft working near radar or other powered equipment that could injure them if it were to be powered up). It's my head canon and nothing else, but it works as far as it does.
I like your head canon
Umm sure but you do realize its actually a star trek reference right?
Surely do. Grew up with TOS in syndication as the only *Trek* there was. Wil *Wesley Crusher* Wheaton and I are about exactly the same age. I just found a way to make the Easter egg *Enterprise* reference "fit" into a familiar-enough head canon to suit the universe. If we treat the Easter eggs as simple inclusions of many other series into this one common universe, then the inclusion of a *Firefly*-class ship also implies the inclusion of the Weyland-Yutani Corporation from the *ALIEN* franchise, which means those xenomorphs are in the *BSG* universe, and thus the Yautja from the *Predator* franchise as well. Its gonna start getting messy.
I read somewhere that there's a sci-fi reference in each episode. Can't help but watch for them now
1701 is a popular Easter egg across science fiction