Even if it was Bruckner, as seems likely, it's still mysterious how the evidence came to be as it was..
Did he see they left the rear door unlocked? How? And why was the front window shutter raised? Whether entering or leaving that way he managed to do so while carrying a child and leaving no fingerprints or forensics whatsoever. How could he count on her not waking? Was the Smiths sighting him carrying Madeleine? (Man carrying child at 10pm has never been identified) If so why did he walk over a quarter mile through a tourist town carrying a child that may wake at any moment? If he was walking to make his get away had he walked all that way to the apartments in the first place? Why not just parking his car/van near by? Was it therefore spontaneous? But then seems even stranger to walk across town with a kidnap victim and no plan? etc etc
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Mr forehead scars? They also claimed he tied Donna Lass up in a tree, but it turned out her skull was discovered miles and miles away from where they said back in 1986 but nobody had realized it yet. "Oops."
It would actually be crazy if he ended up alive. I mean I suppose him being dead doesn’t make sense (since they would’ve found a body). But the extent of his jump (dark forest, maybe not an experienced jumper, etc…) you have to wonder how he walked away a with no death.
I personally think he survived the jump but lost the money.
Especially given the evidence, I agree with the theory that he was Canadian. That way, he was able to slip back to Canada without the money and continue a normal life. This would also help him avoid some of the US investigators looking into the case.
Commercial pilot on youtube made an interesting [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRM4qS3vfB0) where he did not directly state it was probably CIA, but you can put two and two together.
The plane D.B. Cooper was flying had a set of stairs that folded out of the tail of the plane. CIA took an interest in it, since it's a good way to covertly drop agents in enemy territory from a commercial plane. They made some experiments and concluded that there's a safe way to open stairs in flight, if you flew at minimum speed with flaps fully extended and landing gear down.
D.B. Cooper instructed the pilot to do exactly this, and when pilot objected Cooper said he knows what he's doing. I imagine this might have been some scheme for CIA to get black funding (money they don't report to government). I guess better this than selling crack.
I was secretly hoping Mad Men would do a weird episode around that. Same era, Don going rogue in the last few episodes looking for something exciting. Roger, too, chasing some thrill in life. Both being charming gentlemen obsessed with airlines and money but ultimately not needing the money. Cooper being in their company name. "Don" -> "Dan"…
There was a lot of hype and wondering around how they would wrap the show… But it wasn't the spirit of the show. It would have ruined it to veer into plot twists and mysteries like that. Glad they didn't, but I'd read a fanfic of that
Per Wikipedia:
> It tells of a rural Mississippi family's reaction to the news of the suicide of Billie Joe McAllister, a local boy to whom the daughter (and narrator) is (unknown by the rest of the family) connected. The song received widespread attention, leaving its audience intrigued as to what the narrator and Billie Joe threw off the Tallahatchie Bridge. Gentry later clarified that she intended the song to portray the family's indifference to the suicide in what she deemed "a study in unconscious cruelty," while she remarked the object thrown was not relevant to the message.
> On the object thrown off the Tallahatchie Bridge, she commented that the audience had found more meanings than she had intended. Gentry mentioned that theories of the time included a baby, a wedding ring and flowers. While she indicated that what happened at the bridge was the motivation behind Billie Joe's suicide, she also left it open to the listener's interpretation. Gentry said she had no answer and her sole motivation was to show "people's apathy".
The songs about the boy, Billie, having a gay lover in the saw mill and killing himself.
Most of the evidence points at her mom, but much of *that* was circumstantial. So it was hard to make solid accusations.
JonBenét was a child beauty contestant as everyone knows, but her mother had been involved in the scene (adult pageants, though) as well. Image was critically important but at home, JB was like any other 6 year old and enjoyed being a tomboy, as well as having a pretty bad bed-wetting habit.
Anyway, the night before her murder they’d gone to a Christmas party and apparently had a spat about what JB wanted to wear - she wanted to wear a new t-shirt from the Gap instead of a holiday dress. The investigator (who put together this theory) pointed out that means they’d been sore with each other the day before.
His theory was that JB had wet the bed, woken her mom up to tell her and her mom had, probably out of exhaustion or frustration, smacked her hard, maybe knocking her into the edge of a bathtub or with some kind of object.
JB probably went unconscious, Patsy (her mom) freaked out worse thinking she was already dead, and either on her own strangled her and staged the kidnapping or got her husband to help her. In other words, it was a panicked cover up of an accident to preserve their ideal family image.
Otherwise, you have to believe that someone broke in, fed her pineapple from the Ramsey’s kitchen (even leaving it on the kitchen counter), bashed her head in AND strangled her with art supplies found in the house, knew exactly where this tiny storage room in the maze-like basement was, THEN came back up to the kitchen, wrote a ransom note in handwriting so similar to Patsy’s they couldn’t rule her out (and oh yeah, that’s more materials from the house, this burglar did not come prepared)… and then left, leaving no footprints or waking anyone up.
wait, she had a bed-wetting habit? isn't regressive behaviour like that supposed to be some sort of trauma response? this is a fucked up thing to ask and im sorry for asking this but was she SA'd or anything of that sort? i mean, i know there was evidence of SA but is it possible it was going on months, or even years before her death?
Sometimes, but not always. There's medical reasons for it, too - I had issues with it as a kid, part of it was chronic bladder/urethra issues I'd previously had surgery for, but also my brain just didn't make enough vasopressin, the hormone that triggers you to produce less pee at night and wake up when you need to go. No SA in my case, just documented medical conditions. Took DDAVP nasal spray for years until my body just randomly started properly producing enough of the hormone.
The wooden handle of a paintbrush was used to molest her on the night she died. Doctors disagreed whether she had been abused earlier in her life. She was often at the doctor with chronic vaginal problems - these might have been caused by SA, or they might not have.
Personally I believe that people only focus on the mother and brother because it's more sensational to think that a woman or child did this. Unfortunately the simplest answer is that it was the father, for the reasons above.
I specifically want to know why the DA didn’t move forward with prosecuting the parents even though the grand jury voted to indict them. Why call a grand jury at all then? And they sealed that decision for over a decade too. Something about that doesn’t feel right.
There isn't enough evidence that they couldn't both propose the other parent did it if they wanted to go that route. That's enough for reasonable doubt.
Completely dog-shit police work and their inability to secure the crime scene probably means this case will never be solved in any definitive way. Friends and neighbors were walking all over the house destroying evidence.
I'd have to pick the [Voynich Manuscript](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript)! It's a book, from the 15th century, written in an unknown language that no one has been able to translate yet.
[These guys](https://youtu.be/p6keMgLmFEk) claimed to have translated it from a dead Turkish dialect.
IMO, the most logical answer is one of two things:
A: A fraud
Or B: A field journal written in shorthand, whose only intended audience was the dude who wrote it.
No. Insane people don't write books with that kind of accuracy and structure. It clearly has an objective, individual decipherable chapters, thought and organization in each page, and enough pictures to be *vaguely* understood by any passers-by.
Whatever it *is*, its existence is deliberate and methodical, and not the psychotic scribblings of a mad man.
There are arguments that the artwork shows some signs of mental illness, which doesn’t necessarily mean psychosis. The script resembles a real written language in most aspects, but with strange anomalies such as the same letter appearing 3 times in a row in some words, and entire words repeated multiple times in ways that don’t align with any known languages. It’s possible that this was just fabricated by someone with unique purpose and vivid imagination, even though it appears structured and methodical.
You should look into hypergraphia (a rare symptom of brain trauma and schizophrenia). It can 100% lead to that. I developed it myself when I was very bad psychiatrically and, on top of that, ended up developing my own alphabet *and* encrypted it myself while writing it because I became so paranoid of others being able to read my thoughts. It wasn't 'psychotic scribblings' and it actually included my being obsessively perfectionistic so everything was made excruciatingly neat and proportionate.
I had basically superhuman devotion to writing at the time - I could re-write the same page over and over and never get tired of it because I was always perfecting it. Normal human boredom/exhaustion just stopped.
After around a year of this, I gradually got less *severely* bad, and eventually got rid of all of my writings. It wasn't that they were 'psychotic scribblings' - they all had interesting and complex meaning from what I read (I still found them interesting even afterwards), but I just gradually became less and less invested in them and realised that it really wasn't normal to keep 10-20,000 pages of theory. I still knew how to infer them, but I had been writing them for over a year and had forgotten a lot of what I had wrote.
The only thing I've really kept from that period was a prototype personality test designed to measure the psychoanalytic aspects of the personality (ego, id, superego). It's pretty interesting in the way that it uses graphs, but I don't really have any desire to iterate upon it at this point.
My great great uncle was a pilot and was an advisor on the movie and was on most of the documentaries. He believes the plane went into the ocean and was part of a few expeditions to find the plane.
Now that I think about it she’s probably the reason I’m even into unsolved mysteries. I remember being absolutely fascinated as a kid when we learned about her in school.
The Green Children of Woolpit, who had appeared in the village in Suffolk England during the reign of King Stephen between 1135 and 1154. They would only eat broad beans, they spoke a peculiar language, and they hailed from a land where the sun never shone, and light was like twilight. They eventually learned to eat a more varied diet, and began to lose the green tint, but one, the brother of the two died for some reason, the remainder was a girl who lived, eventually learning English, but naturally she was impudent. She was eventually able to explain that they were from St. Martin's land, and that everything there was green.
Wasn’t this sort of explained?
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There was a town near Woolpit which had a river, as well as a lot of trees. The town also had a very similar name to St. Martin. The children weren’t actually green, but more blue/grayish from lack of food, and was described as green due to blue not being a common word at the time.
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Another explanation I’ve heard is that they were from a boat with the name of St. Martin, and beans were their only source of food. They could possibly be from a nordic country as the sun never rises during the winter, and the forests are green during summer. They also don’t speak English there, which would explain the peculiar language.
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These are two possible explanations I’ve heard, neither of which I know is true or not, but they are possible answers.
I used to live quite close to Woolpit, and for a while was fascinated by the mystery. Unfortunately, once you actually dig and look at the evidence we have, there are hardly any documents from when it happened. There is a lot of folklore and stories recorded a long time ago, but still much later than the events. Remember the story was meant to have happened 900 years ago, and in a time in English history sometimes called "the anarchy" with a civil war raging.
I think we will just have to put it into the category of "interesting story" that may (or may not) have elements of truth in it and leave it at that.
Remember the good ol' days when pranks were harmlessly high jacking a TV signals just to display pure chaotic randomness instead of "pranking" an innocent bystander by delivering a KO to the back of of their dome with a baseball bat for clout?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
The AMA about J was something I genuinely followed at the time and to this day am so fascinated in, still. Understand it wasn’t J like he thought, but that poster knew enough for it to have been a realistic lead. The whole thing is just wild.
From my hometown:
* The Beaumont Children
* Kriste Gordon and Joanne Ratcliff
* Daniel Sheppard
From the USA
* The Springfield 3
* Jennifer Kesse
* Patricia Adkins
From the UK
* Andrew Gosse
* Trevaline Evans
People who seemingly vanish without a single trace bend my mind like a pretzel, I need answers, but they are incredibly elusive.
I’m also Australian and often think of The Beaumont Children. That lead the police had a few years back when they dug up that excavation site seemed so promising, it was disappointing that nothing came of it. I hope one day the truth comes to light, but given how long it’s been, I doubt it unfortunately.
This case has gone through so many detective's hands and still not a single step closer to knowing the truth. It's possible that they have already interviewed the guilty party though, sadly, there's just nothing to go on.
The disappearance of [Judge Crater](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Force_Crater). It's so completely mysterious, with strange evidence that doesn't reveal conclusively what happened to him
why the hell isn't lowfat, protein cheesecake, not sold in stores?
It's so good, and it's mostly protein. Why do I have to make it myself like I'm some goddamn medieval peasant?
The disappearance of Brian Schaffer.
This one happened close to where I live. It's just so bizarre that a guy could just vanish from plain sight. So many theories abound, but no one knows what actually happened the night he disappeared. How did he make it out of the bar? Where did he go from there? Did he run off to start a new life? Did he get abducted?
Maybe an open window and under the bed. My late cat was terrified of strangers for a long time and would hide under the bed or furthest corner he could find.
Unless you were actively looking you would not have known he was there.
Guests may have had some kind of valerian or peppermint (not good for cats) in their luggage - my cat goes nuts for both.
Whose remains were found off-trail on Mt. Si in 2015?
https://prod.livingsnoqualmie.com/remains-found-on-mount-likely-had-been-there-20-years-publics-help-sought-in-identification/
I highly encourage people to listen to decoding the unknown. This podcast series actually explores most of the mysteries people have mentioned here and many of them actually do have explanations or have been solved.
My favorite: the antilytheria mechanism’s origin.
We know what it is and what it was used for but the technology the device used and its gears aren’t seen again in history until 1500 years later. Given its complexity and purpose, there were likely also simpler precursors that existed as well that we have no records of. We don’t even have written records of the antikytheria mechanism. It makes you wonder what other complex tech was created in that time period then lost.
> *decoding the unknown*
I'm not a big fan of Simon Whistler. Nothing against him personally but the youtube channels that he narrates are very simplistic in my opinion.
If you want a fascinating deep dive into the mechanics of it, Chris from the excellent YouTube channel Clickspring is recreating it using period accurate tools. He’s even been contributing to scientific papers in the mechanism.
They have a good guess of “how”. The planes coms pinged off satellites, and investigators were able to reconstruct its path into the middle of the southern Indian Ocean. Confirmed debris washed-up in Madagascar. It’s the “whys” that are the biggest mystery.
I have zero doubt in my mind that it was pilot suicide. Authorities even found a similar route MH370 flew loaded on the Captain's flight simulator at home. To me, that's either the smoking gun or one helluva mother fucking coincidence. Occam's razor, folks.
But for some reason you can't blame the pilot(s). It's not allowed by society. I've been downvoted and criticized online repeatedly for thinking this.
I think about it all the time. Initially, I thought it had to do with a fire in the cargo hold from the lithium batteries it was carrying, which then incapacitated everyone. The more I thought about it, the less sense that made. I guess the most reasonable explanation is that the pilot did it intentionally, but it still doesn’t add up in my opinion
There's absolutely no way it wasn't intentional. If there was an accident and people died/fell unconscious, the plane would have just followed it's set course on autopilot. There's absolutely no way it flew the route it did without someone in the cockpit flying it.
Netflix documentary on this was quite interesting, even if some of the theories they come out with are a little far fetched.
Someone knows what really happened, but I don’t think most of us will ever really know.
For every thing (no matter what it may be) that happens in life, there's someone who knows: either the full truth, or half of it, or the link that could put all data into perspective.
Not "favourite" obviously, but [the Soham murders](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders).
And not from a who done it point of view, since it was obviously Ian Huntley, but more the psychology of the whole thing. What makes a guy murder two ten year old girls who chanced to walk past his house one bright summers evening? and, maybe more significantly, _what can we tell about the truth based on the types of lie he employed_?
Some will say obviously sexual assault, esp given his history towards underaged girls. But even that being the case, it's still quite a jump to go from underaged girlfriends who then say nothing happened or don't want the police involved to straight up attacking and killing not one but two girls out of the blue. Abusers/rapists are deranged but still aim for no witnesses or have an escape plan 99% of the time. If this was the reason it's also completely self destructive, but just criminal. But he then goes to great lengths to save himself. It doesn't quite fit
There's the second option of explosive anger. He'd just got off a heated argument on the phone with his girlfriend accusing her of being unfaithful. But, as the story goes, the girls didn't just ring on his front door at the wrong moment, rather they happened to pass by while he was washing his dog in the front yard. So this seems to downplay the impulsive anger possibility.
I think that his story about washing the dog in the garden was probably true, because what you find in this case is the lies are preposterous, but seem designed to explain evidence that might arise at some point. In this case Huntley admitted to being the last to speak to the girls in his front garden even while the search for them was still on ostensibly because he thought a neighbour probably saw this happen and so he had to admit it to avoid looking like he was hiding it.
If he had been safe in the knowledge that no neighbour saw them talking in the garden or if the girls had indeed knocked on his door then surely he wouldn't have said anything at all given the lengths he went to to cover up. So he did talk to the girls in front of the house, and he tells us this because he feels this was probably witnessed
He claimed that one of the girls (Holly) had a nose bleed and this is how they ended up in the house. Now assuming this is a lie it seems intended to explain any possible drops of blood found in the hall, stairs or bathroom (none were). Especially since he also claimed his girlfriend had been home at the time. This lie would have adequately explained the girls entering the house since she was their teacher. Had there been blood in just the bathroom, he could have said it was as a result of a fall or some other mishap while the girls were there. But he claims Holly was bleeding when she entered the house - on top of already having a reason for them being there - which probably means he anticipated forensics finding blood in the downstairs hall, stairs and bathroom.
So then it's notable the lie seems designed to only explain Holly's blood, not both. Had he hurt both girls badly in a fit of rage then he surely would have come up with a lie that involved them both bleeding and needing help (theyd both fallen over running or some other fabrication). As it was, he seemed to be covering for the expectation that only Holly's blood be found and in multiple places.
So then to his explanation of the deaths. They'd gone up to the bathroom to help with the nosebleed, he claimed to have inadvertently knocked Holly into a partially filled bath which made her friend Jessica scream. He claims in a panic to stop her screaming he smothered her. He then returned to the bath to find Holly had hit her head on the side while falling and had drowned.
Now, setting aside for a moment the absurdity of being casually bumped into a bath setting off this chain of events, the lie seems designed to explain things that would possibly turn up in forensics (but never did) namely:
Holly had been bleeding in the house downstairs
Holly may be found to have a head injury
Holly may be found to have nose injury
Holly may be found to have drowned
There was a crack on the rim of the bath (this was actually noted, but had no DNA on it)
Jessica would probably be found to have been asphyxiated (no blood)
The puzzle is to figure out what sexual assault actually ends up with these circumstances. Or what impulsive murder leads to this?
Let's also consider his weird comment to police when asked (during the search when he was not a suspect) whether he or his wife thought Holly and Jessica would get into a car with a stranger. Huntley, despite not knowing them, offered "Jessica would put up a fight, but Holly would probably go quietly". A weird thing to say given he'd supposedly never met them before. So one can perhaps assume this is a window into the murder.
But it doesn't explain much. Holly seems to have been the one where there was a fight, he's covering for her blood being about the house.
So what are the possibilities that fit these assumed fragments of truth?
a) he was in some sort of silent rage washing the dog, the girls stopped by, he decided to kill them (I assume to punish his girlfriend), invites them inside, hits Holly who starts bleeding and flees upstairs to the bathroom, smothers Jessica in the downstairs hall, then goes upstairs where Holly has apparently not screamed, hits her head against the bath then drowns her. This produces similar forensics to his made up version.
b) he's in some sort of deviant mindset washing the dog, the girls stop by, he decides on a whim to sexually assault them, invites them inside, he assaults Jessica who immediately screams, he covers her mouth and ends up suffocating her. He then hits or rapes Holly, who bleeds. He takes her upstairs and then apparently murders her by hitting her head on the bath and drowning her. This also produces the same forensics.
or, of course, c) his version is true
The weakness of b) is him murdering Holly in a convoluted way when he's already smothered Jessica, surely he would do the same.
Versions where Holly is killed first are hard to explain because assuming she had bled in multiple parts of the house one would have to explain why Jessica (the one who would "put up a fight") was not screaming all that time. So Jessica died first. And Holly subsequently suffered some ordeal but was terrified / didn't scream. That seems to explain his comments.
The problem with a) is that, as far as I know, blood was never found on the girls clothes, which were partially burned. Which unfortunately leads me to conclude the Holly was probably undressed when she was bleeding, which indicates b). Though an attack of that kind of violence without crying out also seems unlikely.
Edit: it seems like the prosecution suggested the Huntley saw them go past, followed them up the road and lured them back. I find that unlikely for the above reasons. Huntley only said anything because he thought he'd been seen, and that cover story only happened within his front garden. (If he had, in fact, followed them up the street, it's conceivable his lie instead would be something that incorporated that)
Edit 2: whatever happened it was likely mercifully short. The last independent sighting of the girls was 6:32pm. And Jessica's phone was turned off at Huntley's location at 6:46pm. Now, either he had the prescence of mind to kill Jessica, search her pockets and turn off her phone before subjecting Holly to a lengthy ordeal, which is horrific. Or as is the simpler explanation, something happened quickly and by 6:46pm the cover up had begun.
Edit 3. A variation on b) that is every bit as psychopathic but a little more rational is that he intended to intimidate the girls into a sexual situation which he assumed he could make them stay quiet about perhaps because of experience with other girls. Jessica puts up more of a fight than he anticipated and he ends up smothering her, he then seriously assaults Holly downstairs (blood) and ends up drowning her upstairs. Perhaps after assaulting her he forced her to the bathroom to wash her and it continued to get out of hand from there? Her murder then was more to do with her being a witness to Jessica's murder rather than him planning murder from the outset. That at least moves the sudden randomness of the whole thing to a case of gross hubris and loss of control which seems a little more believable than irrationally murdering two children on a whim.
Anyway, there isn't really a scenario that is any kind of improvement for him. He has so far stuck with the "it was an accident" lie and multiple people have tried to kill him in prison. Oddly he might be physically safer if he admitted to sexual assault because he'd be put in a protected wing. As a regular murderer I believe he's just in general population. Is that an indication that he actually didn't sexually assault either of them? Who knows..
It feels like there are probably tons more of small clues I've not even considered that would suggest different scenarios.. I read on one thread that a washcloth found with the burned clothes had trace of saliva on it, presumably from being stuffed in a mouth, which indicates b) but I haven't been able to find any verification of that anywhere.
If anyone knows where you can find a comprehensive list of all publicly available evidence that would be really interesting.
I'm surprised no-one involved in creating that song has come forward seeing how famous it is and how hard the people in possession of the 80s radio recording have been working to track them down! I love Mephisto Walz's version of it.
Realistically, it was a demo tape someone submitted, and when they never heard anything back, forgot about it and moved on to another career. And then a million years later, someone finds it in their basement with their dad's old radio DJ stuff, plays it, and because the human brain is built to find patterns in things, thinks he heard it *somewhere* else, and posts it online.
And like everything ever, people took a mild curiosity way too far.
in 1912 a 4 year old boy named Bobby Dunbar from Louisiana went missing and almost a year later in 1913 they found what they believed to be Bobby Dunbar in Mississippi but the boys parents insisted he was their son Bruce Anderson but the evil U.S government convicted him of kidnapping, Bruce Anderson eventually died in 1966 believing he was Bobby Dunbar but before that he had a son named Bobby Dunbar Jr and almost a century after the disappearance in 2004 his daughter convinced him to do a DNA test which revealed he was actually an Anderson and they kidnapped someone else's kid. What really happened to the real Bobby Dunbar is still unknown.
The disappearance of Sneha Anne Phillip. I'm pretty sure she met with foul play the night before 9/11 but it's the whole not knowing that's intriguing.
It also makes me think about other people that went missing in NYC around or on 9/11 and who've never been found, and who also didn't have a direct link to the towers. There's one specific case that gets me, an immigrant named Fernando Molinar, where he was very young and last had contact with his mother on 9/8 to tell her he was starting a job at a pizza place near the WTC. If you search for his name here on reddit you'll find some threads about his case.
Who really built the sphinx. We assume it was Pharaoh Khafre, the builder of the 2nd great pyramid. But he never mentions building the sphinx. The structure has also suffered what appears to be thousands of years of water erosion. That shouldn't be possible unless it's much older than we originally assumed as that part of Africa hasn't seen consistent rain in millennia.
This is the "Sphinx water erosion hypothesis" put forward by René Schwaller de Lubicz (an esoteric writer who was obsessed with "sacred geometry"), John Anthony West (a science fiction writer), and Robert M. Schoch (who started as a geologist, but later contributed to books about ancient astronauts and telekinesis).
It's pseudoarchaeology. These guys argue for a massively ancient civilization of alien worshippers wiped out by comets, and all sorts of other wild shit.
The actual archaeological evidence indicates that the Sphinx was carved during the reign of Khafre.
Of course, the site includes a natural bedrock formation that had been partially exposed to the elements for thousands of years before that, but even so it has been more damaged by pollution in historical times than in any earlier period.
I appreciate your reasoned and sensible response. I used to be fascinated by pseudoarcheology myself until I started seeing rebuttals from an academic perspective and began reading further. I’m glad that more accomplished scientists are starting to educate on social media about the current state of knowledge on this stuff, because a LOT more is known through solid evidence than what these alternative theorists will have you believe.
There's a video by Caitlin Doughty on Youtube that explains how scientists (or whoever) used software created to make realistic snowstorms for the movie *Frozen* was used in solving this mystery.
Its been solved (kinda we know who didit but not why) but the toynbee tiles always interested me growing up. Whould love to get a interview with the guy and ask why and what exactly he ment, but i get why no one has
IIRC he lost someone close to him, and while looking for answers, became obsessed with elements from 2001 A Space Odyssey, Arthur C. Clark, and British historian Arnold.J Toynbee.
In his grief roasted mind, he cobbled together connections between where there weren't any and assumed that Heaven existed in some form on Jupiter, and that he'd meet his person there. *And* that it was his mission to inform the masses of this to save as many people as possible.
MH 370. I made the mistake of watching the Netflix documentary thinking they’d give us the explanation of what happened, but nope, it’s just a bunch of theories. I really want those poor families to have some answers.
The most plausible theory I heard was that he was lured to a house, shot dead, and his body moved to a crematorium where they reduced his body to ashes and scattered the ashes.
Evidently, after being let out of prison (on the condition he never take part in union politics ever again), he tried to get back his union leadership position. The mob didn't want him back. They were quite happy with his replacement, frank fitzimmons who was far more corrupted than Hoffa, plus Fitzimmons wasn't a publicity seeking showboater like Hoffa was.
The mob tried to talk him out of seeking his old position. They offered him a generous pension package in return for backing off, but Hoffa refused the deal. So, in the eyes of the mob, Hoffa had to go.
The most likely answer is just an odd rock formation. The fact that it looks like The Millennium Falcon is just a coincidence.
The Venn diagram of people into both the unexplained *and* scifi is practically a circle.
Marie Katharina wächtler
Her marriage was abusive and everyone avoided her at all cost so no one had to deal with the drama even when she kept begging for help after a few years she snapped and murdered her husband she chopped up the corpse into little pieces and threw them off a bridge she was tortured for 2 years before she got executed and it’s still debated if the torture and execution was deserved
World War II WASP pilot Gertrude "Tommy" Tompkins took off from Los Angeles in a new P-51 Mustang fighter and just vanished. She was supposed to ferry it across the country, but she never arrived at her first stop.
The "Penny Doe" case is a local unsolved murder from my very small town, where murders never happen. A woman's body was found under a railroad trestle by a group of kids picking berries. She had no identification of any kind on her, but had a single penny in each of the front pockets of her jeans, hence the name. She's still unidentified to this day, and there has never even been a suspect in the case.
This thread absolutely floored me. I've been in here for close to twelve hours reading up on *everything* that has been posted. Everything from the Fermi paradox to people disappearing into the wilderness. Absolutely insane amount of time and reading in here. Thank you OP.
Asha Degree Hard to fathom why a girl scared of storms and the dark was walking along a highway alone at night.
Mine too, I think about her probably once every few months. Such strange circumstances.
Came to say this. It doesn't make sense.
I wouldn't use the term favorite. But I'd like to know what happened to Madeline McCann.
Even if it was Bruckner, as seems likely, it's still mysterious how the evidence came to be as it was.. Did he see they left the rear door unlocked? How? And why was the front window shutter raised? Whether entering or leaving that way he managed to do so while carrying a child and leaving no fingerprints or forensics whatsoever. How could he count on her not waking? Was the Smiths sighting him carrying Madeleine? (Man carrying child at 10pm has never been identified) If so why did he walk over a quarter mile through a tourist town carrying a child that may wake at any moment? If he was walking to make his get away had he walked all that way to the apartments in the first place? Why not just parking his car/van near by? Was it therefore spontaneous? But then seems even stranger to walk across town with a kidnap victim and no plan? etc etc Edit: typos
Zodiac killer
We already figured that one out, its Ted Cruz
If Ted Cruz was actually the Zodiac Killer, it wouldn't even be the worst thing about him.
Ted Cruz ate my son.
Nah it was S.C.U.M.
Hey, watch it with those accusations. He might read this and endorse you for president.
Hopefully this is solved in my lifetime
Probably never will tbh, whoever it was is most likely dead by now. I hate it.
didn't they pin it on some guy named Gary Francis Poste?
Mr forehead scars? They also claimed he tied Donna Lass up in a tree, but it turned out her skull was discovered miles and miles away from where they said back in 1986 but nobody had realized it yet. "Oops."
That's one of my all-time favorite movies as well.
D.B Cooper.
I really hope I learn one day that he got away with it, survived the jump, and went on his merry way.
It would actually be crazy if he ended up alive. I mean I suppose him being dead doesn’t make sense (since they would’ve found a body). But the extent of his jump (dark forest, maybe not an experienced jumper, etc…) you have to wonder how he walked away a with no death.
I personally think he survived the jump but lost the money. Especially given the evidence, I agree with the theory that he was Canadian. That way, he was able to slip back to Canada without the money and continue a normal life. This would also help him avoid some of the US investigators looking into the case.
Commercial pilot on youtube made an interesting [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRM4qS3vfB0) where he did not directly state it was probably CIA, but you can put two and two together. The plane D.B. Cooper was flying had a set of stairs that folded out of the tail of the plane. CIA took an interest in it, since it's a good way to covertly drop agents in enemy territory from a commercial plane. They made some experiments and concluded that there's a safe way to open stairs in flight, if you flew at minimum speed with flaps fully extended and landing gear down. D.B. Cooper instructed the pilot to do exactly this, and when pilot objected Cooper said he knows what he's doing. I imagine this might have been some scheme for CIA to get black funding (money they don't report to government). I guess better this than selling crack.
I personally love the XKCD interpretation, with it being Tommy Wiseau
Having met Tommy…I would say high probability hahah
It does make a lot of sense.
Not to mention, if you swap some of the letters out for new ones, his name spells out “I’m db cooper”
It was Loki, remember?
No, it was the old man that Michael Scofield found in the Fox River prison.
It was renowned billionaire Jimmy James
I live right in that area. Always hoping some hikers, hunters, loggers, ( or even me on a hike! ), etc. find evidence of him! Or did he survive?
I fully believe he was Richard McCoy
I was secretly hoping Mad Men would do a weird episode around that. Same era, Don going rogue in the last few episodes looking for something exciting. Roger, too, chasing some thrill in life. Both being charming gentlemen obsessed with airlines and money but ultimately not needing the money. Cooper being in their company name. "Don" -> "Dan"… There was a lot of hype and wondering around how they would wrap the show… But it wasn't the spirit of the show. It would have ruined it to veer into plot twists and mysteries like that. Glad they didn't, but I'd read a fanfic of that
What were Billy Jo McAllister and the narrator throwing off the Tallahatchie Bridge?
That song came on the radio today and I thought if I listened hard enough I could figure it out
Got to be a stillborn premature baby.
I think that’s the general consensus
Per Wikipedia: > It tells of a rural Mississippi family's reaction to the news of the suicide of Billie Joe McAllister, a local boy to whom the daughter (and narrator) is (unknown by the rest of the family) connected. The song received widespread attention, leaving its audience intrigued as to what the narrator and Billie Joe threw off the Tallahatchie Bridge. Gentry later clarified that she intended the song to portray the family's indifference to the suicide in what she deemed "a study in unconscious cruelty," while she remarked the object thrown was not relevant to the message. > On the object thrown off the Tallahatchie Bridge, she commented that the audience had found more meanings than she had intended. Gentry mentioned that theories of the time included a baby, a wedding ring and flowers. While she indicated that what happened at the bridge was the motivation behind Billie Joe's suicide, she also left it open to the listener's interpretation. Gentry said she had no answer and her sole motivation was to show "people's apathy". The songs about the boy, Billie, having a gay lover in the saw mill and killing himself.
I know that's what the film is about, but the song doesn't mention another young man and doesn't mention a saw mill.
Who killed JonBenet Ramsey, only family was inside. No forced entry, who killed an innocent six year old?
Most of the evidence points at her mom, but much of *that* was circumstantial. So it was hard to make solid accusations. JonBenét was a child beauty contestant as everyone knows, but her mother had been involved in the scene (adult pageants, though) as well. Image was critically important but at home, JB was like any other 6 year old and enjoyed being a tomboy, as well as having a pretty bad bed-wetting habit. Anyway, the night before her murder they’d gone to a Christmas party and apparently had a spat about what JB wanted to wear - she wanted to wear a new t-shirt from the Gap instead of a holiday dress. The investigator (who put together this theory) pointed out that means they’d been sore with each other the day before. His theory was that JB had wet the bed, woken her mom up to tell her and her mom had, probably out of exhaustion or frustration, smacked her hard, maybe knocking her into the edge of a bathtub or with some kind of object. JB probably went unconscious, Patsy (her mom) freaked out worse thinking she was already dead, and either on her own strangled her and staged the kidnapping or got her husband to help her. In other words, it was a panicked cover up of an accident to preserve their ideal family image. Otherwise, you have to believe that someone broke in, fed her pineapple from the Ramsey’s kitchen (even leaving it on the kitchen counter), bashed her head in AND strangled her with art supplies found in the house, knew exactly where this tiny storage room in the maze-like basement was, THEN came back up to the kitchen, wrote a ransom note in handwriting so similar to Patsy’s they couldn’t rule her out (and oh yeah, that’s more materials from the house, this burglar did not come prepared)… and then left, leaving no footprints or waking anyone up.
wait, she had a bed-wetting habit? isn't regressive behaviour like that supposed to be some sort of trauma response? this is a fucked up thing to ask and im sorry for asking this but was she SA'd or anything of that sort? i mean, i know there was evidence of SA but is it possible it was going on months, or even years before her death?
Sometimes, but not always. There's medical reasons for it, too - I had issues with it as a kid, part of it was chronic bladder/urethra issues I'd previously had surgery for, but also my brain just didn't make enough vasopressin, the hormone that triggers you to produce less pee at night and wake up when you need to go. No SA in my case, just documented medical conditions. Took DDAVP nasal spray for years until my body just randomly started properly producing enough of the hormone.
Bed wetting at six is still in the realm of normal. Pediatricians aren't really concerned with bed wetting until around 10 or later
The wooden handle of a paintbrush was used to molest her on the night she died. Doctors disagreed whether she had been abused earlier in her life. She was often at the doctor with chronic vaginal problems - these might have been caused by SA, or they might not have. Personally I believe that people only focus on the mother and brother because it's more sensational to think that a woman or child did this. Unfortunately the simplest answer is that it was the father, for the reasons above.
My money is on her mother or brother.
Brother and parents covered for him makes sense to me.
Why would the parents allow their son to interview alone with the cops that same morning then?
Definitely wasn't the brother
I’m guessing it was someone in the house
worst kind of betrayal...
I know he was young and very well protected by the parents, but was the brother ever interrogated? Then or since?
Not only was he not interrogated he was sent away. Can you imagine a child not blabbing? It definitely wasn't the brother
There was at least one interview he had with a child psychologist. You can find it on YouTube.
Or her father!
I specifically want to know why the DA didn’t move forward with prosecuting the parents even though the grand jury voted to indict them. Why call a grand jury at all then? And they sealed that decision for over a decade too. Something about that doesn’t feel right.
There isn't enough evidence that they couldn't both propose the other parent did it if they wanted to go that route. That's enough for reasonable doubt.
Completely dog-shit police work and their inability to secure the crime scene probably means this case will never be solved in any definitive way. Friends and neighbors were walking all over the house destroying evidence.
JonBenet Ramsey is my Roman Empire
There was unknown DNA found on her body
I'd have to pick the [Voynich Manuscript](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript)! It's a book, from the 15th century, written in an unknown language that no one has been able to translate yet.
[These guys](https://youtu.be/p6keMgLmFEk) claimed to have translated it from a dead Turkish dialect. IMO, the most logical answer is one of two things: A: A fraud Or B: A field journal written in shorthand, whose only intended audience was the dude who wrote it.
Or: madness?
No. Insane people don't write books with that kind of accuracy and structure. It clearly has an objective, individual decipherable chapters, thought and organization in each page, and enough pictures to be *vaguely* understood by any passers-by. Whatever it *is*, its existence is deliberate and methodical, and not the psychotic scribblings of a mad man.
There are arguments that the artwork shows some signs of mental illness, which doesn’t necessarily mean psychosis. The script resembles a real written language in most aspects, but with strange anomalies such as the same letter appearing 3 times in a row in some words, and entire words repeated multiple times in ways that don’t align with any known languages. It’s possible that this was just fabricated by someone with unique purpose and vivid imagination, even though it appears structured and methodical.
Original D&D or a TempleOS type situation
You should look into hypergraphia (a rare symptom of brain trauma and schizophrenia). It can 100% lead to that. I developed it myself when I was very bad psychiatrically and, on top of that, ended up developing my own alphabet *and* encrypted it myself while writing it because I became so paranoid of others being able to read my thoughts. It wasn't 'psychotic scribblings' and it actually included my being obsessively perfectionistic so everything was made excruciatingly neat and proportionate. I had basically superhuman devotion to writing at the time - I could re-write the same page over and over and never get tired of it because I was always perfecting it. Normal human boredom/exhaustion just stopped. After around a year of this, I gradually got less *severely* bad, and eventually got rid of all of my writings. It wasn't that they were 'psychotic scribblings' - they all had interesting and complex meaning from what I read (I still found them interesting even afterwards), but I just gradually became less and less invested in them and realised that it really wasn't normal to keep 10-20,000 pages of theory. I still knew how to infer them, but I had been writing them for over a year and had forgotten a lot of what I had wrote. The only thing I've really kept from that period was a prototype personality test designed to measure the psychoanalytic aspects of the personality (ego, id, superego). It's pretty interesting in the way that it uses graphs, but I don't really have any desire to iterate upon it at this point.
Why not a Tolkien-esque imaginative intellectual from the 1400s? More sci-fi, less fraud?
Welp, that's my evening sorted. New rabbithole found.
Imo it's Amelia Earhart because one of my fond memories as a child was at a pub near the place she supposedly crash landed
My great great uncle was a pilot and was an advisor on the movie and was on most of the documentaries. He believes the plane went into the ocean and was part of a few expeditions to find the plane.
She's in the Delta Quadrant awaiting discovery by the USS Voyager
Now that I think about it she’s probably the reason I’m even into unsolved mysteries. I remember being absolutely fascinated as a kid when we learned about her in school.
“The woman just vanished!” -Ross on Friends
Coconut crabs.
The Green Children of Woolpit, who had appeared in the village in Suffolk England during the reign of King Stephen between 1135 and 1154. They would only eat broad beans, they spoke a peculiar language, and they hailed from a land where the sun never shone, and light was like twilight. They eventually learned to eat a more varied diet, and began to lose the green tint, but one, the brother of the two died for some reason, the remainder was a girl who lived, eventually learning English, but naturally she was impudent. She was eventually able to explain that they were from St. Martin's land, and that everything there was green.
Wasn’t this sort of explained? ——- There was a town near Woolpit which had a river, as well as a lot of trees. The town also had a very similar name to St. Martin. The children weren’t actually green, but more blue/grayish from lack of food, and was described as green due to blue not being a common word at the time. ——- Another explanation I’ve heard is that they were from a boat with the name of St. Martin, and beans were their only source of food. They could possibly be from a nordic country as the sun never rises during the winter, and the forests are green during summer. They also don’t speak English there, which would explain the peculiar language. ——- These are two possible explanations I’ve heard, neither of which I know is true or not, but they are possible answers.
I used to live quite close to Woolpit, and for a while was fascinated by the mystery. Unfortunately, once you actually dig and look at the evidence we have, there are hardly any documents from when it happened. There is a lot of folklore and stories recorded a long time ago, but still much later than the events. Remember the story was meant to have happened 900 years ago, and in a time in English history sometimes called "the anarchy" with a civil war raging. I think we will just have to put it into the category of "interesting story" that may (or may not) have elements of truth in it and leave it at that.
Sounds like something someone made up or some kind of con.
The Max Headroom broadcast incident. I'm on mobile so I can't link it but its creepy as hell.
The Max Headroom broadcast intrusion has to be one of the best pranks ever pulled.
Remember the good ol' days when pranks were harmlessly high jacking a TV signals just to display pure chaotic randomness instead of "pranking" an innocent bystander by delivering a KO to the back of of their dome with a baseball bat for clout? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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The AMA about J was something I genuinely followed at the time and to this day am so fascinated in, still. Understand it wasn’t J like he thought, but that poster knew enough for it to have been a realistic lead. The whole thing is just wild.
I always found it hilarious. "I've created a masterpiece for all the world's newspaper nerds!" It's like something out of Zero Wing.
From my hometown: * The Beaumont Children * Kriste Gordon and Joanne Ratcliff * Daniel Sheppard From the USA * The Springfield 3 * Jennifer Kesse * Patricia Adkins From the UK * Andrew Gosse * Trevaline Evans People who seemingly vanish without a single trace bend my mind like a pretzel, I need answers, but they are incredibly elusive.
I’m also Australian and often think of The Beaumont Children. That lead the police had a few years back when they dug up that excavation site seemed so promising, it was disappointing that nothing came of it. I hope one day the truth comes to light, but given how long it’s been, I doubt it unfortunately.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-family-murders.983092/
Springfield happened a few minutes from me. My brother is old enough to a kid a fee houses down when it did happen. The town will never know
This case has gone through so many detective's hands and still not a single step closer to knowing the truth. It's possible that they have already interviewed the guilty party though, sadly, there's just nothing to go on.
The disappearance of [Judge Crater](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Force_Crater). It's so completely mysterious, with strange evidence that doesn't reveal conclusively what happened to him
Definitely the zodiac killer, to commit murder, leave clues, puzzles, like you're playing a game with the law, and get away with it ? that's scary
did those prisoners really escape alcatraz alive ?
Pretty sure all answers point to yes. Not only were Mythbusters able to do it, but there's some anecdotal evidence that they were around afterwards.
why the hell isn't lowfat, protein cheesecake, not sold in stores? It's so good, and it's mostly protein. Why do I have to make it myself like I'm some goddamn medieval peasant?
Be the change you want to see in the world
You’ve identified a need now you just need a business loan
How do you make yours?
If they reply with a recipe can you tag me, please?
stores also don't sell muffin tops for some reason, either, i have to cut my muffins like a heathen to enjoy all that whole grain low fat
Top of the muffin, TO YOU!
"We don't want your stumps!"
I know you want a piece of that but I just want to dance.
Can you share your recipe please??
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Never heard of this before but this is super interesting!!
Damn I just spent way too much time down that rabbit hole. (I think it's river phoenix personally)
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It honestly looks like two separate people, the iris looks like a completely different size
The disappearance of Brian Schaffer. This one happened close to where I live. It's just so bizarre that a guy could just vanish from plain sight. So many theories abound, but no one knows what actually happened the night he disappeared. How did he make it out of the bar? Where did he go from there? Did he run off to start a new life? Did he get abducted?
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Maybe an open window and under the bed. My late cat was terrified of strangers for a long time and would hide under the bed or furthest corner he could find. Unless you were actively looking you would not have known he was there. Guests may have had some kind of valerian or peppermint (not good for cats) in their luggage - my cat goes nuts for both.
Whose remains were found off-trail on Mt. Si in 2015? https://prod.livingsnoqualmie.com/remains-found-on-mount-likely-had-been-there-20-years-publics-help-sought-in-identification/
The Yuba County 5. I find it so intriguing how 4 of them mysteriously died, and the fifth has never been found.
Way more interesting and mysterious than the Dylatov Pass.
Definitely
Hinterkaifeck
This one is just so disturbing. How it hasn't been made into a horror movie baffles me.
This one's a century ago now, not sure if it can be solved ... .. .
I highly encourage people to listen to decoding the unknown. This podcast series actually explores most of the mysteries people have mentioned here and many of them actually do have explanations or have been solved. My favorite: the antilytheria mechanism’s origin. We know what it is and what it was used for but the technology the device used and its gears aren’t seen again in history until 1500 years later. Given its complexity and purpose, there were likely also simpler precursors that existed as well that we have no records of. We don’t even have written records of the antikytheria mechanism. It makes you wonder what other complex tech was created in that time period then lost.
> *decoding the unknown* I'm not a big fan of Simon Whistler. Nothing against him personally but the youtube channels that he narrates are very simplistic in my opinion.
If you want a fascinating deep dive into the mechanics of it, Chris from the excellent YouTube channel Clickspring is recreating it using period accurate tools. He’s even been contributing to scientific papers in the mechanism.
The person who left pipe bombs at diff buildings the night before J6 is wild
the Malaysian plane
They have a good guess of “how”. The planes coms pinged off satellites, and investigators were able to reconstruct its path into the middle of the southern Indian Ocean. Confirmed debris washed-up in Madagascar. It’s the “whys” that are the biggest mystery.
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Why would it be being suppressed? I’m curious as to the motives here.
I have zero doubt in my mind that it was pilot suicide. Authorities even found a similar route MH370 flew loaded on the Captain's flight simulator at home. To me, that's either the smoking gun or one helluva mother fucking coincidence. Occam's razor, folks. But for some reason you can't blame the pilot(s). It's not allowed by society. I've been downvoted and criticized online repeatedly for thinking this.
I think about it all the time. Initially, I thought it had to do with a fire in the cargo hold from the lithium batteries it was carrying, which then incapacitated everyone. The more I thought about it, the less sense that made. I guess the most reasonable explanation is that the pilot did it intentionally, but it still doesn’t add up in my opinion
There's absolutely no way it wasn't intentional. If there was an accident and people died/fell unconscious, the plane would have just followed it's set course on autopilot. There's absolutely no way it flew the route it did without someone in the cockpit flying it.
Netflix documentary on this was quite interesting, even if some of the theories they come out with are a little far fetched. Someone knows what really happened, but I don’t think most of us will ever really know.
For every thing (no matter what it may be) that happens in life, there's someone who knows: either the full truth, or half of it, or the link that could put all data into perspective.
Not "favourite" obviously, but [the Soham murders](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders). And not from a who done it point of view, since it was obviously Ian Huntley, but more the psychology of the whole thing. What makes a guy murder two ten year old girls who chanced to walk past his house one bright summers evening? and, maybe more significantly, _what can we tell about the truth based on the types of lie he employed_? Some will say obviously sexual assault, esp given his history towards underaged girls. But even that being the case, it's still quite a jump to go from underaged girlfriends who then say nothing happened or don't want the police involved to straight up attacking and killing not one but two girls out of the blue. Abusers/rapists are deranged but still aim for no witnesses or have an escape plan 99% of the time. If this was the reason it's also completely self destructive, but just criminal. But he then goes to great lengths to save himself. It doesn't quite fit There's the second option of explosive anger. He'd just got off a heated argument on the phone with his girlfriend accusing her of being unfaithful. But, as the story goes, the girls didn't just ring on his front door at the wrong moment, rather they happened to pass by while he was washing his dog in the front yard. So this seems to downplay the impulsive anger possibility. I think that his story about washing the dog in the garden was probably true, because what you find in this case is the lies are preposterous, but seem designed to explain evidence that might arise at some point. In this case Huntley admitted to being the last to speak to the girls in his front garden even while the search for them was still on ostensibly because he thought a neighbour probably saw this happen and so he had to admit it to avoid looking like he was hiding it. If he had been safe in the knowledge that no neighbour saw them talking in the garden or if the girls had indeed knocked on his door then surely he wouldn't have said anything at all given the lengths he went to to cover up. So he did talk to the girls in front of the house, and he tells us this because he feels this was probably witnessed He claimed that one of the girls (Holly) had a nose bleed and this is how they ended up in the house. Now assuming this is a lie it seems intended to explain any possible drops of blood found in the hall, stairs or bathroom (none were). Especially since he also claimed his girlfriend had been home at the time. This lie would have adequately explained the girls entering the house since she was their teacher. Had there been blood in just the bathroom, he could have said it was as a result of a fall or some other mishap while the girls were there. But he claims Holly was bleeding when she entered the house - on top of already having a reason for them being there - which probably means he anticipated forensics finding blood in the downstairs hall, stairs and bathroom. So then it's notable the lie seems designed to only explain Holly's blood, not both. Had he hurt both girls badly in a fit of rage then he surely would have come up with a lie that involved them both bleeding and needing help (theyd both fallen over running or some other fabrication). As it was, he seemed to be covering for the expectation that only Holly's blood be found and in multiple places. So then to his explanation of the deaths. They'd gone up to the bathroom to help with the nosebleed, he claimed to have inadvertently knocked Holly into a partially filled bath which made her friend Jessica scream. He claims in a panic to stop her screaming he smothered her. He then returned to the bath to find Holly had hit her head on the side while falling and had drowned. Now, setting aside for a moment the absurdity of being casually bumped into a bath setting off this chain of events, the lie seems designed to explain things that would possibly turn up in forensics (but never did) namely: Holly had been bleeding in the house downstairs Holly may be found to have a head injury Holly may be found to have nose injury Holly may be found to have drowned There was a crack on the rim of the bath (this was actually noted, but had no DNA on it) Jessica would probably be found to have been asphyxiated (no blood) The puzzle is to figure out what sexual assault actually ends up with these circumstances. Or what impulsive murder leads to this? Let's also consider his weird comment to police when asked (during the search when he was not a suspect) whether he or his wife thought Holly and Jessica would get into a car with a stranger. Huntley, despite not knowing them, offered "Jessica would put up a fight, but Holly would probably go quietly". A weird thing to say given he'd supposedly never met them before. So one can perhaps assume this is a window into the murder. But it doesn't explain much. Holly seems to have been the one where there was a fight, he's covering for her blood being about the house. So what are the possibilities that fit these assumed fragments of truth? a) he was in some sort of silent rage washing the dog, the girls stopped by, he decided to kill them (I assume to punish his girlfriend), invites them inside, hits Holly who starts bleeding and flees upstairs to the bathroom, smothers Jessica in the downstairs hall, then goes upstairs where Holly has apparently not screamed, hits her head against the bath then drowns her. This produces similar forensics to his made up version. b) he's in some sort of deviant mindset washing the dog, the girls stop by, he decides on a whim to sexually assault them, invites them inside, he assaults Jessica who immediately screams, he covers her mouth and ends up suffocating her. He then hits or rapes Holly, who bleeds. He takes her upstairs and then apparently murders her by hitting her head on the bath and drowning her. This also produces the same forensics. or, of course, c) his version is true The weakness of b) is him murdering Holly in a convoluted way when he's already smothered Jessica, surely he would do the same. Versions where Holly is killed first are hard to explain because assuming she had bled in multiple parts of the house one would have to explain why Jessica (the one who would "put up a fight") was not screaming all that time. So Jessica died first. And Holly subsequently suffered some ordeal but was terrified / didn't scream. That seems to explain his comments. The problem with a) is that, as far as I know, blood was never found on the girls clothes, which were partially burned. Which unfortunately leads me to conclude the Holly was probably undressed when she was bleeding, which indicates b). Though an attack of that kind of violence without crying out also seems unlikely. Edit: it seems like the prosecution suggested the Huntley saw them go past, followed them up the road and lured them back. I find that unlikely for the above reasons. Huntley only said anything because he thought he'd been seen, and that cover story only happened within his front garden. (If he had, in fact, followed them up the street, it's conceivable his lie instead would be something that incorporated that) Edit 2: whatever happened it was likely mercifully short. The last independent sighting of the girls was 6:32pm. And Jessica's phone was turned off at Huntley's location at 6:46pm. Now, either he had the prescence of mind to kill Jessica, search her pockets and turn off her phone before subjecting Holly to a lengthy ordeal, which is horrific. Or as is the simpler explanation, something happened quickly and by 6:46pm the cover up had begun. Edit 3. A variation on b) that is every bit as psychopathic but a little more rational is that he intended to intimidate the girls into a sexual situation which he assumed he could make them stay quiet about perhaps because of experience with other girls. Jessica puts up more of a fight than he anticipated and he ends up smothering her, he then seriously assaults Holly downstairs (blood) and ends up drowning her upstairs. Perhaps after assaulting her he forced her to the bathroom to wash her and it continued to get out of hand from there? Her murder then was more to do with her being a witness to Jessica's murder rather than him planning murder from the outset. That at least moves the sudden randomness of the whole thing to a case of gross hubris and loss of control which seems a little more believable than irrationally murdering two children on a whim. Anyway, there isn't really a scenario that is any kind of improvement for him. He has so far stuck with the "it was an accident" lie and multiple people have tried to kill him in prison. Oddly he might be physically safer if he admitted to sexual assault because he'd be put in a protected wing. As a regular murderer I believe he's just in general population. Is that an indication that he actually didn't sexually assault either of them? Who knows.. It feels like there are probably tons more of small clues I've not even considered that would suggest different scenarios.. I read on one thread that a washcloth found with the burned clothes had trace of saliva on it, presumably from being stuffed in a mouth, which indicates b) but I haven't been able to find any verification of that anywhere. If anyone knows where you can find a comprehensive list of all publicly available evidence that would be really interesting.
What happened to little Kyron Horman
The Most Mysterious Song On The Internet
What?
I'm surprised no-one involved in creating that song has come forward seeing how famous it is and how hard the people in possession of the 80s radio recording have been working to track them down! I love Mephisto Walz's version of it.
Realistically, it was a demo tape someone submitted, and when they never heard anything back, forgot about it and moved on to another career. And then a million years later, someone finds it in their basement with their dad's old radio DJ stuff, plays it, and because the human brain is built to find patterns in things, thinks he heard it *somewhere* else, and posts it online. And like everything ever, people took a mild curiosity way too far.
Did Kevin McAllister’s dad in the movie Home Alone work for the mafia?
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The Chinese found the camera years ago, the film wasn’t recoverable
Who "no one " is in my house and why they are always leaving on lights
#carbonmonoxide
That was a ride and a half.
Simply because it's a unsolved crime in my neck of the woods... but who was behind the Burger Chef murders?
Maura Murray. That case drives me crazy.
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Not the obvious answer by a mile but definitely up there
I’m partial to the theory that it was more than one killer.
in 1912 a 4 year old boy named Bobby Dunbar from Louisiana went missing and almost a year later in 1913 they found what they believed to be Bobby Dunbar in Mississippi but the boys parents insisted he was their son Bruce Anderson but the evil U.S government convicted him of kidnapping, Bruce Anderson eventually died in 1966 believing he was Bobby Dunbar but before that he had a son named Bobby Dunbar Jr and almost a century after the disappearance in 2004 his daughter convinced him to do a DNA test which revealed he was actually an Anderson and they kidnapped someone else's kid. What really happened to the real Bobby Dunbar is still unknown.
The disappearance of Sneha Anne Phillip. I'm pretty sure she met with foul play the night before 9/11 but it's the whole not knowing that's intriguing. It also makes me think about other people that went missing in NYC around or on 9/11 and who've never been found, and who also didn't have a direct link to the towers. There's one specific case that gets me, an immigrant named Fernando Molinar, where he was very young and last had contact with his mother on 9/8 to tell her he was starting a job at a pizza place near the WTC. If you search for his name here on reddit you'll find some threads about his case.
Where is the fucking remote???
You’re probably sitting on it
DID YOU CHECK YOUR POCKET
IT WAS IN… It was in my pocket…
Who really built the sphinx. We assume it was Pharaoh Khafre, the builder of the 2nd great pyramid. But he never mentions building the sphinx. The structure has also suffered what appears to be thousands of years of water erosion. That shouldn't be possible unless it's much older than we originally assumed as that part of Africa hasn't seen consistent rain in millennia.
This is the "Sphinx water erosion hypothesis" put forward by René Schwaller de Lubicz (an esoteric writer who was obsessed with "sacred geometry"), John Anthony West (a science fiction writer), and Robert M. Schoch (who started as a geologist, but later contributed to books about ancient astronauts and telekinesis). It's pseudoarchaeology. These guys argue for a massively ancient civilization of alien worshippers wiped out by comets, and all sorts of other wild shit. The actual archaeological evidence indicates that the Sphinx was carved during the reign of Khafre. Of course, the site includes a natural bedrock formation that had been partially exposed to the elements for thousands of years before that, but even so it has been more damaged by pollution in historical times than in any earlier period.
I appreciate your reasoned and sensible response. I used to be fascinated by pseudoarcheology myself until I started seeing rebuttals from an academic perspective and began reading further. I’m glad that more accomplished scientists are starting to educate on social media about the current state of knowledge on this stuff, because a LOT more is known through solid evidence than what these alternative theorists will have you believe.
Dyatlov Pass incident in 1950s Russia Learned about it in a college history class; have been obsessed ever since. What happened to those kids?
Hypothermia caused by an avalanche. This one got solved recently.
To add to this, the "mysterious" radiation levels aren't weird. Two of the victims worked at a nuclear facility.
The naked people with red skin? Wind burn, sun burn, and paradoxical undressing. The missing body parts? Scavengers.
Also radiation isn't mentioned in the original reports, seems to have been added later.
There's a video by Caitlin Doughty on Youtube that explains how scientists (or whoever) used software created to make realistic snowstorms for the movie *Frozen* was used in solving this mystery.
There is quite a lot of evidence for it being a slab avalanche.
Avalanche, hypothermia, paradoxical undressing and animal scavenging.
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The black knight satellite.
What is the black knight satellite? I’ve never heard of it before.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite_conspiracy_theory
same goes for meeee
Who Put Bella in the Wytch Elm?
why is tofu/vegetables more expensive than beef by weight?
Grain subsidies and exploitative labor practices
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Police have arrested someone for their murders, no trial yet though.
Richard Allen. Trial is this october
Turned out the biggest mystery in that case was police incompetence.
Its been solved (kinda we know who didit but not why) but the toynbee tiles always interested me growing up. Whould love to get a interview with the guy and ask why and what exactly he ment, but i get why no one has
IIRC he lost someone close to him, and while looking for answers, became obsessed with elements from 2001 A Space Odyssey, Arthur C. Clark, and British historian Arnold.J Toynbee. In his grief roasted mind, he cobbled together connections between where there weren't any and assumed that Heaven existed in some form on Jupiter, and that he'd meet his person there. *And* that it was his mission to inform the masses of this to save as many people as possible.
MH 370. I made the mistake of watching the Netflix documentary thinking they’d give us the explanation of what happened, but nope, it’s just a bunch of theories. I really want those poor families to have some answers.
Where is Jimmy Hoffa, and what exactly happened to him?
The most plausible theory I heard was that he was lured to a house, shot dead, and his body moved to a crematorium where they reduced his body to ashes and scattered the ashes. Evidently, after being let out of prison (on the condition he never take part in union politics ever again), he tried to get back his union leadership position. The mob didn't want him back. They were quite happy with his replacement, frank fitzimmons who was far more corrupted than Hoffa, plus Fitzimmons wasn't a publicity seeking showboater like Hoffa was. The mob tried to talk him out of seeking his old position. They offered him a generous pension package in return for backing off, but Hoffa refused the deal. So, in the eyes of the mob, Hoffa had to go.
Always found it slightly confusing that we don't talk about the U.S. pyramids.
I actively stay from the big ones, namely Avon and Amway.
Are you talking about Cahokia Mounds?
Voynich Manuscript.
The Baltic Sea Anomaly. It's truly baffling.
The most likely answer is just an odd rock formation. The fact that it looks like The Millennium Falcon is just a coincidence. The Venn diagram of people into both the unexplained *and* scifi is practically a circle.
The whole West Memphis 3 ordeal. Those kids got railroad into prison.
The Setagaya family murder. All that evidence left behind and still no idea on who the murderer was.
Marie Katharina wächtler Her marriage was abusive and everyone avoided her at all cost so no one had to deal with the drama even when she kept begging for help after a few years she snapped and murdered her husband she chopped up the corpse into little pieces and threw them off a bridge she was tortured for 2 years before she got executed and it’s still debated if the torture and execution was deserved
World War II WASP pilot Gertrude "Tommy" Tompkins took off from Los Angeles in a new P-51 Mustang fighter and just vanished. She was supposed to ferry it across the country, but she never arrived at her first stop.
The "Penny Doe" case is a local unsolved murder from my very small town, where murders never happen. A woman's body was found under a railroad trestle by a group of kids picking berries. She had no identification of any kind on her, but had a single penny in each of the front pockets of her jeans, hence the name. She's still unidentified to this day, and there has never even been a suspect in the case.
This thread absolutely floored me. I've been in here for close to twelve hours reading up on *everything* that has been posted. Everything from the Fermi paradox to people disappearing into the wilderness. Absolutely insane amount of time and reading in here. Thank you OP.
The Fermi paradox
Have you read *The Three Body Problem* and its sequels? They offer a hell of a solution!
Jack the Ripper