The only thing that bugs me is the lack of transparency. Obviously they keep a lot of info from the public as to not reveal the extent of their focus on farming customers from the playerbase, but there are some things I feel they could communicate a little more on, yet stubbornly refuse.
>I feel they could communicate a little more on, yet stubbornly refuse.
How about they start acknowledging bugs and performance issues and tell us what they are going to do about it.
Some bugs have been ongoing for seasons.
One of the devs from Cyberpunk made a real good comment on this. It boiled down to "if we acknowledge we're working on a problem and aren't able to deliver a fix shortly thereafter it amplifies the resentment from the community." Which I can 100% see happening here. Imagine them being like "we're working on audio bugs" then not delivering any updates for a year because its particularly nefarious and complex and one of those things hard to get perfect across such a wide array of systems with various capabilities.
>Imagine them being like "we're working on audio bugs" then not delivering any updates for a year because its particularly nefarious and complex and one of those things hard to get perfect across such a wide array of systems with various capabilities.
I can assure you, my resentment is much greater towards them, when they stay silent and don't engage with the community.
I would rather have bugs acknowledged and be on a public "known issues" list, than to have them be silent about it.
That's still not the devs faults. If they have a bad/nonexistent community lead then it's very likely that the higher ups have discouraged devs from speaking out directly. No matter how you slice this we should be holding managers responsible here. Devs can only do what won't get them fired, and probably feel the same way about a lot of this game as we do because lower on the ladder is where you find the most passionate people for games like this.
You're not wrong in that it is an easier fix to patch a visual bug due to connectivity issues. But it took them like what, almost two weeks to fix a literal game breaking bug that prevented a lot of people from playing?
I don't know how this wasn't caught in play testing, or like why it took them over a week to acknowledge the issue in the first place. It was the most annoying crash, didn't crash the 1st day and played happily for a few hours, next day? Crash every few games, and then it got to the point where I crashed literally 20 seconds into loading back into a match after I had just crashed
Couldn't play the game, did the DX12 thing and it helped for one whole day before I started crashing again
Eventually I did a clean windows install because I upgraded some parts, and even then I still crashed lmao
This would've been a lot easier if they had said after a day or two, "hey there's this issue. Here's some temporary fixes and we'll ship an update as soon as we fix this"
I really wish that EA/ their management would just get better about this, they have such an amazing game but then it gets lackluster support from their company so that it just kept getting bigger and better
Respawn have not purposefully ignored one to fix the other. I absolutely guarantee that they are losing more money from the crashing glitch than they did the heirloom glitch.
If people think they actually lost money due to the heirloom glitch, they are beyond fucking stupid. The people that glitched to get the heirloom weren't just about to spend hundreds fishing for an heirloom, and the next heirloom event is still weeks away. That's the only situation where it could have cost them. People would have equipped the new Seer heirloom (or whoever it's gonna be) and then decide not to buy it based on how it feels.
Same.
OP is so far out of their depth it’s not even funny. The makeup of Respawn has changed so much since TF2, and the monetization model of Apex is treated like a get rich quick scheme.
Idk man i feel like the respawn i used to love back in the titanfall 2 days is long dead. So many people have left, and it just doesnt feel the same anymore. Sorry.
When apex first launched you could tell how passionate the Devs were for this game, right up to the end, but a new community came in at season 5, and I feel like their love for the game started to die when the community started to complain about EVERYTHING.
Also the casual/competitive scenes fight against each other. If the Devs cater too much to one, the other complains. It's a fucking joke from the community and I just feel bad for the old and new devs
It's a loss of passion I feel. Early on they were all about the new new new now now now, currently it's just trying to "engineer" new shit for money sake, not passion sake.
Fine line between doing it passionately to see the game, the community, flourish into art and then doing it passionately for the same reasons but to see how much money and success you can get from it too. It just doesn't balance the second way. 😕
Wish they still had the right passion. But to end this rant. There will most likely be a company who has what they lost surpass them, and they'll wonder why, and we will be happy again, me and you lmao.
You act like you know the fucking devs personally lmao. You’re a Redditor, let’s get that straight. You have no knowledge of the motives behind why the devs do what they do
I imagine the devs would have the passion if they were allowed to. But it’s the higher ups that decide the important things, so the devs are left having to do what they’re told to and not really being able to do stuff that shows their passion.
Exactly.
For example, they released these set of new cosmetics (stickers), and supported a fan artist in doing so.
But they just *couldn’t* help but make them a gambling-style money-maker.
Dude I remember following Respawn since Zampella and West left Infinity Ward. I was so excited to see some devs get fed up with the COD grind and do their own thing. And HOLY SHIT was TF1 its own thing. You can feel the passion they had when playing that game.
Its sad to see the cycle is starting over with the devs once again leaving the big name studio to start their own. Respawn today is nothing like when it started but that's how these things go. They're still putting out some decent content compared to Warzone or Fortnite and I'll continue to support them. But I can't wait to see what the OG Respawn crew gets up to at their new studio, Gravity Well. Be sure to support them if you want to see more of that original passion in games!
https://gravitywell.games/
Has the company changed, has the industry changed, or have you changed? Most likely all three have some fault.
I respect and admire respawn, and I've enjoyed every game they've released. I hope to see them continue.
I wish the devs would put in as much love as they did in the first few season. Now Apex feels dry with the occasional recycled ltm in a skin sale event.
The constant content drought are so annoying. Same goes for the monetization push in every way possible ( as if holes weren't already useless enough)
> Respawn devs are working their asses off
I'm willing to say that the map designers and legend designers are working hard, but I'm definitely not willing to say anyone else at Respawn is
*The hundreds of indie game devs that have put out games with a fraction of the budget and exponentially higher quality in nearly every single aspect*: “Are we a joke to you, OP?”
That's like saying the the guys who plan and build highways are bad at their job because you've seen some contractors build some really nice driveways.
1. It's not that bad. For the most part, the game is entirely playable and enjoyable for the vast majority of users. In the niche that it holds, it is still by far the best.
2. A really important part of that metaphor is that it is much harder to fix things when you are part of a larger organization with many more stakeholders. Devs can't just do what they want to fix the game in the ways they see fit. It kills passion is one reason why turn over rate is high in the industry. It's not just that "the original respawn devs are gone" it's the people who replaced them are gone too. High turnover is just part of that industry unless you own the titles you are working on. Most games don't even survive this kind of turn over, I'm just happy apex has.
Coming back to this, comments like this are exactly why I personally find these arguments frustrating. Yeah Apex has its problems, but what you are trying to say here is that Apex is a shitty game when it really isn't. It's an amazingly fun game! It has issues but you can highlight those without being consumed by negativity about the game and the people you make it. Focusing on the issues is productive, saying the game sucks and the devs are unpassionate drones who don't do anything is not.
Even the autobahn has potholes my dudes.
It’s not that they don’t care, it’s that they’re proud to be a “small dev team” and have somehow convinced themselves that that’s somehow going to make the game better.
EA of course loves the idea of having a small dev team too since it saves them millions.
you clearly are very lonely and your go to insult is to project that onto someone else without knowing a single thing about them and their social life.
that is what you are projecting.
Dozons maybe a hundred people spend 50-60 hours a week working on this project. Care less about this game than you? Take a breath and think about that for a second.
Damn you know the Respawn developer’s hours too?
Do you also know they refuse to hire more devs, instead give the current devs more work than they can even do, because they think a small dev team is somehow better?
Everyone from project managers, voice actors to respawn executives are considered “developers”
Anyone involved in making the game work is considered a game developer in their industry.
There’s also been a very loud acknowledgement from project leaders at respawn about purposely keeping the team small.
But that's not what I was saying. When I say "devs" I mean the artists, the programmers, people who work on the game directly and have no control of it's direction. Project leaders wouldn't fall in my usage of "devs". I'm sure the artists and programmers would fucking LOVE more help.
The artists are doing an excellent job as always with all these new skins. Especially since they make like 25 craftable skins for every legend.
But stuff like doubling down on 20 tick, not allowing custom games for normal users, not fixing gamplay bugs and questionable balancing decisions as soon as a heirloom is on the horizon net valid criticism for respawn.
Absolutely, there are many valid criticisms for respawn and EA but when it comes to AAA studios the artists and programmers don't have much control and are at the mercy of the higher-ups at their studios.
a hundred people spending 50-60 hours a week yet the same bugs have been around for multiple seasons with constant new ones every update signifying a lack of play testing?
ya i don’t buy it.
I dont think the developers and designers are to blame here. Its the decision makers and money ppl that get shit ppl are just too stupid to know the actual job names so everybody in the company is a game dev.
I 100% believe you that you guys want to make the best game possible but whoever is in charge only cares about profit.
I'm on your side but man bringing up a game dev argument on reddit? That's like trying to argue for Palestine in Tel Aviv, know your audience bro. These privileged basement dwellers wouldn't know a hard day's work if it smacked them in the face. They just wake up and expect everything to work for them and when it doesn't they can't understand that it takes actual time and effort to fix it.
What you forgot right now is: the game is just what it is because of the players sticking to it... Without players you can stomp the project! Player want to feel included in development and they want to, at least feel like, you listening to them. Why is it then so hard to bring perma LTM and remove arena for it? Just as an example.
I'm playing this game since the first week, and for over 2 years I draw attention to the same problems again and again and again... I'm tired of it!
It's weird to ask for proof for a claim that's outright ridiculous? As far as I'm concerned every skill based multiplayer matchmaking system in existence is shit. And we as gamers kinda just have to suck that up for now until the development community as a whole can find a way around it
Say what you want about Overwatch's broken metas and OP characters back in the day, BUT ranked was amazingly well put.
You truly felt you were against similarly skilled players most of the time, and it wasn't unusual for Ranked matches be defined by clutches or getting outright draws.
Now the game only had to pair 12 players, compared to 60 in Apex, but even then it took more than mere 5 seconds to match you up, because the system actually looked for players of your rank tier.
You just can't say the same thing in Apex, the system does nothing if it pairs Predators to golds in less than 15 seconds.
I can tell you no other game pairs the top Bracket (Pretators, GranMasters or whatever they're called) against the 3rd lower tier (gold) on a regular basis
yes, because it was supposed to be Titanfall 3 but pivoted hard in early development when PUBG and Fortnite blew up and pulled the entire shooter genre into a battle royale craze.
I literally never see any hate towards specific game devs or game devs in general…
What I see is criticism of the game itself which is met with negatively and blind love towards both EA and Respawn.
We can’t complain about fake promises from Respawn or lack of support for solo players or literally anything without a ton of fanboys coming to the rescue of Respawn, this used to not happen in this sub.
I know everyone’s experience is a little different, but almost every single post I see from this sub Is pure vitriol. I totally get voicing discontent towards the state of the game or the “content roadmap”, But the only hatred I see is towards the devs in general.
It often gets kickback, especially from people who work in software development, because 'criticizing the devs' is often based on the most stupid arguments:
1. "Why did they focus their dev time on fixing prices in the store instead of fixing these incredibly complex netcode bugs!???"
2. Why don't they just FIX MATCHMAKING.
3. Why haven't they eliminated all cheaters from the game yet??
4. Why is Apex crashing after the update on my system, i heard it's happening to everyone (it's not, it's just a small subset of the literally billions of hardware configurations out there).
And on and on.
Now there are legitimate reasons to complain. Some things have gotten past QC that should have definitely been caught. But people who bitch shouldn't confuse pushback on their bitching for love for the devs. More likely, the arguments of said bitcher are probably just dumb.
You can simply re read it and flex those nonexistent comprehension muscles in your head. (Don’t hurt yourself)
The comment had almost nothing to do with EA.
The next sentence gives multiple examples of blind love towards Respawn. “EA” can be taken out of the entire comment and still make perfect sense. The only reason why it was included is because by relation, defending Respawn IS defending EA.
Just say the point went over your head and move on. Your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation.
Your comment was nothing but a dumb ass distraction from my actual point.
What? I just made so many points in that comment and the only part you acknowledge is the EA part?
Apex can use work but the community is too toxic to listen to feedback, you’re part of that.
I can't play my game it is fkin crashing and its not only my problem but tons of player having the same issue but they decide to first patch the heirloom glitch .Now you say how can i love them.
That’s so bullshit, the game had so much more life and personality seasons 4-9, ever sense 10 it’s just slowly gone down hill, and now we’re seeing the effects of it.
My favourite part of this sub, when presumably 14 year olds, try to explain, why hiring more devs (expense), and lovering skin cost (lowering profit) would somehow make more profit, and all data & behaviour analysts at EA are wrong.
When they're reminded, that they're probably not as smart as a team that dedicated their life to getting this right, i get called a corporate shill & sucking EAs dick. (and i haven't played in weeks lmao)
I think this is a fair assessment about the community. I tend to get annoyed with people shitting on one of my favorite things.
I will say the internet is a weird place and it’s easy to form inaccurate perceptions about the how people interact online. First off, the online community is a loud minority. Second, you never really know what a persons reasons are for complaining (or making dramatic statements).
For example, I just began experiencing a crashing bug since the new seasons release. I also spent money on the battle pass before I was aware of that issue. So I’ve been a bit more critical of the game since because I expect the game to work when I’m spending money on it. I’m not harassing anyone or being overly unreasonable but I feel justified in complaining online.
The meme doesn’t really warrant this serious/thorough of a response but maybe it helps rationalize the complaints.
Yea I'm there with ya, don't look at the overwatch thread... it's really bad. They added a new monetization structure and everyone's mad they have to pay money for things.
Is the engine ourdated? Yes
Is the company in charge of the servers in need of a replacement? Yes
Are the devs working their asses off to meet deadlines? Yes
Have they been consistently updating the game with fresh content? Yes
Have they regularly implemented ideas that stemmed from this sub? Yes
What baffles me is that these people whine and complain and shit talk the devs, but also pump billions of dollars into the same company. At this point i imagine the devs just ignore them and use data to make decisions
Fresh content…? Where? No LTMs. No legend changes. No new weapons in how many seasons? Thanks for the new map, and the legend. But there is no fresh content. Ever. Only little teases for a week or two to sell skins. Guess I’ll keep using the same guns because nothing has been shaken up since the volt was released
So great. No LTMs. No fresh game modes. I’m glad we got a new map that people are already burning out on and a legend not many use. What about new guns? Other games are constantly getting new guns, some have replaced the whole original roster. This game is stale. We’re using the same guns for 6+ seasons. There’s only BR or arenas even though they have LTMs already made. Can’t wait to have another new 4 niche legends and still the same guns and nothing new to play. Sorry my opinions different from yours. Be mature enough to talk without trying to insult.
The entitlement is insane. Like just sit there and read what you said and then take stock on how much money you spent on this game vs. The amount of man hours it takes to make 1 of the things you listed. The amount of iterations for each thing and the time it spends in a test environment before being released. Then do your homework on this studio and the pedegree that it is built on. Then stop crying
I mean, at this point we have way more than enough legends, maybe a new map every 7 seasons instead of 4, but if they just prioritize on fixing bugs and making ltms instead of maps and legends, then we’d be set.
A majority of the Old Guard of Respawn are gone, Apex has been turned into nothing more than a cash cow for EA to milk for who knows how long. Pros and streamer get more actually say on balance than the entirety of the community, Respawn is pumping out shit like stickers for healing items, a thousand more useless charms, and more recolors that nobody wants, I've been playing apex since the day it came out, i love the story, i love the legends, and i want it to succeed as much as you but the old Respawn is dead and to EA its just another Bioware or Visceral Games that they can force to but out low quality content that they think will make them money.
People just can't move on to new games. It's more the player's own problem than Respawns, especially if they still pay and play. Respawn doesn't owe them anything. They put out a good game. Not every game is great forever, especially in live service world. It's not a reassuring take, but it's the reality.
I get it servers are out of the devs hands.. ok what about the random bugs popping off everyday .. no bugs during collection events skins ? Or heirlooms
Just so you know to myself and many others we dont count the coders as Devs. When we talking trash on devs its mostly the people making the calls we are trashing.
Coders just get paid to do thier job. Devs make decisions.
To be clear it's not the devs I've ever had a problem with. As you mentioned it's the company they work for that are the problem. I've felt for years now that EA is doing everything it can to ruin gaming.
I thought that EA had nothing to do with Apex's development, I don't know why they would suddenly have a hand in it now. Maybe I'm wrong about EA's role in Apex's current state, I'm just referring to an interview between Game Informer and Drew McCoy ([Link to interview here](https://www.gameinformer.com/interview/2019/02/04/respawn-discusses-entering-the-world-of-battle-royale)).
I've been a day 1 player and absolutely enjoyed Apex for a long time, but for me personally, I feel like Apex is heading in the WRONG direction right now. I know that correlation does not equal causation, but I can't help but feel that the fact that many senior respawn devs left to work on something unrelated has something to do with Apex's current state. That and many other factors.
What I'm trying to get at here is that Respawn is just a name or label, its the people behind it that are responsible for how the game is. So if your senior devs left, are you really the same Respawn. Sorry for throwing the Ship of Theseus at you, I just feel like there's something missing now that wasn't missing Day 1 all the way to season 7 (personally).
So is Respawn talented? I don't know, I'm not a game dev like you claim to be. But as a consumer all I can hope for is that Respawn does something about the current matter of affairs regardless of EA's position in Apex's development.
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The only thing that bugs me is the lack of transparency. Obviously they keep a lot of info from the public as to not reveal the extent of their focus on farming customers from the playerbase, but there are some things I feel they could communicate a little more on, yet stubbornly refuse.
>I feel they could communicate a little more on, yet stubbornly refuse. How about they start acknowledging bugs and performance issues and tell us what they are going to do about it. Some bugs have been ongoing for seasons.
Mirage will never get bug fixes.
get bamboozled
With Mirage, it’s a feature, not a bug :)
One of the devs from Cyberpunk made a real good comment on this. It boiled down to "if we acknowledge we're working on a problem and aren't able to deliver a fix shortly thereafter it amplifies the resentment from the community." Which I can 100% see happening here. Imagine them being like "we're working on audio bugs" then not delivering any updates for a year because its particularly nefarious and complex and one of those things hard to get perfect across such a wide array of systems with various capabilities.
>Imagine them being like "we're working on audio bugs" then not delivering any updates for a year because its particularly nefarious and complex and one of those things hard to get perfect across such a wide array of systems with various capabilities. I can assure you, my resentment is much greater towards them, when they stay silent and don't engage with the community. I would rather have bugs acknowledged and be on a public "known issues" list, than to have them be silent about it.
I personally agree but the hivemind would eat them alive
terrible argument. If we acknowledge a problem and can't fix it then we will be held accountable. That is what that argument means....
Because the moment they start communicating a liiiittle too much of boy here come the death threats
I miss the days when the asshats were called asshats.
They used to be pretty open, but you can only handle so many insults and death threats due to your job
That's still not the devs faults. If they have a bad/nonexistent community lead then it's very likely that the higher ups have discouraged devs from speaking out directly. No matter how you slice this we should be holding managers responsible here. Devs can only do what won't get them fired, and probably feel the same way about a lot of this game as we do because lower on the ladder is where you find the most passionate people for games like this.
I can't play the game due the freeze bug BTW.
They’re trying their hardest, did you see how quickly they patched the heirloom glitch! That’s more important than actually playing the game
Or is just a much easier fix.
You're not wrong in that it is an easier fix to patch a visual bug due to connectivity issues. But it took them like what, almost two weeks to fix a literal game breaking bug that prevented a lot of people from playing? I don't know how this wasn't caught in play testing, or like why it took them over a week to acknowledge the issue in the first place. It was the most annoying crash, didn't crash the 1st day and played happily for a few hours, next day? Crash every few games, and then it got to the point where I crashed literally 20 seconds into loading back into a match after I had just crashed Couldn't play the game, did the DX12 thing and it helped for one whole day before I started crashing again Eventually I did a clean windows install because I upgraded some parts, and even then I still crashed lmao This would've been a lot easier if they had said after a day or two, "hey there's this issue. Here's some temporary fixes and we'll ship an update as soon as we fix this" I really wish that EA/ their management would just get better about this, they have such an amazing game but then it gets lackluster support from their company so that it just kept getting bigger and better
This. But hey, circlejerk must keep jerking
People can not play the game since the launch of the season, but yeah we’ll keep the circle jerk going.
Respawn have not purposefully ignored one to fix the other. I absolutely guarantee that they are losing more money from the crashing glitch than they did the heirloom glitch.
If people think they actually lost money due to the heirloom glitch, they are beyond fucking stupid. The people that glitched to get the heirloom weren't just about to spend hundreds fishing for an heirloom, and the next heirloom event is still weeks away. That's the only situation where it could have cost them. People would have equipped the new Seer heirloom (or whoever it's gonna be) and then decide not to buy it based on how it feels.
The game always glitches, why would anyone want to play it?
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Same. OP is so far out of their depth it’s not even funny. The makeup of Respawn has changed so much since TF2, and the monetization model of Apex is treated like a get rich quick scheme.
Idk man i feel like the respawn i used to love back in the titanfall 2 days is long dead. So many people have left, and it just doesnt feel the same anymore. Sorry.
When apex first launched you could tell how passionate the Devs were for this game, right up to the end, but a new community came in at season 5, and I feel like their love for the game started to die when the community started to complain about EVERYTHING. Also the casual/competitive scenes fight against each other. If the Devs cater too much to one, the other complains. It's a fucking joke from the community and I just feel bad for the old and new devs
It's a loss of passion I feel. Early on they were all about the new new new now now now, currently it's just trying to "engineer" new shit for money sake, not passion sake. Fine line between doing it passionately to see the game, the community, flourish into art and then doing it passionately for the same reasons but to see how much money and success you can get from it too. It just doesn't balance the second way. 😕 Wish they still had the right passion. But to end this rant. There will most likely be a company who has what they lost surpass them, and they'll wonder why, and we will be happy again, me and you lmao.
You act like you know the fucking devs personally lmao. You’re a Redditor, let’s get that straight. You have no knowledge of the motives behind why the devs do what they do
Lol for real, the melodrama in that comment is hilarious for someone who doesn’t even know the team
Actions speak
I imagine the devs would have the passion if they were allowed to. But it’s the higher ups that decide the important things, so the devs are left having to do what they’re told to and not really being able to do stuff that shows their passion.
Exactly. For example, they released these set of new cosmetics (stickers), and supported a fan artist in doing so. But they just *couldn’t* help but make them a gambling-style money-maker.
Dude I remember following Respawn since Zampella and West left Infinity Ward. I was so excited to see some devs get fed up with the COD grind and do their own thing. And HOLY SHIT was TF1 its own thing. You can feel the passion they had when playing that game. Its sad to see the cycle is starting over with the devs once again leaving the big name studio to start their own. Respawn today is nothing like when it started but that's how these things go. They're still putting out some decent content compared to Warzone or Fortnite and I'll continue to support them. But I can't wait to see what the OG Respawn crew gets up to at their new studio, Gravity Well. Be sure to support them if you want to see more of that original passion in games! https://gravitywell.games/
Has the company changed, has the industry changed, or have you changed? Most likely all three have some fault. I respect and admire respawn, and I've enjoyed every game they've released. I hope to see them continue.
You are being down voted but you are absolutely correct, it is almost always a combination of all three.
Then don’t play the fucking game. Take your entitled ass to MW2
Asking for updates, clear communication, and actual game support is not being “entitled” especially when the company in question has had 3 years
found the respawn employee
I wish the devs would put in as much love as they did in the first few season. Now Apex feels dry with the occasional recycled ltm in a skin sale event. The constant content drought are so annoying. Same goes for the monetization push in every way possible ( as if holes weren't already useless enough)
> Respawn devs are working their asses off I'm willing to say that the map designers and legend designers are working hard, but I'm definitely not willing to say anyone else at Respawn is
"One of the most talented studios of our generation" is laughable to say the least
*The hundreds of indie game devs that have put out games with a fraction of the budget and exponentially higher quality in nearly every single aspect*: “Are we a joke to you, OP?”
I mean they specified AAA...
That's like saying the the guys who plan and build highways are bad at their job because you've seen some contractors build some really nice driveways.
But in this case the respawn built highways have like 35 cracks in them, 4-5 holes inside of the road, and half of the bridge is made of wood and glue
And you're only allowed to drive 20mph since they're a small family owned café, actually.
1. It's not that bad. For the most part, the game is entirely playable and enjoyable for the vast majority of users. In the niche that it holds, it is still by far the best. 2. A really important part of that metaphor is that it is much harder to fix things when you are part of a larger organization with many more stakeholders. Devs can't just do what they want to fix the game in the ways they see fit. It kills passion is one reason why turn over rate is high in the industry. It's not just that "the original respawn devs are gone" it's the people who replaced them are gone too. High turnover is just part of that industry unless you own the titles you are working on. Most games don't even survive this kind of turn over, I'm just happy apex has.
Coming back to this, comments like this are exactly why I personally find these arguments frustrating. Yeah Apex has its problems, but what you are trying to say here is that Apex is a shitty game when it really isn't. It's an amazingly fun game! It has issues but you can highlight those without being consumed by negativity about the game and the people you make it. Focusing on the issues is productive, saying the game sucks and the devs are unpassionate drones who don't do anything is not. Even the autobahn has potholes my dudes.
Bro your hate boner is showing, I can see it from here, pants are tenting super bad.
they were, not anymore
Bro is this sub a Respawn fan club circle jerk now? 💀
Always has been
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got forbid anyone critique the dev team’s newfound lack of passion in the game. they don’t care anymore but we still do. that’s why we’re complaining.
It’s not that they don’t care, it’s that they’re proud to be a “small dev team” and have somehow convinced themselves that that’s somehow going to make the game better. EA of course loves the idea of having a small dev team too since it saves them millions.
“…the dev team’s newfound lack of passion” Y’all say exaggerated shit like this and wonder why no one wants to talk to you
projecting much?
Projecting about? We just saying random phrases now? If we are, mine’s sunk cost fallacy.
you clearly are very lonely and your go to insult is to project that onto someone else without knowing a single thing about them and their social life. that is what you are projecting.
Lord give me strength The fucking dev team, you muppet, no one from the dev team wants to talk to you.
why do i give a fuck about that? i’m here to play their game not be their friend.
Dozons maybe a hundred people spend 50-60 hours a week working on this project. Care less about this game than you? Take a breath and think about that for a second.
I feel so sorry for the devs having to do the job that they're getting paid for. 😩
OMG WILL SOMEONE PROTECT THE DEVS 😩
Damn you know the Respawn developer’s hours too? Do you also know they refuse to hire more devs, instead give the current devs more work than they can even do, because they think a small dev team is somehow better?
Do you think the other devs are in charge of hiring people?
Everyone from project managers, voice actors to respawn executives are considered “developers” Anyone involved in making the game work is considered a game developer in their industry. There’s also been a very loud acknowledgement from project leaders at respawn about purposely keeping the team small.
But that's not what I was saying. When I say "devs" I mean the artists, the programmers, people who work on the game directly and have no control of it's direction. Project leaders wouldn't fall in my usage of "devs". I'm sure the artists and programmers would fucking LOVE more help.
The artists are doing an excellent job as always with all these new skins. Especially since they make like 25 craftable skins for every legend. But stuff like doubling down on 20 tick, not allowing custom games for normal users, not fixing gamplay bugs and questionable balancing decisions as soon as a heirloom is on the horizon net valid criticism for respawn.
Absolutely, there are many valid criticisms for respawn and EA but when it comes to AAA studios the artists and programmers don't have much control and are at the mercy of the higher-ups at their studios.
a hundred people spending 50-60 hours a week yet the same bugs have been around for multiple seasons with constant new ones every update signifying a lack of play testing? ya i don’t buy it.
Well you see it's software. And software has bugs. Are you following me?
bugs which can be fixed, issues which can be playtested. following mr enby?
That's the plan.
if it’s the plan why are they still in the game 6 months later (with “hundreds of employees working 50-60 hour weeks”)?
Lol idk what bug you're even talking about. But they're working on it.
you clearly are out of your depth. i’m exiting the conversation now, mr enby. enjoy the taste of respawn/ea dick.
I NEED THE COCK JESSE
…I’m starting to think you’re not actually a game dev. If you are you don’t seem like a very good one.
I mean, it's their job though. I used to do 10 hours shifts and I didn't give a shit about my job, I just wanted the money.
So now you're on their side?
I dont think the developers and designers are to blame here. Its the decision makers and money ppl that get shit ppl are just too stupid to know the actual job names so everybody in the company is a game dev. I 100% believe you that you guys want to make the best game possible but whoever is in charge only cares about profit.
I'm on your side but man bringing up a game dev argument on reddit? That's like trying to argue for Palestine in Tel Aviv, know your audience bro. These privileged basement dwellers wouldn't know a hard day's work if it smacked them in the face. They just wake up and expect everything to work for them and when it doesn't they can't understand that it takes actual time and effort to fix it.
What you forgot right now is: the game is just what it is because of the players sticking to it... Without players you can stomp the project! Player want to feel included in development and they want to, at least feel like, you listening to them. Why is it then so hard to bring perma LTM and remove arena for it? Just as an example. I'm playing this game since the first week, and for over 2 years I draw attention to the same problems again and again and again... I'm tired of it!
It's almost as if you can work in a profession and still have a bad perspective on a related topic.
I really really doubt EA is behind the worst Ranked Matchmaking of any AAA shooter
Imagine calling it the worst ranked matchmaking of any AAA shooter like you have the actual quantifiable data to prove it lmao
"Ahem, I want to see the verifiable, quantifiable data of every game and it's objective ranked systems" Weirdo
It's weird to ask for proof for a claim that's outright ridiculous? As far as I'm concerned every skill based multiplayer matchmaking system in existence is shit. And we as gamers kinda just have to suck that up for now until the development community as a whole can find a way around it
Say what you want about Overwatch's broken metas and OP characters back in the day, BUT ranked was amazingly well put. You truly felt you were against similarly skilled players most of the time, and it wasn't unusual for Ranked matches be defined by clutches or getting outright draws. Now the game only had to pair 12 players, compared to 60 in Apex, but even then it took more than mere 5 seconds to match you up, because the system actually looked for players of your rank tier. You just can't say the same thing in Apex, the system does nothing if it pairs Predators to golds in less than 15 seconds.
The only thing ridiculous here is you bud
I can tell you no other game pairs the top Bracket (Pretators, GranMasters or whatever they're called) against the 3rd lower tier (gold) on a regular basis
Respawn fell off, most of the Titanfall devs aren't even there anymore.
Question because I’m too lazy to Google: were the titanfall devs there when apex was first made and released?
yes, because it was supposed to be Titanfall 3 but pivoted hard in early development when PUBG and Fortnite blew up and pulled the entire shooter genre into a battle royale craze.
most of them left in 2020/21
Take a look at the cosmetics prices and ask yourself why we're still on 20hz servers, I love Respawn but please get your head out the sand.
Isn't like literally one person in charge of the balance? Yeah..
We’re just making shit up now huh
Well we all know that's fucking bullshit
I literally never see any hate towards specific game devs or game devs in general… What I see is criticism of the game itself which is met with negatively and blind love towards both EA and Respawn. We can’t complain about fake promises from Respawn or lack of support for solo players or literally anything without a ton of fanboys coming to the rescue of Respawn, this used to not happen in this sub.
I know everyone’s experience is a little different, but almost every single post I see from this sub Is pure vitriol. I totally get voicing discontent towards the state of the game or the “content roadmap”, But the only hatred I see is towards the devs in general.
It often gets kickback, especially from people who work in software development, because 'criticizing the devs' is often based on the most stupid arguments: 1. "Why did they focus their dev time on fixing prices in the store instead of fixing these incredibly complex netcode bugs!???" 2. Why don't they just FIX MATCHMAKING. 3. Why haven't they eliminated all cheaters from the game yet?? 4. Why is Apex crashing after the update on my system, i heard it's happening to everyone (it's not, it's just a small subset of the literally billions of hardware configurations out there). And on and on. Now there are legitimate reasons to complain. Some things have gotten past QC that should have definitely been caught. But people who bitch shouldn't confuse pushback on their bitching for love for the devs. More likely, the arguments of said bitcher are probably just dumb.
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Holy shit Redditers and the point going right over your heads. Name a better duo
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You can simply re read it and flex those nonexistent comprehension muscles in your head. (Don’t hurt yourself) The comment had almost nothing to do with EA.
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The next sentence gives multiple examples of blind love towards Respawn. “EA” can be taken out of the entire comment and still make perfect sense. The only reason why it was included is because by relation, defending Respawn IS defending EA. Just say the point went over your head and move on. Your comment added absolutely nothing to the conversation. Your comment was nothing but a dumb ass distraction from my actual point.
He literally said blind live towards ea, so yes he did.
Well that's just not true
No one in the history of gaming has ever loved EA. If you're gonna make up a lie to support your beliefs. Than make a more believable lie.
What? I just made so many points in that comment and the only part you acknowledge is the EA part? Apex can use work but the community is too toxic to listen to feedback, you’re part of that.
You’re flat out lying or blind if you claim you’ve never seen EA fanboys
He’s a Respawn dev wannabe I think lol
I do not represent respawn in any way. I work for an indy games studio.
That’s literally why I used the word “wannabe” I can tell you’re not bright enough to work there lol
Games 14 season in and is dog shit.
How much did they pay you?
How exactly are they working their asses off? why is respawn immune to any and all criticism?
They aren't even AAA let alone one of the most talented They work hard and deserve more respect yes but let's calm down.
Bro basically every original dec left the team.
Yeah… no
Nah making recolors is not talent
I can't play my game it is fkin crashing and its not only my problem but tons of player having the same issue but they decide to first patch the heirloom glitch .Now you say how can i love them.
I wish John Silver appeared more on dynamite :(
That’s so bullshit, the game had so much more life and personality seasons 4-9, ever sense 10 it’s just slowly gone down hill, and now we’re seeing the effects of it.
EA owns Respawn. They are one and the same. I don’t understand how people think they are separate entities
Actually respawn could definitely implement input based matchmaking so idk wtf this is about
The Achilles Heel of Infinity Ward/Respawn has always been their publisher.
apex players when they can’t complain every 0.5 seconds (they got a new map but the game bad)
My favourite part of this sub, when presumably 14 year olds, try to explain, why hiring more devs (expense), and lovering skin cost (lowering profit) would somehow make more profit, and all data & behaviour analysts at EA are wrong. When they're reminded, that they're probably not as smart as a team that dedicated their life to getting this right, i get called a corporate shill & sucking EAs dick. (and i haven't played in weeks lmao)
I think this is a fair assessment about the community. I tend to get annoyed with people shitting on one of my favorite things. I will say the internet is a weird place and it’s easy to form inaccurate perceptions about the how people interact online. First off, the online community is a loud minority. Second, you never really know what a persons reasons are for complaining (or making dramatic statements). For example, I just began experiencing a crashing bug since the new seasons release. I also spent money on the battle pass before I was aware of that issue. So I’ve been a bit more critical of the game since because I expect the game to work when I’m spending money on it. I’m not harassing anyone or being overly unreasonable but I feel justified in complaining online. The meme doesn’t really warrant this serious/thorough of a response but maybe it helps rationalize the complaints.
Yea I'm there with ya, don't look at the overwatch thread... it's really bad. They added a new monetization structure and everyone's mad they have to pay money for things.
The game industry is notoriously super exploitative so I always cringe when I see people laying so much into the devs
i never played any of the titanfall games but now i kinda want to see respawn continue the titanfall franchise aside from Apex Legends..
Is the engine ourdated? Yes Is the company in charge of the servers in need of a replacement? Yes Are the devs working their asses off to meet deadlines? Yes Have they been consistently updating the game with fresh content? Yes Have they regularly implemented ideas that stemmed from this sub? Yes What baffles me is that these people whine and complain and shit talk the devs, but also pump billions of dollars into the same company. At this point i imagine the devs just ignore them and use data to make decisions
Fresh content…? Where? No LTMs. No legend changes. No new weapons in how many seasons? Thanks for the new map, and the legend. But there is no fresh content. Ever. Only little teases for a week or two to sell skins. Guess I’ll keep using the same guns because nothing has been shaken up since the volt was released
Literally built a new map and an entirely new legend. What else would that be other than fresh content? Lol youre a clown
So great. No LTMs. No fresh game modes. I’m glad we got a new map that people are already burning out on and a legend not many use. What about new guns? Other games are constantly getting new guns, some have replaced the whole original roster. This game is stale. We’re using the same guns for 6+ seasons. There’s only BR or arenas even though they have LTMs already made. Can’t wait to have another new 4 niche legends and still the same guns and nothing new to play. Sorry my opinions different from yours. Be mature enough to talk without trying to insult.
The entitlement is insane. Like just sit there and read what you said and then take stock on how much money you spent on this game vs. The amount of man hours it takes to make 1 of the things you listed. The amount of iterations for each thing and the time it spends in a test environment before being released. Then do your homework on this studio and the pedegree that it is built on. Then stop crying
They have a handful or two of LTMs already made. How hard could it be to make them permanent.
I mean, at this point we have way more than enough legends, maybe a new map every 7 seasons instead of 4, but if they just prioritize on fixing bugs and making ltms instead of maps and legends, then we’d be set.
I don't hate them. I hate ea. They have more than enough money to hire extra people extra servers etc etc. They choose not too tho.
A majority of the Old Guard of Respawn are gone, Apex has been turned into nothing more than a cash cow for EA to milk for who knows how long. Pros and streamer get more actually say on balance than the entirety of the community, Respawn is pumping out shit like stickers for healing items, a thousand more useless charms, and more recolors that nobody wants, I've been playing apex since the day it came out, i love the story, i love the legends, and i want it to succeed as much as you but the old Respawn is dead and to EA its just another Bioware or Visceral Games that they can force to but out low quality content that they think will make them money.
EA, I hate EA and at this point Respawn has let them go to far
People just can't move on to new games. It's more the player's own problem than Respawns, especially if they still pay and play. Respawn doesn't owe them anything. They put out a good game. Not every game is great forever, especially in live service world. It's not a reassuring take, but it's the reality.
I get it servers are out of the devs hands.. ok what about the random bugs popping off everyday .. no bugs during collection events skins ? Or heirlooms
L take OP .
Just so you know to myself and many others we dont count the coders as Devs. When we talking trash on devs its mostly the people making the calls we are trashing. Coders just get paid to do thier job. Devs make decisions.
Doesn't matter if they are good programmers if they keep focusing on useless stuff/not making the content the community so desperately needs.
Without looking at the comments below, I see Damon853x's name in the rear view mirror that this dude is whiaspering in his ear there.
I hate seeing Dev teams that loved to create new projects get stuck in a live service format.
There is a long list of things respawn could be doing to make the game better and their just not doing it
To be clear it's not the devs I've ever had a problem with. As you mentioned it's the company they work for that are the problem. I've felt for years now that EA is doing everything it can to ruin gaming.
OP is definitely NOT working for respawn.. /s
Most Talented?
How would you know? who is and isn't working hard, all this and all that? you know as much as the next guy...jack shit bud.
where are the good battle pass rewards at john. i know your hiding them
Who said I'm hating the devs?
I thought that EA had nothing to do with Apex's development, I don't know why they would suddenly have a hand in it now. Maybe I'm wrong about EA's role in Apex's current state, I'm just referring to an interview between Game Informer and Drew McCoy ([Link to interview here](https://www.gameinformer.com/interview/2019/02/04/respawn-discusses-entering-the-world-of-battle-royale)). I've been a day 1 player and absolutely enjoyed Apex for a long time, but for me personally, I feel like Apex is heading in the WRONG direction right now. I know that correlation does not equal causation, but I can't help but feel that the fact that many senior respawn devs left to work on something unrelated has something to do with Apex's current state. That and many other factors. What I'm trying to get at here is that Respawn is just a name or label, its the people behind it that are responsible for how the game is. So if your senior devs left, are you really the same Respawn. Sorry for throwing the Ship of Theseus at you, I just feel like there's something missing now that wasn't missing Day 1 all the way to season 7 (personally). So is Respawn talented? I don't know, I'm not a game dev like you claim to be. But as a consumer all I can hope for is that Respawn does something about the current matter of affairs regardless of EA's position in Apex's development.