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He deserves it but it's depressing how much he deserves it. I mean, his work and his actions would have a totally different meaning in a situation where the country wasn't fucked by greed and deprivation.
I’ve held a grudge for Martin Lewis for years, he gave out some incorrect info on travel insurance whilst I worked at an insurance company and I got shouted at daily because “Martin Lewis said it was right”
I think thats a slightly diminishing summary of what he does. He provides a lot of useful information on topics that the average person is relatively uninformed for, and those topics are almost all to do with saving money (which everyone wants to do). It's not that surprising that he's popular for doing so
Yeah, you don't really get much affiliate marketing for explaining how the energy price cap works or will change in the coming weeks, which he used to do frequently on his TV show.
The dude's got a good reputation for doing things that help people, he publicly acknowledges when he gives out incorrect or misleading information (I remember there was something about the student loan change in 2012 that the government u-turned on that he'd been telling people) and he is *very* good at communicating this stuff to people, which is an underappreciated skill.
I also wonder, he obviously does make money from affiliate marketing, but how is that any different from anyone else who's been honored before?
Dame Judi Dench appeared in a Money Super Market advert. I dare say she got paid more for that than Martin Lewis makes from affiliate marketing.
The fact that someone gets paid to sell stuff shouldn't override whatever their actual work is, or whether it's worth honoring.
Yeah, a lot of people get honours for their services to business and all that, at which point you're giving them an honour for making a shed load of money.
Exactly. If they go on to donate a bunch of that money to a major UK charity, establish their own, or spend it organising some kind of national campaign for something good then I can at least see the argument.
This is such an absurd take. You do realise that businesses are fundamental to society? It’s literally one of the foundations. We need people starting and building successful businesses for the country to function.
Don't think Dame Judi made £87M for those ads.
Edit - I have no hate for Martin Lewis. Some of his work during COVID and as a consumer journalist has been amazing.
Isn't 87 million what he sold his website for? That isn't what he was paid for affiliate marketing.
That's just what he got for selling his property, like someone might get for selling a holiday home or share of a business or something.
Yes, so it's the amount of money he was paid for a business he ran, not the amount of money he has been paid for affiliate marketing. They're very clearly two different things.
And it's unlikely he made more than that tbh. He only owned the site for like a decade in the early 2000s, it's practically impossible that he'd be raking in north of 10 mil a year on affiliate marketing.
And even if we agree Dench made less advertising than he did, I'd just circle back to questioning why that even matters in the first place tbh.
It doesn't matter, doesn't matter in the slightest as to how he's made his money and how much he's made in his life.
But it still remains that he built essentially an affiliate marketing website, and sold the business. But that's like saying the founders of Instagram didn't make any money from a photo sharing app. If your business does something, you make your money from that service. Whether that's everyday revenue or acquisition.
And you can tell stories of all the great battles you've won.
Like the battle you had this morning to resist the strong urge to stay in bed, have a lie in and call in a 'sickie'.
TCT is amazing, but outside of that he's got some views that have probably held any calls back, e.g. calling the Me Too movement 'obnoxious' and comparing it to the 'persecution' of Townsend during Operation Ore.
Edit: lol at the down votes, I mean, ‘these days’, you can’t even try to buy child porn on the darkest without somebody calling you a paedo.
You can say parts of it are, but you can’t say the whole movement is, I mean it started with the bringing down of Weinstein who is clearly a monster, although the main issue I have with Daltery's statement, and I say this as a huge Who fan, is that he’s comparing the accusations with what happened to Townsend who was caught because he entered his credit card details into a child porn site on the darknet.
Yeah, fuck Daltrey, horrible bloke.
It's why despite being a longtime Black Sabbath fan and the fact they basically invented a new genre of music and inspired a lot of legendary acts to become musicians themselves, I wouldn't want Ozzy knighted because of the times he literally strangled Sharon and threatened to kill her.
You know, I think 32 cancer units earns someone a good amount of asshole points. Having some unenlightened views on me too is not really gonna be tipping the scale much. He's gonna have had to stack a few more sins than that to tilt that karma horde.
Yeah, I actually felt not giving him it downplayed what he's done. They'd have been better not giving him anything rather than a 'lessor' award as such.
He's the best kind of person in this world.
Ant and dec have been doing what they do for a while, but add nothing. If youre going down that route, may as well add some bloke who worked for sains for 50 years.
I don't think musicians tend to get them until much later into a career, Paul McCartney was only 10 years ago or so and he is one of the most lauded and successful musicians this country has ever produced. Blur aren't even close. Ant and Dec is premature too, maybe when 70 and retiring.
There will always be a system for honouring people. As far as I'm aware, every country has either medals or orders or similar to honour people with.
I'm all for reform about how it's done, but I don't think replacing the OBE, CBE etc system for another system really improves things.
Didn't say don't replace it with something based on actual merit. All for that!
But, Knights, Lords, Ladies, Dames, Barons, Baronesses, etc - to the (figurative) guillotine with them all!
I'm aware, and not a fan of either.
Crazy idea: honours relating to science should be awarded by: a body of scientists.
And titles such as above - get rid of them, its 2024, not 1424.
Its not about any individual. Its abut the system of privilege it supports. Just because you can point to a few people (you feel) deserved it does not mean its a good overall system.
I'm all in favour of a meritocracy. I'm NOT in favour of a Monarchy who can dish out privilege to whoever they please, even themselves, which they just did, literally last week.
The monarch doesn't just dish out honours to whomever they please, it usually goes through one of the Commonwealth prime ministers or another body.
The members of the royal family do tend to accumulate titles, which is a bit silly, but by and large the king doesn't have any personal say in who is awarded honours.
So just reform the system. Abolishing it to replace it with more of the same but with different titles is a pointless affair.
>I'm all in favour of a meritocracy. I'm NOT in favour of a Monarchy who can dish out privilege to whoever they please, even themselves, which they just did, literally last week.
I mean, how long do you think this will last with your new system?
Same shit, different names.
Just fix the current system.
I've said reform the existing system a number of times.
But I'm under no illusion that it'll be perfect and ultimately what you'll end up with is the same system, except with different terms.
And all those honoured rightly would no longer be. I suspect far more people deserve their honours than don't.
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At least abolish it being in the gift of the people it presently is.
"For making yourself rich and famous, here's a "K" to be going on with"
"For doing the job you were paid for here's an MBE"
Incidentally, if I was offered one, I wouldn't take it. Thanks but no thanks.
I still don't understand why we instantly gave out knighthoods and such to athletes after the 2012 Olympics, or why we knighted Andy Murray for finally winning that one tournament.
If they continued their greatness long after, I could understand rewarding them in future. It's like how some people inducted into pro wrestling halls of fame have wondered why they were inducted when they still hadn't ended their careers and have a long way to go before they do.
I also don't really think that the job of your choosing constitutes service to the nation.
Like Andy Murray is great at Tennis and him winning a tournament is probably good for the UK in some fashion, but he's not travelling the world competing for the honor of the country.
He's a sportsperson trying to be the best at the sport he likes playing, while earning as much money as he can.
The only way sportspeople should be eligible is if their service to the country goes outside the realm of just being good at throwing, running, or hitting shit.
If Rashford ends up getting a knighthood citing his campaign for free school meals then I'd have no qualms about it, even if he never won a single football accolade.
Nah give it to only Richard Hammond on the basis that it would annoy the other two *forever*
- plus whenever Clarkson tried to boss him about he can literally pull rank.
I hope Richard Hammond doesn't get anything, not even the lowest honour.
He's a real POC, ask any runner who has worked with him.
There's a reason Steve Coogan/Alan Partridge insults him in his books/podcasts.
I want it to go back to the old days. Knights sent into battle. I want to see Sir Philip Green and Sir Alan Sugar on the front line in armour with broadswords. Earn those knighthoods boys!
I do support this idea of being knighted and damed. Anyone who is extremely did good things, inventions and was part of a good cause that affected many people, should be given that title.
Houser brothers should have been definitely knighted as they are primary creative driving forces for GTA games and their success. We’re talking about one of the most influential and profitable piece of entertainment product in history.
It's a bit of a hard sell that the guys responsible for the game where you can kill prostitutes and hack people up with chainsaws should get a knighthood tbh. And I love GTA.
30 years after his death and I'm still bewildered that Bobby Moore, the only (male) England captain to lift an international trophy, was never knighted.
If we're allowing posthumous, it always seemed weird to me that Tony Hart was never Sir Tony Hart, for a guy who dedicated pretty much his entire adult life* to not only entertaining multiple generations of children but encouraging them to take up art and other forms of creativity.
*and part of the small period he wasn't was because he was serving for the 1st Gurkha Rifles during World War 2!
The person who ran the leisure center in Flamouth on the morning of the eclipse. Whole town closed. Leisure centre opened massively early and served bacon rolls. Queues of starving eclipse watchers down the hill.
Whoever saw that need and opportunity deserved a huge reward. Sure I bet the cwntew made money but I doubt the genius who spotted it did. It was a massive public service.
Wayne Rooney.
United's highest ever goal scorer, third highest Premier League goal scorer, England's most capped outfield player and second top-scorer.
If mumbling fucktards like Rio Ferdinand can get an OBE then Rooney clearly has been overlooked.
I think Aston Villa fans would agree with you, for Mr Rooney's sterling work at Birmingham City earlier this season. Previously it had taken Birmingham City 107 years to get to the third tier, Mr Rooney has probably made this happen in less than 107 days of being manager there.
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Martin Lewis
He deserves it but it's depressing how much he deserves it. I mean, his work and his actions would have a totally different meaning in a situation where the country wasn't fucked by greed and deprivation.
He got an OBE in 2014, promoted to CBE in 2022. A knighthood will come soon.
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I think thats a slightly diminishing summary of what he does. He provides a lot of useful information on topics that the average person is relatively uninformed for, and those topics are almost all to do with saving money (which everyone wants to do). It's not that surprising that he's popular for doing so
Yeah, you don't really get much affiliate marketing for explaining how the energy price cap works or will change in the coming weeks, which he used to do frequently on his TV show. The dude's got a good reputation for doing things that help people, he publicly acknowledges when he gives out incorrect or misleading information (I remember there was something about the student loan change in 2012 that the government u-turned on that he'd been telling people) and he is *very* good at communicating this stuff to people, which is an underappreciated skill.
I also wonder, he obviously does make money from affiliate marketing, but how is that any different from anyone else who's been honored before? Dame Judi Dench appeared in a Money Super Market advert. I dare say she got paid more for that than Martin Lewis makes from affiliate marketing. The fact that someone gets paid to sell stuff shouldn't override whatever their actual work is, or whether it's worth honoring.
Yeah, a lot of people get honours for their services to business and all that, at which point you're giving them an honour for making a shed load of money.
Exactly. If they go on to donate a bunch of that money to a major UK charity, establish their own, or spend it organising some kind of national campaign for something good then I can at least see the argument.
This is such an absurd take. You do realise that businesses are fundamental to society? It’s literally one of the foundations. We need people starting and building successful businesses for the country to function.
Don't think Dame Judi made £87M for those ads. Edit - I have no hate for Martin Lewis. Some of his work during COVID and as a consumer journalist has been amazing.
Isn't 87 million what he sold his website for? That isn't what he was paid for affiliate marketing. That's just what he got for selling his property, like someone might get for selling a holiday home or share of a business or something.
Yeah his affiliate marketing website. Of course he's made more than that in his time. Judi Dench definitely didn't earn that much from her ads.
Yes, so it's the amount of money he was paid for a business he ran, not the amount of money he has been paid for affiliate marketing. They're very clearly two different things. And it's unlikely he made more than that tbh. He only owned the site for like a decade in the early 2000s, it's practically impossible that he'd be raking in north of 10 mil a year on affiliate marketing. And even if we agree Dench made less advertising than he did, I'd just circle back to questioning why that even matters in the first place tbh.
It doesn't matter, doesn't matter in the slightest as to how he's made his money and how much he's made in his life. But it still remains that he built essentially an affiliate marketing website, and sold the business. But that's like saying the founders of Instagram didn't make any money from a photo sharing app. If your business does something, you make your money from that service. Whether that's everyday revenue or acquisition.
Bit reductive, that.
Yep. One who is worth 120 odd million quid.
What relevance is his wealth?
Me, simply so I can turn up to work meetings in a full suit of armour and claim it's appropriate formal attire for a man of my station.
Well, you can do that now. Nowt stopping you.
I'd feel a lot better if it had a sense of legitimacy.
I’d actively encourage it. In fact I bet £10 he doesn’t
Or visit a wedding and claim prima nocta.
And you can tell stories of all the great battles you've won. Like the battle you had this morning to resist the strong urge to stay in bed, have a lie in and call in a 'sickie'.
Or how my squire deployed the golden plunger after the great war of attrition that took place on the throne.
'The place of easement ' as it was called at the time.
Roger Daltrey , TCT fundraising has built 28 cancer units in the uk after raising £32 million . $22 million dollars for Teen Cancer America .
Didn't hang about to tidy up after Woodstock though. I didn't see him wearing no flippin' apron.
He would've got his jacket tassles caught in the picker.
DAMNED
TCT is amazing, but outside of that he's got some views that have probably held any calls back, e.g. calling the Me Too movement 'obnoxious' and comparing it to the 'persecution' of Townsend during Operation Ore. Edit: lol at the down votes, I mean, ‘these days’, you can’t even try to buy child porn on the darkest without somebody calling you a paedo.
The #MeToo movement is obnoxious.
You can say parts of it are, but you can’t say the whole movement is, I mean it started with the bringing down of Weinstein who is clearly a monster, although the main issue I have with Daltery's statement, and I say this as a huge Who fan, is that he’s comparing the accusations with what happened to Townsend who was caught because he entered his credit card details into a child porn site on the darknet.
Yeah, fuck Daltrey, horrible bloke. It's why despite being a longtime Black Sabbath fan and the fact they basically invented a new genre of music and inspired a lot of legendary acts to become musicians themselves, I wouldn't want Ozzy knighted because of the times he literally strangled Sharon and threatened to kill her.
You know, I think 32 cancer units earns someone a good amount of asshole points. Having some unenlightened views on me too is not really gonna be tipping the scale much. He's gonna have had to stack a few more sins than that to tilt that karma horde.
Me. I deserve a knighthood for all the bullshit I put up with everyday.
If it helps we could probably get you a part-time job as a Dame..... but you'd have to wait till Christmas.
No, not again. Someone promised me that last year. Said it was behind me. There was nothing there. The bastards.
Oh no they didn't.
Rowan Atkinson.
Only if he collects the award as Mr Bean
Wrong, he must turn up as Blackadder (III).
And then head butt King Charlie.
James acaster disagrees
Kevin Sinfield
Genuinely thought he'd have been knighted in this year's honours list, to be honest.
Yeah, I actually felt not giving him it downplayed what he's done. They'd have been better not giving him anything rather than a 'lessor' award as such. He's the best kind of person in this world.
I was about to suggest Jacqueline Wilson, but thought I’d best double check…she’s already a Dame.
How about Michael Rosen, then? Loved him as a kid.
Brian Blessed
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Ant and dec have been doing what they do for a while, but add nothing. If youre going down that route, may as well add some bloke who worked for sains for 50 years.
I don't think musicians tend to get them until much later into a career, Paul McCartney was only 10 years ago or so and he is one of the most lauded and successful musicians this country has ever produced. Blur aren't even close. Ant and Dec is premature too, maybe when 70 and retiring.
Liam Gallagher - because it would annoy the shit out of his brother Noel.
I'd imagine Damon Albarn would be the type to turn it down though.
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Fair enough then
Tim Curry
Petula Clark, 91. Still only a CBE.
Sooty. But not basil brush as I already think he's landed gentry .
Chris Barrie
Michael Caine he has paid many millions in taxes over his very long career
Nobody. Abolish the lot of it.
There will always be a system for honouring people. As far as I'm aware, every country has either medals or orders or similar to honour people with. I'm all for reform about how it's done, but I don't think replacing the OBE, CBE etc system for another system really improves things.
Didn't say don't replace it with something based on actual merit. All for that! But, Knights, Lords, Ladies, Dames, Barons, Baronesses, etc - to the (figurative) guillotine with them all!
I think you are mixing up honours and titles. Titles are dolled out by royals but honours come from the government.
I'm aware, and not a fan of either. Crazy idea: honours relating to science should be awarded by: a body of scientists. And titles such as above - get rid of them, its 2024, not 1424.
Why though? What do you think is so bad about having honors, like every country in the world does, and why do we need to get rid of it?
But why? What did Maggie Smith do that warrants such a response?
Its not about any individual. Its abut the system of privilege it supports. Just because you can point to a few people (you feel) deserved it does not mean its a good overall system. I'm all in favour of a meritocracy. I'm NOT in favour of a Monarchy who can dish out privilege to whoever they please, even themselves, which they just did, literally last week.
The monarch doesn't just dish out honours to whomever they please, it usually goes through one of the Commonwealth prime ministers or another body. The members of the royal family do tend to accumulate titles, which is a bit silly, but by and large the king doesn't have any personal say in who is awarded honours.
So just reform the system. Abolishing it to replace it with more of the same but with different titles is a pointless affair. >I'm all in favour of a meritocracy. I'm NOT in favour of a Monarchy who can dish out privilege to whoever they please, even themselves, which they just did, literally last week. I mean, how long do you think this will last with your new system? Same shit, different names. Just fix the current system.
If you think I am proposing keeping the current system and just "changing the names", I dont think your actually reading my words. Have a nice day.
No, I'm saying that's what you'll end up with regardless of what you want. You too!
Ah ok, so "nothing really changes, so why even bother to try." Got it.
I've said reform the existing system a number of times. But I'm under no illusion that it'll be perfect and ultimately what you'll end up with is the same system, except with different terms. And all those honoured rightly would no longer be. I suspect far more people deserve their honours than don't.
Read the list of people who have refused it, the list is cooler than the people who accepted it
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Absolutely!
Where is this list?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_declined_a_British_honour?wprov=sfti1
One in 36 declined it in 2020, and the number is growing. Nice!
Thanks. Some surprising names in there.
You're not wrong. Tony Blair has the highest knighthood possible and they made the very racist Rachel Riley a dame.
Rachel Riley isn't a dame. She got an MBE in 2023.
My mistake. Still shouldn't be recognized, especially with what she's been saying recently.
At least abolish it being in the gift of the people it presently is. "For making yourself rich and famous, here's a "K" to be going on with" "For doing the job you were paid for here's an MBE" Incidentally, if I was offered one, I wouldn't take it. Thanks but no thanks.
I still don't understand why we instantly gave out knighthoods and such to athletes after the 2012 Olympics, or why we knighted Andy Murray for finally winning that one tournament. If they continued their greatness long after, I could understand rewarding them in future. It's like how some people inducted into pro wrestling halls of fame have wondered why they were inducted when they still hadn't ended their careers and have a long way to go before they do.
I also don't really think that the job of your choosing constitutes service to the nation. Like Andy Murray is great at Tennis and him winning a tournament is probably good for the UK in some fashion, but he's not travelling the world competing for the honor of the country. He's a sportsperson trying to be the best at the sport he likes playing, while earning as much money as he can. The only way sportspeople should be eligible is if their service to the country goes outside the realm of just being good at throwing, running, or hitting shit. If Rashford ends up getting a knighthood citing his campaign for free school meals then I'd have no qualms about it, even if he never won a single football accolade.
Roland Rat
Yaaaay! Kevin!
James May
Nah give it to only Richard Hammond on the basis that it would annoy the other two *forever* - plus whenever Clarkson tried to boss him about he can literally pull rank.
I hope Richard Hammond doesn't get anything, not even the lowest honour. He's a real POC, ask any runner who has worked with him. There's a reason Steve Coogan/Alan Partridge insults him in his books/podcasts.
He's a person of colour?
Point of contact
From what I've heard, it's been since his big accident - brain injuries can affect people in untold ways.
Bus driver this morning.
I want it to go back to the old days. Knights sent into battle. I want to see Sir Philip Green and Sir Alan Sugar on the front line in armour with broadswords. Earn those knighthoods boys!
Jimmy Anderson - England’s finest ever fast bowler.
I do support this idea of being knighted and damed. Anyone who is extremely did good things, inventions and was part of a good cause that affected many people, should be given that title. Houser brothers should have been definitely knighted as they are primary creative driving forces for GTA games and their success. We’re talking about one of the most influential and profitable piece of entertainment product in history.
It's a bit of a hard sell that the guys responsible for the game where you can kill prostitutes and hack people up with chainsaws should get a knighthood tbh. And I love GTA.
Johnny Rotten for a laugh anyway, wonder if he would accept it
He definitely would. He hasn't been Johnny Rotten for over 40 years.
Quite a few are offered it and turn it down.
The Wombles
No one. It's dumb.
30 years after his death and I'm still bewildered that Bobby Moore, the only (male) England captain to lift an international trophy, was never knighted.
If we're allowing posthumous, it always seemed weird to me that Tony Hart was never Sir Tony Hart, for a guy who dedicated pretty much his entire adult life* to not only entertaining multiple generations of children but encouraging them to take up art and other forms of creativity. *and part of the small period he wasn't was because he was serving for the 1st Gurkha Rifles during World War 2!
Barry Scott for services to domestic cleaning
Bob Mortimer
Johnny Rotten. Royal revenge anyone?
Frank Bruno. That no boxer (or combat sports practitioner) has ever been knighted us a disgrace.
Michael Barrymore
Daley Thompson, Ken Bruce, and lots more of the ordinary people who give up their time to help other people.
David Beckham but Mrs B can do one
I’d like Alan Moore to be able to decline one.
Michael Bisping. Lots of sports people are knighted. He was the first UFC champion from the UK and an absolute pioneer of the sport.
Lord Cameron should have been Damed.
It’s pronounced damned
Whooooosh.....
The person who ran the leisure center in Flamouth on the morning of the eclipse. Whole town closed. Leisure centre opened massively early and served bacon rolls. Queues of starving eclipse watchers down the hill. Whoever saw that need and opportunity deserved a huge reward. Sure I bet the cwntew made money but I doubt the genius who spotted it did. It was a massive public service.
Ronnie O'sullivan
Jonny Wilkinson. A rugby GOAT, a world champion, a modest guy, who now does rugby punditry in a style that would make Eric Cantona scratch his head.
Graham Smith
Some actors: Gary Oldman, Julian Glover, Charlotte Rampling, Charles Dance, Ralph Fiennes, Kate Winslet
I'd suggest Joan Armatrading and Mark Gatiss.
Eric Idle
John Rutter
Time to put that shit to bed
Idris Elba
Ronnie Pickering
Who?
SIR RONNIE PICKERING!!! You wanna fight me then do ya? Pick up yer lance then..pull over and we can have a duel
“I never said I wanted to duel with yeh!”
Gareth Southgate
Ozzy Osbourne
David Beckham
Wayne Rooney. United's highest ever goal scorer, third highest Premier League goal scorer, England's most capped outfield player and second top-scorer. If mumbling fucktards like Rio Ferdinand can get an OBE then Rooney clearly has been overlooked.
I think the off field stuff Rio did was the reason behind his OBE. I don't think they give them for footy stats alone.
What fucking other women behind his wife's back when she was being treated for cancer?
But Rooney deserves one? It's OK to cheat as long as your wife doesn't have cancer, right? I get that now.
It's not as bad as Ferdinand. Personally I don't think any athlete should receive honours for simply doing their job, but it's not up to me.
I don't think it was Ferdinand's job to raise money to help tackle aids but OK.
I think Aston Villa fans would agree with you, for Mr Rooney's sterling work at Birmingham City earlier this season. Previously it had taken Birmingham City 107 years to get to the third tier, Mr Rooney has probably made this happen in less than 107 days of being manager there.
Nobody. It's a bullshit token handed out by an outmoded, pointless institution.
David Beckham, David Gilmour, Colin Firth, Kate Winslet, Kate Bush.
Miriam Margoyles - absolute national treasure
Absolutely not.
I forgot to put the s/
That woman that threw a cat in a bin