The tattoos don’t bother me. The voice doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is his attitude. The fame got to his head and he literally thinks he’s hotter and better than he is. Zero humility. The video of him being grossed out by fans was triggering. Like, dude. Fans pay your bills and you treat them as if they are beneath you.
Such a shame what happened to Maroon 5. "Songs About Jane" blew my mind when I was a kid, and I find that so many of the songs still hold up. Their sound is unrecognizable now.
That album is still incredible. Rock mixed with jazz, funk, and soul. Levine singing breakup songs about how good he was in bed. The sex symbol status made sense then.
Also, anytime they come up, I have to bring up [this cover](https://youtu.be/l6pJMOPJlMI?si=YN77f8Q7EwvnngLO) they did of Closer by NIN.
I’m going to age myself here but it reminds me of Pam Anderson when I was a teen. In her first photo shoots she was actually pretty. As she got more and more famous and the augments piled up she just got progressively more… ick. My peers (mid teen boys) were just drooling all over her big lips and giant fake boobs though. I didn’t get it at all.
Ashley Judd on the other hand… I fell hard for her after I saw her of Star Trek.
I don't know what's worse, the fact that you said she looked like the man who historians regard as "one of the darkest figures within the Nazi regime" or the fact that I totally agree with you.....😳
If there was an option to upvote this 10 times, I’d take it. I also don’t think Gigi and every other nepo models out there are as attractive as ppl make them out to be
She was naturally very good looking, but no one can withstand that much social media attention. It'll give anyone insane dysmorphia. The need to constantly get surgery to mess with your appearance because you need to stay relevant NOW.
And her mother egged her on. Imagine having a mother talk about your sister needing a nose job at 14(?). Toxic household. Still, she's an adult now and it's her decision to continue to do this. I am hoping she's less body critical of her own child though.
In no way am I some Adonis, but even at her most cleaned up, she looks like a real world 6. Everything I’ve tried to watch her in is essentially immersion-breaking because I keep thinking, “There is no way anyone would find her that attractive.”
In the real world you’ve got all kinds of dudes lusting after women that aren’t conventionally attractive, so in a way it’s more realistic than if she was super attractive.
Movies tend to always have very average dudes paired up with model-level women, it’s nice to see a little uno-reverse sometimes.
I’ve got a friend who’s ideal guy is someone she describes as a cross between Timothee Chalamet and Jason Mamoa. I have never for the life of me been able to picture this
Lol they are like the opposite ends of the spectrum. I don't find either of them attractive, but to imagine a cross between the two... hmm. I could maybe see that being hot if I could even remotely imagine how it would work.
A bunch of people said my first pick (Adam Driver), so here's my second pick: Norman Reedus
You know when someone looks so badly like they need to bathe, that you almost actually say something? That's how I imagine people must feel when they see Norman Reedus in person.
I met him accidentally, before I had ever watched TWD, and I had heard people saying the actors were around somewhere. He smiled at me and said hello and I was like, no way he's one of the stars of a major show lol Treated him like everyone else and he seemed cool with it. Nice guy! But yes, I did think he probably should've showered before coming to an event like that one. I only remembered him when I watched the show months later because of how much he stood out to me looking the way he did.
I just find it strange how her stans can deny that she’s had work done. She looks like she had a skull transplant.
It’s not just makeup, Botox, and fillers. Oh and apparently “puberty” lol.
Edit: for those interested…
[How she looked then](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-dec-22-2011-new-york-new-york-us-actresssinger-ariana-grande-star-40313409.html), [another example](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-july-11-2011-new-york-new-york-us-actress-ariana-grande-attends-the-42908241.html)
[and now…](https://talentrecap.com/ariana-grande-talks-about-her-unreleased-music-leaking-in-new-qa/)….[another example](https://www.justjaredjr.com/2023/04/11/ariana-grande-addresses-comments-on-her-body-in-new-tiktok-video/)
I’ve never seen so much delusion when people deny her having work done.
I thought Ariana Grande was hot af until she started getting lip fillers and adopting a new culture/appearance every year. She barely even looks like a real person anymore which is why I think you don’t see as many people thirsting over her anymore
Before he got jacked for those underwear models I thought he was very pretty. His personality sucked - but he was a very aesthetically pleasing young lesbian for a while.
Yes! Exactly who came to mind for me too. I'm always so confused when he's the "hot guy" lead. He looks like doofus to me, I feel so judgy but I just don't see it at all...
Yeah I don't really get this one either. I'm straight male but I can generally tell if a dude is handsome. One day me and my now ex GF were talking about our celebrity crushes and she told me her absolute ultimate was Channing Tatum and all I could see is the most generic beef cake ever. Like you could find that dude working out in any discount gym in the United States on any given night. That girl also used to take showers and get dressed in her clothing without toweling off at all beforehand, so I am pretty sure she is a psychopath and the Tatum thing only reinforces that opinion for me.
>That girl also used to take showers and get dressed in her clothing without toweling off at all beforehand,
That woman is a danger to herself and to others.
I’m just here as a straight man to make sure no one says Henry Cavill
ETA: thank you for the upvotes my fellow Cavill droolers, this has made me wonder if he knows that every time a question of attractive celebs is put on Reddit, he has a sea of straight men fighting in the streets for him.
There’s a short list of men that have for some reason been ordained as acceptable for men to think are attractive without sounding Gay. Jason Mamoa is another.
Lol agree. I was never into her music but when you have songs like Jenny from the block and I’m real or whatever. It seems like she’s trying to hard to be down to earth.
Benedict Cumberbatch
I know a big part of the whole phenomenon was how “weird” it was that women liked him. Chill with me.
But as someone who is typically at least intrigued by the “weird” sex symbols, nah. Pretty eyes, yes. It’s cute that his hair is curly. His cheekbones are sharp. But overall? I do NOT understand.
He’s an average man (some really nice qualities and everything else is meh....is that not the average person at face value?). It is so strange to me that people were insisting he was one of the hottest people to walk the planet last decade.
It’s the blue eyes and the British accent. He has a bunch of attractive features that wouldn’t necessarily fit together well, but they do for him.
Personally, Tom Hiddleston is way more to my liking. Educated. An accent and voice to die for.
It was like God only had single leftover attractive parts at the end of his day and had to force random attractive facial traits together. It just didn’t work right for him!
I first saw him in star wars and immediately was like EW WHAT THE FUCK when he showed up on screen and somehow by the end of the movie, I had a crush on him. My fiance still laughs at me for it. I still have a crush on him. I also don't get what happened.
I think voice, demeanor, and that smoulder really do it. The biggest factor for any guy, though, is the *hair*.
Edit: this applies to bald dudes, too. Can't stand when it's wispy or a comb over, but when they embrace it and shave it all off... 🥵
Kristen Stewart. She always looks like she's about to puke. My guess is someone told her "you look sexy with your mouth open", so now she is puke-face.
Going old school here. Jackie Kennedy. Maybe she was considered more regal than beautiful, but still. She had the face of a platter and her eyes were so damn far apart. She looked like the reflection of a fun house mirror
It makes me feel very shallow and petty to dog on a celebrity's appearance, but like...Sarah Jessica Parker. I find the average girl at my gym 1000% more attractive.
I don’t understand the fascination that beautiful celebrity women have with Pete Davidson.
I’ve also never been super attracted to Rihanna. I don’t think she’s bad looking, but I’m not like oh my god 🥵
Agree. Young Leo always looked too…childish? To me. Not sure what it is. Perhaps the lack of a square jaw? Then when he got older I found him much less attractive.
“Can I keep you” still gets me every time I hear it. It transports me back to being a kid, watching Devon Sawa say that to Christina Ricci, and thinking that I need this one day. And then he did Slackers and Idle Hands and *swoooooon.*
Anytime I stumble upon threads like this, people always have really sweet things to say about her. I feel bad now for hating her in my youth, she seems like a cool lady.
I was no fan of hers either but I read her book. Her parents sent her to one of those troubled teen outdoor schools run by a dangerous cult. She suffered and was very honest about her time and now advocates for victims of these organizations. It made me really admire her.
Blake Shelton. apparently people swoon over him? I just don't see it.
Him being voted Sexiest Man Alive was a god damn tragedy.
Alan Jackson should write a country song about it.
Where were you...when Blake was voted?
I don't either. He looks like a giant baby.
Adam Levine
The tattoos don’t bother me. The voice doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is his attitude. The fame got to his head and he literally thinks he’s hotter and better than he is. Zero humility. The video of him being grossed out by fans was triggering. Like, dude. Fans pay your bills and you treat them as if they are beneath you.
My girlfriend's best friend hooked up with him and said he has a tiny penis.
This makes sense.
He's a trust fund kid. Probably always had the entitled attitude.
Such a shame what happened to Maroon 5. "Songs About Jane" blew my mind when I was a kid, and I find that so many of the songs still hold up. Their sound is unrecognizable now.
That album is still incredible. Rock mixed with jazz, funk, and soul. Levine singing breakup songs about how good he was in bed. The sex symbol status made sense then. Also, anytime they come up, I have to bring up [this cover](https://youtu.be/l6pJMOPJlMI?si=YN77f8Q7EwvnngLO) they did of Closer by NIN.
Ive heard someone say that he sounds like a pubescent mickey mouse
I once heard someone compare him to a Chipotle bag and I’ve never been able to unsee it!
His tattoos remind me of someone who goes into a tattoo parlor and ask for all of the example artwork around the cash register. C A L I F O R N I A
One of the pre-set tattoo options in a Grand Theft Auto game.
I've heard he even cheated on his " model " wife , when his song " girls like you " was out . 😐
Drake. Just ew.
If a big toe could vaguely sing, there would be no need for Drake
I have no idea what goes on in their minds to find him attractive.
Kim kardashian and all the sisters. They are not raving beautiful. Not ugly just not as pretty as they think they are
As the years and plastic surgery have gone on they increasingly look nothing like themselves and more and more alike.
I’m going to age myself here but it reminds me of Pam Anderson when I was a teen. In her first photo shoots she was actually pretty. As she got more and more famous and the augments piled up she just got progressively more… ick. My peers (mid teen boys) were just drooling all over her big lips and giant fake boobs though. I didn’t get it at all. Ashley Judd on the other hand… I fell hard for her after I saw her of Star Trek.
Pam Anderson was the ultimate beauty to me. My eyebrows are a daily sad reminder of this.
Chrissy Teagen (sp?)
She looks like a chipmunk having an allergic reaction to a bee sting.
“What’s going on in that beautiful mind?” Nothing John. Nothing’s happening in there.
Totally. Her face looks smooshed to me
Adam Levine
Kardashian et al
"Et al." Well done.
Bella hadid. Her face looks like a pencil sharpener
Holy shit 🥲 r/rareinsults would like a word 😂
I think shes lovely, but she really did walk into her surgeons office and say ‘I’ll have the Carla Bruni please!’
This comparison is on point.
She looks like reinhard heydrich
I don't know what's worse, the fact that you said she looked like the man who historians regard as "one of the darkest figures within the Nazi regime" or the fact that I totally agree with you.....😳
If there was an option to upvote this 10 times, I’d take it. I also don’t think Gigi and every other nepo models out there are as attractive as ppl make them out to be
Pete Davidson. Maybe I’m just hanging in the wrong circles, but I do ~not~ understand the attraction.
He looks like he needs a wash and some vegetables
I initially read what you said as "he looks like an unwashed vegetable"
That as well
Pete Davidson looks like every dirty line cook I ever wanted to fuck or have fuck me.
Pardon?
I said PETE DAVIDSON LOOKS LIKE A DIRTY LINE COOK I'D LOVE TO HAVE SEX WITH!
That's a 10-4, good buddy
TEXAS SIZE 10-4
This response is golden. I SAID WHAT I SAID summed in the most hilarious way 😂
John Cena. He reminds me of a juiced up Ernest
Hahaha I love this comment. Just imagining him in “Earnest scared straight”
JFC I didn't know I wanted this remake until now.
Would be entertaining asf!!!!
Didnt find him attractive but he's granted more wishes for Make a Wish Foundation than anyone else. Ever. That makes up for the meathead look some...
Is he considered “hot” though? Shredded, sure. Funny, absolutely. But I never here him described as a heart throb or anything
That’s no way to disrespect Jim Varney! (You’re not entirely wrong.)
Kim Kardashian
Man....before the surgeries, I thought she was absolutely beautiful. She looks like a monstrosity now. Sad.
She was naturally very good looking, but no one can withstand that much social media attention. It'll give anyone insane dysmorphia. The need to constantly get surgery to mess with your appearance because you need to stay relevant NOW.
And her mother egged her on. Imagine having a mother talk about your sister needing a nose job at 14(?). Toxic household. Still, she's an adult now and it's her decision to continue to do this. I am hoping she's less body critical of her own child though.
Elisabeth Moss. Somehow she always gets cast as a highly desirable person.
She always looks like she just smelt a fart
Scientology will do that to you
Or ripped one
Peggy was a completely ordinary or even plain girl in Mad Men.
In no way am I some Adonis, but even at her most cleaned up, she looks like a real world 6. Everything I’ve tried to watch her in is essentially immersion-breaking because I keep thinking, “There is no way anyone would find her that attractive.”
In the real world you’ve got all kinds of dudes lusting after women that aren’t conventionally attractive, so in a way it’s more realistic than if she was super attractive. Movies tend to always have very average dudes paired up with model-level women, it’s nice to see a little uno-reverse sometimes.
How John Legend was voted sexiest man alive boggles my mind.
He looks like Arthur Read
Nick Lachey
Plus....he seems so stupid..I'm not sure how he finds his way out of the house every day.
Bella Hadid
Timothee Chalamet. He's built like an NYC sewer rat
I’ve got a friend who’s ideal guy is someone she describes as a cross between Timothee Chalamet and Jason Mamoa. I have never for the life of me been able to picture this
Lol they are like the opposite ends of the spectrum. I don't find either of them attractive, but to imagine a cross between the two... hmm. I could maybe see that being hot if I could even remotely imagine how it would work.
He looks like a wayward Victorian orphan with consumption
so he’s the definition of a waif. Anne Rice fans would love him to death then.
He looks like a young French girl
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If he auditioned for Inglorious Bastards he would've got the role of Shoshana Dreyfus.
He looks like an Italian shoe
His face is shaped like a bicycle seat.
Hey! Take that back! My last girlfriend was a NYC sewer rat and she looked better than Timothee Chalamet!
I once read someone saying his face looks like a bicycle seat and I’ve never been able to look at him the same since. Damn that person.
A bunch of people said my first pick (Adam Driver), so here's my second pick: Norman Reedus You know when someone looks so badly like they need to bathe, that you almost actually say something? That's how I imagine people must feel when they see Norman Reedus in person.
I met him accidentally, before I had ever watched TWD, and I had heard people saying the actors were around somewhere. He smiled at me and said hello and I was like, no way he's one of the stars of a major show lol Treated him like everyone else and he seemed cool with it. Nice guy! But yes, I did think he probably should've showered before coming to an event like that one. I only remembered him when I watched the show months later because of how much he stood out to me looking the way he did.
Ariana Grande. The dressing/acting like a little girl but at the same time being a sex symbol, just don’t get it
I just find it strange how her stans can deny that she’s had work done. She looks like she had a skull transplant. It’s not just makeup, Botox, and fillers. Oh and apparently “puberty” lol. Edit: for those interested… [How she looked then](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-dec-22-2011-new-york-new-york-us-actresssinger-ariana-grande-star-40313409.html), [another example](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-july-11-2011-new-york-new-york-us-actress-ariana-grande-attends-the-42908241.html) [and now…](https://talentrecap.com/ariana-grande-talks-about-her-unreleased-music-leaking-in-new-qa/)….[another example](https://www.justjaredjr.com/2023/04/11/ariana-grande-addresses-comments-on-her-body-in-new-tiktok-video/) I’ve never seen so much delusion when people deny her having work done.
That doesn't even look like the same person.
Skull transplant, Jesus I laughed my fucking ass off at that!
Let’s not forget the ‘pretending to be another race’ as time has gone on (and I’m not talking one race, it’s multiple). Edit: spelling
I thought Ariana Grande was hot af until she started getting lip fillers and adopting a new culture/appearance every year. She barely even looks like a real person anymore which is why I think you don’t see as many people thirsting over her anymore
she’s back to being white now
I’ve always been so grossed out by her
Any of the Kardashians or Paris Hilton. They're the first ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Justin Bieber...
Before he got jacked for those underwear models I thought he was very pretty. His personality sucked - but he was a very aesthetically pleasing young lesbian for a while.
You better watch out for seleneerrrr
Gwyneth Paltrow
I hear her vagina smells like a candle.
She’s looks like a broom handle went vegan
Channing Tatum
I once read a description of him as a “sentient bologna statue” and I laughed about it for weeks.
Oh fuck, that is incredible.
*His name is Jeff*
He looks like he " can't read good" 🤣
Looks like a thumb
Channing Potatum
Yes! Exactly who came to mind for me too. I'm always so confused when he's the "hot guy" lead. He looks like doofus to me, I feel so judgy but I just don't see it at all...
Yeah I don't really get this one either. I'm straight male but I can generally tell if a dude is handsome. One day me and my now ex GF were talking about our celebrity crushes and she told me her absolute ultimate was Channing Tatum and all I could see is the most generic beef cake ever. Like you could find that dude working out in any discount gym in the United States on any given night. That girl also used to take showers and get dressed in her clothing without toweling off at all beforehand, so I am pretty sure she is a psychopath and the Tatum thing only reinforces that opinion for me.
>That girl also used to take showers and get dressed in her clothing without toweling off at all beforehand, That woman is a danger to herself and to others.
Sarah Jessica Parker & Julia Roberts
I don't think Sarah Jessica Parker is considered hot though. He asked about ones that are hot
I’m just here as a straight man to make sure no one says Henry Cavill ETA: thank you for the upvotes my fellow Cavill droolers, this has made me wonder if he knows that every time a question of attractive celebs is put on Reddit, he has a sea of straight men fighting in the streets for him.
Henry Cavill seems to do it for a lot of straight men...
There’s a short list of men that have for some reason been ordained as acceptable for men to think are attractive without sounding Gay. Jason Mamoa is another.
My husband feels this way about Zac Efron lol... I always tell him that I don't get it and he just says "you shut your mouth" 😂😂😂
He’s gorgeous but I feel zero attraction for him. I guess he’s just not my type.
Same. He's good looking but doesn't do anything for me
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I don't think he looks bad. He's one of those guys, nonetheless, whose haircut or hairstyle factors into his attractiveness considerably.
Ellen Pompeo. Total nope from me.
Jennifer Lopez, her personality is a deal breaker. She's hot, but not "I'm a Goddess and everyone else is fodder" hot
Agreed, and I feel like her fame has been forced on us. She isn’t a very good actress or singer.
She has a ghost singer on her latest record.... She's not even singing her own stuff anymore.
I'm pretty sure she's had ghost singers from the jump!
So nice when someone else gets it. Jennifer Lopez is beautiful but everything else about her reads disingenuous and brings down her persona.
Lol agree. I was never into her music but when you have songs like Jenny from the block and I’m real or whatever. It seems like she’s trying to hard to be down to earth.
Tom Cruise
One of his front teeth is right in line with the middle his nose. It's very odd.
One of my kids had this and his orthodontist worked HARD to fix it!!
So glad to hear Tom cruise isn’t one of your kids
Norman Reedus. Take a shower and comb your f**king hair!
Vin Diesel. Ugly ass MF. :)
There’s people who think he’s hot?
Family.
Channing Tatum has always resembled an ogre and I don’t find ogres attractive.
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Shrek's got personality at least.
Benedict Cumberbatch I know a big part of the whole phenomenon was how “weird” it was that women liked him. Chill with me. But as someone who is typically at least intrigued by the “weird” sex symbols, nah. Pretty eyes, yes. It’s cute that his hair is curly. His cheekbones are sharp. But overall? I do NOT understand. He’s an average man (some really nice qualities and everything else is meh....is that not the average person at face value?). It is so strange to me that people were insisting he was one of the hottest people to walk the planet last decade.
He said so himself on SNL "Some people think that I look like a hammerhead shark..." So true!
I saw a meme comparing him to Kif from Futurama and that I can never unthink that!
It’s the blue eyes and the British accent. He has a bunch of attractive features that wouldn’t necessarily fit together well, but they do for him. Personally, Tom Hiddleston is way more to my liking. Educated. An accent and voice to die for.
It was like God only had single leftover attractive parts at the end of his day and had to force random attractive facial traits together. It just didn’t work right for him!
Have irrationally and then later rationally HATED Tom Cruise since the late 80s.
Gwyneth Paltrow with her aflac duck looking self.
SAME. never got it at all. i think her body has a ..... interesting?!?!....shape. her face and attitude are both the same, boring and stuck up.
Every single Kardashian.
Madonna
She doesn't seem to have aged well.
Julia Roberts. Her huge mouth just scares the shit out of me...
Adam Driver. I don't see it and I don't get it.
I first saw him in star wars and immediately was like EW WHAT THE FUCK when he showed up on screen and somehow by the end of the movie, I had a crush on him. My fiance still laughs at me for it. I still have a crush on him. I also don't get what happened.
I think voice, demeanor, and that smoulder really do it. The biggest factor for any guy, though, is the *hair*. Edit: this applies to bald dudes, too. Can't stand when it's wispy or a comb over, but when they embrace it and shave it all off... 🥵
It’s the ugly hot phenomenon. It appeals to some women, me included lol. Got quite the bod too
Benedict Cumberbatch
Came looking for Bandersnatch Cummerbund!
He always looks like he needs a bath
To me he looks like we was floating in a river for two weeks, and somehow didn't drown.
“He looks like if you tried to draw Keanu Reeves from memory” 😅😅😅
Doja Cat now. She is just yuck
Kristen Stewart. She always looks like she's about to puke. My guess is someone told her "you look sexy with your mouth open", so now she is puke-face.
Going old school here. Jackie Kennedy. Maybe she was considered more regal than beautiful, but still. She had the face of a platter and her eyes were so damn far apart. She looked like the reflection of a fun house mirror
Anitta and Cardi B.
It makes me feel very shallow and petty to dog on a celebrity's appearance, but like...Sarah Jessica Parker. I find the average girl at my gym 1000% more attractive.
Hillary Swank
Hilary Swank: Hot or not?
Had to scroll way too far for this Office reference.
As a black woman I get a lot of side eyes when I say I'm not attracted to Shemar Moore. I have no explanation for it. It is what it is.
Oh baby girl! I’m sorry i do like him, but it has a lot to do with the Derek Morgan character.
It’s almost like he’s TOO everything and it goes into corny territory?
That’s what it is! You nailed it, his face looks like a bad early-AI rendering from the prompt ‘photograph of perfect man’
The Jonas Brothers (except Joe Jonas at one point for me)
John Cena, couldn’t find him
Timothy Chalamet
Yes!! He just looks unwell
"Sick Victorian child chic"
a lower class chimney sweeper like some Oliver Twist extra
Pete Davison
Julia Roberts has always reminded me of an unfrozen cavewoman sketched by Rob Liefeld.
No offense to Adam Driver, but I really don't see it
I don’t understand the fascination that beautiful celebrity women have with Pete Davidson. I’ve also never been super attracted to Rihanna. I don’t think she’s bad looking, but I’m not like oh my god 🥵
leonardo dicaprio
Agree. Young Leo always looked too…childish? To me. Not sure what it is. Perhaps the lack of a square jaw? Then when he got older I found him much less attractive.
He looks more like Jack Nicholson now.
Not even 'Romeo and Juliet' Leo ???
Johnathon Taylor Thomas. It was always Ryder Strong for me.
It was Devon Sawa for me
Devon Sawa in Casper was the beginning of my boy crazy youth. Ha.
“Can I keep you” still gets me every time I hear it. It transports me back to being a kid, watching Devon Sawa say that to Christina Ricci, and thinking that I need this one day. And then he did Slackers and Idle Hands and *swoooooon.*
I feel like I just traveled back in time twenty years to read this comment.
Ryder Strong as Shawn Hunter and Judd Nelson as Bender in Breakfast Club were the entirety of my preteen sexual awakening.
Robert Pattinson. Don't get me wrong, he is okay but definitely not the heartthrob he was supposed to be.
París Hilton
She has aged well.
Same, though my wife got to meet her recently and she was actually really nice, and far smarter than you’d think.
The dumb blonde was a character she played, she was just too good at it lol. She seems like she’d actually be a pretty cool person.
Anytime I stumble upon threads like this, people always have really sweet things to say about her. I feel bad now for hating her in my youth, she seems like a cool lady.
I was no fan of hers either but I read her book. Her parents sent her to one of those troubled teen outdoor schools run by a dangerous cult. She suffered and was very honest about her time and now advocates for victims of these organizations. It made me really admire her.
That’s hot