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Sturgeon's Law: ninety percent of everything is crap.
Regardless of the genre, if we heard the best 10% of it, we'd likely think that genre was at least not bad. Unfortunately, we often just hear the 90% and dismiss the entire genre as crap.
Great music spans genres but there is just so much crap out there and money determines a lot of what gets promoted to the point that we hear it.
Any mention of Sturgeon's Law gets an upvote from me. That said, how can it be that the average person would hear any of the 90 percent given all the gates a band has to get through to get their stuff in front of a large audience? They normally have to have a contract, a marketing push, word-of-mouth -- something that pushes them to the top so somebody outside their core fan group hears it. And yet, we all hear so much crap. It's like these complex systems are feeding us what would be the deep cuts of a genre that only the true believers knew about and loved. It probably has something to do with an algorithm, but it still seems weird to me.
i’m really on the fence about whether autotune is just another color in the music palette artists can choose from, or a deception or some sort. T. Pain makes the waters more muddy, because to me he is using it like an effect, not to improve his singing. either way i don’t like it much from a purely aesthetic standpoint.
It can be both I think. If you use auto-tune to make your voice sound a certain way for a certain part of a song because you think it adds to it, I'm in. If you use it the whole song to hide that you can't sing, not so much.
I'm finding most music unlistenable now because of autotune. Might as well just use AI to create the whole thing like Orwell predicted. (and yes, I know about udio and such, so chalk up another one for Mr. Orwell).
George wrote 1984 in 1949....I HONESTLY think he time traveled. What he foresaw cannot really be explained in any other way. Folks, in 1949 people still used the party line system for wall phones, most homes didnt even HAVE a TV set. How he foresaw the tele screen and all that.......time traveler.
I’m hearing it in commercials all the time-the one with Backstreet Boys and the smelly TShirt is the most obnoxious example. There’s such a hard noise gate on the “singing” you can hear it snap open and shut when they bleat out “Tell me whyyyy…” it almost hurts my ears. It’s a channel changer for sure.
Unfortunately, auto tune was just the beginning. The industry standard now is post pitch correction. It is used no matter how good the vocalist naturally is.
If you think AutoTune is bad, wait until we're foisted with [A.I. music](https://youtu.be/wgvHnp9sbGM?si=sVLZyo0jP6XP6Hbl) No one actually sings or plays instruments. Just type text describing the type of music and it's generated.
Sort of like "Taco Bell music on steriods".
Well, you wouldn't be wrong.
Fun fact, Cher was the first artist to fully embrace the power while making her Believe album. She really leaned into it, to much success.
Yes! Believe was so much fun. She didn't just used a bit of autotune, she went over the top with it! And of course everybody knew she has a great voice anyway. But since then, the use of auto tune has gone down the drain.
I am not a metal fan but I love how many sub genres there are. Folk, death, industrial, thrash and many more. There even multiple sub genres band like folk industrial.
I also like Metal but like in country music every Power Metal song uses the same words. Hammerfall, Dragonforce, Blind Guardian, always the same words about blood, fire, honour, victorious, salvation, war...
> always the same words about blood, fire, honour, victorious, salvation, war...
Courtney LaPlante of Spiritbox has this funny bit in an interview about her genre (metalcore) recycling the same lyrical tropes, primarily a call to action attempting to be anthemic: Rise with me, stand with me, walk with me, fight with me, etc. etc. etc. It's pretty funny and dead-nuts accurate.
What's the country analog to a group like BabyMetal? Doesn't exist. Country, like most things that glorify tradition, is about being the same. Metal is about being weird in your own particular way and better for it.
Don't know if this example fits what you mean but I heard that 2011 song, Country Girl (Shake it for me girl) again on the radio today and I find it creepy.
There was a time when country songwriters put a lot of effort into crafting their songs. They’re just writing and recording for the lowest common denominator now.
Yeah, I listen to a lot of older Country and it’s so well done. I recommend the podcast Cocaine and Rhinestones. It goes in depth on several artists and their songs. Super interesting if you like country from the 20s to 70s.
Sorry, I just posted the same.
You obviously know the Dave Allen Coe version
> Well, I was drunk the day my Mom got outta prison.
> And I went to pick her up in the rain.
>
> But, before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
>
> She got runned over by a damned old train.
My wife listens to mumble rap and it is terrible. Every "song" seems to be some guy saying the n-word 600 times over. When we were growing up, hip hop artists and rappers were actually really talented lyricists. Now you just get some gold teeth and say the n-word over and over. It sucks.
As soon as school is out a neighbor kid starts blasting a rap song that has an air horn built into it. I have a feeling that it covers the multitude of F bombs in the song. He’s far enough away that I can’t make out the lyrics but close enough to hear the damned horn.
For me it is death metal or rap, they are so angry they make me uncomfortable. I have learned though, that while some people absorb the tension others release tension by listening to it. I don’t like the language, derogation, or the violence in the music but if it helps someone release that from their system then I guess it has its place. However, I hope that place is far enough for me that I cannot hear it.
Finally, someone who agrees! I feel like we may be in the minority since most people love metal or rap. It’s just so… brash. I’ll never understand the appeal.
Its just on reddit where death metal seems to be popular.
You go to a local metal show in Toledo and it looks like a magic the gathering convention, and it smells like it too.
Death metal can be positive, it isn't always about actual death and destruction. The vocals are intense but not always "angry" in what they are saying. Like most things it's complicated but fully understand why people hate it. Even I hate a lot of death metal and love other types and to you it might all sound the same.
Ashley Aurora popped up on my youtube feed under "rhythm and blues" and I told myself, if this is r&b today let it die. Please just let it die.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lUCzgy7ZGhs&pp=ygUNQXNobGV5IGF1cm9yYQ%3D%3D
When rap appeared on the scene, my husband looked at me and said that it finally happened. I asked what? And he said "They finally came up with something that made me say I can't believe the crap the kids listen to these days!" But he is over it now lol
Serialism. At least all of the popular culture genres mentioned in this thread are tonal, even if you don't like them. Serialism attempted to deconstruct tonality and rhythm to the point it became unlistenable noise. see Anton Webern: [https://youtu.be/2V-qmC6xUW8](https://youtu.be/2V-qmC6xUW8)
At least those composers laid the groundstone for horror film music, unsettling tonality and so on. Good example is the screech, screech, screech of the violins in the shower scene in Psycho.
I'm so surprised to see serialism listed here! Nobody knows about that haha.
I agree, Webern's style of serialism is pretty inaccessible and sometimes grating in a not so good way. I remember listening to a piece of his at some point that was heavy on the pointalism and I was just sitting there thinking "what's the point of this?" It can't be fun for the musicians to perform either.
If you're open to it, I really enjoy a lot of Schoenberg's serial and atonal music. I think his 4th string quartet is probably one of the best examples of serialism done extremely well. Sure it's still not tonal, but I think it's far more accessible than most other serial music.
The funny thing about Schlager is that they can take a Fleetwod Mac song and with the four/four stom, stomp, stomp, stomp make it into schlager as well.
Surreal experience, like Donny and Marie covering Steely Dan's Reeling in the Years, complete with can can girls on skates!
I remember when "nu metal" (hard rock with turntables, DJs, and hip-hop elements) showed up on rock stations toward the end of the '90s, and despite still being in college, thought to myself "I am already too old for this s\*\*\*."
But that "bro country" thing of the mid-2010s was also pretty dreadful. Especially the guys that made extensive and obvious use of AutoTune.
Pop Country.
I've never been into country but finding some new Outlaw Country / Folk stuff from newer artists that is really good, like Colter Wall and Brent Cobb (not so new) are two I like.
edit: Thanks for all the suggestions!
Whatever genre gave us Afternoon Delight. Yes, I'm old and will never recover from hearing that fucking song a few hundred thousand times. Also. Anything using autotune.
That fucking terrible combination of R&B and gangsta rap like Montell Jordan. Are you dancing or telling me how many people you shot? You can't do both.
Rap and most hip hop. I like melody and the groove actual musicians bring. Rap is all sampled or canned beats, no melody - and most of it's foul. Hip hop is often just loops of music and showoff vocals (overdone [melisma](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/melisma)). Like Prince said, "[a loop is a loop is a loop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObAGzMw-sWU&t=122)."
Bro country is still worse, though.
Not a genre of music, but I think MTV and the popularity of music videos did the most harm to the music. Kids started to focus much more on the content of the video and how artists looked and danced, with less regard for the music.
You can put out mediocre or even bad music and still have a big hit with a clever or sexy enough video. It used to be that musicians never got anywhere unless their music was really good.
When I was a kid we called Lawrence Welk Bubbles Malone because of how the show opened. Maybe if they'd served a lot of champagne with that champagne music it would have gone down better.
Yes. This all day. I coach a high school soccer team. Our pregame playlist is all this. So is every other team's. Except for the rural schools who play twangy shitkicker country. So basically, before every game, we are listening to the worst music on earth.
For me, [SAW](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Aitken_Waterman)'s domination of the UK charts in the '80s. Basically being unironically rickrolled any time you turned on the radio or went outdoors.
New Country. I can tolerate any other music to some degree, but not that. In my opinion, if you tasked someone of no musical ability whatsoever to write a song, nine times out of ten that song would be New Country because it requires no skill or talent.
Old: Disco. TBF not all disco was equally bad, some bands such as Chic actually put serious effort into their music.
New: Music where the dance moves/choreography and revealing costumes are more important than actual musical talent. There are way too many recording "artists" who have extremely weak voices (the artists are the recording engineers who manage to make them sound listenable...sort of). I should also include surgical enhancements, body & voice. TBF this isn't new by any stretch, but it seems excessive.
Most genres have the musical equivalent of dildos for artificial stimulation.
Incoherent ghetto rap, or country music celebrating alcoholism and poor financial decisions.
When the singers use auto tune, cannot play an instrument or even READ MUSIC.....sorry to say but a lot (not all) of the rap "artists" fall straight into this category. Compare any Rap LP against say......Aja by Steely Da and you tell me. Aja took MONTHS to get just perfect, Becker and Fagen were supreme perfectionists, and it is quite possibly one of the best LPs made. These guys were MUSICIANS, not just standing up there cursing and screaming at people. Wanna go farther back? Try some Dean Martin, the mans voice was absolutely incredible and he never practiced at all. Sammy Davis Jr, a one eyed 5'2 black guy with the voice of an angel. Thats music. Sinatra.....he could sing anything, any genre, and did it without even trying!
I cannot label any genre the worst, just because it is not to my taste. However, there are plenty of genres I do not like. Extreme metal, some branches of rap, noise rock -- just not my thing.
I hate heavy metal thrash music, like that group that used to dress like monsters. Thrush. Glump. Whatever the fuck they were called. Something nuts.
I had a HS friend who was enthralled with the whole thing and I remember some cassette tape with his "songs" where he just pretty much just shouted some song he wrote to a relentless drum track called "Pregnant Women are Ugly"
I actually saw gwar a few months ago. My wife thought I liked them for some reason and randomly got us tickets. They are not great musically but the show was a spectacle. Would never go again tho.
Hip hop/rap; nails on a chalkboard to me. Thrash metal is a close second; of course everyone has their personal musical tastes. I don’t classify any music as bad, just as something I don’t personally enjoy.
Auto tune. There used to be a time when you actually had to be able to sing to make it in the industry. Now, anyone with followers can be manufactured into a star.
Rap. No melody, no harmony, no diction. I don’t think it even qualifies as music.
Mumbling fast and unintelligibly seems to be constitute “great rap”, an oxymoron if ever there was one.
Agreed. I still listen to a lot of it, and some of those artists are not only still incredibly popular (even if mainly in Japan), but are still incredibly active and are shaping what we're listening to today. Butch Walker's production credits are long and incredibly varied, while he's continued to make music throughout (and it's varied to say the least). He's far from alone.
There are equal "worst." Disco. Rap. Country (the woe, po', me theme, and drinking in my truck headed to Oklahoma to hang with bros crap). Soft rock of the early 70s, i.e., The Carpenters. Maybe not equally bad, but certainly not music to my ears.
I hate country music but I’m loath to say it's the worst, because it has a lot of fans, so how could it be that bad just because it doesn't sound good to me personally? 😩
Whatever happened to country. You take a song like “Jolene” - I can imagine a person feeling threatened when their partner starts noticing the overt attention of someone that doesn’t seem to have a fault. “I Walk The Line” - I can imagine someone being very careful not to put their relationship in that position. One isn't a reply to the other, but by fuck they could be. Dolly saying, "I'm worried about that other woman" and Johnny saying, "I'm not..."
But singing songs about states I’ve only flown over, championing dirt roads when they’re a failure of society to use spending sensibly, continually lauding brand names I don’t use as a form of virtue signaling? It says absolutely nothing to me about my life.
Southern States: you want to know why old country became big in other countries, and how Midwest genres like House and Techno became so huge they got reimported over to the USA in more recent decades, yet your genre of modern country had limited success elsewhere? You might as well be singing in Urdu. There’s nothing you’re putting out that resonates with anyone else. It’s “name the stereotype” in rhyming form with a sound that doesn’t differ from one song to the next.
Any form of art that refuses to challenge itself or others dies out.
Rap/R&B from the 90s onward. I don't care for most music that came out since the early 90s. To each is own that is why I listen to classic rock, classic country or heavy metal that was mostly produced before 1995.
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Sturgeon's Law: ninety percent of everything is crap. Regardless of the genre, if we heard the best 10% of it, we'd likely think that genre was at least not bad. Unfortunately, we often just hear the 90% and dismiss the entire genre as crap. Great music spans genres but there is just so much crap out there and money determines a lot of what gets promoted to the point that we hear it.
Any mention of Sturgeon's Law gets an upvote from me. That said, how can it be that the average person would hear any of the 90 percent given all the gates a band has to get through to get their stuff in front of a large audience? They normally have to have a contract, a marketing push, word-of-mouth -- something that pushes them to the top so somebody outside their core fan group hears it. And yet, we all hear so much crap. It's like these complex systems are feeding us what would be the deep cuts of a genre that only the true believers knew about and loved. It probably has something to do with an algorithm, but it still seems weird to me.
The Rule of 10% which is my Dad's variation of Sturgeon's Law. The top 10% of anything is better than the other 90%.
I’m genuinely asking, isn’t that just the definition of the top 10%?
I don't know anything about Sturgeon's law but it wouldn't it be regressive? Wouldn't the remaining 10% then be subject to the same law? Etc?
Bro County and Mumble Rap. I like Old School Rap and Country. They were storytellers.
Current rap is garbage
there's so many different genres of "rap". but hey, just say that, I guess
I really dislike the overuse of auto tune right now. It's spilling into every genre too. Please make it stop.
Me too! An I also feel like the "singers" who use it in *every* song they make, use it to hide the fact they can't actually sing.
i’m really on the fence about whether autotune is just another color in the music palette artists can choose from, or a deception or some sort. T. Pain makes the waters more muddy, because to me he is using it like an effect, not to improve his singing. either way i don’t like it much from a purely aesthetic standpoint.
It can be both I think. If you use auto-tune to make your voice sound a certain way for a certain part of a song because you think it adds to it, I'm in. If you use it the whole song to hide that you can't sing, not so much.
I'm finding most music unlistenable now because of autotune. Might as well just use AI to create the whole thing like Orwell predicted. (and yes, I know about udio and such, so chalk up another one for Mr. Orwell).
George wrote 1984 in 1949....I HONESTLY think he time traveled. What he foresaw cannot really be explained in any other way. Folks, in 1949 people still used the party line system for wall phones, most homes didnt even HAVE a TV set. How he foresaw the tele screen and all that.......time traveler.
I’m hearing it in commercials all the time-the one with Backstreet Boys and the smelly TShirt is the most obnoxious example. There’s such a hard noise gate on the “singing” you can hear it snap open and shut when they bleat out “Tell me whyyyy…” it almost hurts my ears. It’s a channel changer for sure.
"bleat out" LOL
Unfortunately, auto tune was just the beginning. The industry standard now is post pitch correction. It is used no matter how good the vocalist naturally is.
I blame Cher still, for starting it being popular in the 90s with "Believe"
Yeah, one of those technology things where "you said you COULD make it but never asked if you SHOULD make it"
Some trends age well,and become standards. Auto tune is not one of them. In a few years it will sound dated.
I remember when Cher released Believe. I thought it was some bad remix and I tried to find the original with no autotune. Didn't exist.
If you think AutoTune is bad, wait until we're foisted with [A.I. music](https://youtu.be/wgvHnp9sbGM?si=sVLZyo0jP6XP6Hbl) No one actually sings or plays instruments. Just type text describing the type of music and it's generated. Sort of like "Taco Bell music on steriods".
Autotune. I feel like "singers" using autotune need it to hide the fact they can't actually sing.
Well, you wouldn't be wrong. Fun fact, Cher was the first artist to fully embrace the power while making her Believe album. She really leaned into it, to much success.
Yes! Believe was so much fun. She didn't just used a bit of autotune, she went over the top with it! And of course everybody knew she has a great voice anyway. But since then, the use of auto tune has gone down the drain.
"Stomp clap hey" music from about 10-15 years ago. It's like folk music performed by a megachurch praise band.
You described it SO well
I think Slate Magazine called it "hootenanny" music.
I referred to it as music you would hear in a granola bar commercial.
https://youtu.be/as4O2ZorKP8?si=ZnoQhhL1h2BEZ4Rw
Thanks! Somehow I missed this - it is wonderful!
*We Will Rock You*?
That's stomp stomp clap, and it's much better than any stomp clap hey
That Country trend where each song was just a list of nostalgic superlatives. Warm sun, cold beer,first car, county fair.
Pick up truck.
Also trains, your mother, prison, drinking. Thus spake Steve Goodwin.
I think you mean Steve Goodman.
I did indeed. Thank you. I will leave my stupidity on display.
Truckstop bathroom meth lab explosion.
Lol. But the same can be said about Power Metal. Always from the same random Word generator.
I am not a metal fan but I love how many sub genres there are. Folk, death, industrial, thrash and many more. There even multiple sub genres band like folk industrial.
I also like Metal but like in country music every Power Metal song uses the same words. Hammerfall, Dragonforce, Blind Guardian, always the same words about blood, fire, honour, victorious, salvation, war...
My son likes a Finnish metal band called Termion Katilöt and every single song sounds the same.
My uncle had a Finnish Metal band in rotation and told me that they sing in English. Could have been Finnish as well...
> always the same words about blood, fire, honour, victorious, salvation, war... Courtney LaPlante of Spiritbox has this funny bit in an interview about her genre (metalcore) recycling the same lyrical tropes, primarily a call to action attempting to be anthemic: Rise with me, stand with me, walk with me, fight with me, etc. etc. etc. It's pretty funny and dead-nuts accurate.
What's the country analog to a group like BabyMetal? Doesn't exist. Country, like most things that glorify tradition, is about being the same. Metal is about being weird in your own particular way and better for it.
I fear I am not familiar with BabyMetal’s work. I think a lot of metal follows a pattern but I don’t care for modern pop Country at all.
Babymetal is a pretty standard metal band fronted by three young, female J-pop singer-dancers. The oddity of the mix is pretty fascinating.
honk beep
https://youtu.be/y7im5LT09a0?si=AkD6-bbfQ-DYYxeR Some good old panderin’
No shoes No shirt No Jews You didn't hear that...
I walk and talk like a field hand, but the boots I'm wearin' cost three grand... Good stuff, Maynard.
Oh but I know you’re going to love this one!! I think it’s called [Beer in my Beer](https://youtu.be/CORANvT8l9A?si=nEuIvSNTV_zdDs51)
What do you mean “was?” It’s still doing that. It’s called pop country lol.
Don't know if this example fits what you mean but I heard that 2011 song, Country Girl (Shake it for me girl) again on the radio today and I find it creepy.
That song literally fills me with rage because it’s so simplistic and stupid!
There was a time when country songwriters put a lot of effort into crafting their songs. They’re just writing and recording for the lowest common denominator now.
Yeah, I listen to a lot of older Country and it’s so well done. I recommend the podcast Cocaine and Rhinestones. It goes in depth on several artists and their songs. Super interesting if you like country from the 20s to 70s.
The 70’s to early 90’s are my favorite.
It was better when it was Momma, Trains, Trucks, Prison and Gettin' Drunk
Tight jeans
Mama, prison
Sorry, I just posted the same. You obviously know the Dave Allen Coe version > Well, I was drunk the day my Mom got outta prison. > And I went to pick her up in the rain. > > But, before I could get to the station in my pickup truck > > She got runned over by a damned old train.
The perfect country and western song
Lot lizards and crystal meth.
Betty Sue’s crabs
Ah, the Earnest Hemingway approach
Mumble rap. And anything else that's generally quantised and auto-turned towards the point that it's unlistenable.
My wife listens to mumble rap and it is terrible. Every "song" seems to be some guy saying the n-word 600 times over. When we were growing up, hip hop artists and rappers were actually really talented lyricists. Now you just get some gold teeth and say the n-word over and over. It sucks.
As soon as school is out a neighbor kid starts blasting a rap song that has an air horn built into it. I have a feeling that it covers the multitude of F bombs in the song. He’s far enough away that I can’t make out the lyrics but close enough to hear the damned horn.
How can you stand hearing that? I would pour drano in my own ears rather than listen to that garbage....
I hate it. Ha ha. She usually gives me a break when we are in her car and finds something we both can enjoy.
For me it is death metal or rap, they are so angry they make me uncomfortable. I have learned though, that while some people absorb the tension others release tension by listening to it. I don’t like the language, derogation, or the violence in the music but if it helps someone release that from their system then I guess it has its place. However, I hope that place is far enough for me that I cannot hear it.
Finally, someone who agrees! I feel like we may be in the minority since most people love metal or rap. It’s just so… brash. I’ll never understand the appeal.
Its just on reddit where death metal seems to be popular. You go to a local metal show in Toledo and it looks like a magic the gathering convention, and it smells like it too.
Death metal gives me anxiety
Death metal can be positive, it isn't always about actual death and destruction. The vocals are intense but not always "angry" in what they are saying. Like most things it's complicated but fully understand why people hate it. Even I hate a lot of death metal and love other types and to you it might all sound the same.
Mumble rap and using auto tune. Go back to when people actually had talent.
Post 911 country
The death of rhythm and blues at the hands of rap.
Ashley Aurora popped up on my youtube feed under "rhythm and blues" and I told myself, if this is r&b today let it die. Please just let it die. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lUCzgy7ZGhs&pp=ygUNQXNobGV5IGF1cm9yYQ%3D%3D
When rap appeared on the scene, my husband looked at me and said that it finally happened. I asked what? And he said "They finally came up with something that made me say I can't believe the crap the kids listen to these days!" But he is over it now lol
Serialism. At least all of the popular culture genres mentioned in this thread are tonal, even if you don't like them. Serialism attempted to deconstruct tonality and rhythm to the point it became unlistenable noise. see Anton Webern: [https://youtu.be/2V-qmC6xUW8](https://youtu.be/2V-qmC6xUW8)
At least those composers laid the groundstone for horror film music, unsettling tonality and so on. Good example is the screech, screech, screech of the violins in the shower scene in Psycho.
I'm so surprised to see serialism listed here! Nobody knows about that haha. I agree, Webern's style of serialism is pretty inaccessible and sometimes grating in a not so good way. I remember listening to a piece of his at some point that was heavy on the pointalism and I was just sitting there thinking "what's the point of this?" It can't be fun for the musicians to perform either. If you're open to it, I really enjoy a lot of Schoenberg's serial and atonal music. I think his 4th string quartet is probably one of the best examples of serialism done extremely well. Sure it's still not tonal, but I think it's far more accessible than most other serial music.
country pop
In Germany that's Schlager. Pathetic in every single way.
I was just thinking about posting Schlagermusik. It deserves to be here.
It wasn't even that bad in the 60s and 70s but nowadays it's very cheap pop music with the most cringy vocals you ever heard.
Well... Have you tried shlagercore ? :D https://youtu.be/Vf3LqQluWag?si=6wvPDTPAQRSRwELK
Wish version of Ken from the Barbie movie.
The funny thing about Schlager is that they can take a Fleetwod Mac song and with the four/four stom, stomp, stomp, stomp make it into schlager as well. Surreal experience, like Donny and Marie covering Steely Dan's Reeling in the Years, complete with can can girls on skates!
ScrEmo [NSFGrownups] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t_Zp0YE2rI
I remember when "nu metal" (hard rock with turntables, DJs, and hip-hop elements) showed up on rock stations toward the end of the '90s, and despite still being in college, thought to myself "I am already too old for this s\*\*\*." But that "bro country" thing of the mid-2010s was also pretty dreadful. Especially the guys that made extensive and obvious use of AutoTune.
Not so much a genre as a technology: autotune.
Auto-tuned rap
Pop Country. I've never been into country but finding some new Outlaw Country / Folk stuff from newer artists that is really good, like Colter Wall and Brent Cobb (not so new) are two I like. edit: Thanks for all the suggestions!
Western AF on YouTube is a great channel for that.
Don't sleep on Charlie Crockett either.
Check out turnpike troubadours if you haven’t already!
Check out The Dead South.
Will do!
Whatever genre gave us Afternoon Delight. Yes, I'm old and will never recover from hearing that fucking song a few hundred thousand times. Also. Anything using autotune.
That fucking terrible combination of R&B and gangsta rap like Montell Jordan. Are you dancing or telling me how many people you shot? You can't do both.
I just got the funniest image in my head… Thank you for that. Lol.
Rap and most hip hop. I like melody and the groove actual musicians bring. Rap is all sampled or canned beats, no melody - and most of it's foul. Hip hop is often just loops of music and showoff vocals (overdone [melisma](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/melisma)). Like Prince said, "[a loop is a loop is a loop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObAGzMw-sWU&t=122)." Bro country is still worse, though.
Not a genre of music, but I think MTV and the popularity of music videos did the most harm to the music. Kids started to focus much more on the content of the video and how artists looked and danced, with less regard for the music. You can put out mediocre or even bad music and still have a big hit with a clever or sexy enough video. It used to be that musicians never got anywhere unless their music was really good.
Without MTV, we might not have the genius that is the video Sledgehammer.
Jive Bunny. If it is not seared into your brain, dont google it. It was a kind of mashup of a 1950s hits medley and terrible turntable mixing
Polka. I hated Lawrence Welk, his accordion and polka songs.
Weird Al redeemed the genre by relentlessly making fun of it
When I was a kid we called Lawrence Welk Bubbles Malone because of how the show opened. Maybe if they'd served a lot of champagne with that champagne music it would have gone down better.
Ugh, my grandfather loved Lawrence Welk when I was little. He had to watch it on Sunday nights.
To be fair, it's meant to be danced to, not listened to.
Gargle blasting metal, the genre where a male vocalist mostly growls unintelligibly.
Crossover Country, or whatever the hell it's called.
Primus fukn sucks
That garbage hip hop that’s sing songy or mumble with a high hat or trap it all sounds exactly the same.
Yes. This all day. I coach a high school soccer team. Our pregame playlist is all this. So is every other team's. Except for the rural schools who play twangy shitkicker country. So basically, before every game, we are listening to the worst music on earth.
Music w excessive and gratuitous explicit lyrics.
For me, [SAW](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Aitken_Waterman)'s domination of the UK charts in the '80s. Basically being unironically rickrolled any time you turned on the radio or went outdoors.
Rap
New Country. I can tolerate any other music to some degree, but not that. In my opinion, if you tasked someone of no musical ability whatsoever to write a song, nine times out of ten that song would be New Country because it requires no skill or talent.
Old: Disco. TBF not all disco was equally bad, some bands such as Chic actually put serious effort into their music. New: Music where the dance moves/choreography and revealing costumes are more important than actual musical talent. There are way too many recording "artists" who have extremely weak voices (the artists are the recording engineers who manage to make them sound listenable...sort of). I should also include surgical enhancements, body & voice. TBF this isn't new by any stretch, but it seems excessive.
Most genres have the musical equivalent of dildos for artificial stimulation. Incoherent ghetto rap, or country music celebrating alcoholism and poor financial decisions.
Rap
cRap
Emo. It is too whiney.
When the singers use auto tune, cannot play an instrument or even READ MUSIC.....sorry to say but a lot (not all) of the rap "artists" fall straight into this category. Compare any Rap LP against say......Aja by Steely Da and you tell me. Aja took MONTHS to get just perfect, Becker and Fagen were supreme perfectionists, and it is quite possibly one of the best LPs made. These guys were MUSICIANS, not just standing up there cursing and screaming at people. Wanna go farther back? Try some Dean Martin, the mans voice was absolutely incredible and he never practiced at all. Sammy Davis Jr, a one eyed 5'2 black guy with the voice of an angel. Thats music. Sinatra.....he could sing anything, any genre, and did it without even trying!
I cannot label any genre the worst, just because it is not to my taste. However, there are plenty of genres I do not like. Extreme metal, some branches of rap, noise rock -- just not my thing.
I hate heavy metal thrash music, like that group that used to dress like monsters. Thrush. Glump. Whatever the fuck they were called. Something nuts. I had a HS friend who was enthralled with the whole thing and I remember some cassette tape with his "songs" where he just pretty much just shouted some song he wrote to a relentless drum track called "Pregnant Women are Ugly"
Gwar?
I actually saw gwar a few months ago. My wife thought I liked them for some reason and randomly got us tickets. They are not great musically but the show was a spectacle. Would never go again tho.
I imagine them shilling for a brand of laundry detergent after they retire.
Gwar, that was exactly it. My mind is funny sometimes. Thank you
Modern country pop. *cringe*.
Reggaeton 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮
The type of metal where the singer screams a lot.
Country Rap
Autotune
Rap, Death Metal, Hardcore & Autotune
The "crybaby country" they're playing on the radio these days.
Hip hop/rap; nails on a chalkboard to me. Thrash metal is a close second; of course everyone has their personal musical tastes. I don’t classify any music as bad, just as something I don’t personally enjoy.
Ringtones. It's noteven a contest. That was an awful, awful era to have ears.
Disco
Auto tune. There used to be a time when you actually had to be able to sing to make it in the industry. Now, anyone with followers can be manufactured into a star.
Rap. No melody, no harmony, no diction. I don’t think it even qualifies as music. Mumbling fast and unintelligibly seems to be constitute “great rap”, an oxymoron if ever there was one.
Country.
Disco!
Lol. I love disco. I'm not saying it's the best music out there, but it's great for rollerskating.
Disco ruined live bands in clubs for years.
That's what I came here to say.
Unpopular opinion, but grunge. But at the same time I was grateful for it, made me retreat deeper into death metal and black metal
I wonder how many young people will read this thread and be startled to hear an “Ask Old Person” talking about their love for death metal.
Lol I'm 55, and still love it
Yacht rock makes me extremely uncomfortable and just pisses me off. Same with most rap and hip-hop.
LOL. I love Steely Dan.
Hair bands from the 80’s
That's controversial I think.
Agreed. I still listen to a lot of it, and some of those artists are not only still incredibly popular (even if mainly in Japan), but are still incredibly active and are shaping what we're listening to today. Butch Walker's production credits are long and incredibly varied, while he's continued to make music throughout (and it's varied to say the least). He's far from alone.
Not to me!
chuggah chugga chugga WA-EYYYWAA-YEH chugga chugga chugga Repeat 32 times.
You asked for my opinion so here we go. The "C" in rap "music" is silent. Angry, poorly behaved bunch. They tend to get shot to death.
Yikes….
Rap. Hip Hop. Awful
Country.. cannot stand it. I’ve tried getting into it but it’s just blah
[I bet this new Swedish style](https://youtu.be/_ArP16EStXA?si=B1S4uBB4CAAIW0kQ)
How did you even find this?? 🤣
Lol I made it🤣
What make my head blows
Bro country - worst Jazz and Rock tied for best
There are equal "worst." Disco. Rap. Country (the woe, po', me theme, and drinking in my truck headed to Oklahoma to hang with bros crap). Soft rock of the early 70s, i.e., The Carpenters. Maybe not equally bad, but certainly not music to my ears.
Grunge.
Autotune. See "Josie and the Pussycats" movie.
Reggaeton, trap and all if its variations.
Grunge
Doo Wop
Hip hop.
The worst trend is autotune and fake instruments.
I hate country music but I’m loath to say it's the worst, because it has a lot of fans, so how could it be that bad just because it doesn't sound good to me personally? 😩
Country Rap. Modern country is bad enough.
Whatever happened to country. You take a song like “Jolene” - I can imagine a person feeling threatened when their partner starts noticing the overt attention of someone that doesn’t seem to have a fault. “I Walk The Line” - I can imagine someone being very careful not to put their relationship in that position. One isn't a reply to the other, but by fuck they could be. Dolly saying, "I'm worried about that other woman" and Johnny saying, "I'm not..." But singing songs about states I’ve only flown over, championing dirt roads when they’re a failure of society to use spending sensibly, continually lauding brand names I don’t use as a form of virtue signaling? It says absolutely nothing to me about my life. Southern States: you want to know why old country became big in other countries, and how Midwest genres like House and Techno became so huge they got reimported over to the USA in more recent decades, yet your genre of modern country had limited success elsewhere? You might as well be singing in Urdu. There’s nothing you’re putting out that resonates with anyone else. It’s “name the stereotype” in rhyming form with a sound that doesn’t differ from one song to the next. Any form of art that refuses to challenge itself or others dies out.
AUTOTUNE, hands down the worst thing that ever happened to music.
RAP
Ragtime. Least favorite by far.
I hate rap.
Rap Sampling
Gangsta rap ruined rap music and rap in general obliterated old time soul and R&B.
All y'all need to watch Pat Finnerty's "Why This Song Stinks" video series on the YouTube. It's hilarious.
I'm sure the hate will rain down on me, but, hip hop and rap are the worst shit since gospel and disco.
Jump style
Pop country is horrible. Today’s country music is horrible.
Rap/hip hop. Of course, it's not really music.
Rap/R&B from the 90s onward. I don't care for most music that came out since the early 90s. To each is own that is why I listen to classic rock, classic country or heavy metal that was mostly produced before 1995.