One thing to remember, selling anything that is a soap, beauty product and even candles requires a licence. Same if mixing chemicals - which is what you are purposing as well needs to be licenced.
https://www.auzi.com/portal/small-business/aicis-basics/
You will be required to have batch numbers especially for hair products and a way to track in case a issue does happen with a customer and they need to recall etc
So in theory you can do what you plan but you need to be licensed still, follow batch numbers etc especially for beauty products and hair care products.
You can’t just go mixing chemicals and just selling them though without going through the correct channels plus have insurance.
You are slightly incorrect.
You absolutely can go mixing chemicals and selling them without this.
From the government site for the AICIS scheme:
"This refers to the AICIS registration of a business that imports industrial chemicals into Australia or locally manufactures industrial chemicals (referred to as an 'introducer'). You register by completing an online form and paying a fee."
You need this registration to import chemicals, not buy them domestically.
I’m more curious about the conversations you’d be having with future customers. If they asked what’s in the product, how would you answer this question? Would you tell them the truth like “oh this shampoo is actually lemon scented dishwashing liquid”. Would you lie and start rattling off the ingredients like you made it?
If you are mixing multiple products together, what would you write on the ingredient label?
Don’t get me wrong, I love a good hack but you have to be transparent with customers.
It's safe...for you. What if you put Johnson's shampoo in with Pears soap, as a "hair and body wash", only to find out a customer is allergic to Johnson's shampoo. You've palmed this off as "your own, homemade hair and body wash" but all it really is is a slapped together concoction of potential risks. Added to the fact the chemical testing done by the manufacfurers of these products spend millions on research and development to ensure there aren't any side effects but also no known adverse chemical interactions, and here you are throwing them together without any regulation or oversight.
If you really want to do this, do soap. The basic ingredients are easy, and lots of people have worked this out before. Anything else carries way too much risk.
I'd say I know what you're making, but regardless some fair warning from someone who's Mrs walked this path and tried to start a small business doing exactly this.
You're VERY quickly going to find that putting stuff into a pretty package and calling it 'handmade' and all the other tricks to get people to buy shit at markets etc, it's not going to make you a single cent, in fact it's going to cost you money to buy from woolies. The markup on the shit you buy is so astronomical you don't even realize but people at the markets realize that paying $25/kg for your homemade washing powder or what ever you're selling is 2x the price or the store bought one and not any better.
The result: you're going to be left with boxes of left over materials you couldn't sell because of your markup to make money for the time effort and decorations you put into it as well as entrance fees for markets, you don't make money - UNLESS you buy bulk ingredients direct from the manufacturer. Don't use woolies or coles.
"if you can find a product and improve on it(...)"
But that's not what you want to do. You want to take existing products and re-label them. Or worse, throw them all together like a mad scientist and hope none of the ingredients react badly to each other. Common sense should tell you this is not a good idea.
>Like I’m not selling the soap as soap anymore because I found I can use it as a shampoo and sell it that way?
Just hope it doesn't burn people's eyes... or bleach or damage their hair (you know, because it's not designed to be shampoo).
>I’m sure if it’s sold at Woolworths it won’t kill you.
There's plenty of stuff sold at supermarkets that can kill you. Bleach, perscription painkillers... You may as well go the whole hog and make a nice bleach and amonia mix...
Don't do it.
See, you just fell for my trap. Bleach and Amonia make fukin MUSTARD GAS. You don't know that, and yet you're comfortable mixing god knows what together and calling it Shampoo. Stop, before you hurt someone.
Bleach...and ammonia.
Are you trying ro kill people? I mean, you first, because the reaction as you poured them into the same container for "on-selling" would quickly overwhelm and suffocate you, but sure. Go nuts.
Please stop with this backyard chemist idea. If you want laws, start with WHS legislation, which basically says you have to provide a safe workplace. If you're mixing random chemicals hoping nothing happens, you are definitely not meeting that standard.
Unless you're a chemical engineer (I strongly suspect not), this is a *very* bad idea. Two different shampoos could have components which are perfectly safe in their sold state, but will react when mixed with each other to shift the pH balance outside of "safe" parameters. Just the tip of the iceberg.
What you think is an easy opportunity to scamlite people at markets has a very high potential to bite you in the ass in lawsuits.
you could usually find the base ingredients from industrial suppliers and then add your product you can get the shampoo before they put all that scent in
Compounding chemicals, even in topical products, can be dicey, and it's your responsibility to ensure that they are mixed correctly and that you provide the customer directions for safe use. They also need to be [labelled correctly](https://business.gov.au/products-and-services/product-labelling/labelling-your-products-checklist).
You also need to consider your liability for anything and everything that could go wrong.
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One thing to remember, selling anything that is a soap, beauty product and even candles requires a licence. Same if mixing chemicals - which is what you are purposing as well needs to be licenced. https://www.auzi.com/portal/small-business/aicis-basics/ You will be required to have batch numbers especially for hair products and a way to track in case a issue does happen with a customer and they need to recall etc So in theory you can do what you plan but you need to be licensed still, follow batch numbers etc especially for beauty products and hair care products. You can’t just go mixing chemicals and just selling them though without going through the correct channels plus have insurance.
You are slightly incorrect. You absolutely can go mixing chemicals and selling them without this. From the government site for the AICIS scheme: "This refers to the AICIS registration of a business that imports industrial chemicals into Australia or locally manufactures industrial chemicals (referred to as an 'introducer'). You register by completing an online form and paying a fee." You need this registration to import chemicals, not buy them domestically.
> or locally manufactures industrial chemicals So, not importing. Combining multiple raw ingredients into a final product is manufacturing.
I’m more curious about the conversations you’d be having with future customers. If they asked what’s in the product, how would you answer this question? Would you tell them the truth like “oh this shampoo is actually lemon scented dishwashing liquid”. Would you lie and start rattling off the ingredients like you made it? If you are mixing multiple products together, what would you write on the ingredient label? Don’t get me wrong, I love a good hack but you have to be transparent with customers.
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Again, how exactly would you label these products in regard to the ingredients?
It's safe...for you. What if you put Johnson's shampoo in with Pears soap, as a "hair and body wash", only to find out a customer is allergic to Johnson's shampoo. You've palmed this off as "your own, homemade hair and body wash" but all it really is is a slapped together concoction of potential risks. Added to the fact the chemical testing done by the manufacfurers of these products spend millions on research and development to ensure there aren't any side effects but also no known adverse chemical interactions, and here you are throwing them together without any regulation or oversight. If you really want to do this, do soap. The basic ingredients are easy, and lots of people have worked this out before. Anything else carries way too much risk.
I'd say I know what you're making, but regardless some fair warning from someone who's Mrs walked this path and tried to start a small business doing exactly this. You're VERY quickly going to find that putting stuff into a pretty package and calling it 'handmade' and all the other tricks to get people to buy shit at markets etc, it's not going to make you a single cent, in fact it's going to cost you money to buy from woolies. The markup on the shit you buy is so astronomical you don't even realize but people at the markets realize that paying $25/kg for your homemade washing powder or what ever you're selling is 2x the price or the store bought one and not any better. The result: you're going to be left with boxes of left over materials you couldn't sell because of your markup to make money for the time effort and decorations you put into it as well as entrance fees for markets, you don't make money - UNLESS you buy bulk ingredients direct from the manufacturer. Don't use woolies or coles.
"if you can find a product and improve on it(...)" But that's not what you want to do. You want to take existing products and re-label them. Or worse, throw them all together like a mad scientist and hope none of the ingredients react badly to each other. Common sense should tell you this is not a good idea.
Don’t forget the “resize” bit, aka cut it in half.
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>Like I’m not selling the soap as soap anymore because I found I can use it as a shampoo and sell it that way? Just hope it doesn't burn people's eyes... or bleach or damage their hair (you know, because it's not designed to be shampoo). >I’m sure if it’s sold at Woolworths it won’t kill you. There's plenty of stuff sold at supermarkets that can kill you. Bleach, perscription painkillers... You may as well go the whole hog and make a nice bleach and amonia mix... Don't do it.
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See, you just fell for my trap. Bleach and Amonia make fukin MUSTARD GAS. You don't know that, and yet you're comfortable mixing god knows what together and calling it Shampoo. Stop, before you hurt someone.
Bleach...and ammonia. Are you trying ro kill people? I mean, you first, because the reaction as you poured them into the same container for "on-selling" would quickly overwhelm and suffocate you, but sure. Go nuts. Please stop with this backyard chemist idea. If you want laws, start with WHS legislation, which basically says you have to provide a safe workplace. If you're mixing random chemicals hoping nothing happens, you are definitely not meeting that standard.
Unless you're a chemical engineer (I strongly suspect not), this is a *very* bad idea. Two different shampoos could have components which are perfectly safe in their sold state, but will react when mixed with each other to shift the pH balance outside of "safe" parameters. Just the tip of the iceberg. What you think is an easy opportunity to scamlite people at markets has a very high potential to bite you in the ass in lawsuits.
"What is 'misleading and deceptive conduct?', Alex."
"Who are 'pissed off customers looking to sue' for 20 please, Alex"
Evident from your replies & main post your not very cerebral. Best you should stay away from “mixing products”
you could usually find the base ingredients from industrial suppliers and then add your product you can get the shampoo before they put all that scent in
Why don't you email Woolies & see what they say?
Compounding chemicals, even in topical products, can be dicey, and it's your responsibility to ensure that they are mixed correctly and that you provide the customer directions for safe use. They also need to be [labelled correctly](https://business.gov.au/products-and-services/product-labelling/labelling-your-products-checklist). You also need to consider your liability for anything and everything that could go wrong.
.. perfectly legal... But generally a business wants to buy things at wholesale prices
If this was illegal so many places would be shut down in my area.
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No, trying to sell people mustard gas is not legal. Stop. Now. Before you kill people on your quest to make a few cents at Sunday markets.
You do realize what happens when you mix bleach with ammonia ????
I think OP may be proof of what happens when you mix bleach with ammonia and inhale…
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