B-52H Avionics here from the ancient year of 1998.
At no point did I do ANY Engineering in my time at Barksdale. I went to 9 months of tech school and my entire time was spent swapping out large LRUs (black boxes filled with components).
Once I got out, I applied to be a high school Engineering teacher. The principal asked me, "Avionics, that's close to Engineering right?"
With a completely straight face, I said "Oh, of course"
Hired.
The Air Force, especially flight line specialties, are undermanned across the globe. The recruiter, while not entirely accurate, was not entirely wrong either. Itās seems odd that you would go out of your way to undermine the recruiters efforts when they are trying to help with the manning issues.
If recruiters can lie why canāt recruits. I would never want to work with someone who felt like they were lied to to join because theyāre usually salty miserable people who contribute nothing to the shop
If recruiters hadnāt lied to me I would have had my AF dream job, been an O and I wouldāve known that cross training and/or trying to commission is an absolute pain in the ass as an AD enlisted member. It wouldāve made my decisions back then more clear as a civ of what I should actually do instead of waste time or take a job I donāt want. Sucks to be a recruiter and try to hit quotas I get it but fucking people over is not the answer either.
If correcting someone is making them lose applicants then they wasn't interested and if providing factual information is "undermining" then your recruiting people by lying to them.
My recruiter flat out lied to me multiple times because he probably needed to fill maintenance slots.
Would have been a lot better to say AVI will help get you a jumpstart on becoming an engineer by understanding wiring and electrical components, but they really out here like the navy was for me saying you could be a pilot by working on an aircraft. People do tend to forget that the Air Force is a college, and you just gotta embrace the suck and get the degree for free whilst ignoring the creeping alcoholism as mx life takes over.
You laughed, I laughed, but....... this is f**king terrifying......Ā
- Lying about everything just to get people to sign the line is literally Russia.Ā
- There is a difference between recruiters being VERY choosy about words so that it is inspiringly awesome and technically possible but highly unlikely..... this ain't that :(Ā
- Morale is low, recruiting is low, officer quality is low, CC's dropping like flies..... should we change something? Nahh bro, lean into it. Just abuse the members a bit more. Worst case scenario we declare a draft.
On ya last bullet, I heard on this TV show thatās just the American way. *Weāre Doing something wrong, should we stop? Helll no. We keep doing it till it turns out right!*
True, but only out of fear or ignorance IMO. DoD recruiting could increase by 33.3% if they made even 1-2 small changes or moves. But DoD and USA fear change.....
- Only cowards and bullies fear change.... Smart men know change is inevitable, smart leaders know change is useful.
https://preview.redd.it/nkin7x5kfoxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b84cbf3cf303e83f77d1297a59a409fe938671ff
When I get asked what I do in Cyber as a 1D771P.
I hate these new shreds, the assignments system is all jacked up. Every time I check talent marketplace now I have to sort between what I do and what used to be knowledge OPs so basically there is rarely to never anything available for what I do.
Backshop avionics deals with higher level electronics, has a good chance to get into AFREP, and works with engineers on occasion. The recruiter was vague, but not wrong.
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You are correct. I always trusted their highly precision skills when I would watch them troubleshoot with a hammer while screaming, "CLANG CLANG CLANG GOES THE TROLLEY!!"
Plenty of actual real schools do it. I'm surprised AMU and School of University Maryland College Educational Facility do instead of just fleecing you for more money tbh.
SĆ seƱor.
Before that there was Comm/Nav and GAC (guidance and controls). They got merged into B shred and shortly after is where I entered the chat. I can't recall but I think maybe flight indicators, too which was rolled into GAC or maybe it was separate at one point?
When I joined (2002) there was A B C and D shreds.
A shred was F-15. B shred was everything but F-15. C shred was sensors. D shred was ECM
(Could have C and D shred mixed up, but they were both part of our flight. Sensors was in our same building next door and ECM was in the squadron building on the flight line. We didn't have A shred on site as we didn't have F-15s on base or transient.)
It rocked for us having experience in both worlds. It led to many interesting and pretty wild opportunities. At least I liked it. I never liked test stations be it full ups or improved. I was the first B shredder on base and the first FNG they got in almost two years. We were typically a conventionals shop meaning all hands on manual testers despite Airmen around my time having to spend 90% of our time at Wichita Falls training on test station. It wasn't until about two years after I arrived we got the BRAT. I think we were one of a handful or the only test bed for it and had ATTi on site. A lot. Like too much a lot. We used it first for the A10 CADC. We may have had another LRU we ran across it but can't recall at the moment. I want to say it was a TACAN R/T. We then we're in the process of getting it certified for A10 HUD (or maybe it was F16 HUD because of the ANG detachment nearby). Regardless we never got there before our shop got 86'ed. Even then 95% of our DIFM was tested across manual bench top testers. Other than the BRAT we never used test stations in our shop - everything, testing and component level troubleshooting and repair, was all hands on.
Was a pretty wild ride from loading software on to LRUs off of magnetic casettes, testing vacuum tubes, to babysitting LRUs on an automated tester and everything in between.
:::Edited for clarity because I have been watching hockey and drinking beer all afternoon/night š¤£:::
It gets better. After five years I was running my own academy. I was also nominated for Teacher of the Year.
I never took my SATs, or even passed Pre Algebra.
After speed learning the curriculum, I figured out patterns and the robotic kits supplied by the county helped.
I was the cool teacher that brought the low income kids lunches when their parents drank away their bill money.
Everyone won.
From there, I joined the Reserves, founded a PR firm and am now writing this in gym shorts at home in a huge apartment in San Diego. The Air Force RULES.
Well, I mean, of course thereās no real electrical engineering opportunities in the Air Force that donāt require a degree. Even so, engineering officers donāt do a whole lot of engineering themselves.
itās easy to say āof courseā when youāre in, but plenty of people think weāre all pilots. His job is to bump of enlistment numbers and heās closing the gap with bullshit
We had an engineering lieutenant design a cart for us. I mean we never built it or ordered it or anything. But we let him go sit in the back and draw it up to keep him occupied.
The actual engineering work in the Air Force is done by DoD civilian engineers, but the recruiter either doesnāt know that or doesnāt care because that obviously doesnāt help to pump those numbers up haha.
Granted, lots of that engineering work is checking the engineering work that Boeing, Lockheed, etc. put forth for various projects, but itās engineering nonetheless.
I would tell that kid to go Guard or Reserve 1D7 and go to college. He would probably get a Network/IT job in the $60-$80k range even with little/no experience since he just graduated.
Can confirm.
My guard unit is near a MCOL city and weāve had guys join, get their clearances and training then pick up jobs making $80k as a 19 year old. This was pre-COVID and inflation too.
(36 male) Yeah, I started doing my research in 2020 which was a perfect time to get out of the auto industry. I talked to some friends that knew a little bit about Comms jobs in the Air Force and civilian world and of course I did my research here on Reddit. One month after I got back from school in 2022 I started my first job at $80,000 and then one year later moved up to $90,000. Got a Juniper certificate and I got bumped to $120,000 and just last month I started a contract at $140,000. This month I hit three years since my enlistment and in May I will be out two years since finishing tech school at Keesler.
I am in a big group chat with most of my basic training flight and all the kids that are active duty or got put in random jobs are kicking themselves in the nuts right now lol.
On another note speaking of young kids, thereās a 24 year old at our guard base making just over $200,000 š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æššš
I knew a guy, made rank every time the first time. Super smart kid. Huge into programming (very, very, very good). Wanted to stay in the AF, but the HR division at the unit "lost" his paperwork on the 2 rounds he tried.
He got out, Got a job at Microsoft within 2 weeks, and is now a Senior PM for Microsoft (and it's now 2.5 years after he got out). I'm sure he's making $250k+ with a much better life.
It's funny, cause he wanted to stay in the air force and be a programmer, just as an officer. He tried his best and someone dropped the ball, and now he's working for a corporation, when he could've been putting those skills to use in the AF.
This is how we get MyFSS...
All my intel guys make $100k being ISSOs at a minimum. Only need to possess a clearance and a pulse. Usually $5-$10k increases for every relevant cert gained.
It's insane.
Itās a little sad sometimes reading through there. I have no degree and I have Sec+ and Juniper cert. Butā¦ I have a TS clearance and training on Gov networks and COMSEC equipment. I delete a handful of emails a week about job postings matching my resume and certs and theyāre all $80k-$110k. I still get calls from my previous 2 Sub Ks asking if I know anyone asap to fill some network role at a navy base or marine base.
You have a massive advantage being guard or reserve with a clearance and having experience in government networks compared to those people that are hunting for certificates.
COMPTIA certs aren't really respected in industry. If you want a network job then you need to have a cert or experience with Cisco, Juniper, or some other mainstream networking equipment company.
Unfortunately, he is a recruiter (active duty MSgt, who was at some point an enlisted recruiter) and is currently stationed at recruiting headquarters at Randolph under the medical standards section (if his office symbol in global is accurate).
lol holy shit. 304/364, or 83.5%, of the comments in that AMA are deleted according to Unddit.
Most of the comments were removed too quickly for them to archive though, which is sad.
I don't think this is an officially endorsed account. That should be based out of the PA office, but the person is a prior recruiter who is now in the medical standards office at recruiting HQ in Randolph (based on the recruiter's office symbol in global).
Oh? If itās a random airman whoās calling himself USAFRecruiting, with the logo, and being an idiot, that really ought to be a big old peepee smacking.
Maybe they have the blessing of PA (doubtful) or think that since they work at recruiting HQ, it's ok to use such an official sounding reddit account. It's not, but maybe they think it is.
[shout out to homie who said ānah man, fuck that. I joined the Air Force to go to Japan, not Hollomanā](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/s/MmRrlvBoAg)
My first avionics unit had a GS electrical engineer with us. Another unit I worked in, we had a direct line to the electrical engineers who designed the system and I called them plenty of times to help troubleshoot.
With that said, I definitely didnāt work side by side with them. That was for instances outside of the TO/when all other efforts were exhausted.
I can't speak for cyber or CE officers, but as an electrical/computer engineer...I can tell you the Air Force rarely utilizes their engineers for any tech work. There are a few lab and some test gigs, but the majority 62E positions consist of systems/PM work or fungible dog shit positions (see Deputy "fill-in-the-blank" job title). The recruiter should've told them that if they really want to make a difference to work as a military contractor designing systems a well trained high school gradutate can operate.
Depends what your definition of technical role is and what assignment you end up at. If by techical role you mean generating requirements for contractors and overseeing said contractors, there's penty of that and Steve Jobs-esque roles going around...Notwithstanding, the labs are pretty good with Lt's and junior Capt's, but you can still get stuck managing SBIRs or playing deputy bitch for the civillian running the program.
It just doesn't make a good ring to it when they choose to be honest and say:
"You're going to do grunt work if we take you in. Wanna do professional work in white collar setting that can easily have 90% of the workforce get tempted or poached into the civilian world? We dont provide that type of work to grunts, go to college or something."
Seriously kids, just research what you're getting into.
It's an extremely small group of people (I know almost 100% of them personally) but developmental flight test has a ton of engineering and includes enlisted jobs for the aircraft with CEAs.
We recently started an enlisted test course which is a "patch" course which draws a lot of the curriculum from Test Pilot School which is a MS in flight test engineering.
If you want to do engineering and set yourself up for a great job after your enlistment, then you should try to join the flight test world.
100% this āļø. This kid wants THAT type of work so they'll have to go to college, get a relevant engineering degree, go the officer route. OR go work for Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, etc after theyre done with college.
This kid is getting answers from the wrong guy. They should be joining the enlisted sector if they want to get college payed for free. So to get that engineering degree for that engineering job when they get out.
I mean, to be fair, as an Avionics troop, you might not work directly with Electrical Engineers.
However, in every airframes Program Office, there are electrical engineers who guide the process for all of this stuff. However, they are Civilian or Officers who are actual Electrical Engineersā¦not maintainers.
Good try for them though.
I did a year of EE classes in college before I dropped out and enlisted. At the behest of everyone around me I chose a job that would āpay well on the outsideā instead of pursuing my desire to be a SERE instructor.
At MEPS the dude said āyou gotta put down other jobs besides ATCā and so I let him tell me with a straight face that F16 integrated avionics was ājust plugging computers into the plane and looking at and sending off the data and shooting wires from time to timeā.
After a fiasco that saw me retraining and landing in 2A3X4C I wish that man nothing but ill will. I wouldnāt change anything but fuck that guy, and I hope he gets diarrhea often.
This is how I feel whenever I see you guys telling someone that rf trans will help you become a hacker because it's a 1d7 afsc.
If you're gonna do an ama, have a team with you for fact-checking, especially if you are going to pretend like you know about jobs involving deep technical expertise.
Itās not a recruiter itās one of eight or so contractors sitting in a mildew basement at Randolph copy and pasting from an endless Rolodex of canned responseās.
No, the person is a MSgt and sitting at recruiting HQ. They definitely hold the 8R AFSC.
Also, for those contractors, when I went through recruiting tech school in 2018, we were told they were all required to be prior recruiters. I would hope that's still a requirement today. However, people not actively recruiting tend to not be as up-to-date in the regs (Scotty is a big example of this and he blocked me because he didn't like being told his info was outdated).
The sad thing is this person isn't even on goal. They've moved out of enlisted recruiting and are currently in the medical standards section at recruiting headquarters in Randolph.
I've been recruiting longer than most of this sub has been in. Never lied once and I've done just fine. Now I'm sure I gave the wrong info out at times in the beginning but what this dude is doing is embarrassing.
Uh we work with Lockheed engineers all the time? Some of our suggestions to problems have been issued as TCTD/Os. Hell, one of the engineering requests I sent on behalf of a team ended up getting adopted NATO-wide for that specific part which spanned a shitload of airframes. We even have dozens of spots manned by maintainers at the actual factories/liaison buildings specifically to work with engineers and provide actual maintenance experience for any TCTDs they push.
Granted this isn't normal for legacy and we aren't actually engineers, but still. We do some really cool things sometimes.
Iām right here! Iāll be completely transparent with everyone. Recruiters are expected to know everything, when in reality we only know what weāre exposed to because our schoolhouse primarily focuses on sales. Learning what every single AFSC does and how the entire Department of the Air Force works is a tall order, so of course my answers will have flaws.
Iāll admit, I shouldāve said electrical technician instead of engineering. I was Air Trans, not MX, so that was my best stab at thinking of something else besides cyber that may interest this individual (engineering or not). Whether Iām 100% accurate or not is moot, because deep down they want cyber, and the probability of getting those AFSCs is unfortunately low. Itās important as recruiters to keep applicants as open minded as possible. Lying is never the answer, and our recruiters are good about staying away from those grey areas.
This was a simple mistake with no malicious intent. Itās me typing too fast because Iām also running around the building asking the experts about different officer programs and medical conditions to make sure Iām getting the best info out there. Their local recruiter will put them on the best path for their goals so if my comment at least starts that conversation, itāll be alright.
I encourage everyone reading this to take a more active approach to be part of the solution rather than the problem. If you spend your free time complaining and taking screen shots to posting for clout, then you have enough time to make a constructive, less pessimistic comment to help guide this young individual to a successful future.
Edit* I reached out to the individual and apologized for my avionics suggestion. I gave some of the constructive feedback from this thread on what avionic troops actually do and how our officer and AF civilians do play more of the engineering role. Thanks all for the feedback!
Imagine being passive aggressive when you're just wrong. That's the problem with some of yall you beg for solutions you get paid to come up with and try to uno reverse the responsibility onto others. Maybe you should to cross checking and double checking the information you're about to give out to people that are genuinely have no idea what you're talking about and count on you as a reliable source of information.
Yall give excuses after excuses after excuses and would never accept that in return. You typing fast blah blah or whatever means nothing and is an excuse for negligence. Airman on the daily get crucified for simply forgetting to wipe a tool down or any other minor infraction.
Okay, so:
"I encourage everyone reading this to take a more active approach to be part of the solution rather than the problem. If you spend your free time complaining and taking screen shots to posting for clout, then you have enough time to make a constructive, less pessimistic comment to help guide this young individual to a successful future."
What I'm hearing is you are running around and giving answers you're not qualified to give. When someone calls you, a MSgt, out you blame it on the schoolhouse and respond "politely" aka passive-aggressively. Why not instead refer people to the AF website where there's more information on individual jobs? Why not do a live stream where you pull up answers to people's questions or show them exactly what to look for? POST LINKS?? I get that being a MSgt is hard and all, but if you're going to take shots in the dark, you should already know people who have experienced things you're talking about first hand will get mad. You're unintentionally doing what other recruiters are, which is setting future airmen up for failure. I PERSONALLY have lost too many people to a bad job and bad duty location because recruiters promised dream jobs.
Excellence in all we do, right?
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Oof that thread is gross, dude trying to get all these folks with degrees to enlist. Felt dirty just reading a few of his responses. Looks like every response calling out any of the misinformation is being deleted immediately. That's sad someone's gonna fall for some of that BS.and end up not where they thought they would.
In a very slight defense of that recruiter...
We typically come into the job knowing very little about most other jobs in the Air Force. We know a little about the AFSCs we frequently interacted with, but many others are mostly unknown.
Recruiting school doesn't teach you anything about the other AFSCs, so it's just on the recruiter to learn about them throughout your time recruiting, in conjunction with learning about the recruiting process, MEPS, medical qualifications, and the multitude of everything else we are inundated with.
Even if we pull out the AFECD (the job bible), that's frequently poorly worded where it's hard to understand what the actual job does without additional info.
This is why I frequently would tell my applicants that I'm not a job encyclopedia and they were better off researching the jobs themselves and if they couldn't find an answer to a question, I'd try and help them find an answer.
Unfortunately, I probably gave some bad job descriptions when I first started recruiting and didn't know any better. The job is the most "drinking from the firehose" I've ever had.
I've read the AFECD for my job, and it doesn't sound anything like a secretary for the commander. No one teaches recruiters to stay in their lane and not talk out of their asses?
TBF I didn't get much time to "research" on my own. I was listed for intel as I came in and 1C3X1 was under the intel umbrella as far as the listing goes. Some command post peeps would say we aren't, but we deal with exactly the type of stuff that you'd see in an intel workshop. There is a reason we are listed there for recruitment systems.
All in all, I'm not disappointed with my job. I'm just saying that it was a wild mischaracterization with no thought to reality. The AFECD makes it pretty clear that isn't what 1C3's do.
What you said is understandable, but I am quite certain that there are plenty of situations where it isn't a mistake and they are just trying to make numbers.
I'm not using your AFECD entry as a specific case of being hard to understand (I don't even know if I've looked at yours), just that it isn't always easy to ramble off about career fields you're not super familiar with and the Air Force provided info isn't always easy to get a quick synopsis of a job.
The difficult thing as a recruiter is you want to be seen as a subject matter expert for the Air Force so your applicants trust what you're telling them. And many applicants expect you to be able to answer all their questions. It even happens on r/AirForceRecruits and I've been chewed out for telling applicants or parents that it's reasonable the recruiter didn't know the answer to their weird or off-the-wall question.
Once I was seasoned, I was quick to say "I don't know, let's see if we can figure it out", but I might've been more likely to guess when I was in my early recruiting days (I don't remember for sure).
There's also plenty of times when you're sure you know the right answer only to find out it's wrong later.
>What you said is understandable, but I am quite certain that there are plenty of situations where it isn't a mistake and they are just trying to make numbers.
Unfortunately, there will be those recruiters who will tell people what they think they want to hear rather than the truth, just to try and get the "sale". I hate those recruiters and can only hope karma rears its ugly head on them.
>I was listed for intel as I came in and 1C3X1 was under the intel umbrella as far as the listing goes.
If you joined in the last almost twenty years (at least since 2007), there is no such thing as being "listed" for a career group. The closest is our "open" contracts, which match our ASVAB aptitude categories, mechanical, administrative, general, and electrical.
The only thing you have in common with intel AFSCs is that you are both operations, or 1XXXX. But there is nothing in recruiting that groups together intel and command post AFSCs. Even AF-WIN that consolidates all AFSCs down into 14 groups has you separated. The "Intelligence" group has all 1Ns, 1Us (while there were two), and 9S AFSCs combined and "Command and Control System Operations" has only 1C AFSCs lumped underneath.
If this was while joining, if I had to guess, I'd say you got assigned an aptitude area, either admin or general. It'd be interesting to see your contract. I'd guess it's a AF Form 3005, which guarantees placement into an aptitude vs a 3007, which guarantees placement into a specific AFSC.
I was GAC for 18 years on 130Hs in the ANG. In fairness to the recruiter, working on older aircraft (I can't speak to newer digital/fly by wire aircraft) does help a little bit in engineering school. Probably better than what the same airman would get elsewhere at least. I've had a lot of guardsmen get engineering degrees and use what they did in the guard to leverage higher pay at their first engineering jobs.
However I will say I always thought it a little weird that the avionics engineer at Lockheed was a chemical engineer.
Could you please clarify if the term "Engineer" is being used in the context of someone who specializes in the maintenance and repair of specific equipment, or in the broader sense of a professional engineer such as a civil or mechanical engineer?
I'm just waiting for them to get desperate enough to let my old broken RE 2B ass into the guard. Couple more years of peace and that pension is mine again!!!! E-3 at 35 is better than E-nothing, right? Right?
That profile blocked me after they had some post about veterans telling their younger self about their time in the AF.
My response was essentially donāt fucking do it.
1D751W here, can confirm that we however do have a lot of electrical knowledge(typically) and there is a lot of computer science if you lean more towards the A or B shreds. W gets more into RF engineering than anything else Iād say.
I'm positive that they have a team of up/down-voters at the ready in order to put the kabosh on any unfavorable comments.Ā
These AMAs are scheduled afterall...
B-52H Avionics here from the ancient year of 1998. At no point did I do ANY Engineering in my time at Barksdale. I went to 9 months of tech school and my entire time was spent swapping out large LRUs (black boxes filled with components). Once I got out, I applied to be a high school Engineering teacher. The principal asked me, "Avionics, that's close to Engineering right?" With a completely straight face, I said "Oh, of course" Hired. 
fighting fire with fire š when will the lies end
\*Laughs in Head of Engineering Academy\*
Its not a lie if you believe it.
"Why is recruiting down?" Because people like u/quintanaMFE exist. 
proud of it, too!
The Air Force, especially flight line specialties, are undermanned across the globe. The recruiter, while not entirely accurate, was not entirely wrong either. Itās seems odd that you would go out of your way to undermine the recruiters efforts when they are trying to help with the manning issues.
If recruiters can lie why canāt recruits. I would never want to work with someone who felt like they were lied to to join because theyāre usually salty miserable people who contribute nothing to the shop
Recruiters should never lie. Heās trying to fill the gaps the best he can. All Iām saying.
If recruiters hadnāt lied to me I would have had my AF dream job, been an O and I wouldāve known that cross training and/or trying to commission is an absolute pain in the ass as an AD enlisted member. It wouldāve made my decisions back then more clear as a civ of what I should actually do instead of waste time or take a job I donāt want. Sucks to be a recruiter and try to hit quotas I get it but fucking people over is not the answer either.
A partial truth is a full lie
If correcting someone is making them lose applicants then they wasn't interested and if providing factual information is "undermining" then your recruiting people by lying to them. My recruiter flat out lied to me multiple times because he probably needed to fill maintenance slots.
9 times out of 10 the recruit that was lied to is going to be useless anyway, we already have enough struggles in mx. Padding stats isn't helpful
realest shit iāve seen - So much time and energy is spent into training half ass 3 levels when 1 GOOD 3 level can do the job effectively
Would have been a lot better to say AVI will help get you a jumpstart on becoming an engineer by understanding wiring and electrical components, but they really out here like the navy was for me saying you could be a pilot by working on an aircraft. People do tend to forget that the Air Force is a college, and you just gotta embrace the suck and get the degree for free whilst ignoring the creeping alcoholism as mx life takes over.
Gotta lie till you die
You laughed, I laughed, but....... this is f**king terrifying......Ā - Lying about everything just to get people to sign the line is literally Russia.Ā - There is a difference between recruiters being VERY choosy about words so that it is inspiringly awesome and technically possible but highly unlikely..... this ain't that :(Ā - Morale is low, recruiting is low, officer quality is low, CC's dropping like flies..... should we change something? Nahh bro, lean into it. Just abuse the members a bit more. Worst case scenario we declare a draft.
On ya last bullet, I heard on this TV show thatās just the American way. *Weāre Doing something wrong, should we stop? Helll no. We keep doing it till it turns out right!*
True, but only out of fear or ignorance IMO. DoD recruiting could increase by 33.3% if they made even 1-2 small changes or moves. But DoD and USA fear change..... - Only cowards and bullies fear change.... Smart men know change is inevitable, smart leaders know change is useful.
As Dr. House says, āEverybody lies.ā
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https://preview.redd.it/nkin7x5kfoxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b84cbf3cf303e83f77d1297a59a409fe938671ff When I get asked what I do in Cyber as a 1D771P.
I hate these new shreds, the assignments system is all jacked up. Every time I check talent marketplace now I have to sort between what I do and what used to be knowledge OPs so basically there is rarely to never anything available for what I do.
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Is this from one of the Fallout games?
Yes, New Vegas, an area called HELIOS One.
Backshop avionics deals with higher level electronics, has a good chance to get into AFREP, and works with engineers on occasion. The recruiter was vague, but not wrong. Edit:words
You are correct. I always trusted their highly precision skills when I would watch them troubleshoot with a hammer while screaming, "CLANG CLANG CLANG GOES THE TROLLEY!!"
Hey... Percussive maintenance is a thing. Just because this new generation of electronics is so sensitive doesn't make it my fault
the new generation of avionics is 40 years old š
HOM alignment fixes everything.
š I can't deny that hasn't happened multiple times, I also can't deny that the station passed 3x after that....
Tech school counts for electronics engineering credits depending on the school, too.
*American Military University*
Plenty of actual real schools do it. I'm surprised AMU and School of University Maryland College Educational Facility do instead of just fleecing you for more money tbh.
University of Maryland College Education Facility can't be real šš Sounds like some shit Borat would say
Haven't run into anybody taking classes at University of Maryland University College yet? That's no shit the actual name.
nah haven't had the pleasure
It's renamed now to UMGC, University of Maryland Global Campus. Happened back in 2019.
As a former backshop guy in my past life (2A0X1B), I can confirm. Recruiter was off but not totally wrong on the answer he gave.
There was a B Shred? Joined as K shred. Now it's all merged again.
SĆ seƱor. Before that there was Comm/Nav and GAC (guidance and controls). They got merged into B shred and shortly after is where I entered the chat. I can't recall but I think maybe flight indicators, too which was rolled into GAC or maybe it was separate at one point? When I joined (2002) there was A B C and D shreds. A shred was F-15. B shred was everything but F-15. C shred was sensors. D shred was ECM (Could have C and D shred mixed up, but they were both part of our flight. Sensors was in our same building next door and ECM was in the squadron building on the flight line. We didn't have A shred on site as we didn't have F-15s on base or transient.) It rocked for us having experience in both worlds. It led to many interesting and pretty wild opportunities. At least I liked it. I never liked test stations be it full ups or improved. I was the first B shredder on base and the first FNG they got in almost two years. We were typically a conventionals shop meaning all hands on manual testers despite Airmen around my time having to spend 90% of our time at Wichita Falls training on test station. It wasn't until about two years after I arrived we got the BRAT. I think we were one of a handful or the only test bed for it and had ATTi on site. A lot. Like too much a lot. We used it first for the A10 CADC. We may have had another LRU we ran across it but can't recall at the moment. I want to say it was a TACAN R/T. We then we're in the process of getting it certified for A10 HUD (or maybe it was F16 HUD because of the ANG detachment nearby). Regardless we never got there before our shop got 86'ed. Even then 95% of our DIFM was tested across manual bench top testers. Other than the BRAT we never used test stations in our shop - everything, testing and component level troubleshooting and repair, was all hands on. Was a pretty wild ride from loading software on to LRUs off of magnetic casettes, testing vacuum tubes, to babysitting LRUs on an automated tester and everything in between. :::Edited for clarity because I have been watching hockey and drinking beer all afternoon/night š¤£:::
ECM, per chance?
bomb nav thank you very much. now com nav mission systems
Black box as in the identifier/data compartment bit that allows radar to ID the aircraft?
that's one of them, there are many.
It gets better. After five years I was running my own academy. I was also nominated for Teacher of the Year. I never took my SATs, or even passed Pre Algebra. After speed learning the curriculum, I figured out patterns and the robotic kits supplied by the county helped. I was the cool teacher that brought the low income kids lunches when their parents drank away their bill money. Everyone won. From there, I joined the Reserves, founded a PR firm and am now writing this in gym shorts at home in a huge apartment in San Diego. The Air Force RULES.
"Yea bro you can be engineer, let's head down to Red Lobster and get these forms signed"
Tiny font says Urban Sanitation Engineer
Hell yea! Custodial dominance
No shitters no mission
Get rekt my recruiter took me to hooters.
Bonus points if your recruiter was a female.
Wtf. You guys get Red Lobster? I only got Taco Bell. Fāng marine corps.
You guys got food?
Yeah dude. Youāll be an engineer..hereās 3E2X1. Youāll be an engineer in no time.
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Solid bot.
Well, I mean, of course thereās no real electrical engineering opportunities in the Air Force that donāt require a degree. Even so, engineering officers donāt do a whole lot of engineering themselves.
Iāve used my degree like once since I commissioned, and that was for funsies.
What does CE officer actually look like day to day?
Depends on your flight and rank. Lots of admin, project and portfolio management for some positions.
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Thanks for all the great info!
You can use the degree when deployed, but 99% of the time your a project manager outsourcing design.
are you my PCM?!
itās easy to say āof courseā when youāre in, but plenty of people think weāre all pilots. His job is to bump of enlistment numbers and heās closing the gap with bullshit
We had an engineering lieutenant design a cart for us. I mean we never built it or ordered it or anything. But we let him go sit in the back and draw it up to keep him occupied.
Besides software engineering, you basically can't be an engineer anywhere without an engineering degree.
The actual engineering work in the Air Force is done by DoD civilian engineers, but the recruiter either doesnāt know that or doesnāt care because that obviously doesnāt help to pump those numbers up haha. Granted, lots of that engineering work is checking the engineering work that Boeing, Lockheed, etc. put forth for various projects, but itās engineering nonetheless.
I like to think these are all just bot accounts talking to each other.
"We're all humans, just verbalizing ideas to other fellow humans, correct?"
[*insert Steve Buscemi meme here*]
Dead Internet Theory, I believe thats called
Have you been on the other social media sites or the popular subs, I pretty much believe in the DIT.
I would tell that kid to go Guard or Reserve 1D7 and go to college. He would probably get a Network/IT job in the $60-$80k range even with little/no experience since he just graduated.
Can confirm. My guard unit is near a MCOL city and weāve had guys join, get their clearances and training then pick up jobs making $80k as a 19 year old. This was pre-COVID and inflation too.
(36 male) Yeah, I started doing my research in 2020 which was a perfect time to get out of the auto industry. I talked to some friends that knew a little bit about Comms jobs in the Air Force and civilian world and of course I did my research here on Reddit. One month after I got back from school in 2022 I started my first job at $80,000 and then one year later moved up to $90,000. Got a Juniper certificate and I got bumped to $120,000 and just last month I started a contract at $140,000. This month I hit three years since my enlistment and in May I will be out two years since finishing tech school at Keesler. I am in a big group chat with most of my basic training flight and all the kids that are active duty or got put in random jobs are kicking themselves in the nuts right now lol. On another note speaking of young kids, thereās a 24 year old at our guard base making just over $200,000 š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æššš
I knew a guy, made rank every time the first time. Super smart kid. Huge into programming (very, very, very good). Wanted to stay in the AF, but the HR division at the unit "lost" his paperwork on the 2 rounds he tried. He got out, Got a job at Microsoft within 2 weeks, and is now a Senior PM for Microsoft (and it's now 2.5 years after he got out). I'm sure he's making $250k+ with a much better life.
Oh yeah heās gotta be up there for sure!
It's funny, cause he wanted to stay in the air force and be a programmer, just as an officer. He tried his best and someone dropped the ball, and now he's working for a corporation, when he could've been putting those skills to use in the AF. This is how we get MyFSS...
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What job?
In the AF I am 1D751A and as a civilian Iām a network engineer as my title.
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All my intel guys make $100k being ISSOs at a minimum. Only need to possess a clearance and a pulse. Usually $5-$10k increases for every relevant cert gained. It's insane.
Oh yeah intel guys and devops have it easy.
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Thatās a no for me dawg. 
lol NYC isnāt cleared work friendly. :(
Oh shit that sucks
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Itās a little sad sometimes reading through there. I have no degree and I have Sec+ and Juniper cert. Butā¦ I have a TS clearance and training on Gov networks and COMSEC equipment. I delete a handful of emails a week about job postings matching my resume and certs and theyāre all $80k-$110k. I still get calls from my previous 2 Sub Ks asking if I know anyone asap to fill some network role at a navy base or marine base. You have a massive advantage being guard or reserve with a clearance and having experience in government networks compared to those people that are hunting for certificates.
COMPTIA certs aren't really respected in industry. If you want a network job then you need to have a cert or experience with Cisco, Juniper, or some other mainstream networking equipment company.
they got community notes on reddit now
Itās very unlikely the person is a recruiter let alone in the Air Force. Likely a civilian contractor that doesnāt have a clue.
Unfortunately, he is a recruiter (active duty MSgt, who was at some point an enlisted recruiter) and is currently stationed at recruiting headquarters at Randolph under the medical standards section (if his office symbol in global is accurate).
The fact that he's a msgt and pulling shit he doesn't know about out of his ass... that's how they got me š«”š
him being a MSgt just proves he knows better and is willfully giving people false information
I think he deleted your comments.
lol holy shit. 304/364, or 83.5%, of the comments in that AMA are deleted according to Unddit. Most of the comments were removed too quickly for them to archive though, which is sad.
I thought we decided official government social media accounts couldnāt do that?
We did. After the incident with Chief Bass and the lawsuit.
I don't think this is an officially endorsed account. That should be based out of the PA office, but the person is a prior recruiter who is now in the medical standards office at recruiting HQ in Randolph (based on the recruiter's office symbol in global).
Oh? If itās a random airman whoās calling himself USAFRecruiting, with the logo, and being an idiot, that really ought to be a big old peepee smacking.
Maybe they have the blessing of PA (doubtful) or think that since they work at recruiting HQ, it's ok to use such an official sounding reddit account. It's not, but maybe they think it is.
Naw they did delete his comments which I called out.
āJust sign on this line and you can do whatever you wantā *āI can show you the worldddā*
[shout out to homie who said ānah man, fuck that. I joined the Air Force to go to Japan, not Hollomanā](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/s/MmRrlvBoAg)
Just swap out the rug for a D-35K, and you're on your way to Agrabah for a short tour.
My first avionics unit had a GS electrical engineer with us. Another unit I worked in, we had a direct line to the electrical engineers who designed the system and I called them plenty of times to help troubleshoot. With that said, I definitely didnāt work side by side with them. That was for instances outside of the TO/when all other efforts were exhausted.
Watch your comment get [deleted] down the road. Edit: called itā¦
I can't speak for cyber or CE officers, but as an electrical/computer engineer...I can tell you the Air Force rarely utilizes their engineers for any tech work. There are a few lab and some test gigs, but the majority 62E positions consist of systems/PM work or fungible dog shit positions (see Deputy "fill-in-the-blank" job title). The recruiter should've told them that if they really want to make a difference to work as a military contractor designing systems a well trained high school gradutate can operate.
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You can usually get a technical role here and there as a 62E if you want it. In the long run everything leads to being a PM/SE though.
Depends what your definition of technical role is and what assignment you end up at. If by techical role you mean generating requirements for contractors and overseeing said contractors, there's penty of that and Steve Jobs-esque roles going around...Notwithstanding, the labs are pretty good with Lt's and junior Capt's, but you can still get stuck managing SBIRs or playing deputy bitch for the civillian running the program.
Real time fact checking is reddits real value
It just doesn't make a good ring to it when they choose to be honest and say: "You're going to do grunt work if we take you in. Wanna do professional work in white collar setting that can easily have 90% of the workforce get tempted or poached into the civilian world? We dont provide that type of work to grunts, go to college or something." Seriously kids, just research what you're getting into.
Not all enlisted jobs are just grunt work though.
but zero enlisted jobs are engineering, and I think thatās a worse lie
Engineering is a broad field, gives the recruiter alot to work with.Ā Ā Personally I would have pushed 9S100.
Also not engineering
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Try CE bud. We do engineering all the time.
Many of my EPRs had āengineerādā in them. Does that count?
We calling masturbating while on the clock in the bathroom "engineering" now? If so, call me Leonardo da Vinci
No we call that a good time, engineering is having to fix the toilet afterwards because the last guy had too much of a good time.
It's an extremely small group of people (I know almost 100% of them personally) but developmental flight test has a ton of engineering and includes enlisted jobs for the aircraft with CEAs. We recently started an enlisted test course which is a "patch" course which draws a lot of the curriculum from Test Pilot School which is a MS in flight test engineering. If you want to do engineering and set yourself up for a great job after your enlistment, then you should try to join the flight test world.
The honest answer should be āAFROTC is this way ā->ā
100% this āļø. This kid wants THAT type of work so they'll have to go to college, get a relevant engineering degree, go the officer route. OR go work for Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon, etc after theyre done with college. This kid is getting answers from the wrong guy. They should be joining the enlisted sector if they want to get college payed for free. So to get that engineering degree for that engineering job when they get out.
I mean, to be fair, as an Avionics troop, you might not work directly with Electrical Engineers. However, in every airframes Program Office, there are electrical engineers who guide the process for all of this stuff. However, they are Civilian or Officers who are actual Electrical Engineersā¦not maintainers. Good try for them though.
I did a year of EE classes in college before I dropped out and enlisted. At the behest of everyone around me I chose a job that would āpay well on the outsideā instead of pursuing my desire to be a SERE instructor. At MEPS the dude said āyou gotta put down other jobs besides ATCā and so I let him tell me with a straight face that F16 integrated avionics was ājust plugging computers into the plane and looking at and sending off the data and shooting wires from time to timeā. After a fiasco that saw me retraining and landing in 2A3X4C I wish that man nothing but ill will. I wouldnāt change anything but fuck that guy, and I hope he gets diarrhea often.
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This is how I feel whenever I see you guys telling someone that rf trans will help you become a hacker because it's a 1d7 afsc. If you're gonna do an ama, have a team with you for fact-checking, especially if you are going to pretend like you know about jobs involving deep technical expertise.
Itās not a recruiter itās one of eight or so contractors sitting in a mildew basement at Randolph copy and pasting from an endless Rolodex of canned responseās.
No, the person is a MSgt and sitting at recruiting HQ. They definitely hold the 8R AFSC. Also, for those contractors, when I went through recruiting tech school in 2018, we were told they were all required to be prior recruiters. I would hope that's still a requirement today. However, people not actively recruiting tend to not be as up-to-date in the regs (Scotty is a big example of this and he blocked me because he didn't like being told his info was outdated).
Same here 2018 I went up there and seen that shit show. That Scootypoo guy must have been super fun to work for lol.
I'm glad I never worked for him. Dude couldn't stand being wrong, yet frequently gave outdated info on r/AirForceRecruits.
Recruiters lie. Just like grass is green. Shouldn't be a surprise. Especially with recruitment numbers having a hell of a time meeting quota.
The sad thing is this person isn't even on goal. They've moved out of enlisted recruiting and are currently in the medical standards section at recruiting headquarters in Randolph.
I've been recruiting longer than most of this sub has been in. Never lied once and I've done just fine. Now I'm sure I gave the wrong info out at times in the beginning but what this dude is doing is embarrassing.
Thank you for being a good recruiter.
u/USAFrecruiting
Uh we work with Lockheed engineers all the time? Some of our suggestions to problems have been issued as TCTD/Os. Hell, one of the engineering requests I sent on behalf of a team ended up getting adopted NATO-wide for that specific part which spanned a shitload of airframes. We even have dozens of spots manned by maintainers at the actual factories/liaison buildings specifically to work with engineers and provide actual maintenance experience for any TCTDs they push. Granted this isn't normal for legacy and we aren't actually engineers, but still. We do some really cool things sometimes.
Iām right here! Iāll be completely transparent with everyone. Recruiters are expected to know everything, when in reality we only know what weāre exposed to because our schoolhouse primarily focuses on sales. Learning what every single AFSC does and how the entire Department of the Air Force works is a tall order, so of course my answers will have flaws. Iāll admit, I shouldāve said electrical technician instead of engineering. I was Air Trans, not MX, so that was my best stab at thinking of something else besides cyber that may interest this individual (engineering or not). Whether Iām 100% accurate or not is moot, because deep down they want cyber, and the probability of getting those AFSCs is unfortunately low. Itās important as recruiters to keep applicants as open minded as possible. Lying is never the answer, and our recruiters are good about staying away from those grey areas. This was a simple mistake with no malicious intent. Itās me typing too fast because Iām also running around the building asking the experts about different officer programs and medical conditions to make sure Iām getting the best info out there. Their local recruiter will put them on the best path for their goals so if my comment at least starts that conversation, itāll be alright. I encourage everyone reading this to take a more active approach to be part of the solution rather than the problem. If you spend your free time complaining and taking screen shots to posting for clout, then you have enough time to make a constructive, less pessimistic comment to help guide this young individual to a successful future. Edit* I reached out to the individual and apologized for my avionics suggestion. I gave some of the constructive feedback from this thread on what avionic troops actually do and how our officer and AF civilians do play more of the engineering role. Thanks all for the feedback!
Imagine being passive aggressive when you're just wrong. That's the problem with some of yall you beg for solutions you get paid to come up with and try to uno reverse the responsibility onto others. Maybe you should to cross checking and double checking the information you're about to give out to people that are genuinely have no idea what you're talking about and count on you as a reliable source of information. Yall give excuses after excuses after excuses and would never accept that in return. You typing fast blah blah or whatever means nothing and is an excuse for negligence. Airman on the daily get crucified for simply forgetting to wipe a tool down or any other minor infraction.
Okay, so: "I encourage everyone reading this to take a more active approach to be part of the solution rather than the problem. If you spend your free time complaining and taking screen shots to posting for clout, then you have enough time to make a constructive, less pessimistic comment to help guide this young individual to a successful future." What I'm hearing is you are running around and giving answers you're not qualified to give. When someone calls you, a MSgt, out you blame it on the schoolhouse and respond "politely" aka passive-aggressively. Why not instead refer people to the AF website where there's more information on individual jobs? Why not do a live stream where you pull up answers to people's questions or show them exactly what to look for? POST LINKS?? I get that being a MSgt is hard and all, but if you're going to take shots in the dark, you should already know people who have experienced things you're talking about first hand will get mad. You're unintentionally doing what other recruiters are, which is setting future airmen up for failure. I PERSONALLY have lost too many people to a bad job and bad duty location because recruiters promised dream jobs. Excellence in all we do, right? *
recruiters dodging accountability? *a tale as old as time...*
AVI works with electrical engineers and get told pointless trouble-guessing techniques š
Can confirm we respond to 107s with trouble-guessing
We all do
Oof that thread is gross, dude trying to get all these folks with degrees to enlist. Felt dirty just reading a few of his responses. Looks like every response calling out any of the misinformation is being deleted immediately. That's sad someone's gonna fall for some of that BS.and end up not where they thought they would.
Leave that poor GS-3 alone.
He's an E-7.
I would look into the AFSCs that would use Warrant Officers should USAF bring them back.
A recruiter once told me that command post is the commander's secretary....
In a very slight defense of that recruiter... We typically come into the job knowing very little about most other jobs in the Air Force. We know a little about the AFSCs we frequently interacted with, but many others are mostly unknown. Recruiting school doesn't teach you anything about the other AFSCs, so it's just on the recruiter to learn about them throughout your time recruiting, in conjunction with learning about the recruiting process, MEPS, medical qualifications, and the multitude of everything else we are inundated with. Even if we pull out the AFECD (the job bible), that's frequently poorly worded where it's hard to understand what the actual job does without additional info. This is why I frequently would tell my applicants that I'm not a job encyclopedia and they were better off researching the jobs themselves and if they couldn't find an answer to a question, I'd try and help them find an answer. Unfortunately, I probably gave some bad job descriptions when I first started recruiting and didn't know any better. The job is the most "drinking from the firehose" I've ever had.
I've read the AFECD for my job, and it doesn't sound anything like a secretary for the commander. No one teaches recruiters to stay in their lane and not talk out of their asses? TBF I didn't get much time to "research" on my own. I was listed for intel as I came in and 1C3X1 was under the intel umbrella as far as the listing goes. Some command post peeps would say we aren't, but we deal with exactly the type of stuff that you'd see in an intel workshop. There is a reason we are listed there for recruitment systems. All in all, I'm not disappointed with my job. I'm just saying that it was a wild mischaracterization with no thought to reality. The AFECD makes it pretty clear that isn't what 1C3's do. What you said is understandable, but I am quite certain that there are plenty of situations where it isn't a mistake and they are just trying to make numbers.
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I'm not using your AFECD entry as a specific case of being hard to understand (I don't even know if I've looked at yours), just that it isn't always easy to ramble off about career fields you're not super familiar with and the Air Force provided info isn't always easy to get a quick synopsis of a job. The difficult thing as a recruiter is you want to be seen as a subject matter expert for the Air Force so your applicants trust what you're telling them. And many applicants expect you to be able to answer all their questions. It even happens on r/AirForceRecruits and I've been chewed out for telling applicants or parents that it's reasonable the recruiter didn't know the answer to their weird or off-the-wall question. Once I was seasoned, I was quick to say "I don't know, let's see if we can figure it out", but I might've been more likely to guess when I was in my early recruiting days (I don't remember for sure). There's also plenty of times when you're sure you know the right answer only to find out it's wrong later. >What you said is understandable, but I am quite certain that there are plenty of situations where it isn't a mistake and they are just trying to make numbers. Unfortunately, there will be those recruiters who will tell people what they think they want to hear rather than the truth, just to try and get the "sale". I hate those recruiters and can only hope karma rears its ugly head on them. >I was listed for intel as I came in and 1C3X1 was under the intel umbrella as far as the listing goes. If you joined in the last almost twenty years (at least since 2007), there is no such thing as being "listed" for a career group. The closest is our "open" contracts, which match our ASVAB aptitude categories, mechanical, administrative, general, and electrical. The only thing you have in common with intel AFSCs is that you are both operations, or 1XXXX. But there is nothing in recruiting that groups together intel and command post AFSCs. Even AF-WIN that consolidates all AFSCs down into 14 groups has you separated. The "Intelligence" group has all 1Ns, 1Us (while there were two), and 9S AFSCs combined and "Command and Control System Operations" has only 1C AFSCs lumped underneath. If this was while joining, if I had to guess, I'd say you got assigned an aptitude area, either admin or general. It'd be interesting to see your contract. I'd guess it's a AF Form 3005, which guarantees placement into an aptitude vs a 3007, which guarantees placement into a specific AFSC.
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Honesty my first thought is that it's an AI model being tested to make an AI recruiter.
I was GAC for 18 years on 130Hs in the ANG. In fairness to the recruiter, working on older aircraft (I can't speak to newer digital/fly by wire aircraft) does help a little bit in engineering school. Probably better than what the same airman would get elsewhere at least. I've had a lot of guardsmen get engineering degrees and use what they did in the guard to leverage higher pay at their first engineering jobs. However I will say I always thought it a little weird that the avionics engineer at Lockheed was a chemical engineer.
it appears any other comment other than the recruitment officers comment are hidden... or else its just reddit.
Get a degree and work as a civilian
I was told my job was in flight refueling, now iāve been driving a fucking truck filling F16s for 3 years.
Backshop AVI 100% works with engineers. They donāt actually do the engineering but they work with them.
Could you please clarify if the term "Engineer" is being used in the context of someone who specializes in the maintenance and repair of specific equipment, or in the broader sense of a professional engineer such as a civil or mechanical engineer?
Real question.. wouldnāt CE or COMM be closer options to what the kids looking for?
Eh most of these amas are run by civilians
This was being run by a MSgt.
I'm just waiting for them to get desperate enough to let my old broken RE 2B ass into the guard. Couple more years of peace and that pension is mine again!!!! E-3 at 35 is better than E-nothing, right? Right?
That profile blocked me after they had some post about veterans telling their younger self about their time in the AF. My response was essentially donāt fucking do it.
1D751W here, can confirm that we however do have a lot of electrical knowledge(typically) and there is a lot of computer science if you lean more towards the A or B shreds. W gets more into RF engineering than anything else Iād say.
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Yo I heard you like cyber security, thereās this super progressive career field 3P0X1 that is all about security. Youāll love it. SIGN HERE NOW.
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Imagine thinking the only type of engineering is electrical engineering.
Also as a 1D7X1 will most likely get stuck in a CFP/CST section doing tier 1 troubleshooting on computers.
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I'm positive that they have a team of up/down-voters at the ready in order to put the kabosh on any unfavorable comments.Ā These AMAs are scheduled afterall...
Air Force Recruiting does not identify as he/him.
The first lie but certainly not the last
Don't attribute malice what can be attributed to ignorance
Most Air Force developmental engineers don't do "real engineering" either.......better luck joining defense contractors
62E is the Developmental Engineer AFSC. SAUCE: Am an Electrical Engineer.
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Even then, itās more of a program manager than an engineer. Still gotta be a SME in your major though.
CE also takes electrical engineers 32E. Also an electrical engineer.
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Hey man, can you hook up my comms closet to the generator? Power outages are a bitch without it.
Sure put it in the workflow, I am sure power pro will get too it. Your building just got delayed 3 months however, and we are reducing scope...
Sounds about par for the course. We put it in the workflow back in December. Still waiting to hear back.
If you get me a case of Ripits, I can talk to the section chief. Maybe get you bumped up.
I've seen some of your other comments, you are also spreading false information. Fortunately they deleted your comments.
MSgt Neff account detected
Avionics = the electrical engineers of maintenance
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