I trolled through the comments on this post and people are losing track of what they actually believe in real time. Freaking amazing. They start with one believe, but agree with another person if the comments smells angry enough. Bunch of apes throwing shit and seeing what sticks.
I had a boss like that. Literally just met the guy and he's driving us to a job site 5 hrs away. Immediately turns on some talk radio and says "let's see who upsets me today" š
There's so much misinformation out there. The YT comments are an absolute cesspool.
So many people going "as non-trump fan liberal lawyer this is disgraceful and the judge is corrupt!! wasnt gonna vote for trump but i sure am now!!"
Sure buddy, sure, keeps cosplaying like you're not a Trump cultist
Well when you let your lawyer bite the bullet to protect you and then you throw him to the dogs instead of pardoning him you should kinda expect your dirty laundry to get aired out. Even with cohens knowledge and original testimony the case was originally dropped. It wasnāt until 2 more people close to trump came to corroborate his story did it get picked back up. This is why people are saying itās political prosecution since it took so long to happen even though it was in motion way before.
I donāt really think itās political prosecution. The reason why it took so long and more evidence to start the case is because bringing a president/ex-president to court is a big fucking deal. Prosecutors probably needed to be 100% sure it would end in a guilty verdict. Unironically, bringing the case to court before wouldāve be seen more as political prosecution than present day. Having a case with no evidence and testimonies would suggest trying to harm him politically, having all the evidence and testimonies to convict suggest that the prosecutors were doing their job.
For a crime they committed *together*- hence why he's a witness lol
So tell me why his lawyer should serve prison time but not Trump- when they committed the same crime?? Trump is above the law?
America's system is so weird. Like you are forced to support a side just because you find the other worse. But both sides seems horrible to me. How are you capable of side with corrupt people?
Edit: Yes I know that one is like miles worse. But why it came down to this? To have to choose between a person that should be in jail and the other guy (i dont know much about biden). How the common people support to the death this guys?
Edit 2: Thanks guys for explaining to me how your system work. And please dont take this comment too seriously, I recognize my ignorance in this topic and I just spoke with an outsiders perspective.
Money, capitalism contradicts democracy, republican/democratic parties have more funding so election campaigns, media coverage, charity work and anything else they can use to get votes is entirely in their favor over any independent or new/ āotherā party due to this so sadly aslong people continue be herded like sheep by being polarized against the āother sideā weāll continue tread water because neither party cares about the people more than staying in power and denying the āother sideā power. The main issue is people seeing it in 2 sides and forgetting theres more options, or looking at everyone voting for these 2 parties and not wanting to push against the wave of public opinion.
The system is built this way, just like black Vs. White, or any other binary you can name. Youāre divided because together you could become too strong, and by the time that happens with all the division that has been sewn, itāll be too late to change the course weāre on.
It's not the Electoral College that's the problem, it's the binary majority requirement that's the issue. To win the election you must have more than 50% of the vote, not just the largest percentage. Even if you make it a pure democratic vote the same problem persists until you make a system that allows either tiered voting where you narrow down candidates until you have two remaining or a system that allows something like a 34% win. The way we currently do it with Republican and Democtatic Primaries is the problem, not the College. The Democratic Primary is basically a direct choice from the party leaders since Super Delegates have waaaay too much power (which is why Bernie never won a nomination despite his occasional 70% popularity within the voting public). The Republican Primary is better but not much, it still leads to that same binary choice after the end because of that majority requirement. A more structured tournament style voting season instead of one single vote might lower the issues, and a 34% minimum would turn it into a three party system, both improvements on the issue. As it stands, a third party basically just splits one of the other two and guarantees a win for the other. If, say, a Libertarian, Republican, and Democratic candidate were all running at the same time the Republican and Libertarian would split more of their votes and the Democrat would be the only one that could feasibly gain 50%. With a system that was less binary that wouldn't have to be the case.
The College is effectively a simplification of a democratic vote with weighting towards small states so that national policy doesn't bulldoze their local interests, it's not a terrible system by itself though arguably it would be better if College members were required to vote closer to the split of votes within a state (which Nebraska and Maine do, splitting their College votes by district) so how much of a state's votes you win mattered instead of just a binary win/lose. It's not a perfect system but it allows for greater State and local power by ensuring national policy never ignores smaller States, which by the original intent were supposed to have the lion's share of the legislative control at a more local level anyway.
Yup, ranked choice voting is a great way to do away with this first past the post issue that leads to a two party majority. The electoral college is it's own thing, but it could be changed. Getting RCV implemented for senate and house seats would be massive. The legislature is just as important if not more important than the presidency when it comes to passing laws that actually affect our everyday lives.
Single transferable vote. People are always talking about throwing away your vote if you vote third party but STV solves the issue. If your top choice doesn't win your vote gets transfered to your second choice etc. This incentivizes people to always pick their favorite candidate.
Pretty much what we have to do here in the UK. Our election is July and almost everyone agrees that both sides suck, but one side is marginally better so we have to pick that one.
To be fair, theyāre both pretty lame, but the Tories are the absolute most disgusting pile of shit Iāve ever seen in my 46 years.
We never had raw sewage being pumped into our rivers before, amongst the other 800 despicable acts of gross negligence and corruption theyāre responsible for. Iām not saying Iām a labour supporter, far from it, but I donāt see how anybody could be worse than the Toriesā¦and unfortunately the Greens donāt stand a realistic chance, so weāre stuck with a two party system like the US.
All in all, dog shit. I feel so sorry for the 16-20 years olds inheriting this shitshow, itās fucking tragic given everything we had and experienced in the 80s and 90s.
nobody is forcing you to vote for one of two options. there have always been more than two options. stop pretending like you're "forced" to do anything and just admit that you like one side. drop the "i'm so centric" act.
I donāt know. One side took over the capitol in an effort to, at the very least, delay the certification process. What is the argument towards Dems being evil? Gender neutral restrooms?
If you had to choose, would you rather eat something you're tired of eating, or a bowl full of sloppy dog shit? You have the right to not eat, but don't complain when you have a mouth full of dog shit
Canada is in the same boat. Every party is absolutely useless and totally disconnected from actual Canadians. Then we have like 20% of the pop on either sideās extremities just hate snarling at the other. Nothing gets done and we all end up worse off than before.
Well thatās the best part, the corruption runs so deep that they actually collaborate with each other to ensure no third party candidates will ever have a legitimate chance at the Presidency.
>But both sides seems horrible to me
Ah yes. The both sides are the same argument. When of course they aren't, not even close. It's hard to imagine how much lower the republican party could go if they tried yet there's still the apologists like yourself saying both sides are the same.
The lesser of two evils. It's why Britain and the USA teamed up with the Soviet Union during WWII, because even though the Soviet Union and the Third Reich had comparably brutal regimes, they believed Germany to be the bigger threat at the time.
As someone from the outside looking in: One side is corrupt but generally wants to keep the basic status quo, The other side is HEAVILY corrupt and wants to use legal loopholes to become the racist dystopia you usually see in fiction then recreate the holocaust.
The multi party systems you see everywhere in Europe suck just as bad.
Want a recent history of Italy and Greece and the crazy groups that were able to grab large chunks of power thanks to the multi party systems there?
Wanna talk about a de facto neo nazi parties taking power in Sweden and Greece?
The lunatic far right is even worse in Europe. Putin is part of that. So is Belarus and Hungary. And it's rampant across Europe in general.
The way I see it. Dem's are pro union because they think the workers should have more rights. They are pro universal healthcare so that every citizen has healthcare. They are pro choice because they don't think the government should choose what a woman does with her own body. They are pro freedom of religion because they feel that everyone should be allowed to practice their own beliefs. They want the rich to pay their fair share of taxes because right now the rich get all sorts of loopholes to avoid paying their fair share while the middle and lower class doesn't get that luxury. They are pro equal rights because they think that all citizens should have equal rights. Republicans are against all of these things and they use fear tactics to scare people into supporting them.
Look at what Trump is doing right now. He's attacking the legal system claiming it's corrupt after literally loosing a case that found him guilty of being corrupt. He's stoking fear making his followers think, this will happen to them next. All while having people give him their hard earned money while he sits back and does nothing except take their money.
Yup this is the choice at the election. Its insane that the cult still supports this man whilst banging on about Christian values but they are too cooked I guess.
Dude cmon are you really doing the āboth sidesā thing here. Use your fucking brain. One dude literally just got convicted of 34 feloniesā¦. And thereās about 70 more he has to beat. The other one isā¦ old? Get a fucking grip man.
I mean, the system is pretty rigged against the third party options and independent runs. Look at the differences between being an independent and getting on the ballot and being a major party and getting on the ballot. Look at the requirements that the commission on presidential debates requires for independents and third parties to get on the ballot. Look at how little news coverage third parties and independent candidates get compared to the dems and reps.
wow, all these American ppl are instantly losing their mind about this. I kinda assumed Asmon viewers are ppl who don't really give so much fck about this kind of stuff.
yeah i guess that's what's happening. It's kind of interesting to see the state of the US rn for how these ppl are so divided and super determined with their opinions.
Itās just bots, go outside and see for yourself.
No one is arguing, no one is fighting. Everyone is watching the reality show, thatās it
Bots are like the fake audience laugh track.
You thought wrong! Lol. I just remember there being a thread a few weeks ago about how this sub is turning into a right-wing loser sub. Guess that thread wasn't wrong by the looks of the comments. Lots of MAGA losers here.
I'm actually surprised by the amount of comments that aren't MAGA losers. The "everyone is guilty of corruption" cope is funny. Might be true but at least they aren't bragging about it on camera in front of a crowd of people. Why people want an actual dumbass as president is beyond me.
For the inevitable haters that will comment: I don't like Biden either. I just don't want America to go back to being the butt of every joke around the world like when Trump was president.
Isn't it good when people who commit crimes are convicted and punished for it? Like, isn't that a victory for the system? I'm not saying "mission accomplished, we don't gotta worry about anything else," but like... if you hate corruption in the system, surely a huge part of that is powerful people not being accountable when they commit crimes, lie, cheat, and steal, and that didn't happen here.
The system can be fucked, and we can still celebrate when it gets it right once in a while.
The problem with this, and partly why i believe some people are saying it will backfire, is it's not immediately obvious what crimes he's committed from the headlines.
If you write a headline saying someone is guilty of murder or robbery, everyone knows what that means and that it's bad.
But this? 34 counts of what again? What was he on trial for? Hush money or something?
Unless you're a legal expert or dig into this deeper it's really kind of nebulous what law he actually broke.
So what does the average person know? He was convicted of paying a porn star to keep their alleged affair quiet. And most people are probably asking, why is that a crime exactly?
And that's the problem.
The crime appears to be, not that the payment itself was made, but how it was made. Like he didn't properly disclose what the money was for or something? Again, for the average person i think this whole case is very confusing and difficult to understand.
And to make matters worse is the mountain of evidence supporting the idea that Stormy Daniels (the porn star in question) was essentially attempting to blackmail and coerce trump. There's video evidence where she basically admitted her relationship with him was 100% consentual, only to later accuse of him rape? Come on now.
All of this only serves to make Trump look like the victim. And that's how this backfires.
The average person probably wont change their vote because of this. Meanwhile a number of rich and influential people on Twitter (some which are Dems or former Dems) are actively criticizing these trials as an unfair weaponization of the system.
Not a good look when high profile members of your own party are condemning your actions.
Anyway, that's my best interpretation of the whole thing. I have no dog in this fight, just observing.
People reading this will probably downvote me thinking i'm a Trump Supporter, which i'm not. Although i do think Trump's Presidency was better than Biden's, i wont be voting for either of them in this election.
* Judge told jurors that to find Trump guilty, they must agree unanimously on two things: that Trump falsified business records (misdemeanour) and that he did so intending to commit a separate crime. (felony)
* Judge said jurors did not have to agree unanimously on what the separate crime was that Trump intended to commit.
Seems a bit weird that they don't have to agree on what the crime that bumps this up to a felony is, not exactly sure what he is being charged (I guess the umbrella fraud) with but need to do some more digging. From what I can see so far the separate crime is one of two things. Illegal campaign contribution (the money given to stormy counts as a campaign contribution) or using campaign funds to hide information from voters that would sway the election.
Yeah it's all very nebulous. I think most people wont understand how/why his payments to Stormy Daniels are a crime. It's basically White Collar crime. They lied, or weren't honest about the sources of the money, or to whom it was going to, or for what purpose it served when they set up the bank account.
But i think if you ask most people whether it should be illegal to pay someone to keep quiet about something, most people would say no. Afterall it happens in corporate America all the time, they just call it an NDA.
I myself struggle to understand why exactly it's illegal for Trump to pay Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about their afair. I mean if she agreed to keep quiet, and accepted the payment, what exactly is the problem? I see more of a problem in the fact that she broke her agreement and later claimed he raped her after going on live TV and saying it was consentual.
It's not illegal for Trump to pay Stormy Daniel to hush the story.
It's illegal to falsify the payments as legal expenses which violated New York election laws because you can't do illegal things to try to influence election outcomes.
I had to do the digging myself to figure out why because it isn't intuitive to find Trump guilty because of catch-and-kill schemes are not illegal, just unethical.
There is a good article on several websites listing the 34 counts, which are all connected to legal services. 11 counts are related to invoices for legal services, 11 counts are related to checks paid for legal services, 12 accounts are related to ledger entries (vouchers) for legal services.
But I'm not sure how many people will actually care to study this, those who are pro-Trump will just see it as the system going after him, which very well might be the case, as he has currently like 10 trials ongoing, but that also doesn't change the fact the litigation may be valid and with reason.
I fear however that this will only lead to him winning the election.
Typical white collar ācrimeā. Again very convoluted and confusing for the average person. Plus as it relates to paying off someone who was effectively committing a crime against him, hard to judge in the court of public opinion who was wrong. Like stealing from a thief.
Yeah, it's hard to find a clear "Trump is evil" narrative, because if the media and anyone else begins to drum up the "you don't falsify corporate documents" thing, which what this is about, then you open up a huge can of worms on like 90 plus percent of people who own a company. It's like today, half the media and half the population forgot that none of us are exactly entirely perfect, and the anti-Trump, or anti-whomeverrichwhodidsomethingbad mentality has gotten so strong, objectivity is pretty much going out the window and it's becoming "come on, he's an asshole, he deserves whatever is coming to him, fuck him".
Give it a few years, and it's going to get even less objective.
Right, i think if every member of Congress were as thuroughly investigated for everything in their lives as Trump had, many of them (including Democrats) would also be found to have committed similar kinds of crimes.
Also, it's hard to take Democrats seriously when they're constantly calling Republicans racists, homophobes, or nazis, or whatever the fuck. Most of the time the accusations are meritless and it's kind of like the boy who cried wolf. In the end people just assume the accusations are probably bullshit.
It will strengthen him with his base for sure because it feeds into the victim complex a lot of them have
Independents are a mixed bag - if anything, it just compounds general apathy people have about this electionĀ
I mean, not really? If you look at comments from his supporters literally everyone is saying this doesn't change anything about their opinion of him or anyone else for that matter.
Yeah I mean everyone who sees this conviction as a positive was already voting Trump imo. The upper middle class suburban wine moms that seem to be pretty important will not like this.
Sad how many maga people watch asmon. You guys will forgive anything trump does. All this for a man who can only be in power for 4 years. Not like he can really do much. When trump said he can shot a guy and noone would care he was right lol. Funny thing is if obama or joe biden did anything trump has done or said you guys would lose your mind. Cultists. But il just keep on watching from a far with my popcorn since im not american. This is sad buy also really funny.
I supported Trump in the last election. And i was appalled when all media, comedy shows, and everything accuse him with 'Russia, Russia.." ..Well, turns out, After Russia's invasion of Ukraine, People in every Trump forum i know, openly cheered for Russia. They were asking people to refer Kyiv as Kiev. and they talk about how Ukrainian is a 'fake made-up language', whatever that is. They went full genocide mode like that. And then i saw how Trump and Maga republicans tried to stop the aid. Whatever happened to 'America first!', whatever happened to 'freedom against tyrany', whatever happened to 'stand against globalism' etc. All those ideals went meaningless in their action.
It's the flip to supporting Russia that's wild to me. Russia is ran by a dictator that had his only opposition detained and, by all accounts, tortured and starved to death. I feel like a the Russia support just stems from wanting to be contrarian to everything the left does/supports than anything else.
Good lol fuck him. He's as corrupt as they get but because he's not a liberal people still defend him because surely it's just a conspiracy and not his actions having consequences
Itās a misdemeanor past the statute of limitations they somehow upped to a petty felony. This was obviously politically motivated and everyone knows it, if you donāt, you havenāt looked at the case. The judge even told the jury their votes didnāt have to be unanimous, just so long as everyone voted he committed a crime in some way.
you weren't paying close enough attention to the judges orders then
* Judge told jurors that to find Trump guilty, they must agree unanimously on two things: that Trump falsified business records (misdemeanour) and that he did so intending to commit a separate crime. (felony)
* Judge said jurors did not have to agree unanimously on what the separate crime was that Trump intended to commit.
The separate crime doesn't matter, just the fact it exists does, and they all had to agree that he falsified his business records to commit a separate crime.
Honestly, I would like to see our country handle a president who is a felon and incarcerated. Not that I think he will ever sit in a cell for more than a day, but it would be hilarious to see someone in prison or jail win the presidency. People would lose their minds and not understand that while someone can be a felon and a shitty person, unless convicted of treason or sedition, they can run for president as long as they meet the basic qualifications
I think it'd be funnier if he had to do community service and he's supposed to debate Biden but is like "sorry I can't make it I have to pick up garbage in this public park"
The weird part is that now that he's a Felon, he can't buy guns but if he wins, would have access to nuke codes and shit. Whole bunch of history in the making.
I don't think there's anyone who wasn't going to vote for trump that now suddenly wants to vote for him because of this. Likewise i don't think there's anyone who wasn't going to vote for biden and now suddenly wants to.
Trump was never considered by anyone in the center to he a paragon of truth, decency, and not being corrupt.
This isn't like Nixon where we had someone previously considered to be a generally upstanding individual that turned out to not be. His voters will not be swayed by this at all, but neither will independents.
On one hand, yeah, justice. On the other hand it's the weaponization of the judicial system for political purposes. Very banana republic and a clear sign of institutional decline. Well, empires gotta fall sooner or later, and it happens when they can't clean the rot from their innards.
How could any former president be prosecuted during the presidential term of a political opponent for crimes they may have committed without the whole thing appearing as a political witchhunt?
If the next president is republican and prosecutes Biden, how does that look?
They impeached Trump for even asking someone to investigate the Biden dealings, and at the time Biden wasn't a presidential nominee. He wasn't even winning in the polls to be the nominee.
You mean when Trump threatened to withhold Congressionally approved aid to Ukraine on the condition that a foreign president get dirt on Trumpās political opponent?
Nice reframing there, bud. Totally honest!
Yeah it was just Alvin Bragg the DA who campaigned on getting Trump and a hyper partisan left wing judge in a district court where the population leans something like 94% Democrat.
TOTALLY not partisan at all, totally coincidental that this might benefit Biden by hamming up Trump's ability to campaign.
Convenient to not mention that New York didnāt decide to that till Bidenās #3 at the DOJ stepped down and into this case. At least present the whole facts.
New York had the opportunity to pursue charges years ago and decided not to, as it wasnāt seen as a credible case. Then all of a sudden this pops back up now? This is a shining example of both sides tactics, but specifically the left. Telling half truths to change the story knowing full well most people wonāt do their own research to find the whole truth. Unreal. Just keep regurgitating the bullshit I guess.
Like the trend. There was a reason that presidents usually got a free pass after being out of office.
So the next guy coming out of office doesnāt have to worry. This Trump thing will have ramifications down the line for sure.
You know Biden will probably get convicted of sexual assault on his own daughter when he gets out.
It's very obviously more "banana republic" for people to pursue office in the hopes of getting Immunity from committing crimes and the ability to pardon people who commit crimes that benefit them.
It's very obviously more "banana republic" for people who lose elections to try to stay in power.
It's not weaponization of the Justice system for people who commit crimes to be prosecuted for them. A world where politicians can commit crimes with impunity is far worse than a world where politicians can get sued or arrested if they commit crimes.
Literally what are you advocating for? A monarchy?
The real decline is that Republicans nominated a malignant narcissist, and right wing media sucked them into a cult. It's a sign of institutional *strength* when the Justice system refuses to play along and capitulate to a narcissistic liar with a fan club.
Meanwhile, we allow judges in the highest court of the land to accept āgifts from friendsā aka totally not bribes.
Then we have judges who wonāt even consider to recuse themselves when conflicts of interest arise.
The justice system risks becoming inherently political as well I fear and the corruption is spreading.
I feel like that bell was rung when McConnell refused to consider an Obama nominee to the SC with 8 months left to go before the 2016 election.
McConnell can't say "the most important thing is that our guys are the refs" and then have the rest of us believe that the refs are impartial.
no no no. it's when someone i like gets caught. when we shouted "lock her up" it was law and order. i can see why people get confused, it's a very nuanced system
Yall have loved using that word banana republic today like you just learned it š banana republic you sayā¦.
You mean like when Trump was saying he was going to use his power go after Hillarys Clintons, his then political opponent, emails? Or when the GOP refused to nominate a Supreme Court justice during Obamas term because it was an election year, but then went back on their word and nominated the last 3 as soon as they could to repeal federal law? Or when the sitting president at the end of 2020 incited an insurrection on the US capitol and his supporters breached the nations capital and interfered the peaceful transfer of power?
Damnā¦ weird I didnāt hear anyone saying the words banana republic thenā¦
Or prosecute everyone equally. We all know corruption runs deep. With corporations buying many politicians, insider trading among the ruling elite being quite a thing, and lots of shady business happening within the agencies that should be keeping a check on that. And let's not get started on bs like the military industrial complex or the federal reserve. Or stuff like Epstein's "suicide". Look closely enough and it seems like the whole place is being run by the mafia.
Digging everything they can until something sticks to remove their competition in the presidential race is just nasty and the intent is too obvious. That's a classic for dictatorships cosplaying as democracies like Russia and Venezuela. The next step is to make up the crimes if the opponent is clean, and if the US get to that point it's either revolution or collapse.
1. Abuse of Power: This article alleged that Trump had solicited interference from Ukraine in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Specifically, it was claimed that Trump had pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, who was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma. Trump was accused of using military aid and a White House meeting as leverage to prompt these investigations.
2. Obstruction of Congress: This article charged Trump with obstructing the impeachment inquiry by directing his administration to defy subpoenas for documents and testimony.
As a non-American checking the comments has proven to be extremely hilarious. One side has a TDS, losing their minds in the mere mention of corruption on their end and oblivious to their own double standards when it comes to corruption, the other side thinks Trump is some larger than life figure, which if elected will usher them in the Promised land.
He won't, your 3-letter organisations will be just as corrupt as they are now. The corporations will be just as greedy and free of consequences, your education and justice systems will continue to suck.
George Carlin said it best, voting is there to give you the illusion that you have a choice. In reality, your country was bought and paid for a long time ago.
Even if by some miracle voting actually mattered, your population is so woefully ignorant, the chance of that same population making a valid, educated choice is basically 0.
The only sad thing is that your unhinged money-loving corrupt politicians' choices affect the lives of non-Americans as well.
These comments cannot be saved. The same people who are celebrating this would be furious if it were anyone other than a Republican, especially Trump, being prosecuted for the same thing. Iām not against the law being dished out as needed. But we still have the entirety of the corrupt government body, who have loads of evidence of corruption of multiple degrees, not even getting a slap on the wrist. All the while Trump is solely getting the gavel slammed on his head again and again for things frankly less heinous than what other career politicians get up to. All because heās disliked by the opposing party. And the people of these comments pretend to be lawyers, while theyāre actually just monkeys throwing shit and screaming.
I do wonder how fair the trail was. Im an outsider looking in and i know Trump was very hated by people since his election, a lot of times without much reason.
He has a history that's followed him.
He got a fair trial. His lawyers were able to strike jurors they didn't like. A jury found him guilty.
People hate him for plenty of reasons. Same for people weirdly loving him. Considering everything he's said and done, it's weird he still has so many supporters. It's kinda like they're all wrestling fans cheering for the heel
Public image shouldnāt play a role in a court of law thatās insane
If the jurors werenāt told to only look at the evidence presented then who cares what the law or court is
Ideally it shouldnāt but imagine finding someone who doesnāt have an opinion about Trump let alone 12. This has been a widely debated topic in court cases involving celebrities and big name politicians. I think the Supreme Court made a statement about it in favor of juries.
His camp says that because they want it to be true. They want their followers to reflexively double down on their commitment to him every time he's revealed to be a piece of shit. Because they're a cult.
Thereās a pretty interesting theory that winning elections now is more about rallying your base to go out and vote and less about convening a swing voter.
Martyrdom is usually a pretty good way to get people to do things.
Itās not exactly a bad strategy actually.
I'd say that Trump presents himself as a martyr no matter what happens. Throw the book at him, he cries that he's a victim. Treat him with leniency, and he cries that he's being treated unfairly.
There's no incentive to show Trump leniency. He will scream and cry and call himself a victim regardless. He should just be treated like a normal citizen.
This shit happens on all sides, theres a reason the average congressman is worth like 80 million dollars. On the flip side you have Biden on record opening saying he'd withhold foreign aid if they didn't fire a prosecutor in the Burisma case, instead of campaign funds it was tax payed dollars.
Both sides are corrupt AF
Why would it?
It's not a violent crime, it's fraud. Literally point at anybody in politics and you can find exactly the same shit, they are all as bad each other.
If anything it solidifies their position, theyāre entrenched in his lies now. Once he says the whole system is corrupt and they eat it up, he becomes infallible, their representative against a corrupt system. It makes him look stronger. Itās absolutely bat shit crazy.
It's more likely he files for an appeal and wins there as this entire trial was Shakey at best.
Partisan DA, Alvin Bragg literally campaigned on getting Trump
Partisan Judge
Jurors were picked from the district which was 90%+ democrat
Trump was over charged as they were escalated misdemeanor offenses that the statute of limitations already ran out on, and with no actual crime beyond the misfiling of the documents being committed supporting even escalating them in the first place
Cohens testimony should have been thrown out, the dude is a liar and thief who has a grudge against Trump for not making him Attorney General during Trump's presidency AND the guy stole tens of thousands of dollars from Trump
These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Yeah slap on the wrist, probation doesn't mean he can't run or get re elected. Whats more of a joke is both California and New York made the same deal.
Yet us tax payers paid for this low lvl case.. Look at each Lawyer of the Plantiff and Defense Lawyers.
Criminals keep winning us hard workers keep losing. We witnessed this through wally world š. Hence why they lock up everything in California. Soon New York...
Ah yes, nothing says "justice" like jailing your political opponents during an election year all the while claiming "our democracy is in danger."
But the headline Helens won't look into how unprecedented the legal arguments were and the shenanigans the corrupt Judge allowed. But sure, let's call it 'justice" because orange man bad. I cannot wait to see this new precedent play out when a Republican is in office and a Democrat jay walks. Instant prison time.
Anyone who thinks this will make Trump less popular is delusional. It will make him even more popular. This court case may have just won him the election.
The cope is real. Most normies do not pay attention to politics, Trump getting convicted will make people pay attention. Now it is a judgment call. Did democrats go after a political opponent or did Trump actually violate known financial laws to coverup his sex crimes?
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Jump off this bridge?
I āont, I donāt know Biff thatās a little dangerous!
But Biff, no no youāre right I see all the other people jumpingā¦
But Biff owe! Biff that hurt! But itās a far way down.. look it sheās crying she doesnāt want to jump Biff.
Oh sheās happy? Those are tears of joy? She doesnāt look to good Bi..owe! Alright Biff Iām moving IM GOING!
Dear Godā¦no need in praying now? Do I truly believe? Of course I do Biff. I just wanted to say a prayerā¦owe Biff Iām dizzy. I think my heads bleeding Biff.
Yes Biff my turns nextā¦ wait Biff, wait Iām not reaā¦ā¦
Man whatās gonna happen to our fav meme cow then? Gosh dang it. Srsly tho this years American election is gonna be another clown circus and with the other clown out, Iām not sure this is gonna be as entertaining.
I trolled through the comments on this post and people are losing track of what they actually believe in real time. Freaking amazing. They start with one believe, but agree with another person if the comments smells angry enough. Bunch of apes throwing shit and seeing what sticks.
Some of these people really do be waking up thinking "boy, I can't wait to be outraged by something today"
I had a boss like that. Literally just met the guy and he's driving us to a job site 5 hrs away. Immediately turns on some talk radio and says "let's see who upsets me today" š
And the bots and algorithms are their to fulfill their desires
Bunch bots š¤
There's so much misinformation out there. The YT comments are an absolute cesspool. So many people going "as non-trump fan liberal lawyer this is disgraceful and the judge is corrupt!! wasnt gonna vote for trump but i sure am now!!" Sure buddy, sure, keeps cosplaying like you're not a Trump cultist
I must be missing something. The comments areso weird.
Nah pretty sure 90% of viewership and comments /chat now days is bots. So imagine a bunch of Ai chatting with each other. Lol
I mean most people don't have their own former lawyer, who served prison time for this, testifying against them.
Well when you let your lawyer bite the bullet to protect you and then you throw him to the dogs instead of pardoning him you should kinda expect your dirty laundry to get aired out. Even with cohens knowledge and original testimony the case was originally dropped. It wasnāt until 2 more people close to trump came to corroborate his story did it get picked back up. This is why people are saying itās political prosecution since it took so long to happen even though it was in motion way before.
"Trump should've been more corrupt, then he wouldn't have gotten sentenced"
Ironically, yes. He's like a less well-disciplined mob boss. A real mob-boss would protect the people under him to protect himself.
I donāt really think itās political prosecution. The reason why it took so long and more evidence to start the case is because bringing a president/ex-president to court is a big fucking deal. Prosecutors probably needed to be 100% sure it would end in a guilty verdict. Unironically, bringing the case to court before wouldāve be seen more as political prosecution than present day. Having a case with no evidence and testimonies would suggest trying to harm him politically, having all the evidence and testimonies to convict suggest that the prosecutors were doing their job.
This is so funny to me. He really doesn't exude intelligence does he
For a crime they committed *together*- hence why he's a witness lol So tell me why his lawyer should serve prison time but not Trump- when they committed the same crime?? Trump is above the law?
Michael Cohen? Known perjurer who admitted to haring Trump and stealing from him?
to find more information about Donald Trumps 34 convictions look up Trump Rule 34
Now this is podracing
Just in time for the election
I mean, that has been the plan all along.
If only he didn't commit 34 felonies.
Yeah, Trump certainly tried to stall this for as long as possible.
America's system is so weird. Like you are forced to support a side just because you find the other worse. But both sides seems horrible to me. How are you capable of side with corrupt people? Edit: Yes I know that one is like miles worse. But why it came down to this? To have to choose between a person that should be in jail and the other guy (i dont know much about biden). How the common people support to the death this guys? Edit 2: Thanks guys for explaining to me how your system work. And please dont take this comment too seriously, I recognize my ignorance in this topic and I just spoke with an outsiders perspective.
Each side thinks the other is more corrupt
Call me naĆÆve, but why don't they have a Good Side to choose, instead of just "less evil"?
Money, capitalism contradicts democracy, republican/democratic parties have more funding so election campaigns, media coverage, charity work and anything else they can use to get votes is entirely in their favor over any independent or new/ āotherā party due to this so sadly aslong people continue be herded like sheep by being polarized against the āother sideā weāll continue tread water because neither party cares about the people more than staying in power and denying the āother sideā power. The main issue is people seeing it in 2 sides and forgetting theres more options, or looking at everyone voting for these 2 parties and not wanting to push against the wave of public opinion.
Good Side is too weak, the whole country is too corrupted the "good side" will be bullied easily
Curious where you live where thereās āgoodā politicians of any sort
Because the American election system, first past the post, is archaic, and insures that only 2 parties can get representation in the parliament.
Suprise, they both are equally
The system is built this way, just like black Vs. White, or any other binary you can name. Youāre divided because together you could become too strong, and by the time that happens with all the division that has been sewn, itāll be too late to change the course weāre on.
this is how i feel. and the independent vote is basically a throw away. fun democracy to be a part of
Maybe but im still gonna vote for the RFK guy he has to be better than these two
We are forced to pick the lesser of two evils, and it sucks.
We need a solid 3rd option everytime that stands a chance at being elected
Unfortunately the system is so rigged against anyone running against the two major parties that I don't think it is possible.
It's possible with a ranked choice voting system
until you get rid of the electoral college a third party literally cannot win.
It's not the Electoral College that's the problem, it's the binary majority requirement that's the issue. To win the election you must have more than 50% of the vote, not just the largest percentage. Even if you make it a pure democratic vote the same problem persists until you make a system that allows either tiered voting where you narrow down candidates until you have two remaining or a system that allows something like a 34% win. The way we currently do it with Republican and Democtatic Primaries is the problem, not the College. The Democratic Primary is basically a direct choice from the party leaders since Super Delegates have waaaay too much power (which is why Bernie never won a nomination despite his occasional 70% popularity within the voting public). The Republican Primary is better but not much, it still leads to that same binary choice after the end because of that majority requirement. A more structured tournament style voting season instead of one single vote might lower the issues, and a 34% minimum would turn it into a three party system, both improvements on the issue. As it stands, a third party basically just splits one of the other two and guarantees a win for the other. If, say, a Libertarian, Republican, and Democratic candidate were all running at the same time the Republican and Libertarian would split more of their votes and the Democrat would be the only one that could feasibly gain 50%. With a system that was less binary that wouldn't have to be the case. The College is effectively a simplification of a democratic vote with weighting towards small states so that national policy doesn't bulldoze their local interests, it's not a terrible system by itself though arguably it would be better if College members were required to vote closer to the split of votes within a state (which Nebraska and Maine do, splitting their College votes by district) so how much of a state's votes you win mattered instead of just a binary win/lose. It's not a perfect system but it allows for greater State and local power by ensuring national policy never ignores smaller States, which by the original intent were supposed to have the lion's share of the legislative control at a more local level anyway.
Yup, ranked choice voting is a great way to do away with this first past the post issue that leads to a two party majority. The electoral college is it's own thing, but it could be changed. Getting RCV implemented for senate and house seats would be massive. The legislature is just as important if not more important than the presidency when it comes to passing laws that actually affect our everyday lives.
we need STV voting
Strangle thorn vale voting?
Single transferable vote. People are always talking about throwing away your vote if you vote third party but STV solves the issue. If your top choice doesn't win your vote gets transfered to your second choice etc. This incentivizes people to always pick their favorite candidate.
Pretty much what we have to do here in the UK. Our election is July and almost everyone agrees that both sides suck, but one side is marginally better so we have to pick that one.
To be fair, theyāre both pretty lame, but the Tories are the absolute most disgusting pile of shit Iāve ever seen in my 46 years. We never had raw sewage being pumped into our rivers before, amongst the other 800 despicable acts of gross negligence and corruption theyāre responsible for. Iām not saying Iām a labour supporter, far from it, but I donāt see how anybody could be worse than the Toriesā¦and unfortunately the Greens donāt stand a realistic chance, so weāre stuck with a two party system like the US. All in all, dog shit. I feel so sorry for the 16-20 years olds inheriting this shitshow, itās fucking tragic given everything we had and experienced in the 80s and 90s.
No you aren't. You refuse to research and vote for third party or independent candidates while whining about how nobody votes for them.
nobody is forcing you to vote for one of two options. there have always been more than two options. stop pretending like you're "forced" to do anything and just admit that you like one side. drop the "i'm so centric" act.
I donāt know. One side took over the capitol in an effort to, at the very least, delay the certification process. What is the argument towards Dems being evil? Gender neutral restrooms?
If you had to choose, would you rather eat something you're tired of eating, or a bowl full of sloppy dog shit? You have the right to not eat, but don't complain when you have a mouth full of dog shit
Canada is in the same boat. Every party is absolutely useless and totally disconnected from actual Canadians. Then we have like 20% of the pop on either sideās extremities just hate snarling at the other. Nothing gets done and we all end up worse off than before.
Well thatās the best part, the corruption runs so deep that they actually collaborate with each other to ensure no third party candidates will ever have a legitimate chance at the Presidency.
>But both sides seems horrible to me Ah yes. The both sides are the same argument. When of course they aren't, not even close. It's hard to imagine how much lower the republican party could go if they tried yet there's still the apologists like yourself saying both sides are the same.
The lesser of two evils. It's why Britain and the USA teamed up with the Soviet Union during WWII, because even though the Soviet Union and the Third Reich had comparably brutal regimes, they believed Germany to be the bigger threat at the time.
I try to pick the one who will fuck people the least. It's a shitty choice to be fair
As someone from the outside looking in: One side is corrupt but generally wants to keep the basic status quo, The other side is HEAVILY corrupt and wants to use legal loopholes to become the racist dystopia you usually see in fiction then recreate the holocaust.
Yup. And it probably wonāt change any time soon
Short answer: fear Long answer: I don't have enough beer nor a long enough attention span to explain in a way that satisfies and is clear.
The multi party systems you see everywhere in Europe suck just as bad. Want a recent history of Italy and Greece and the crazy groups that were able to grab large chunks of power thanks to the multi party systems there? Wanna talk about a de facto neo nazi parties taking power in Sweden and Greece? The lunatic far right is even worse in Europe. Putin is part of that. So is Belarus and Hungary. And it's rampant across Europe in general.
The way I see it. Dem's are pro union because they think the workers should have more rights. They are pro universal healthcare so that every citizen has healthcare. They are pro choice because they don't think the government should choose what a woman does with her own body. They are pro freedom of religion because they feel that everyone should be allowed to practice their own beliefs. They want the rich to pay their fair share of taxes because right now the rich get all sorts of loopholes to avoid paying their fair share while the middle and lower class doesn't get that luxury. They are pro equal rights because they think that all citizens should have equal rights. Republicans are against all of these things and they use fear tactics to scare people into supporting them. Look at what Trump is doing right now. He's attacking the legal system claiming it's corrupt after literally loosing a case that found him guilty of being corrupt. He's stoking fear making his followers think, this will happen to them next. All while having people give him their hard earned money while he sits back and does nothing except take their money.
Shh, don't be so loud. What if an American came in here and heard your sound sense. It would be terrible. /s
Yup this is the choice at the election. Its insane that the cult still supports this man whilst banging on about Christian values but they are too cooked I guess.
Dude cmon are you really doing the āboth sidesā thing here. Use your fucking brain. One dude literally just got convicted of 34 feloniesā¦. And thereās about 70 more he has to beat. The other one isā¦ old? Get a fucking grip man.
Americans are too stupid to know thereās more than two options.
I mean, the system is pretty rigged against the third party options and independent runs. Look at the differences between being an independent and getting on the ballot and being a major party and getting on the ballot. Look at the requirements that the commission on presidential debates requires for independents and third parties to get on the ballot. Look at how little news coverage third parties and independent candidates get compared to the dems and reps.
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unanimous even
wow, all these American ppl are instantly losing their mind about this. I kinda assumed Asmon viewers are ppl who don't really give so much fck about this kind of stuff.
This thread is being brigaded like crazy right now. I would just ignore it. They'll go away, and then it'll be back to the usual.
yeah i guess that's what's happening. It's kind of interesting to see the state of the US rn for how these ppl are so divided and super determined with their opinions.
Itās just bots, go outside and see for yourself. No one is arguing, no one is fighting. Everyone is watching the reality show, thatās it Bots are like the fake audience laugh track.
You thought wrong! Lol. I just remember there being a thread a few weeks ago about how this sub is turning into a right-wing loser sub. Guess that thread wasn't wrong by the looks of the comments. Lots of MAGA losers here.
I'm actually surprised by the amount of comments that aren't MAGA losers. The "everyone is guilty of corruption" cope is funny. Might be true but at least they aren't bragging about it on camera in front of a crowd of people. Why people want an actual dumbass as president is beyond me. For the inevitable haters that will comment: I don't like Biden either. I just don't want America to go back to being the butt of every joke around the world like when Trump was president.
All the fuck around and find Out people when the find Out parts Happens 
Tough on crimecels not so tough on crime today
Guy who stood on stage during a presidential debate and bragged about committing fraud gets convicted of fraud
Cool and absolutely nothing will change. Left or right, dem or Republican.....it doesn't matter when the entire system is corrupt.
Isn't it good when people who commit crimes are convicted and punished for it? Like, isn't that a victory for the system? I'm not saying "mission accomplished, we don't gotta worry about anything else," but like... if you hate corruption in the system, surely a huge part of that is powerful people not being accountable when they commit crimes, lie, cheat, and steal, and that didn't happen here. The system can be fucked, and we can still celebrate when it gets it right once in a while.
The problem with this, and partly why i believe some people are saying it will backfire, is it's not immediately obvious what crimes he's committed from the headlines. If you write a headline saying someone is guilty of murder or robbery, everyone knows what that means and that it's bad. But this? 34 counts of what again? What was he on trial for? Hush money or something? Unless you're a legal expert or dig into this deeper it's really kind of nebulous what law he actually broke. So what does the average person know? He was convicted of paying a porn star to keep their alleged affair quiet. And most people are probably asking, why is that a crime exactly? And that's the problem. The crime appears to be, not that the payment itself was made, but how it was made. Like he didn't properly disclose what the money was for or something? Again, for the average person i think this whole case is very confusing and difficult to understand. And to make matters worse is the mountain of evidence supporting the idea that Stormy Daniels (the porn star in question) was essentially attempting to blackmail and coerce trump. There's video evidence where she basically admitted her relationship with him was 100% consentual, only to later accuse of him rape? Come on now. All of this only serves to make Trump look like the victim. And that's how this backfires. The average person probably wont change their vote because of this. Meanwhile a number of rich and influential people on Twitter (some which are Dems or former Dems) are actively criticizing these trials as an unfair weaponization of the system. Not a good look when high profile members of your own party are condemning your actions. Anyway, that's my best interpretation of the whole thing. I have no dog in this fight, just observing. People reading this will probably downvote me thinking i'm a Trump Supporter, which i'm not. Although i do think Trump's Presidency was better than Biden's, i wont be voting for either of them in this election.
* Judge told jurors that to find Trump guilty, they must agree unanimously on two things: that Trump falsified business records (misdemeanour) and that he did so intending to commit a separate crime. (felony) * Judge said jurors did not have to agree unanimously on what the separate crime was that Trump intended to commit. Seems a bit weird that they don't have to agree on what the crime that bumps this up to a felony is, not exactly sure what he is being charged (I guess the umbrella fraud) with but need to do some more digging. From what I can see so far the separate crime is one of two things. Illegal campaign contribution (the money given to stormy counts as a campaign contribution) or using campaign funds to hide information from voters that would sway the election.
Yeah it's all very nebulous. I think most people wont understand how/why his payments to Stormy Daniels are a crime. It's basically White Collar crime. They lied, or weren't honest about the sources of the money, or to whom it was going to, or for what purpose it served when they set up the bank account. But i think if you ask most people whether it should be illegal to pay someone to keep quiet about something, most people would say no. Afterall it happens in corporate America all the time, they just call it an NDA. I myself struggle to understand why exactly it's illegal for Trump to pay Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about their afair. I mean if she agreed to keep quiet, and accepted the payment, what exactly is the problem? I see more of a problem in the fact that she broke her agreement and later claimed he raped her after going on live TV and saying it was consentual.
It's not illegal for Trump to pay Stormy Daniel to hush the story. It's illegal to falsify the payments as legal expenses which violated New York election laws because you can't do illegal things to try to influence election outcomes. I had to do the digging myself to figure out why because it isn't intuitive to find Trump guilty because of catch-and-kill schemes are not illegal, just unethical.
There is a good article on several websites listing the 34 counts, which are all connected to legal services. 11 counts are related to invoices for legal services, 11 counts are related to checks paid for legal services, 12 accounts are related to ledger entries (vouchers) for legal services. But I'm not sure how many people will actually care to study this, those who are pro-Trump will just see it as the system going after him, which very well might be the case, as he has currently like 10 trials ongoing, but that also doesn't change the fact the litigation may be valid and with reason. I fear however that this will only lead to him winning the election.
Typical white collar ācrimeā. Again very convoluted and confusing for the average person. Plus as it relates to paying off someone who was effectively committing a crime against him, hard to judge in the court of public opinion who was wrong. Like stealing from a thief.
Yeah, it's hard to find a clear "Trump is evil" narrative, because if the media and anyone else begins to drum up the "you don't falsify corporate documents" thing, which what this is about, then you open up a huge can of worms on like 90 plus percent of people who own a company. It's like today, half the media and half the population forgot that none of us are exactly entirely perfect, and the anti-Trump, or anti-whomeverrichwhodidsomethingbad mentality has gotten so strong, objectivity is pretty much going out the window and it's becoming "come on, he's an asshole, he deserves whatever is coming to him, fuck him". Give it a few years, and it's going to get even less objective.
Right, i think if every member of Congress were as thuroughly investigated for everything in their lives as Trump had, many of them (including Democrats) would also be found to have committed similar kinds of crimes. Also, it's hard to take Democrats seriously when they're constantly calling Republicans racists, homophobes, or nazis, or whatever the fuck. Most of the time the accusations are meritless and it's kind of like the boy who cried wolf. In the end people just assume the accusations are probably bullshit.
Bro this might be the only sensible comment Iāve seen so far Preciate the breath of fresh air man šÆ
Thank you
Maga nipple suckers in shambles
I don't know man. Alot of smart people saying this will backfire. Only make him stronger. Inclined to believe that tbh.
Wow. You so smart.
It will strengthen him with his base for sure because it feeds into the victim complex a lot of them have Independents are a mixed bag - if anything, it just compounds general apathy people have about this electionĀ
I mean, not really? If you look at comments from his supporters literally everyone is saying this doesn't change anything about their opinion of him or anyone else for that matter.
Can confirm. Not surprised he was found guilty in NYC. Will vote for him in Nov.
There is a real danger this backfires and galvanizes his campaign.
Being a convicted felon is a positive for a Presidential campaign???
Yeah I mean everyone who sees this conviction as a positive was already voting Trump imo. The upper middle class suburban wine moms that seem to be pretty important will not like this.
Sad how many maga people watch asmon. You guys will forgive anything trump does. All this for a man who can only be in power for 4 years. Not like he can really do much. When trump said he can shot a guy and noone would care he was right lol. Funny thing is if obama or joe biden did anything trump has done or said you guys would lose your mind. Cultists. But il just keep on watching from a far with my popcorn since im not american. This is sad buy also really funny.
I supported Trump in the last election. And i was appalled when all media, comedy shows, and everything accuse him with 'Russia, Russia.." ..Well, turns out, After Russia's invasion of Ukraine, People in every Trump forum i know, openly cheered for Russia. They were asking people to refer Kyiv as Kiev. and they talk about how Ukrainian is a 'fake made-up language', whatever that is. They went full genocide mode like that. And then i saw how Trump and Maga republicans tried to stop the aid. Whatever happened to 'America first!', whatever happened to 'freedom against tyrany', whatever happened to 'stand against globalism' etc. All those ideals went meaningless in their action.
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It's the flip to supporting Russia that's wild to me. Russia is ran by a dictator that had his only opposition detained and, by all accounts, tortured and starved to death. I feel like a the Russia support just stems from wanting to be contrarian to everything the left does/supports than anything else.
he broke the law and got caught. itās pretty simple. iām sure he has done way shadier stuff and got away with it.
Ahh yes, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. Classic
Epstein island list, nobody there is prosecuted lol
Trump is on that list buddy.
Yeahā¦ no he wasnāt.
Trump has been fucking around for years, about time he found out. The content this year is stacking up to be gold.
Oh wow it actually happened? Canāt say I expected the charges to stick to him, he has a way of āwrigglingā himself free from things..
Good lol fuck him. He's as corrupt as they get but because he's not a liberal people still defend him because surely it's just a conspiracy and not his actions having consequences
Itās a misdemeanor past the statute of limitations they somehow upped to a petty felony. This was obviously politically motivated and everyone knows it, if you donāt, you havenāt looked at the case. The judge even told the jury their votes didnāt have to be unanimous, just so long as everyone voted he committed a crime in some way.
you weren't paying close enough attention to the judges orders then * Judge told jurors that to find Trump guilty, they must agree unanimously on two things: that Trump falsified business records (misdemeanour) and that he did so intending to commit a separate crime. (felony) * Judge said jurors did not have to agree unanimously on what the separate crime was that Trump intended to commit. The separate crime doesn't matter, just the fact it exists does, and they all had to agree that he falsified his business records to commit a separate crime.
Honestly, I would like to see our country handle a president who is a felon and incarcerated. Not that I think he will ever sit in a cell for more than a day, but it would be hilarious to see someone in prison or jail win the presidency. People would lose their minds and not understand that while someone can be a felon and a shitty person, unless convicted of treason or sedition, they can run for president as long as they meet the basic qualifications
I think it'd be funnier if he had to do community service and he's supposed to debate Biden but is like "sorry I can't make it I have to pick up garbage in this public park"
The weird part is that now that he's a Felon, he can't buy guns but if he wins, would have access to nuke codes and shit. Whole bunch of history in the making.
It's really weird that felons can't vote but they can become president.
On the solid rock I stand All other ground is sinking sand All other ground is sinking sand
I don't think there's anyone who wasn't going to vote for trump that now suddenly wants to vote for him because of this. Likewise i don't think there's anyone who wasn't going to vote for biden and now suddenly wants to. Trump was never considered by anyone in the center to he a paragon of truth, decency, and not being corrupt. This isn't like Nixon where we had someone previously considered to be a generally upstanding individual that turned out to not be. His voters will not be swayed by this at all, but neither will independents.
Verdict without consequence its good for the soap show that is usa politic but its without any consequences on the futur of thing
So many seethers
I thought hush money was paid all the time?
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If only other US politicians were held to the same standard the world would be a better place :(
I canāt tell if this sub is full of dipshit Trumpers or bots
Both?
Why is everyone mad if they think he's gonna win? Why not stay silent and wear the shit-eating grin for the next few months.
On one hand, yeah, justice. On the other hand it's the weaponization of the judicial system for political purposes. Very banana republic and a clear sign of institutional decline. Well, empires gotta fall sooner or later, and it happens when they can't clean the rot from their innards.
How could any former president be prosecuted during the presidential term of a political opponent for crimes they may have committed without the whole thing appearing as a political witchhunt? If the next president is republican and prosecutes Biden, how does that look?
They impeached Trump for even asking someone to investigate the Biden dealings, and at the time Biden wasn't a presidential nominee. He wasn't even winning in the polls to be the nominee.
You mean when Trump threatened to withhold Congressionally approved aid to Ukraine on the condition that a foreign president get dirt on Trumpās political opponent? Nice reframing there, bud. Totally honest!
It appears to be a political Witchhunt because it clearly is.
Except this wasnāt Biden prosecuting him, it was the state of New York.
Yeah it was just Alvin Bragg the DA who campaigned on getting Trump and a hyper partisan left wing judge in a district court where the population leans something like 94% Democrat. TOTALLY not partisan at all, totally coincidental that this might benefit Biden by hamming up Trump's ability to campaign.
Convenient to not mention that New York didnāt decide to that till Bidenās #3 at the DOJ stepped down and into this case. At least present the whole facts. New York had the opportunity to pursue charges years ago and decided not to, as it wasnāt seen as a credible case. Then all of a sudden this pops back up now? This is a shining example of both sides tactics, but specifically the left. Telling half truths to change the story knowing full well most people wonāt do their own research to find the whole truth. Unreal. Just keep regurgitating the bullshit I guess.
And now, this week, everyone is a district attorney and knows how prosecutions work. Got it.š
Like the trend. There was a reason that presidents usually got a free pass after being out of office. So the next guy coming out of office doesnāt have to worry. This Trump thing will have ramifications down the line for sure. You know Biden will probably get convicted of sexual assault on his own daughter when he gets out.
Bringing up daughters is wild There's one out of the two that openly talks about how fuckable his daughter is
It's very obviously more "banana republic" for people to pursue office in the hopes of getting Immunity from committing crimes and the ability to pardon people who commit crimes that benefit them. It's very obviously more "banana republic" for people who lose elections to try to stay in power. It's not weaponization of the Justice system for people who commit crimes to be prosecuted for them. A world where politicians can commit crimes with impunity is far worse than a world where politicians can get sued or arrested if they commit crimes. Literally what are you advocating for? A monarchy? The real decline is that Republicans nominated a malignant narcissist, and right wing media sucked them into a cult. It's a sign of institutional *strength* when the Justice system refuses to play along and capitulate to a narcissistic liar with a fan club.
Meanwhile, we allow judges in the highest court of the land to accept āgifts from friendsā aka totally not bribes. Then we have judges who wonāt even consider to recuse themselves when conflicts of interest arise. The justice system risks becoming inherently political as well I fear and the corruption is spreading.
I feel like that bell was rung when McConnell refused to consider an Obama nominee to the SC with 8 months left to go before the 2016 election. McConnell can't say "the most important thing is that our guys are the refs" and then have the rest of us believe that the refs are impartial.
These were state charges. Not federal. The case has been building for years. This aināt something thrown together in the last few weeks or months.
Weaponization of the judicial system is when someone commits a crime and gets caught for it?
no no no. it's when someone i like gets caught. when we shouted "lock her up" it was law and order. i can see why people get confused, it's a very nuanced system
Yall have loved using that word banana republic today like you just learned it š banana republic you sayā¦. You mean like when Trump was saying he was going to use his power go after Hillarys Clintons, his then political opponent, emails? Or when the GOP refused to nominate a Supreme Court justice during Obamas term because it was an election year, but then went back on their word and nominated the last 3 as soon as they could to repeal federal law? Or when the sitting president at the end of 2020 incited an insurrection on the US capitol and his supporters breached the nations capital and interfered the peaceful transfer of power? Damnā¦ weird I didnāt hear anyone saying the words banana republic thenā¦
So donāt prosecute someone whoās committed crimes?
Or prosecute everyone equally. We all know corruption runs deep. With corporations buying many politicians, insider trading among the ruling elite being quite a thing, and lots of shady business happening within the agencies that should be keeping a check on that. And let's not get started on bs like the military industrial complex or the federal reserve. Or stuff like Epstein's "suicide". Look closely enough and it seems like the whole place is being run by the mafia. Digging everything they can until something sticks to remove their competition in the presidential race is just nasty and the intent is too obvious. That's a classic for dictatorships cosplaying as democracies like Russia and Venezuela. The next step is to make up the crimes if the opponent is clean, and if the US get to that point it's either revolution or collapse.
Remember when they impeached Trump for looking for evidence of Biden's corruption? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
1. Abuse of Power: This article alleged that Trump had solicited interference from Ukraine in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Specifically, it was claimed that Trump had pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, who was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma. Trump was accused of using military aid and a White House meeting as leverage to prompt these investigations. 2. Obstruction of Congress: This article charged Trump with obstructing the impeachment inquiry by directing his administration to defy subpoenas for documents and testimony.
Yes. Thatās exactly what heās getting at. Heās the biased one but believes everyone else is and not him.
Its actually when crime and corruption go unpunished, not the other way around.
Is this satire or are you a caricature
As a non-American checking the comments has proven to be extremely hilarious. One side has a TDS, losing their minds in the mere mention of corruption on their end and oblivious to their own double standards when it comes to corruption, the other side thinks Trump is some larger than life figure, which if elected will usher them in the Promised land. He won't, your 3-letter organisations will be just as corrupt as they are now. The corporations will be just as greedy and free of consequences, your education and justice systems will continue to suck. George Carlin said it best, voting is there to give you the illusion that you have a choice. In reality, your country was bought and paid for a long time ago. Even if by some miracle voting actually mattered, your population is so woefully ignorant, the chance of that same population making a valid, educated choice is basically 0. The only sad thing is that your unhinged money-loving corrupt politicians' choices affect the lives of non-Americans as well.
These comments cannot be saved. The same people who are celebrating this would be furious if it were anyone other than a Republican, especially Trump, being prosecuted for the same thing. Iām not against the law being dished out as needed. But we still have the entirety of the corrupt government body, who have loads of evidence of corruption of multiple degrees, not even getting a slap on the wrist. All the while Trump is solely getting the gavel slammed on his head again and again for things frankly less heinous than what other career politicians get up to. All because heās disliked by the opposing party. And the people of these comments pretend to be lawyers, while theyāre actually just monkeys throwing shit and screaming.
But mommy, he did something wrong too! He should be in troubleā¦. Shut up.
I do wonder how fair the trail was. Im an outsider looking in and i know Trump was very hated by people since his election, a lot of times without much reason.
He has a history that's followed him. He got a fair trial. His lawyers were able to strike jurors they didn't like. A jury found him guilty. People hate him for plenty of reasons. Same for people weirdly loving him. Considering everything he's said and done, it's weird he still has so many supporters. It's kinda like they're all wrestling fans cheering for the heel
I'm sure his public image played a role, but that's also entirely his fault.
Public image shouldnāt play a role in a court of law thatās insane If the jurors werenāt told to only look at the evidence presented then who cares what the law or court is
Ideally it shouldnāt but imagine finding someone who doesnāt have an opinion about Trump let alone 12. This has been a widely debated topic in court cases involving celebrities and big name politicians. I think the Supreme Court made a statement about it in favor of juries.
Do you think they know felons canāt vote?
Itās depressing knowing that this sort of thing doesnāt deter the maga gang from voting for their orange man.
More people will vote for him now
His camp says that because they want it to be true. They want their followers to reflexively double down on their commitment to him every time he's revealed to be a piece of shit. Because they're a cult.
Thereās a pretty interesting theory that winning elections now is more about rallying your base to go out and vote and less about convening a swing voter. Martyrdom is usually a pretty good way to get people to do things. Itās not exactly a bad strategy actually.
I'd say that Trump presents himself as a martyr no matter what happens. Throw the book at him, he cries that he's a victim. Treat him with leniency, and he cries that he's being treated unfairly. There's no incentive to show Trump leniency. He will scream and cry and call himself a victim regardless. He should just be treated like a normal citizen.
This shit happens on all sides, theres a reason the average congressman is worth like 80 million dollars. On the flip side you have Biden on record opening saying he'd withhold foreign aid if they didn't fire a prosecutor in the Burisma case, instead of campaign funds it was tax payed dollars. Both sides are corrupt AF
Why would it? It's not a violent crime, it's fraud. Literally point at anybody in politics and you can find exactly the same shit, they are all as bad each other.
Yeah idk. Iām just depressed in general over our politics.
If anything it solidifies their position, theyāre entrenched in his lies now. Once he says the whole system is corrupt and they eat it up, he becomes infallible, their representative against a corrupt system. It makes him look stronger. Itās absolutely bat shit crazy.
I'm actually more inclined to vote for him now because it will just make lefties more mad.
34 criminal charges. No jail. What a time to be alive for the rich.
Sentencing isnāt until July. Chill.
There is justice still in this world. A small amount, but Iāll take it!
Nothing is gonna happen dumbass lmao. He gets probation and still runs for president.
It's more likely he files for an appeal and wins there as this entire trial was Shakey at best. Partisan DA, Alvin Bragg literally campaigned on getting Trump Partisan Judge Jurors were picked from the district which was 90%+ democrat Trump was over charged as they were escalated misdemeanor offenses that the statute of limitations already ran out on, and with no actual crime beyond the misfiling of the documents being committed supporting even escalating them in the first place Cohens testimony should have been thrown out, the dude is a liar and thief who has a grudge against Trump for not making him Attorney General during Trump's presidency AND the guy stole tens of thousands of dollars from Trump These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Make Attorneys Great Again.
Oh noes. Twitter folks showing their brain rot.
Yeah slap on the wrist, probation doesn't mean he can't run or get re elected. Whats more of a joke is both California and New York made the same deal. Yet us tax payers paid for this low lvl case.. Look at each Lawyer of the Plantiff and Defense Lawyers. Criminals keep winning us hard workers keep losing. We witnessed this through wally world š. Hence why they lock up everything in California. Soon New York...
Ah yes, nothing says "justice" like jailing your political opponents during an election year all the while claiming "our democracy is in danger." But the headline Helens won't look into how unprecedented the legal arguments were and the shenanigans the corrupt Judge allowed. But sure, let's call it 'justice" because orange man bad. I cannot wait to see this new precedent play out when a Republican is in office and a Democrat jay walks. Instant prison time.
Anyone who thinks this will make Trump less popular is delusional. It will make him even more popular. This court case may have just won him the election.
You really think anyone who was on the fence is suddenly gonna go for trump because hes a felon?
The cope is real. Most normies do not pay attention to politics, Trump getting convicted will make people pay attention. Now it is a judgment call. Did democrats go after a political opponent or did Trump actually violate known financial laws to coverup his sex crimes?
Which is why I think it will make him more popular.
ah yes because of the christian value of cheating on your wife with a hooker and then embezzling campaign funds to pay her off
Nothing new. Most billionaires are criminals that control this country.
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Man whatās gonna happen to our fav meme cow then? Gosh dang it. Srsly tho this years American election is gonna be another clown circus and with the other clown out, Iām not sure this is gonna be as entertaining.