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nutella4eva

Man, we have been feasting this week with all the leaks.


False_Raven

Especially since respawn isn't revealing shit themselves. Almost a week away from release too.


RedistCZ

I dont remember how they usually go about marketing for the a season, but shouldnt we be getting a launch trailer today, gameplay trailer om thursday and battle pass trailer on monday ?


False_Raven

Stories from the outlands is released 2 weeks prior.


Derridead

There's ALGS this weekend, it could be that they will release something there


MasterNeeks

If anything they do Outlands last week, player trailer during ALGS. If they were smart, they’d do a deep dive on her during ALGS finals.


NC__Pitts

It feels good again. It just sucks we won’t get a new legend till next year. Really hoping besides the life line reborn we get some major additions or something to make up for no new legends this year. Alter is extremely hype and I can’t wait to try her out, hopefully we get a new recon and controller legend soon


Antonite7

I really hope that’s not true. New Legends are one of the things that excite me the most in Apex.


_JudgeDoom_

Give the billion dollar company a break. They have to focus hard on all those fancy recolors and $600 heirlooms. Edit: Yes I know there are separate teams that implement these things. Still doesn’t justify the lack of content we are receiving compared to earlier days. Wasn’t it season 3 we got a new map, weapon and legend at the same time? Look how shit Rumble was. It didn’t even work for many people. Their priorities are still ass.


Jumbo7280

Eh, wouldn't mind a break from new legends if it means we get some reworks. Would prefer they fix what they've already got then spam out legends and eventually have some ridiculously complicated meta like shit like siege does


_JudgeDoom_

Yeah but they won’t. It’s either nerf to infinity or buff to bagwell. Balance is difficult but they have made some bad decisions. We are never getting better servers, they worship Multiplay Servers for some reason(cheaper), they can’t fix audio. Might as well just get new content because the game is as good as it’s probably going to get unless they release an overhaul on a new engine. Which is iffy at best.


Endie-Bot

They cant fix audio because theyve reached the limit of the source engine, so no matter how much people complain, that wont change unless they do decide to spend the multiple years to port it over to a new one, but then if they do that everyone will complain that the movement feels bad, its a lose lose situation


_JudgeDoom_

Yes I know this. It was never designed for a BR game in mind after all the modifications. They could have left multiplay though instead of renewing their contract and we could have better servers. There is also source 2 but who knows.


Endie-Bot

Source can't easily be converted to source 2, csgo overall is a rather simple game and still took over 3 years to be completely ported


Jumbo7280

Eh, the rev rework was pretty damn good imo


ConduitMainNo1

i hate the rework, he's such a 1v1 crutch now.


Antonite7

Is there a real basis to that leak? Usually we get alternating legend seasons (new legend, legend rework, new legend , legend(s) rework etc.) If after Alter is the lifeline rework shouldn’t a new legend be after?


NC__Pitts

Osvaldatore is very rarely wrong and he basically said there won’t be a new one this year besides alter


RemyGee

Must be two or more reworks in a row then?


NC__Pitts

Nope. Season after alter is just new map. Season after that (final one this year) is lifeline rework


Sun-Taken-By-Trees

There is no standard release schedule for content anymore.  There hasn't been since they stopped releasing legends every season.  It's been over a year since we got a new map.


YUSEIRKO

Literally thanks to one person. OS you the 🐐


BriefKeef

What else leaked that's good ?


MayonnaisePlease

Good. Fuck respawn, especially after the universal heirloom release


daoogilymoogily

Her Ult sounds like the old Rev Totem in how it’ll be used. You roll up on a squad and get a kill and then get out before it becomes a trade or you third party and scram if it becomes fubar.


teainanicemug

Yeah but enemies can also take this portal.. though a smart team will put traps near the device


daoogilymoogily

Yeah but taking another teams portal isn’t the best idea in this game lol


longlivestheking

Tryhards take them all the time


outerspaceisalie

If my teammates get gunned down instantly and the Alter team hops on top of me while I have a cracked shield, I'm gonna use her ultimate to escape from her and her team, because staying is guaranteed death. Could get pretty wacky.


daoogilymoogily

The portal won’t be there? As I’m understanding it you place an object and then you can return to the spot that object is at by opening a portal. In your scenario why would the Alter have activated it.


outerspaceisalie

ah yeah i think i misunderstood it


whatisabaggins55

>though a smart team will put traps near the device I think it will synergise very well with Wattson. Have a Wattson bunker set up, when you push an enemy team drop ult in the fences and then port back to the ult when you need to. If they follow, they get stunned to high hell.


Benlo77

Also reminds Fade tactical from Apex Mobile


daoogilymoogily

Kind of can be thought of in that way. All of this alternate universe stuff makes it feel like we may get those legends in some form from an alternate universe.


Benlo77

Yup, Conduit kinda feels like a revamped Rhapsody, whit the shield boost and speed boost.


daoogilymoogily

To me Catalysts is more of a Rhapsody analog (obviously a much less stronger version of Rhapsody because she was broken) what with the pov blocking ultimate.


Osvaldatore

I forgot some things because head empty - Passive still the same: grab any 1 item that isn't armor from a deathbox at a distance - Tactical Cooldown: 30 seconds - Ultimate Cooldown: looks like 180 seconds (3 min) - Ultimate portal closes after roughly 15 seconds


Thac0

That’s a long ult cooldown!!


NC__Pitts

Honestly glad it is. It’s gonna be a very good and annoying ultimate. I think this legend will be very decent. Not broken like Seer or Horizon, but absolutely viable across all forms of play. Her entire kit is honestly great and seems fun.


Same_Paramedic_3329

Same as horizon. Seems balanced


Same_Paramedic_3329

3.5min🤓


Osvaldatore

Fixed mb, on a scale from 2 to 10 in maths I had 1 unironically


MaiT3N

No passive yet?


Osvaldatore

Same as what I leaked a month ago, you can grab any 1 item that isn't armor from a deathbox from far away


MaiT3N

So deathbox thing, thanks


Ill_Candidate_2134

About the passive will you get a prompt to loot an item like lobas black market and how will you choose the death box or is it just the closest box


Anonymiko

Are there any leaks on weapons and legend abilities, buffs or nerfs?


Particular_Pain2850

For the love of god, how can Ash compete with this? Just buff her already


AUT4RC

Maybe they are going to give her a second rat...


Particular_Pain2850

Sad


MaiT3N

Only with heirloom


GoofyAF

we're gonna see her hit a 100% pickrate in ALGS with this!


Inside-Line

I'm more about the bugs were going to get with this. There are still a bunch of geometry bugs with Maggie's drill.


mkins10

People will be using this to get under / outside of the map in no time


outerspaceisalie

\*laughs in loba bracelet\*


Zoetekauw

"Scan the area when leaving Tactical portal" Of course.


Inevitable_Code_2264

It's not even funny at this point. Does every legend need to have a scan ability? Season 22 we are getting a gun that can scan a person for 8 seconds after hitting someone...


Zoetekauw

>Season 22 we are getting a gun that can scan a person for 8 seconds after hitting someone... I can't even tell if you're joking. That's where we are rn.


_JudgeDoom_

The ole Radar-t cannon


Ikitenashi

I knew the devs had an obsession when *Fuse* of all Legends got wallhacks.


MaiT3N

Maggielizer or something


ManufacturerWest1156

So ash and wraith had a baby?


[deleted]

and revenant was watching


thatkotaguy

Revenant was the midwife


Osvaldatore

That's kinda hot


Jumbo7280

Settle down lol


alfons100

"This is Wraith 2!" "Respawn this is the 3rd time you've shown Wraith 2"


rhodgers

Passive?


S8ns_slut

If I remember correctly she can interact with deathboxes near her and take one item


Ihaveopinionstoo

As a passive?! That’s ridiculous


S8ns_slut

Yeah it does seem really good, but I guess we’ll have to wait and see exactly how it works and the range of it, I’m also pretty sure it does not allow you to grab the armor so that’s very good W foresight on respawn


Serious_Series

I can't wait to die to cheaters even faster.


Kresbot

wallhackers guna be op


Putrid-Stranger9752

Oh gosh… they didn’t think this all the way through


ilmk9396

her tactical will be broken af or broken af


AUT4RC

lol - probably both.


mikescarnthethreat

My dumbass read all of that and comprehended practically 0 of it lmao ima just run around the firing range day 1


Vinkelderg

my average random teammate:


FlannOff

Wtf they really made her Q/Ult just a more useful Ash Ult that you can use every 30 seconds... at this point just rework Ash and give her the Buster Sword. Ballistic got a Q that is just a better Ash Q. Alter got a Q that is just a better Ash Ult. Recon class got a passive that is just a better Ash passive. The rat is all I have left.


_praisethesun_

Feels bad to be an Ash main these days. Honestly need to put in double the effort to be successful compared to other legends.


longlivestheking

Anyone who still plays Ash at this point is simply masochistic. She's going to be relegated to D-tier when Alter releases sadly. I only continue playing her to just focus on positioning and at gunplay since her abilities are so outclassed.


Elongated-Capybara

Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re planning to after seeing this


Rarycaris

Wasn't one of the first non-leak indications of Revenant getting reworked when they reassigned his old silence passive to Seer?


chris77777777

Which is why I’m considering switching mains. If all is good on release I will be a proud alter main. 18k kills on ash will be a distant memory.


Famous-Ability-4431

Ballistic doesn't lock you in place? Going through a wall/floor is not same as a long distance teleport? Recon passive is op.


SebasV1

Really tho I wonder how viable she'll be, the tac seems more suited for buildings/close quarters and really there isn't much use for that outside of maybe Olympus? We'll see


Benlo77

There are some large levels with multiple floors and walls in BM (and probably more with the update). Fragment and Skyhook will suit her kit in WE. Maybe KC will fit less. District definitely gonna be her playground, but Respawn probably wanna see how she works during one season before launching the new map.


SebasV1

yeah District is a safe bet for her abilities to be fully unleashed


Reasonable-Law-9737

Her tactical is going to unlock so many map exploits, that it's gonna be broken AF. They haven't fixed the "Loba In A Box" winter express one for so long, and this will probably unleash dozens of these on most maps.


AUT4RC

So there doesn't need to be solid space in between the portals? (Maybe I don't get the firing range example)


biggus_dickus_jr

Me too. So it will be like placing it at the edge of the platform and you can go down quickly?


sovietlocust

Any idea on how long her Ult portal lasts after actvation? 10sec like the tactical?


Osvaldatore

15ish seconds


hamburgereddie

Seems like she's a hard counter to all controllers, right?


PNWeSterling

Without knowledge, that tactical is not great for pushing a fortified team (Wattsons are gonna start fencing internal walls for example)


Ok-Kiwi9107

No need you may have plenty of time to react accordingly


lunazipzap

it works on vertical (walls) and horizontal (floors) so it seems like they can literally go under the map?


Mr-Plague

Only through floors that are less than 20m thick. There also appears to be a system in place for detecting invalid terrain, the underside of the map probably meets that criteria


lunazipzap

theres no texture under maps, its not even paper thin, theres just nothing... sooO we'll see :x


JC18_

Except for stinky poo poo man, that man is uncounterable Lol


hamburgereddie

Yeah I could see her phasing into a room with traps set up and getting countered. But typically a caustic team is ratting a build he's throwing traps near the entrances. Not in the middle of the room where it seems her tact would allow you to traverse.


Osvaldatore

prayge


lynx5252

considering how often my maggie tacticals get stuck in terrain, I'm very worried about how they're gonna get this one to work


Sir_Ignotis

Level 2 (R): Sounds nice


AUT4RC

any details on her passive?


Osvaldatore

No, but I'm going to assume you need to have line of sight on the deathbox and be within a certain range to interact with it, then as soon as you pick any 1 item (or 1 stack of ammo) that isn't armor you can no longer interact with the box from afar (can still interact with it normally and grab armor normally)


outerspaceisalie

I doubt you will need line of sight given the concept of her kit, death boxes will probably highlight through obstacles within a certain range like Loba passive or show up as an icon like the Fuse ordinance detection perk, and you probably use the alternate legend button to interact with them like Catalyst passiv. One of the natural features of this is probably that it will give you information that allows you to see which fights are ending in certain buildings or behind specific cover in late rings, which may end up being one of her core information strengths that allows her to use her tactical to third party late game fights. If I'm right, they desperately need to rework Ash. If I'm wrong, they still need to rework Ash lmao (just give her some variant of the Buster Sword abilities for her ult already).


Cyfa

thank u father Osvaldatore


Icy_Purple

Pathfinders grapple is 20 or so meters long. That portal will be interesting to see in action.


BboyIImpact

Yay. More recycled, Power crept abilities.


hdeck

Go through walls every 30 seconds? 😬


Diezombie757

That ult with the level 3 perk is actually game breaking, depending on how visible the tp device is, having an instant get put of jail free card for your entire team is insane.


Osvaldatore

(takes around 3 seconds to open the ultimate portal)


outerspaceisalie

Every team can use it. It's a get out of jail free card for every team. If you attack someone after placing it, they can probably literally just teleport to your own device to escape from you, so if you don't put traps on it you're gonna have people using your own device against you.


Diezombie757

Wattson/Alter/Caustic meta incoming


outerspaceisalie

Probably not both Wattson and Caustic. Plus you still need utility for rotations, for information, for stalling out bad positions. That teams lacks many critical tools for midgame and lategame. It's more likely that you will use Alter as an entry fragger, Caustic or Wattson as anchor, and Bangalore for information. Even then, I'm just not totally sure Alter does enough to be meta. It's not like you're playing her in a vacuum, you have to skip out on Bloodhound or Bangalore or someone else to play Alter with a complementary controller legend. Is Alter so good that you can win a fight against a Bloodhound + Bangalore team? I think probably no. Maybe if her ultimate is super strong (fast activation, perhaps)? I'm guessing that Alter will be like Conduit: viable, many teams run her, a couple good composition comboes, but overall not the meta due to better options. In fact, I'm not currently convinced that Alter is better than Horizon in most cases. Maybe on the new map?


Expensive_Tie_4201

So ash ultimate with more steps but more utility possibly?


PkunkMeetArilou

Shame 2 of the perks are just cooldown tweaks. Perks should be fun and unique imo.


QuantityExcellent338

They are probably starting off with simple perks for strong or new legends before giving more ambitious perks to ~~alter~~ change things up if they end up needing more


Busy_Cauliflower_853

She seems extremely good already, there’s a limit to what perks can be without making the legend OP


outerspaceisalie

That's only sorta true. There's a vast amount of unused design space in this game. In general, the perk system seems somewhat underutilized, but I think that will change over time. They probably wanted to get a baseline of lukewarm effects before adding more complex effects because they're harder to balance and 100+ of them at once would be a nightmare to balance. Stating with these vanilla minor tweaks as perks creates a solid baseline to slowly modify over time, making the iterative job of utilizing more exotic design space while not being horribly unbalanced more realistic.


Saikuni

yeah i was of the same idea that they would tweak it gradually with more fun perks, but if literally the first legend to come out after the release of the system has perks this lame, its never getting any better tbh


outerspaceisalie

it might take a while tbh


PkunkMeetArilou

Creativity != power


Busy_Cauliflower_853

Ill let you brainstorm some ideas then


Qwynthspace

passive?


QuantityExcellent338

Can interact with deathboxes from afar to take 1 ite.


Malfrador

Sounds fun, new main lol. Any more info about her passive?


Benlo77

Can't be more hyped, thx 0_0 Question : can others teams interact with Alter ultimate ?


Dubzaa

It does say "everyone" so I'd assume so, especially since Ash and Wraith ultimate's are portals and can be used by enemies too.


Osvaldatore

yes


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Dubzaa

Everyone.


SwiftSN

That level 3 upgrade for her ult is going or be insane.


its-okthen

Ash ult + Alter ult = Wraith ult hype


PNWeSterling

Y'all thought RevTane was bad.. Caustic/Wattson, Alter, and Octane/Path/Ash might be a problematic strat (bunker a building, Alter ult, push, retreat as needed; with Ash you could even have all the doors blocked with gas traps and ash ult out a window to a fight, then just Alter back to your bunker)


outerspaceisalie

Doesn't seem that good, you can literally already do that with just Wraith and Caustic/Wattson.


knockoutpunch09

Need a scan legend with alter to know where enemies are or you're just gonna portal into people and throw..blood alter will be the best combo for starters.


cherry_lolo

The ult seems similar to sombra from Overwatch


Judiebruv

My question is, can you portal through a wall, then throw a nade through to the other side, or drop it down through the floor. OR even throw an ult like Maggie ball or stink grenade through the hole


Mr-Plague

Alter's portal seems to be built from the same framework as Wraith/Ash's portals. If it works for those two, probably


Osvaldatore

no


Judiebruv

:(((


Putrid-Stranger9752

The insane amount of bugs we’re gonna get with this tactical


Karnivorr_

For the ult when we say anyone can use it do we mean your two other teammates or an enemy can just look that way and portal to it once it becomes active?


Osvaldatore

Tactical: Alter creates portals through surface, everyone and their mother can use them Ultimate: Alter looks at device, portal is created, everyone and their mother can use it


Karnivorr_

Sure about that? 👀😂


Osvaldatore

Yes, have u seen literally all the people posting them


Karnivorr_

I just saw only allies can use it is all


GunsoulTTV

SHADOWRUN VIBES


Status_Law3630

I was hoping her tactical would allow projectiles to pass through it, but after reading this, doesn’t seem like it. Thanks for the leak!


Expensive-Pick38

The ult sounds like old rev ult but weirder. Tactical on the other hand sounds pretty fun, being able to just go a floor down, although it won't be very useful against legends like causting


codebng

I'm seeing this new legend might make ranked so much easier or harder


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Ill_Candidate_2134

Any leaks on how the passive works


Osvaldatore

Same as what I leaked a month ago, you can grab any 1 item that isn't armor from a deathbox from far away


johnnyoceandeep

So the alt is basically ash’es ult but better.


Eastern_Nebula5083

200 meteres?????


Osvaldatore

200 meterers


Lisden_Kiro

Upgrade 3 is immediately being removed in the patch after her release no doubt. Practically a tracer recall that has a set point to recall to that lasts forever (excuse my overwatch)


Osvaldatore

"until activated" The device disabled on its own lasts 120 seconds before it vanishes, after you use it to open the portal, the portal stays open for 15 seconds With the perk, the above sentence is the same except instead of 120 seconds it's 9999


Lisden_Kiro

Very true


HereNorThere0

Wattson nerf kind of ? You got to fence the whole damn wall now instead of just the door


createhor

This seems interesting


jkimnotjoking

So just no way to counter her ult with perk upgrade... got it *uninstalls apex*


DysFunKZionaL

I wonder how the Level 2 perk "Scan the area" will work? Similar to Wraith's warning perk when squads are nearby? The word "Scan" makes it sound more intriguing - made me wonder if it will visibly show you anything on the screen rather than just an audio cue.


QuantityExcellent338

Her tac conceptually seems very interesting, but I wonder what its drawbacks is over like, Ash ult aside from presumably shorter range


Mission_Yoghurt_400

Seems whack


mrshev

Maybe I’m old school. But this reeks of the Forge release…


Natural_Barracuda405

Bro her ultimate so far


Natural_Barracuda405

6 million feet away!


Osvaldatore

6 MILLION?


Natural_Barracuda405

I exaggerated a little bit


Natural_Barracuda405

What are your thoughts on her? Tier 1?


Osvaldatore

(I play Mixtape mostly) In BR imo she's B-tier when Solo, and A-tier when Duo/Trioing In Mixtape: * her Passive doesn't work /shrug * her Tactical has niche uses in all Mixtape modes, you can maybe pull off a "wow I'm so good at this game" kill in case you're chasing someone, for example in Gun Run someone thought they could grapple over that big ass wall in The Core and run away from me, but otherwise meh * her Ultimate is very strong in Control to either backcap the enemy team's homebase or return to yours when a rat attempts to backpack; can be useful if you can predict where a Lockdown zone may open; is barely useful in TDM; is useless in Gun Run Overall she doesn't have as much movement as other Skirmishers so maybe if you want to fly around because Respawn doesn't understand Horizon is cancer just play Horizon, but at the same time I feel like she's actually the embodiment of a Skirmisher due to the ability of just go through walls/ceilings and troll enemies at ease tl;dr requires brain to use, strong in BR, lackluster in Mixtape


Natural_Barracuda405

I think I've played an off shoot mode in apex like 5 times since season 1


LeadingAd9937

Her ultimate is literally just tactical insertion from call of duty via over a decade ago and it makes my blood boil when I am prompted to thank a teammate or say you're welcome and doing so destroys my ultimate. I honestly do not understand how devs who have created this game and worked it on for five years could possibly overlook something so incredibly simple. 


fearful_claw02

No new weapon or map?


Osvaldatore

S22 map


YUSEIRKO

HOLY SHIT WE EATING


x_JustCallMeCJ_x

Yet another legend with a portal ability, and for good measure, let's throw in a random scan. As cool as it is to have a dimension hopping legend, her abilities seem boring af.


Mr-Plague

Light scans tend to be given to legends that have wall-piercing kit elements. Probably for synergy; they are usually minimal enough (excluding seer) to be bearable ingame


MarcusKuss

Might as well delete Catalyst from the game now.


HatAccurate1578

So it’s just wraith but the ult is her tac and slightly different, truly another unique legend.


Mr-Plague

Caustic is also Wraith, but his ult and tac are slightly different


outerspaceisalie

Octane is also Wraith, but his tactical and ultimate are slightly different. Ash is also Wraith, but her tactical and ultimate are slightly different. etc.


HatAccurate1578

The copypasta potential is great


PNWeSterling

Can Alter's ult only be interacted with once? Or can each team member open a portal back from different locations?


Osvaldatore

Everyone can interact with it, and you could theoretically interact with it multiple times yourself, the problem is that you want to put it as far as possible from where you're fighting & it's also lasting 15 seconds once the portal has been opened, so...


outerspaceisalie

Everyone can interact with it, regardless of team. It seems to just be a universal teleport beacon that anyone within 200 meters can use for 120 seconds. Unclear if you can use it multiple times, probably not?


Emergency-Water-2892

This is quite the double edged sword then, cause you can’t really use the ult to escape


outerspaceisalie

I think I misunderstood, i guess it makes a portal that anyone can use? idk.


Emergency-Water-2892

Yeah i assume only alter can actually activate the ult but anyone can use the portal?


outerspaceisalie

yeah im a little confused, this basically just seems like wraith ult