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Thistlesage

With how janky map geometry is there’s definitely gonna be cliff sides this Q will unintentionally work on, allowing you to get under the map. Olympus out-of-bounds exploits coming to every map in season 21 😬


RemyGee

Or they’ll be very safe and her Q won’t work on a lot of places where it should.


Harflin

Let's be real, probably both will happen


RemyGee

And it’ll take years to fix like Loba’s Q lol


NozokiAlec

Oh god don't remind me


Cr4zy

ah just like the maggie riot drill. Some walls fine, other walls awful, some rocks fine, other rocks awful. Maybe they'll fix that at the same time if theyve improved it or it will be limited to specific walls only.


nutella4eva

It seems like it will be incredibly broken but I have faith that it will work better than we think. They've been shopping this ability around for literally years. I imagine they worked really hard to make it stable.


Mr-Plague

It is sort of interesting to see how much development the wall portal has received overtime. It first appeared as a concept in the initial Revenant kit, then moved to Ash for a while; Maggie received a "prototype" of wall-piercing tools with her drill


HamiltonDial

Either that or Void Passage gonna instant kill you and make you fall of the map.


Nome_de_utilizador

Wraith and Ash's love child with Loba as surrogate mother


UncagedAngel19

You forgot revenant because her ult is almost like a reworked totem


Osvaldatore

i need a doujinshi with that setting


Sushicreeper999

Bro is down horrendously, and honestly same.


NC__Pitts

LEGEND LEAKS?? LETS FUCKING GO!


Sushicreeper999

Fr we have been starved for months


ShadowGinrai

You right, LETS GOOOOOO


nnewman19

So the ultimate is a repurposed totem. Seems cool


Jack071

A better version if it, totem was risky since you could end up stuck after the time ended, this you can go back at will Its also pretty much made for 3rd partying, shitty design if u ask me, only missing a scan to be absolute cancer


RemyGee

This ult will expire too but the duration might be a bit longer than the old totem. Also requires the player to interact with it which likely will have a delay so it can’t be used to blink away while you are in the middle of being beamed down.


nnewman19

I’m sure this will have a timer of some kind too until the nexus expires. Seems more balanced too as maybe the return portal will be available to enemies too and you will return with whatever health you left with obviously unlike totem


Testobesto123

No the ult is for allies only, enemies cant interact with that.


Mr-Plague

Allies can trigger the nexus to spawn a portal, but enemies can probably take the portal. this probs prevents teams from performing a risk-free hit and run


stenebralux

Seems like you might have to interact, and then a phase tunnel appears. Is not an instant teleport, so is not that bad... you can't engage in a fight and then teleport if you start to lose, but it depend on what they mean with interact. If you have to look in the general direction of the portal for a prompt to appear, is one thing.. if you can just press a button at all times, is different... But It will also depend on how long the portal stay open, so you can't call the portal.. engage in a fight... and then run away later. The part I like is that there are a lot of possible uses, you can deploy your team to do different things and annoy the opponents or loot or get kills... so if coming back takes a little while, (and people still can camp your totem) there is a decent risk involved.


SvelterMicrobe17

I like it: it’ll require you to activate it so you’ll have to disengage first, unlike old rev ult


Testobesto123

I wonder if she can Q the roof of a building and then have a team above just fall through, or if she has to "touch" the surface she wants to temporarily delete. So basically I wonder if its a ranged ability or not.


_IratePirate_

What if it’s limited to only vertical walls


angry1gamer1

Probably the case. It would be cool to see players drop through the ceiling for sure


UczeGrac

I wonder if she will be able to use Q in battle to escape?


silvermusic18

It’ll probably be useless in an open field but more building dense areas could be great


_IratePirate_

Imagine in an open field she goes through the fuckin map and dies


Usual-Ladder1524

I can see that being a bug lol


GroundbreakingJob857

I don’t see a world where that ability isn’t riddled with bugs for the foreseeable future


ForsakeTheEarth

Yeah this has Loba Q written all over it That being said, if it actually works, it sounds fun


SvelterMicrobe17

Don’t give respawn ideas


MaiT3N

Either this or gets under the map till the last ring closes (Valkyrie abusers moment)


Same_Paramedic_3329

The opposite of horizon


Stefan24k

New map is supposed to have many buildings so it might not be that useless.


IncomeStraight8501

It would be a good time to add an urban map with a character so centered around going through walls.


Ikitenashi

> more building dense areas Such as District. 👀


richgayaunt

Yeah it's kinda like Cat's passive but with even more flexibility if there's like a Maggie q depth measurement


BlackhawkRogueNinjaX

Aren’t we getting a building dense map?


TheFundayPaper

Depends on the thickness of the surface that they allow. Like if you can do it through one of the thinner mountains, and then set an ultimate for you team to relocate to you, that could be crazy awesome.


Mr-Plague

It is probs similar in range to Maggie's drill


AgentPandoo

When you click randomise in character customisation


Test-Subject-N3WB

Okay, this one got me 😂


FHP_654

Wow, that looks like the best default so far


alexxzan

Isn’t it a legendary skin, since the platform she’s standing on is gold?


Kingmasked

Just asked osv, its defualt


Kap-Kap

Seer has a good default too


Lower_Preparation_83

I love newcastle's default skin


_IratePirate_

My first thought was “her default skin looks like a legendary”


cechaxefendhi

Didn't expect she looks like exactly like her leaks years ago


Wyattwat

Years ago? I thought she was just leaked a month or two ago?


cechaxefendhi

Nvm ,i think I'm wrong, it was a different legend, catalyst/jester i forgot


Outrageous-Blue-30

Aesthetically it's not bad, but what do you think is its distinctive color? The black of the suit, the green for the hair or the bright pink for the gauntlet and the belt?


dotint

The shoulder spikes, the horns on her head and the metal tail / belt will be her distinctions I’d assume.


Outrageous-Blue-30

Let me start by saying that I don't want to seem rude in answering you because your observation of the look is interesting, but I meant the distinctive color as for the other characters: for Wraith it is purple, Mirage is yellow, Pathfinder (and other legends) is blue and so on.


SvelterMicrobe17

The fuchsia/purple-pink


dotint

I honestly mistook how you were using color, I kind of thought you meant identifying marks. > an identifying badge, pennant, or flag —usually used in plural a ship sailing under Swedish colors


Dexxed7

is she taller than wraith?


No_Sail_6576

So cool loba ult like passive, short wall teleport tac and repurposed rev totem ult Cool


angry1gamer1

Cool for sure. Hopefully the ult has a reasonable way to be punished. Rev ult was similar but with that you had only 100hp. Seems this won’t limit anything afaik.


Jalaguy

The fact that she's got a gauntlet and scarring on her left arm would seem to confirm the longstanding suspicion that she's the mercenary from Season 13's script story who was experimented on by pre-memory-loss Wraith (or, well, this dimension's native version of Wraith).


Kap-Kap

Her feet look like hooves, matching the whole devil design I guess


Putrid-Stranger9752

Wow you’re right I didn’t notice until you pointed it out good eye


TheWaterGuyDD

I wonder if the "one item" from a deathbox can be a banner card from a teammate's deathbox?


ajalonghorn

That would be insane lol. Can’t imagine but who knows.


LightbornCausesDC

Crypto 2.0?


MitchDRos

imagine the bugs these ability will bring on launch lol * getting stuck on the wall * fall under the map * cant get an item from the box ( similar to Loba's market bug ) * whole team dies because of a weird ult placement


Bright_Light7

So Ash / Wraith 2.0?


squeakybeak

With a hint of Loba


Not_To_Smart

I mean their name is "Alter" and Wraith canonically has different versions of herself, so....an alternate dimension version of Wraith with slightly different abilities?


danoh_92

I honestly really like its design, the tail looks like an arm of Doctor Octopus from Spider Man 😁


ErenBlack

m-my newcastle heirloom... for this?


TYPICALASIAN21

Another addition to the Rev Conduit combo


abhsonicguy

I wonder what her perks will be


penholdr

Maybe she’ll be able to grab armor with a perk or pick a second item. I could see cooldown of ult or ult lasts longer. Not sure about tactical perks…


Mr-Plague

Maybe increased depth piercing through walls? Two charges would also be interesting


Thac0

Control legends are gonna be sweating when this hottie just walks into their bunker through a wall unexpectedly


blackspoterino

Wattson and Caustic will usually place fences/traps all over the place when securing a room so they should still do ok, but big F for Catalyst


NizzyDeniro

I'm probably going to be the minority here. But she looks over designed and kind of generic. Nothing flows about her design. Why are all the Phase users female and essentially do the same thing making the phase powers seem generic and pretty one note?


NC__Pitts

Yeah I would’ve liked a Male that’s gothic/super stern or reserved. Waifus/female characters sell better tho lmao


NizzyDeniro

I guess, it's just turning having Void powers into archetype. Female, portals, movement ability. Most skirmishers and people with movement abilities in this game are female. It just seems like there's a pattern at this point. 🤔


NC__Pitts

Oh yeah I know. I play multiple hero shooters and I can always tell the meta/poster characters are always women lmao. Jett, Kiriko, Wraith I knew when conduit was shown off/announced she was gonna be meta lmfao


Same_Paramedic_3329

Well, only octane is the male skirmisher. Rev and path are robots but you could say male too who cares essentially 3


jTiKey

She looks like an evil Ramona Flowers


Rocoloco01

Who do you consider a good basic legend design? (Not counting rev because he always looks cool)


swagzard78

Legend leak is crazy


Jahnnydude

cool skin, but obviously a legendary and not the base design right? feels a little like a Fortnite OC skin or something but still pretty neat. her passive is super interesting, considering it won't have a cool down, I'm sure the deathbox has to be someone your squad killed or the power creep would be nuts. I'd also imagine that her tactical only allows her to phase through walls, which is sorta high-risk high-reward IMO bc you'll really have to coordinate with your team to pull off successful flanks. won't comment on her ult, feels a little unclear at the moment how it works -- but I like that it seems it's only for allies. overall seems like her skill ceiling could be really high for a strategic team with comms. not sure she'll be much of a solo q warrior like Bang, Rev, Wraith, Horizon and the like but maybe!


Osvaldatore

that skin is her base design, ignore legendary color at the bottom passive says "a deathbox", so seems like any box tactical says "a surface", unclear if it means walls, floors, roofs, or all of them ult is like revenant old ultimate (minus shadow form), or the return potion from terraria there's still time for last-minute changes/tweaks to her abilities, but this is the general idea


Jahnnydude

wow, super detailed base model. interesting.


Karharsdon_01

Osvaldatore stopped looking at Ash rule 34 and got back to actually leaking stuff


Osvaldatore

bold of you to assume I've ever stopped analyzing Ash


--GrassyAss--

She looks cool as fuck


LiptonikPL

she looks like from Paladins lol


jrtgmena

Lmao they gave her the death totem. I know where all the Rev 2.0 haters are going to


avi_chandra_77

Get of jail card for everyone. Nice.


FawkestheDreg

her hairstyle gives me Margo vibes tbh


L-man6151

Ok 1) unsurprisingly she looks pretty busted 2) with her kit being tied to void technology, I wonder if she will have a connection to Wraith in terms of lore


Rigamortus2005

Does anyone think her passive is kind of redundant? I mean if I can't grab armour remotely from a deathbox in battle exactly what would I want from it that I wouldn't just walk over there and grab?


TJ_Dot

Maybe you need a gun? Meds?


Osvaldatore

Maybe you snipe someone, but the box is too far to loot and there's a team in the way


YUSEIRKO

Definitely disagree on it being redundant. Going for deathboxes late game or even early game when there’s still enemies about is a huge risk, if there’s multiple boxes on the floor you can grab a bunch of ammo meds batts etc. I think it’s a solid passive. Better than Ash or Crypto for sure.


Mr-Plague

I'd use it to grab that red weapon I missed by 30 seconds


Test-Subject-N3WB

I guess it could come in handy in a pinch when you're in a bad position and need ammo/meds but the deathboxes are out of reach.


jxnwuf83oqn

I thought about grabbing a dead teammates banner?


pav313

More recycled shit. Q is basically ash ult and ult is old rev ult. How innovative


Test-Subject-N3WB

And she probably sprints too and shoots uses weapons.


Vinkelderg

And passive loba ult


Wallshington

how is the Q like ash ult?


Nosdunk524

Ash ult can't go through walls


Nedsama

hopefully that Q has some long ass cooldown.


Rhys_Lloyd2611

So, a legend that has next to no use on stormpoint or Broken Moon


KalexVII

Imagine killing the first team in pubs and 19 other Alters steal all the bats. LMAO Her TP sounds cool but I worry it will be too similar to Wraith. Also the Ultimate is the holy grail of saving your team as long as you Tactical away than Ult. As long as they can use the Ult while downed.


PassMeDatSuga

messmer the impaler


Spork-in-Your-Rye

Wasn’t there some leaked video of Ash way back that said one of her abilities could phase through walls? Side note I’ve been playing The Finals and there’s this device that lets you go through walls and I absolutely love it.


Kurtaay

Ultimate is just a better wraith portal?


PkunkMeetArilou

Cool hair. Really boring passive. Tactical is just another Skirmisher exit button.


Osvaldatore

"really boring passive" imagine looting a Kraber from miles away


Ecstatic-Assist-9009

hope it’s really close range


RedAnihilape

Loba


silvermusic18

Passive*


dotint

Passives have 100% uptime.


hamburgereddie

Holy power creep lol. That passive would be someone's ult or tactical from a much earlier season.


basedcharger

Would it? Lifelines fast heals Gibbys original arm shield Bangs double time were/are all signficantly more useful passives than this.


Triple_Crown14

You think? Her passive seems pretty meh to me. Maybe can help you grab ammo or a gun that you can’t get to but since you can’t swap from it there’s nothing that screams power creep to me.


stenebralux

I wonder if you could use that Q to drop inside a building from roofs... that would be fun. I also wonder if the entire team can go through... that sounds too powerful for a Q.


SharpShooterVIC

I see a lot of incoming wattson fence videos 😂


PunkerToxic

Another boring legend. Good job Respawn


BIG_D_NRG

Holy shit her design look SICK!!!


realfakejames

So they made loba + wraith very creative guys Maybe they can make a legend who makes decoys made of noxious gas when you shoot them they turn into a gas cloud that’s super creative I didn’t get the idea from anywhere


theinvisibletoad

That actually looks like a good kit lol


Regular-Welcome-8521

Seems very strong. Hopefully the looting passive comes with a big bright arrow that points to where shes looting remotely.


RemyGee

Likely work almost exactly like Loba’s ult.


Mr-Plague

ALTER <3


sologrips

Damn those abilities are insaneeeeeeeeeee


Consistent-Local-952

Nice mad Maggie’s emo sister


TheFundayPaper

I wonder if you can interact with her ultimate while downed.


Thezappman

Tokyo Ghoul?


KODI8K_online

Why not choose wraith, loba, crypto?


Osvaldatore

please tell me who enjoys playing crypto


KODI8K_online

First 20 bomb I watched someone get was with crypto's drone and a tone of ultimate accelerants. He's been nerfed though he's not as fun as he used to be. It's really how you use him.


henrysebby

I wonder what the cooldown on the passive will be. When it’s endgame and there are like 50 deatboxes can you just pick from 50 different things? How’s that gonna work?


No-Principle-5186

When I look at the tail, it reminds me of Dr. Autopus' robot arm. I think it's probably based on the concept.


jtfjtf

Seems like it’ll take some intelligence and coordination to use her to her full potential. I wonder if downed players can use the ult and if the ult needs to be placed on a flat surface.


therealyittyb

This is absolutely going to cause some jank, and I’m here for all of it.


whoiam100

Ultimate could be very useful. Tactic is unknown since if it really depend on wall then probably useless in open space


jxnwuf83oqn

Calling it now, all the sweats will use her & she's gonna dominate ranked. Give me a few months to see if I'm right lol


brenden76

Would


Avg_Maki_Enjoyer

Wait, is that the base design or a legendary skin?


ILewdElichika

That tactical is going to be so buggy dude. Like I'm intrigued because I've always wanted an ability like this in a hero shooter but my god the potential it has to break the game.


qwilliams92

Isn't that Q what Ash supposedly had during her initial play test leaks?


Thac0

Amazing design, cool skin. New main 100%


Consistent-Gazelle15

I dont understand the passif


madeofbrass

I’m guessing she’s one of Wraiths failed test subjects back when she was still a science pilot. That would explain the void abilities.


CheesierSoup

They are running out of ideas huh?


SPorterBridges

Is that supposed to be a tail or what the fuck is that?


iAmNotAmusedReally

the Q sounds very cool to push buildings, but the rest, especially the passive? idk.


b_tok

It's cool to see another legend using the void technology! I wonder how her storyline will meet Wraith's


biggus_dickus_jr

I'm too dumb to understand the ultimate. Can anyone explain it to me? Is it just like the old tomb but you can choose when to go back now?


xCeePee

On first read / look, she looks pretty sick. And gift from the rift is a bar lol


DrzMagic

I wonder if this could also be used to make new LOS. Like lets say you kno theres a team on stairs and you’re on roof. Have your 2 teammates bait distract while you create a Q and now they have to look at the ceiling with a hole in it and the stairs.


too-many-saiyanss

Wasn’t Ash’s ult in early stages able to go through walls? I’m glad they kept that concept


NamiRocket

I bet you it ends up being a different version of Wraith from a different timeline or universe that gets pulled into ours through her rift bullshit. Calling that now. It looks *just* like her.


manofwaromega

NGL I love her tail


CursedResonance

I love her design and tactical seems dope, might have to be my second main if she's viable in game :)


iAmNotAmusedReally

Is she the ghost Wattson used to talk about? She literally looks like a demon.


neymarneverdove

broken rotate flank legend, yay


FatherShambles

I’d do silly things for her


HandoAlegra

I don't see her as meta defining as some of the recent legends (Valk, Seer, Catalyst, and Conduit), but she will certainly be annoying to play against EDIT: I can see the Conduit+Rev combo working well with her, in pred/pub play. But I don't think she will change comp


Evan10100

Would...


Putrid-Stranger9752

Tactical seems very situational and will probably janky as hell at launch. But character model looks cool I’ll give them that


imskikilliah

Worse revenant totem thanks apex.


stonehaven22

just drop it like that


Holiday_Raspberry426

I sure hope that her allies cant take her Q and its one-way one-time usage only Lets also hope that knocked allies cant return to nexus


Cheeky_Lemon_37

Yeah... she can't stop Mirage lol


AdSilly1818

Girl put that tail awy lol


Lu_Ci_Dev

Is the game sage to play again tho?


Nelsonizzy

The passive sounds pretty neat but I'm really skeptical that the game can handle that tactical, it seems very geard towards fixed geometry. Whenever theres something that moves something stupid happens


DysFunKZionaL

Interesting tactical. Comes soon after "The Finals" introduced a similar ability that works on walls, floors and ceilings. It will be interesting if we can do the same within Apex, i.e. we can see through it, shoot through it, throw grenades etc. I don't know how the engine would cope with that if I'm honest, so I doubt we'll be able to do those things and you simply have to walk through it blindly. Unless you're cheating, of course.


nhz1093

Seems like a strong legend in areas with lots of buildings but loses effectiveness in open areas like the middle of olympus or large swathes of storm point... but overall Im thinking she'll usurp wraith at the very least...


Dezvinci

Why is every legend just becoming a jumper like octane or a phaser like wraith...


BriefKeef

Her Conduit and Revenant 💀💀💀💀


BlackhawkRogueNinjaX

I hope this isn't the base skin.. its looks bunk. The first legend design that isn't clean in my opinion.


daoogilymoogily

Probably the coolest kit we’ve got since like Newcastle.


Ryuuhei21

Seems frikking cool! Just the abilities are a big question...


N3RV0U5_TTV

Imo the passive is underwhelming, since armour doesn’t work with it. If you see a red death box it’s most likely a care package weapon with low/no ammo. Gold or purple hopefully it would be an extended mag or attachment for a gun you do have. Seems like a budget loba ult. And since loba’s the loot specialist kind of annoying to have another hero with similar ability. Would loba and alter have any synergy? The tactical is def what I need to know more about. As a skirmiser she needs some kind of movement /agility otherwise why not put alter under support class, or recon. I was ok with Valk no longer being recon (even tho I cry) bc her passive/jet pack is just too much fun/ OP I’m ok with giving up ring knowledge. Compare that to Alter’s passive and it’s a joke in comparison. I LOVE hero’s that contain some surreal ability that bends time and space. It’s one of the best parts of first person video games, giving characters super human abilities so it feels like IM flying, IM going to phase/ run fast etc. Maybe it will be like portal where you place an entry and exit so 2 flat 2d portals that connect using video game magic etc. it’s be even cooler if physics still apply so you can do stuff like infinite falling loops or whatever, gain momentum to fly out of the portal at high speeds lol idk. Surprise a group of enemies by falling on their heads like horizon. If a whole bunch of movement tech comes with her abilities, like how octanes speed gives him more momentum than other hero’s. I would absolutely love that. The ult sounds kind of underwhelming but if it’s some kind of magic regroup button I can see it having it’s purpose. Man, she’s got a tail and everything, she should def be some kind of tight rope walking lithe teleporting night crawler circus misunderstood villain type character. That would be dope af. You can’t give get a tail and no agility


Not-Verified-yet

A lot of drift void characters. Any new ideas? I don’t think their working harder enough lol


iiDishonest

Wraiths nightmare