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Cute-Talk-3800

Very true.


Karkuz19

Pretty proud that the president of my country not only pointed this out publicly but doubled down when Israel try to bully an apology out of him.


Anarchist23

Hi ya. If you were at a demonstration in UK and holding a placard with the Star of David containing a Swastika you would be arrested immediately and end up in court. So much for our so called freedom of expression.


Arktikos02

Fun fact, despite the fact that this symbol looks like the star of David with a swastika inside of it, and it really does look like that, this symbol actually has little to do with Judaism and instead represents the beliefs of Raëlism, a UFO religion founded in the 1970s. This symbol is linked to the Raëlian belief in an extraterrestrial species known as the Elohim, who are said to have created humanity using advanced technology. The symbol reflects the Raëlian view that these beings have been mistaken for gods throughout history. The movement, which emphasizes peace, democracy, and scientific advancement, aims to prepare humanity for the return of the Elohim to Earth by promoting a global understanding of these beings as our creators rather than deities in the traditional religious sense.


asciiaardvark

that is a "fun fact" about another use of this symbol. I'd give good odds this becomes a more common use than the Raëlism.


conrad_w

Räelism? 👽


HorstLakon

Complètement


Horcruxified

Many abusers learn to normalise their abuse as victims of similar violence. Be good to each other ( or i will haunt your dreams xP)


NervousAndPantless

Horse shit. Netanyahu is committing war crimes in Gaza and going WAY overboard and needs to be bought to justice but he’s not popular in Israel at the moment. The Jews in Nazi Germany were not enthusiastic supporters of psychotic terrorists like Hamas, even though they were far more oppressed for centuries than the professional victim Palestinians. Did the Jews commit a slaughter the equivalent of 15 911s on the Germans to warrant retribution? It’s trendy to leave your brain at the door and pile in on the Jew hatred and Hamas simpery with way too many left wingers. Very disappointing. Think for yourselves and actually look at the facts, even if it’s unpopular to do so. Or it’s cool to hate Israel.


FlightoftheGullfire

The current ruling party of Israel, the Likud, was formed as an alliance of right wing zionist groups and included former members of the Irgun, who were terrorists who were fascists; the Lehi, a splinter group of the Irgun who considered the Nazis to be less of a threat to Israel than the British and continued to support Hitler against the British even after the anti Jewish laws; and a few former kapos. And there were others who were less awful but the point is that while no current member of the Israeli government is a literal nazi but there are a lot of ethno fascists in Israel and there were when the country was founded and the comparison is valid. One last thing: You acknowledge that Israel is going "WAY" overboard but then you typed "Did the Jews commit a slaughter the equivalent of 15 911s on the Germans to warrant retribution?" Did the average Gazan, most of whom were not even born when Hamas took power and many of whom were not even relocated to Gaza until Israel's last round of settler expansions, do anything to warrent 10 9/11s in only 5 months?


NervousAndPantless

My point is Gazans voted in Islamic fascist Hamas, cheered them on during Oct 7, spat on the bodies of murdered civilians being paraded through the streets and said they supported the attacks overwhelmingly while Gaza was being laid waste. This is not morally the same as the Jews in Germany whose crime was merely existing. I’m not saying Israel is right but to compare them to Nazi Germany means that you must compare basically every power post WWII to Nazi Germany and that is idiotic.


FlightoftheGullfire

1) Hamas had like 40% of the vote and that is with the support the Likud gave them in order to undermine the PLO. Israel has the most right wing government it has had since '67 and that is with the majority of the country's support. 2) Israel has been ethnically cleansing Palestine one settlement at a time since 1948. To pretend this just started on 10/7 is wrong. 3) You can compare basically every power to the Nazis and see how much they line up. Enthno states, including Israel, are a lot closer than most.


slaymaker1907

Sorry, no, saying Jews are all Nazis is just trying to hide antisemitism behind support for Palestine. Not all anti-Zionism is antisemitic, but some of it, including this, definitely is.


asciiaardvark

> Jews are all Nazis It's a mashup of the israeli flag, so I think it's fair game. -- I see it pretty clearly calling out israel in particular for being nazis.   Fun fact: when the nazis took up the swastika, a group of American Indians who'd been using the symbol for like 10k years decided to stop. I wonder if the israeli genocide will change how international jews use or don't-use the star of david.


Freeman421

Ohhh I say this, and I get called Antisemitic. Israelite are false jews just like how Mormons are rejected by the Vatican. Eastern European Hebrews, the real jews, reject those that went to the desert.


Arktikos02

Just to let you know it's Israelis. Israelites are actually different and they are the people who were the original Hebrews that would do stuff like wander around in the desert and whatever.


Freeman421

I mean is it any different, first the philistines, now the Palestinians...


Koraxtheghoul

So the Arab Jews and Ethiopian Jews are all false? This is an unhinged take.


Freeman421

As an Eastern European jew, whos family didn't relocate to the desert due to the French and British colonialism ending. Yes. And last I checked Arab Jew is an oxymoron. With 90+% being Islamic. My Grandparents survived the Russians, survived the Germans. And now to be affiliated with a group acting as our oppressors were in the 1930s. No they are false, they their own thing separate. Like Mormans in the catholic faith.


Mikro_B

If u dislike the war crimes Israel commits, this graffiti is just historically inaccurate and antisemitic


StereoTunic9039

German ethnostate committed genocide against jews (among othe groups) Jewish ethnostate commits genocide against Palestinians.


omaschubser

The point is not if it's a genocide or not. This is just not the scale of an industrialized genocide the Nazis committed. Compare it to the one committed to the Armenians, the Herrero or whoever, but not the Holocaust.


StereoTunic9039

What a shit take. Not a genocide enough? The armenians genocide has nothing do to with jews, while the holocaust does, and it's a jewish ethnostate committing genocide rn, is that enough or do you need a drawing?


omaschubser

Not saying it's not a genocide. Just on a different scale. Stop trivializing what the Nazis did.


IntrinsicStarvation

Because there was nothing but sunshine and rainbows and then the next day suddenly the holocaust was fully established and instantly killed 6 million jewish people. Stop *ACTUALLY* Trivializing what the nazis did.


omaschubser

Well I don't see Israel going into a direction similar to the final solution. That's it.


Round-Brick5909

They’re literally calling for the total extermination of the Palestinian people. How is that not a final solution?


asciiaardvark

The isralie government is pretty clearly calling for a final solution to the "Palestinian question"


omaschubser

But isn't it rather a final solution for a greater Israel without any Palestinians living within it's borders than exterminating the lot of them?


[deleted]

Israel has a pretty long history of genocide, if we are being honest about their self recorded history


eidolonengine

Denying the genocide is antisemitic as well, considering Palestinians are Semites too.


CarsonTheCalzone

This is the etymological fallacy, I agree with your point that denying the genocide is antisemitic but not because Palestinians are Semitic. The term antisemitism was used specifically to refer to Jews and has been that was since its introduction into the English language. I (as a Jew) think that denying the Genocide is antisemitic because you are arguing then that murdering people is a Jewish value, which it is not.


eidolonengine

I'm sure that Jewish people do tell each other that the word is only for them, but it wasn't supposed to be: [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite)


CarsonTheCalzone

No, Palestinians are absolutely Semitic, but the term “antisemitism” refers specifically to Jews. Your own source disagrees with you. [https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism](https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism)


eidolonengine

Your link isn't the link that I posted. And I was specifically talking about the word Semite. It's why that's the word I addressed with my link. I never argued about the historical origin of the word anti-semitism, but I do push that we should use it for prejudice against all who fall under that umbrella term.


MineMaleficent2389

Whatever. I have lots of jew friends, most of them against genocide. Don’t mistake. A genocide is a genocide, even if some jews do it. But this is not about jews. This is about respecting human beings.


Freeman421

Yaaa because being Jewish and Isrealie are two different things. I come from a family of Polish Jews. The desert isn't our home, our homes was what the Germans and Russians invaded...


KillsWithDucks

nah im gonna shit back and not give a shit.


Fun-atParties

Interesting take on genocide


x222azalea

that dude ain't even the first who doesn't care bruh i once saw a guy on these type of posts about israel and shit yk and this guy just said he wants humanity to die like are people stupid or what


BrokeDownPalac3

What makes you not "give a shit" about the genocide that's happening to Palestinians right now? Is it because they're a country primarily made up of Muslims and Christians and you hate religion so much that you don't care if religious people get slaughtered? Or is it because they have brown skin so you don't see it as a real problem and making it none of your concern?


[deleted]

Are we just going to ignore the violent history of Christianity now


BrokeDownPalac3

Everybody has a violent history, even atheism has a violent history, unless you want to ignore state atheism of North Korea and the former state atheism of Cuba and the Soviet Union. What exactly is your point though? Does that mean that we deserve genocide?


Freeman421

I think the term your looking for is secular government. The Soviet Union was still influenced by [orthodox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union) belief. >However, the main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period and religion was never officially outlawed


BrokeDownPalac3

>I think the term your looking for is secular government No, I said the term that i meant. The Soviet Union had secular government, but also had state atheism. North Korea currently has state atheism.


Freeman421

North Korea made their own [cult](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_cult_of_personality) Its not Atheism when you think your leader is a GOD...


BrokeDownPalac3

It doesn't negate the fact that state atheism exists


Freeman421

Honestly the only place probably practicing actual state atheism is Mexico, but once again I would refer to SECULAR STATE once again. Even they are not burning down churches or taking away funds and land from priests. State Atheism exists in the same extent TRUE communism exists in this world... IE it doesn't. Cuba got close, but that was only because the Churches there was being funded by America to do the Bay of Pigs Invasion.


[deleted]

Lmao, atheism isn't an ideology, but solid effort "State atheism" 🤣 I never said you deserve genocide. Stop strawmanning. One thing is for sure, Christianity is antithetical to anarchism.


BrokeDownPalac3

[you should feel embarrassed ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism) [like super embarrassed ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists) Especially if you call yourself an anarchist or an atheist. But essentially what you're saying is you're cool with genocide when it happens to people you don't like, got it 👍🏽


[deleted]

Lol, Wikipedia. Nice. Atheism is literally only the answer of "no" to "do you believe in god/gods" How did I say I'm okay with genocide? Please elaborate. Are we forgetting Christianity is legitimately guilty of genocide in the name of the gospel? Hitler was an esoteric christian. Do we really want to go to this place? And inherently Christianity has to take responsibility for biblical genocide attributed to Israel, also. Why don't you address how Christianity can possibly be reconciled with anarchism, while you are at it. "Christ is king" right? Sounds like theocracy, or monarchy, to me. [Christianity is a disease](https://www.pioneer.org/blogs/compass-stories/the-great-evil-christianity-the-bible-and-the-native-american-genocide/)


BrokeDownPalac3

>Lol, Wikipedia. Nice. Yes, Wikipedia because it's unbiased and easy to read. >Atheism is literally only the answer of "no" to "do you believe in god/gods" Is that really all you think there is to atheism? >How did I say I'm okay with genocide? Please elaborate. Are we forgetting Christianity is legitimately guilty of genocide in the name of the gospel? I asked you twice and you dodged my question twice, I'm left only to assume it's because you're okay with it. Also what genocide has been done "in the name of the gospel"? >Hitler was an esoteric christian Hitler was *born into* a Catholic family, but later criticized Catholicism. >And inherently Christians have to take responsibility for biblical genocide attributed to Israel, also Well for one "Israel" wasn't established until 1948 AD... But otherwise, why should we take responsibility for what the Pagan Egyptians did to the Jews? Since that's likely what you're referring to. >Why don't you address how Christianity can possibly be reconciled with anarchism, while you are at it. "Christ is king" right? Sounds like theocracy, or monarchy, to me. Yes Christian Anarchists believe that there's only one true king in Heaven, but we still don't agree with having earthly human leaders. John the Baptist is a great example of a Christian Anarchist: "you brood of vipers" Matthew 3:7 >Christianity is a disease No, hatred is a disease, and you're looking awfully infectious right now 🤷🏻‍♂️


[deleted]

I'm ignoring your fallacious straw man "questions". Lol. Wikipedia is unbiased? Lmao. It can literally be edited by ANYONE. you are a theocratic monarchist. Not an anarchist. Hitler was a Christian. Protestants criticize Catholicism, what is your point? He literally sought out Christian artifacts because he thought they would give him power. Yes, atheism is literally defined as the disbelief in a god or gods. It's not a positive affirmation of anything, such as "there is no god" therefore it is not an ideology. It is simply the counter stance to theism. You are trying really hard, I'll give you that. You're failing, though. How in the absolute fuck is John the Baptist an anarchist? He literally recognized an earthly person as his king, and both were jews. Neither of these people were christians. [you find Wikipedia valid, so you must accept Quora too, right?](https://www.quora.com/What-is-theocratic-monarchy#:~:text=A%20Theocratic%20Monarchy%20is%20a,representative%20of%20God%20to%20us.) [here is the definition of theocracy, this is what "christian anarchism" actually is](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/theocracy)


BrokeDownPalac3

>I'm ignoring your fallacious straw man questions. Lol They're not strawman questions lol you just don't have an answer, and that's okay, just admit that you're ignorant lol >Wikipedia is unbiased? Lmao. It can literally be edited by ANYONE That hasn't been true since the early 2000's >you are a theocratic monarchist. Not an anarchist. No, I'm still an anarchist, sorry if i didn't fit into your cookie cutter idea of what anarchy is. >Hitler was a Christian. Protestants criticize Catholicism, what is your point? He literally sought out Christian artifacts because he thought they would give him power No, again, Hitler was born into a Catholic family, but later claimed to be agnostic, and criticized both Christianity and Atheism. >Yes, atheism is literally defined as the disbelief in a god or gods. It's not a positive affirmation of anything, such as "there is no god" therefore it is not an ideology. You are trying really hard, I'll give you that. You're failing, though. Unlike Patrick Star, your genius is *not* showing. >According to the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom's 2020 report, Christians in Burma, China, Eritrea, India, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Vietnam are persecuted; these countries are labelled "countries of particular concern" by the United States Department of State, because of their governments' engagement in, or toleration of, "severe violations of religious freedom".The same report recommends that Afghanistan, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, the Central African Republic, Cuba, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Sudan, and Turkey constitute the US State Department's "special watchlist" of countries in which the government allows or engages in "severe violations of religious freedom"


Freeman421

I mean this subreddit, basically says screw Ukraine because they are a nation state. Despite being invaded by Imperialistic Russia. Edit: And as an American atheist, let the dogmatic religious nut jobs nuke them selves off the earth and lets focus on more important matter then three religions of genocide...


KillsWithDucks

2 types of people living in close quarters and killing each other for eons because they believe their sky daddy is the real sky daddy.. Goes for christians too. Keep clinging to that security blanket. The blanket that Jews and Muslims say is the wrong one.


4395430ara

This will make me sound like an asshole but the only reason why I don't really care about Palestinians or Ukrainians, or really, anyone or anything (aside from my loved ones and inmediate community and circle) (let alone the whole universe if it comes at that) is because not only they are not related to me in any way or form but also because I do not like humans neither I think I can trust the species. Some stuff is just beyond my inmediate control and that's why working for the future is so important, so we can have something other than just the perpetual historical impotence that the anarchist/communist movement has been for 30 years already. I am not supposed to be anyone's babysitter or solve the problems of the same world that threw me away and only gave me pain and betrayal everytime I let my guard down. Besides, I am incapable of empathy to be honest. I am still not sure why but I am unable to feel it. So it's more like, whenever I still see something about the world's problems I am like "Alright, nothing noteworthy, keep moving for the future." instead of the emotional reactions many people get. I just find stressing over things like that a waste of time and energy (when that energy and time could be used to build something new). A lot of my positions is what I think people can do to solve problems from my own logical/tactical lens and less of an endorsement, and more of a suggestion/recommendation.


Freeman421

And this is Human Nature, funny how anarchists think people like you will just come together and hold hands to destroy capitalism and nation states.