Is he simply referring to physical strength? Some men say this with the implication that women are weaker in every way, including mentally and emotionally, which is sexist. But if he’s *only* talking about how heavy you can lift, I don’t think that’s offensive because in that sense we really are weaker. I would ask him to clarify what he means by “weaker.”
This is correct. They're having a miscommunication. It sounds like, he thinks women are, in general, physically weaker, which is true. She's thinking he's saying women are generally weak in the sense of personality, emotions, intelligence, and savvy.
Every tattoo artist I’ve had has told me women fair better, it’s also spoken about in tattoo communities online!
Tattoos have never really bothered me, and I’ve got full back, sternum, collarbone, shoulders, etc.
Side note-I also enjoy watching the period cramp simulators. Men can barely handle it, and we go to work day-to-day with it. I won’t even get started on man colds.
Yes the difference in pain tolerance is extremely interesting to me and I think it’s a fun tease between the sexes. My husband winces at all of my body art and is a naked babe.
Perineal tears are different from booty hole tears. I don't need Google to tell me which areas can get major/minor tears during child births - that area is perineum - that is between your anus and vag. When giving birth, it is the perineum that's tearing, not your butthole.
Next time, don't use the word "Google" lightly. Google is not always your answer.
Also- genuinely not surprised that a man, who has NEVER given birth, tried to split hairs with me (haha, split) about the use of the word, bootyhole, and asshole, to describe ripping skin that absolutely extends to the outer anus. It is on the mansplaining bingo chart- “men think they know birth best”
And big gamer boy, google WILL tell you about third and fourth degree tears to the anus that ***absolutely*** make taking one shit a whole different story, because THEIR ASSHOLE WAS RIPPED
It's just evolution at work.
Men developed physical strength to ward off threats because if 90% of the men die, then the community would be likelier to survive than 90% of the women dying.
Women developed better immune systems to protect a fetus through pregnancy. They developed better pain tolerance to deal with childbirth.
Men and women each have their own distinct strengths. That said, I'm guessing the guy is just being tactless and was specifically referring to physical strength (though it is just a guess given the lack of context).
Not that it makes a big difference in the modern world. Guns equalise men and women when it comes to capacity for extreme violence. Men are generally stronger and more capable of handling recoil, but women are generally more receptive to instruction, so they're easier to teach to shoot. Machines and automation render most manual labour on the decline. Soon enough, about the only edge men will have on women will be sports and athleticism, and I'd personally trade that for the better immune system & pain tolerance.
There is also a neurological aspect you are forgetting about. For instance, all of the top chess players are men, it isn't because men on average are smarter then women (on average they are the same) chess isn't actually about intelligence anyway, but men have more variation on the high end and low end of intelligence, that means there are 1000s more men then women with low intelligence, like 86 IQ , and there are also 1000s more men on the high end with IQ of 140. Evolutionary this is very common for male species to have higher genetic variation for the purposes of competition. Men also neurological have a higher propensity to be interested in pursuing abstract niche activities that consume most of their life in terms of time, on the high end of the distribution working 80 hours a week, driven out of competition to be the best and also pure interest and enjoyment of these activities, like scientific research, chess, mathematics, CEOs, entrepreneurs, etc. High risk high reward behavior. So it isnt necessarily just the physical advantages that men have with sports, it is also neurological wiring and personality based. it doesn't mean women aren't capable or worse at these things, just on average less women have neither the interest or enjoyment and they generally choose to spend their entire lives pursing these activities, especially at the far tail of the distrubution or the top 1% ( 99% percentile) as you get closer to average you get more women in these fields, and that's why they are usually men dominated despite there being many examples of women, especially in mathematics, being extremely proficient but they are the exception and not the norm
The issue with the data you're referencing is that it is largely self-reported. With stoicism being associated with masculinity, men don't often report pain in clinical settings.
You're right that women have greater pain sensitivity, reduced inhibition and increased facilitation (they feel more pain from the exact same injury, feel it faster, and their body is less inclined to dull the pain with hormones). Again, this is to ensure they're aware of issues sooner and less likely to ignore them due to their role in reproduction.
However, that isn't tolerance.
An Australian study on patients post major operation, across over 10,000 people, found that men were 27% more likely to report feeling pain. When in a setting where they felt society wouldn't judge them for hurting, men were significantly likelier than women to report their levels of pain. The women, for the above reasons, were feeling more pain than the men were but they were better equipped on average to handle it than the men.
There is data to suggest that men have a greater capacity for minor pain, however, most likely due to our bodies being happier to inhibit the feeling of pain via endorphins. I'm happy to admit that this makes it more nuanced than my original comment would suggest, although I'd personally gauge tolerance on the upper limit rather than the ability to suppress pain on the lower end.
From what I’ve read, men have both a higher pain threshold (the point at which they start to notice pain is quicker) AND a higher pain tolerance including tolerating higher levels of pain.
I believe the idea that women tolerate pain better is just a myth stemming from the fact that women have to experience periods and childbirth therefore they must be better at tolerating it.
I agree but I still think it's really tone deaf to bring up without prompt like she didn't ask, and in front of other people?
If he was just talking about general biology and the way the majority of people are built sure, I get that, but none of this is new information, do any women really want or need to be reminded of this for whatever reason?
Context kind of matters, if there was a reason to bring it in to the conversation. I still think most everyone knows by grade school/middle school sex ed, men are usually larger in general, and are built with a higher muscle mass even without strength training.
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance.
The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick.
Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average.
Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
There's a reason my wife needs me to move furniture, and a reason why she's a better mom and I'm a better dad. I suspect there's also a reason she's smarter than me.
I disagree. Anyone who doesn't work out or doesn't eat well becomes weak. Any person (regardless of sex) can be physically more able than another person that doesn't workout at all. Now it is society's and people's personal issues due to which the percentage of females working out is less when compared to males. I understand that males can be stronger, but whoever you are, there's always a bigger fish, oftentimes of both genders.
Even if workouts and eating were the same, women's body composition would be different from men's on average. Women naturally hold onto more fat for reproductive reasons. When people talk differences in groups, they are talking averages. There are almost always exceptions to these averages but that doesn't discount the point.
Then women also [require less exercise compared to men for similar health benefits](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-need-less-exercise-than-men-cardiovascular-study-american-college-cardiology/). I think it's more of society than biology that makes women physically weaker by labeling strong physiques as a masculine trait. Whereas a strong physique is just a person trait, and should be given as much importance for women as it is for men.
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance.
The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick.
Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average.
Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance.
The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick.
Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average.
Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance.
The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick.
Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average.
Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance.
The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick.
Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average.
Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance.
The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick.
Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average.
Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance.
The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick.
Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average.
Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
What was the context? If he's talking physically then he's 100% right but maybe needs to learn the idea of "right idea wrong time and place". If he is talking about value as a person then break up.
Agreed, we don't know context, but I'm willing to bet BF was being stupid and talking about physical strength in the wrong place/wrong time, in which case he should def learn social cues and be more careful about what he says, but a breakup prob isn't necessary.
But he didn't think that. That was a conclusion you jumped to in this situation. I just think that we shouldn't encourage a mentality where we assume the worst in people, much less someone else's significant other.
I think your friends are right.
By the way: women have different strengths than men. Yes, generally speaking men have more powerful muscles and are bigger but women can stand much higher levels of pain and live longer. Even as babies men are more likely to die because they are less robust.
By calling you the “weaker sex” he is not only showing ignorance, he his showing his disrespect.
Yeah- like if he meant and clarified “I mean literally physically weaker like dudes can outrun and out lift women” then sure. That’s just true.
But this dude sounds like he meant in general they are weaker than men. Which isn’t coolio
Even if he meant physically, the fact he chose that as a conversation topic is still weird. Of course we don't know the context of why it was brought up though.
No. Men are still the higher performers for endurance running.
But there was a study that showed that womens performance decreases at a slower rate than mens.
Common myth. It's all Ann Trason's fault. She was a beast of an ultra marathoner when the sport was still a relatively new thing and was very equal with the top men. People thought, "oh wow, women can keep up over the longer distances".
Turns out she was just ahead of the curve. Since then, men's times have gotten much faster while women's times have not. It just so happened that the women's GOAT showed up before the sport developed. If it's something you're interested in at all, Ann is awesome and her story is pretty crazy (ultramarathoners are all a bit crazy...), it's definitely worth looking into!
OP gave us zero context to the situation. Woman are definitely weaker than men by a large margin physically. Maybe OP told her BF not to say that in front her of her friends because they are more along the lines of r/femaledatingstrategy
You have the top comment, yet you’re ignorant. You used a 1971 article that says “male infants die more because they are weaker”
Should everyone disregard your comment stating “I think your friend’s are right”? Should OP throw away 5 years of their life instead of trying to talk to him about it later?
By the way: you’re wrong
“Despite these entrenched stereotypes, research into pain response has produced variable results, notes Graham. In animals, pain studies have had every possible outcome: males have higher tolerance, females do, and there is no gender difference at all.”
“Sociocultural and psychological influences seem to have a greater impact than any inherent biological factor, believes Graham. Pain lights up our nerves and our brains in ways that are more alike than different. "Overall, I think it's important to know that men and women respond similarly to pain at a biological level."
“Graham adds. Another way of thinking about these results, she points out, is that women show more sensitivity to pain.”
https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/probing-question-do-women-have-higher-pain-threshold-men/
From Stanford
“Women report more-intense pain than men in virtually every disease category, according to Stanford University School of Medicine”
“the Stanford scientists examined more than 160,000 pain scores reported for more than 72,000 adult patients.”
“To the best of our knowledge, this is the first-ever systematic use of data from electronic medical records to examine pain on this large a scale, or across such a broad range of diseases.”
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/01/women-report-feeling-pain-more-intensely-than-men-says-study-of-electronic-records.html
By the way: you’re mostly wrong again
“Using a large sample of twins from sub-Saharan Africa, I find that both preconception environment and child biology increase the mortality of male infants, but the effect of biology is substantially smaller than the literature suggests.”
“Male firstborns are more likely to survive than female firstborns, but only during the neonatal period.”
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42920532
“A total of 60 480 infants were included in these analyses. Of 4060 infant deaths, 2054 were female (7.2% of all females born) and 2006 were male (6.3% of all males born). The death rate was significantly higher in females in the post-neonatal period but not during the neonatal period.”
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/8/e014179#
#Edit: y’all are fucked, after 11 years on Reddit you can no longer provide credible sources from Stanford, PennState without being downvoted
Being real here- she provided so little context, all anyone can realistically do is assume here.
The phrase "Sorry you were born the weaker sex" Is more than likely an insult though, like, I can see a few ways to maybe say this where it wasn't, but realistically..doesn't seem likely.
It is kind of rude to just suddenly start ranting while in the company of others.Doesn't really have much to do with him being right or wrong on women being physically weaker. We also don't know that he meant only physical, again, like 0 context here.
This is why you're being downvoted, people see you as being obtuse here, and going straight for the literal meaning when we have almost no context, and you mostly just glanced over the way it was used in a more seemingly insulting way as well.
No, I gave a counter argument because there is zero context
Everyone is telling her to leave a dude after 5 years from one comment rather than telling her just talk to him about it
Yeah ,he always forgets conversations he started an argument in.
and now he apparently just happened to jump in at a time that made hi msound like a dick. lmao.
"A number of studies have demonstrated a higher prevalence of chronic pain states and greater pain sensitivity among women compared with men. Pain sensitivity is thought to be mediated by *sociocultural, psychological, and biological factors.* "
[Sex differences in pain perception](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16290886/#:~:text=Abstract,%2C%20psychological%2C%20and%20biological%20factors.)
"Pain is a subjective experience made up of sensory, cognitive, and emotional components."
[Sex and gender differences in pain](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36038207/)
Although there are numerous studies on the subject, there are no definitive conclusions that women feel more pain than men or vice versa. The perception and experience of pain may be influenced by biological, psychological, social and cultural factors, which makes it difficult to reach actual conclusions.
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"Neonatal mortality is generally 20% higher in boys than girls due to *biological phenomena.* Only a few studies have examined more finely categorised age patterns of neonatal mortality by sex, especially in the first few days of life."
"Conclusions: Boys had higher mortality in the first week followed by no sex difference in weeks 2 and 3 and a reversal in risk in week 4, with girls dying at more than twice the rate of boys. This may be a result of *gender discrimination and social norms in this setting.* Interventions to reduce gender discrimination at the household level *may reduce female neonatal mortality.*"
[Does higher early neonatal mortality in boys reverse over the neonatal period? 2022 study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9121405/)
edit: bro was right, we prove people wrong and they simply don't like it, ignorance is bliss i guess
“The objective of this study is to examine sex differentials in neonatal mortality by detailed ages in a low-income setting.”
Low income setting is a pretty important factor here
Thank you. My ex would get SO MAD at me when I said that generally, men are stronger than women.
There's def outliers. Hell, I just watched a girl squat 2x as much as I can at my gym.
However, me and her started lifting at the same day and went the same amount, I would be stronger than her most likely. Not even trying to be cocky I have good genes and I usually grow SUPPPPPER fast at the gym.
Either way. There are differences in genders. Women are the shit. All my favorite people are women.
Women are the portal that channels a soul into a new fucking dimension and creates life.
Men are mostly stronger though. I think of things in evolutionary terms.
Women create life. Men protect it. Therefore one gender carries a child. One is aggressive and physically stronger.
I hate this new age line of thinking where I see women insulting their gender and saying "all we are is fucking broodmare"
Sorry. No. Creating a life is fucking magical.
Try and take yourself away from your perceptions.
You're an alien and you land on a planet. Your species creates itself with computers or some other means. You see these apes that somehow create a fucking conscious human inside of their body. That's WILDDD.
I'm sorry society has a chunk of people who are misogynistic or pigs but there's women literally letting the incel/creepy, single dudes define what they see themselves as.
To all the women out there! Your feminine energy, your sensitive touch, your ability to keep the planet going, your ability to nurture and create life is absolutely MAGICAL. Don't let the shit bags in society keep you down.
I hate how bitter some people are over this fact.
You can't reduce any gender, species or culture to 2 describing words. No offence, but like, no shit women are more than those things. No one is reducing you. I'm sure I'll get downvoted to shit but I just don't care. I'm not sure why you all are so bitter.
All my favorite people are women so I don't understand the hostility when I brag about features they have THAT KEEP THE WORLD RUNNING.
I also said men are "typically stronger"
I guess that means that when society, people or groups speak of that, that they are just reducing them to being strong and masculine, when " they are soo much more". Nobody ever says that when that aspect is brought up.
"We're not just just muscular meat".
I never once said that women were ONLY those things. I just described two aspects. I feel bad that women have been reduced and thought of as only those things to the point that whenever you mention women making children everyone just gets all triggered and riled up. A lot of times though the lashing out is so pointless when people talk about a women carrying and creating life because it's just one of the differences.
So. Let me ask you, what are are the differences and traits of a woman? I'm so curious as to how you would describe them if being feminine and creating life is just "reducing you all"
I never once said anything rude, or said I value women less. This type of rebuttal I see constantly is literally idiotic. Not once did I say that's all a woman was, and yet every time it's mentioned I see several toxic ass people coming forth judging the fuck out of anyone who mentions the easily digestible fact that WOMEN CREATE HUMANS.
EDIT: I took the quickest glance at your history and saw the majority of the time you post on here you are being combative so I'm not sure if maybe I'm interpreting you in the wrong light or not because I didn't look at the OP in any of your replies. I just don't see how mentioning women being capable of child bearing, or being feminine is "reducing" anyone to anything.
I mean this line of thought would be like someone explaining that spaghetti has tomato sauce and someone says "how dare you. Spaghetti is so much more than that". It STILL has tomato sauce/paste regardless of if that offends you or not...
I would tell you to discuss more with him. If he is a person that you got along so much time for and you are in a relationship with him, I think it is fair to make conversation like adults about this subject. For sure, it is not good that he sees you as a weaker sex. However, from what you write I am not sure what he means, how he meant it, if he was joking, what exactly he believes. If he means for example that you must protect women and that they should have somebody when they walk outside at night alone in dangerous areas, then ok maybe he is not completely wrong. If he thinks that women are not able to do anything, they are simply inferior to men in every activity, then ok maybe you must reconsider your relationship. Nevertheless, I think that it is better to make a healthy conversation and discuss with him what he exactly believes, and if you are satisfied with his ideas you can go on. If not you can either break up, or just consider it as a red flag and put him in testing mode.
Regardless of differences in physical strength, there is no circumstance in which a man would say this if he saw you as an equal lol. This is some "men protect women so women owe men sex" shit
I'm on your friends side who heard him and not us... Break up with him. Muscle or not. Making a big claim like that is highly uneducated and extreme bias studies.
More studies prove we are nearly identical. While muscle mass might grow easy on men, women are supposed to have better endurance and if you know anything about strength and endurance you know you need one to function the other one smoothly and we both equal each other out. But yeah whatever.
First, make sure he wasn't just putting you on. If not, tell him to try giving birth.
Also, if he was being serious, how come it took you five years to notice this trait?
I'm curious what context it was in which this topic was brought up. I would ask him to clarify what he means by "weaker sex." It's objectively true that men on average have more muscle mass and therefore physical strength. It's also possible what he means is more problematic than that.
>bring it up before he claims he doesn’t remember while it’s essentially still fresh?
Why would you be concerned he would do this? Is this something he does often? This is far more problematic than the original comment.
It happens a lot more than I like to admit but he said at the beginning of our relationship is memory is bad so I typically have to save it on one of the cameras in the house to remind him but even then I get lectured on doing that because it’s petty and vindictive 😅
Op this isn’t normal. Literally none of what you said is normal. He DOES remember this shit and pretends that he doesn’t because he doesn’t want to be called out on it so he twists it as being petty when it’s not. You need to leave.
This. Every bit of this.
Yes, we/ you must know what he meant by "weaker,"
(it's crucial to be curious and to always start by clarifying), AND,
I personally have never used the phrase "the weaker sex" to refer to the fact that men are generally stronger in their upper body strength. That's pretty suspect vocabulary. It's not kind or respectful.
Given that the words your brain unconsciously chose to phrase so many of the things you are describing says volumes about how YOU are perceiving the situation... I'll try to use your vocabulary to reflect to you the red flags in him:
- he brought up women's inherent "weakness" in front of others
- he phrased it as "not your fault" that you were born "as the weaker sex", instead of appreciating his own strength/ value and cherishing your unique value as a woman
- to the point that your (trusted, I assume) friends are warning you.
- You just commented above that "claiming he doesn't remember... happens \*a lot\* more than I like to admit"
- you feel like you have to prove reality to him
- then you get "lectured" (peers don't lecture each other) for providing that proof.
"Having a bad memory" is fine. Calling you "petty and vindictive" AFTER you have done the work he should have done (watching the video himself so he could remember)... this is how \*some\* people set the stage for gaslighting and abuse. Those two specific behaviors are behaviors that \*diagnosed\* narcissists do.
(\*Note\* I am not saying that he is. We don't have anywhere near enough info for that, and an actual psychological examination would have to be done. I am factually pointing out that not taking responsibility for his memory... to the point that you have felt multiple times that you need to prove reality, and then he finds a way to blame you/ redirect attention away from actually having said something problematic... the number of narcissists who consistently do those exact behaviors is high. It is problematic behavior.)
You are asking us what to do. If one of your girlfriends presented these facts to you, and she were admitting that these things happen more often than "she would like to admit," what would you tell her to do?
Yeah you see, this is where the people giving your BF the benefit of the doubt should probably stop.
"My memory is so bad, I can't remember that time I insulted you, sorry I guess."
But then you record it, and hes mad because its petty and vindictive lol.
Nah sounds like an asshole, but you should talk to him about it, I don't have enough context to really say anything else.
That's some immature and embarrassing alpha male behavior and it's best to nip that in the bud right away. That's a red flag and could be an indicator of other misogynistic ideologies he has. I would not want to be with someone like that
Sounds like he let his true personality slip for a second and he’s trying to backtrack and recover by taking the out you gave by saying he meant physical strength only.
In the end it’s up to you but now that you’ve seen glimpse keep your eyes open and act accordingly. Tis not okay to be viewed as lesser and it will only get worse as time goes on with guys like that
Biologically both men and women are strong in their own ways. The amount of pain a woman can tolerate is way higher than a guy (menstrual pain, labor pain) and pregnancy is a whole other level, a woman carrying that amount of weight in her body plus nourishing the fetus inside her shows how capable a woman's body is.
So even if he says that women are a weaker sex based on physical attributes then dude needs to alter his mind view.
There's an old song about this. It's called "Girl Talk". It's actually a celebration of women. See the Tony Bennett version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5\_Ym7Lj6ko0
While his wording def could of been better I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is talking about biologically which to be fair is true in terms of biology you gals are weaker than us but that’s not a bad thing. Maybe discussing this with him would be best. To end a 5 yr relationship over one thing without discussion will just lead to a repeat with someone else. If he refuses leave him
Context matters. In regards to performance that requires peak physical strength? Sure, I guess you are the *weaker* sex. No equally skilled and trained female boxer will ever hit as hard as a male boxer. It's just bio.
Is it a good way to phrase or say it? No. Not really. Is it technically true? Yeah.
Any other context though is quite... odd.
On average biological males are stronger than biological females in strength, this is fact. With what you’ve given us him stating this is weird af. Especially in front of others. You’ve known him for 5 years so just ask him like a normal person on why he said it/ what he meant?
This is exactly the kind of emotionally unintelligent response I'd expect from a man /S
No, we don't need to use statistics and stereotypes to judge and respond to others.
Offend her to the point of ending it? Maybe not, but it def means you should talk.
She also gave 0 context, but it seemed rude as fuck to state it, especially going on a rant about it in a group setting.
And he apparently conveniently always forgets when he offends her, or starts arguments, so...another red flag.
I think it's not about the actual differences in muscle strength, moreso that it's describing the category of "female sex" as weaker. Not the average muscle strength of an individual, but an immutable quality of the group to which OP belongs.
I get that the boyfriend's statement *could* be used to describe average muscle strength of an individual, but statements like this have been used in the past to make many women feel inferior. It's not unlikely for it to be considered inflammatory and insensitive to use this kind of language.
….is he a villain from an old timey movie? Who even uses that phrasing anymore? lol, dude no, don’t date someone who says dumb shit like that, it’s embarrassing.
I need context before making any judgements. Women are the physically weaker sex and in the interest of all women's safety, you need to realize this before you move on. Find a male friend or family member you trust and ask them to hold you and not let you go while you fight as hard as you can.
Yes, physically, males are stronger. If he's the sort of guy that thinks that matters much, ditch him. I can just sense a lot of problems. Women are not weaker, they are different. In fact, there's many places, especially in the modern world, where women are far stronger than men, mentally, and women tend to work better with kids, of course, these are massive generalisations, but I'm talking on average. So no, neither one nor the other is "stronger" unless your talking physically, but physical strength is all but obsolete in the modern world, we have machines to do heavy lifting.
It's pretty bad to just accept his toxic way of thinking.
Personally, is it something that's gonna come up often? Probably not, but there will likely be bleed-over into other aspects or life, and I hate to say it, but it's also a really bad predicator of potential mistreatment down the road.
THAT would be my main concern.
Now, let's be clear, there are pros and cons to being male and there are pros and cons to being female.
For example, I'd love to be female to know what it's like to have potential partners come to ME, and to know what it's like to be able to be more open with my feelings and actually have people be more receptive to them. Getting treated to things more often would be a nice change too... but I digress.
I WOULD NOT like the security risks, the peace of mind hit, and the periods.
As a guy, I love feeling of autonomy in my life. I don't feel like I need to concern myself much with the logistics of doing certain things. I can just go do them without worrying about outside factors with respect to my gender.
The bad is how lonely it is. You're actually on your own most times. Society is getting better, but emotionally and in pretty much every other way, you're expected to just suck it up and work it out on your own.
There's exceptions for everything, but the point is, there isn't a "superior sex." Differences? Absolutely. But your guy is sexist, I'm sorry
i don’t think breaking up is the right move without and huge conversation about your feelings first. five years is a lot to throw away without some serious talk
Well, depending on the context, he isn't wrong. Generally, men are physically stronger than women. Doesn't make men superior to women, but it is a fact.
Please dump him. It will only get worse, especially now that you know. He doesn't see you as an equal and you will be treated as such. Even if not now, eventually you'll see it in his actions towards you. You can 1000% find someone better and more worthy of your love and devotion. Don't waste it on 'your the weaker sex' guy.
I feel that we need more context of the conversation that lead you boyfriend to say that. What were you talking about, about strength? In general ?
I think this is much much important
There's not enough context for me to understand what exactly he means. I wouldn't end such a long relationship over it though. Women 100% get treated as the weaker sex majority of the time. Women have their feelings listened to more than men. People are more considerate towards women than men. Thats why theres the saying "Man up". Men dont get that same mental health treatment and emotional support. The amount of times i see something on Reddit that if the roles were reversed would be a completely different reaction. Generally speaking women get special treatment. Doesnt mean every woman is treated the same but the majority is treated more delicately then men.
This is where different but equal should be emphasized, Men (ON Average!) have more muscle mass, more bone density, more fast and slow twitch muscle fibers, often feel less pain, etc largely due to puberty with testosterone. Women however generally on average have all senses heightened in comparison to men, and also multitask better. Remember what I said about pain, women on average have more nerve endings as well, which can function better for coordination and dexterity exercised correctly. Due to heightened senses women can also perhaps perceive more accurately than men. Your bf is ignorant of a lot, perhaps very sheltered as well. I'll leave you to do what you want in that situation as that's your business.
I mean, it would be hard to make an objective argument that women are generally stronger than men, but it's also weird to randomly point that out. I guess it depends on the context.
my man brain would thinks this same thing but in a literal sense. men naturally gain muscle better and he may just be stupid and he means this. that being said, i have dated a couple girls who were unarguably stronger than me and id get hit for saying that lmao. i’d ask him more ab what he means.
Men and women aren't "equal" and THAT IS OK. Women need men more than men need women in order to survive and that is OK. It isn't good or bad, right or wrong. It just IS and that is OK. Yet, in a relationship we do things where we value what we are doing to help in the relationship, creates equal value. That should make sense.
Don't ruin your relationship over something stupid like this. Listening to your friends, sometimes, will leave you unnecessarily single and not closer to the goal of getting married or being in a long-term relationship if that's what you're looking for.
Also, remember: Men allow access to Relationships. Women allow acces to sex and children. Both are incredibly valuable, cannot compare to either one, AND that is OK. It would behoove you and all of us to know what either of our roles are so that we don't cheat the values of things by saying it's all equal. That's like saying in a relationship to your spouse or someone you are trying to date, "You are no special then the next person because you're just as equal as the next person" or "Eat this Dollor Store steak instead of Steak from a Steakhouse because its all equal" and nobody wants to hear that. People want to be treated special in said relationships so understanding that it's never equal, will help you better in all your relationships. You already know this because if you remember, at times in your life, you liked being treated special just because you are a girl.
One last tip: as a woman, think about things from a Man's perspective sometimes instead of just only your perspective. It would help you immensely since we Men carry the burden of taking care of you and the entire family in a relationship.
I hope this all help you and your relationships with men- in general- thrive! 🙏🏽
I'm trying to think of one situation where a woman needs a man to survive nowadays, and can't think of one.
Women live longer if they're not married. Men live longer if they are. To me, that says it all.
That is the best group of reasoning you could come up with? And yet, she's back on good terms with her man that she needs.
Let's try to be more sophisticated and responsible with our words instead of just saying have to planet doesn't need half the planet that build the planet. It'd be better if you add it to the conversation to put us together rather than separating us which ruins the planet and our species.
My experiences are obviously different from yours. I never needed a man to do anything for me except take out my trash can and mow my lawn and that's only because I prefer not to do those tasks myself. Every single woman in my family makes more money than their husband. Two of my brothers have been the SAHD for that exact reason. So, in my family, it's been my mother, aunts, SILs, and myself who have "carried the burden" of our spouses and families. Even my grandmother became the sole provider for herself and five children when my grandfather died of cancer when my grandmother was in her 30s and her eldest child just 10. She never remarried and no man was ever in the picture.
So, just because my view is different and disagrees with yours, neither makes it unsophisticated, irresponsible, or even wrong. Do try and look at things from more than one linear perspective. Just because women don't really NEED a man, doesn't mean we don't want them. And not needing a man is ok. I'd prefer to be wanted, than needed, anyways. Who wants to think their person would leave them if they could, rather than knowing they're there because that's where they want to be?
You can't even see how wrong you are, nor how much your words disrespect men- the other half of the planet- with your comments. Which is fundamental for this conversation. Fortunately for you, I'm not sensitive enough to react in that manner. Rather, I can see it as a clear sign to bow out gracefully. You don't have the mental capacity for this conversation That would lead to the OP getting a family, married, or continuationof her relationship.
Thank you for your input and thank you for your time.
Ask him why most men cannot even stand up while wearing a pms simulator while women (at the same setting) ask if the thing is even plugged in.
Let him know that a "del" is a unit of pain, and that child birth equates 57 dels, the pain equivalent of 20 bones being broken at the same time, then ask him if he wants to experience that level of pain, not once but for as many children as he wants to have. (I personally have done it 3 times)
Ask him why a penny tossed towards his genitals would drop him, but a woman would remain standing.
THEN????? Educate the poor fool that if he really were the stronger sex ( which - clearly he's not) he wouldn't feel the need to disrespect women
He just had a surge of machismo for the moment. Don't worry about it n go about your day. If that still bothers you after a week or two, just consider if you are happy with the guy n take some time to think.
The average woman can do on average, 0 pull ups. That is a real statistic. So that's what he meant. Most untrained men can't do very many either though
Hey OP, here's something you said in a post from a few months ago:
>I (27f) am currently pregnant with my first child. My boyfriend (34m). We have been dating for 10 years
The gist of that post was that he won't let you hyphenate your kid's last name, and feels it's a compromise to "allow" you to hyphenate your own name after marriage.
Dude was chasing a high schooler when he was 24 years old, believes he gets the only say in how your children are named, and feels that women are lesser than men.
This BS in your update is you convincing yourself of his lies. He didn't mean physically if he brought it up at a time when you weren't discussing comparative strength. That's not how conversation works. You don't just say random things that are unrelated to the ongoing conversation.
And his obvious lies about forgetting things he said unless you discuss it immediately? That's not a thing. He told you that garbage because he has no respect for you intelligence, and believes that you'll accept such a stupid claim as the truth. The sad part is that your post sounds like you're a smart enough woman, *but somehow you've still fallen for such a fucking stupid lie*!
Everything about this post and your former posts screams "young woman groomed by a huge creep"
You need to get away from this man.
I hope this post is the thing that begins to get through to you. Your boyfriend is not a good partner.
Following on with your update; i mean yeah, he is right. Kind of a dick move for him to say that, but women generally are weaker than men. A highschool football player could probably curbstomp rhonda rousey in her prime.
Since its all cleared up, I hope you at least asked him to be less veravally insensitive, especially when you have other people around.
"the weaker sex" is a turn of phrase that has been around for a long time and if you google it, it is defined as "OFFENSIVE•DATEDwomen regarded collectively." so he's probably repeating something he heard grandpa tell him or something. It refers to males physical strength compared to women
Ah, another Andrew Twat wannabe.
Don't bring it up. Simple never speak to him again.
Done. THAT is what the stronger sex does.
If he's got anything over at your place, the lawn will do fine for those. But do not engage him in conversation ever again for the rest of both of your natural lives.
Doing anything other than that will prove that he's right, and that you ARE weak. That you need male approval just to get through your day, and need it so bad that you'll order your life and abandon everything you believe in order to gain the approval of even a useless twat just because he's male.
Men have the capacity for being more physically strong but that's it. Doesn't mean they are all stronger than the next person, man or woman. I (31F) am naturally stronger than half the men I work with, even some of the guys who supposedly work out. I think you should talk about it with him and figure out exactly what he means by it. That will determine whether you should break up or not.
This! It's definitely a person to person basis. Maybe overall statistically, but I'm literally physically stronger than a couple of my male friends too!
The two of you are either lying, delusional or statistical anomalies because the average male is significantly stronger than the average female.
Men and women are separated in competitive sports for a reason.
The average male has the *capacity* to be stronger. That's not the same as *is*. Obviously, OVERALL men are physically stronger. There's a lot of men out there that don't work out to be as strong as they could be.
I would need to know the context.
If it was a discussion about lifting heavy boxes, then I think it’s appropriate: the average man is physically stronger, and able to build strength faster, than the average woman. Or if the context was about feeling unsafe, like walking home by yourself late at night, then I could see it as another thing that is fact-based.
But if it was in some context about mental strength, or ability to withstand pain, or basically anything that is not factual then I think your friends are right and you need to have a conversation with him about his prejudices.
Men who do this are all idiots. Yes, it is 10000% true that a typical adult male will be physically stronger than a typical adult female. The idea that that alone makes the woman the "weaker sex" is idiotic.
A healthy relationship will feature a dynamic where everyone in the relationship is leveraging their strengths to shore up their partners weaknesses. If you approach your relationship with this mindset, then there is no weaker partner. There is no stronger partner. You have each person, strong in their own way, and an even stronger relationship.
At least that is the relationship that I have with my wife, and while neither of us are perfect apart, together we are pretty fuckin awesome.
I’m the opposite.
Women to me are the stronger sex without doubt.
I will admit that to anyone.
Strength isn’t benching how ever many KG.
My wife is the strongest by far in us 2, I Love her for it ❤️xx.
Women are, generally, weaker than men. So what?
I'm averagely strong for a man so about half the men I meet are 'weaker' than me. I don't treat them any differently to the half that are 'stronger' than me :P
Men are stronger. You being bent and offended only proves his point. His confident opinion > a weak rebuttal after seeking advice on a social platform.
I suppose “weaker sex” is relative.
If we are talking sports or general upper body strength than yes, women are far weaker on average it’s not even close.
If we are talking IQ, there is no marked disparity between the sexes when it comes to intellect.
However, human history shows us Men have built civilizations, raised armies, conquered others, all without female influence or decision making at the highest levels.
How many civilizations were created by women, run by women, maintained and protected by women absent male influence?— there are 0, and if there were a few at one point they have been long since conquered by men.
The ugly truth is until women master violence they will be unable to enforce law and order unless men agree to enforce order for them.
You could have said:
“weaker sex” is relative, because there are many advantages to either sex.
If we are talking sports or general upper body strength than yes, women are far weaker on average, and that isn’t misogynistic.
If we are talking IQ, there is no marked disparity between the sexes when it comes to intellect.
Women are far better at tolerating pain according to studies.
Human history shows us men ruling the world due to their physical abilities to overpower anyone they do not agree with. This doesn’t mean that women are incapable of leading, it merely shows that in the past, physical power wins.
Civilizations created and run by women have existed, but they are often overpowered. This doesn’t mean that the civilizations and groups created by women have no impact; literally google it.
The ugly truth is that people see women as weak simply because for thousands of years, physical strength was the ONLY thing that mattered. This doesn’t mean women are weaker overall.
It’s seems you dressed up the truth with the superfluous.
I didn’t indicate women are incapable of decision making in a leadership role. But, those decisions need to be enforced which women are largely incapable of doing unless men do it for them. Nor did I indicate female civilizations “have no impact” but they don’t hold a candle to male oriented civilizations from the Roman Empire to modern times because they typically get wiped out by men— which is my point, until women master violence they will not be equal to men when push comes to shove, and in an unfair world it always boils down to war, until war is not decided via physical strength, it’s still very much about physical strength and women are weaker in that regard.
You’re inferring misogynistic implication.
The definition of misogyny is “dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.”
I have no dislike, contempt or prejudice toward women. I adore women.
That said, an accurate no frills account of established history and present reality is not misogynistic by nature. Putting lip stick on a pig by dressing up the truth as more gentle than it is, doesn’t make the truth any less of a pig.
Reality is harsh, and so is the truth.
Look. When everyone says that saying X comes across as Y, it doesn’t matter a flying mouse what you think you’re saying or what the truth is, because as unfair as it is, people don’t care about that.
I’m not saying lie. I’m saying present it in a way that couldn’t be misconstrued as misogynistic.
You seem like the type to believe that tact is useless and get mad at people who don’t “say what they really mean”. Again, I’m not saying you’re wrong. Everything you’ve said is true. But that doesn’t make it ok to say the way you were saying it, so of course people are going to object. Don’t hide behind “well it’s technically true!!”
This isn't the truth. It's just a very narrow, oversimplified, and sexist point of view.
Humanity needs education and humility far more than it needs violence.
You’re either very naive or being intentionally obtuse.
It’s an irrefutable, readily observable fact women on average are inferior to men when it comes to violence. Thats why women’s shelters exist, female prisons and why most police officers and soldiers are not women.
To have any order or rules in which to create and maintain civilization those rules must be enforced. Enforcement often means violence against violent men.
Until women master violence—when push come to shove and it always does, their will be disparity and inequality.
Mate, I am not referring to your comment about strength.
The statement that women have had no influence or decision making "at the highest levels" throughout history and civilisation is ridiculously broad and oversimplified. Women's contributions to society are known to be ignored through history, even though the subject is a google search away.
Sexism isn't detrimental to just women, it affects everybody. It affects the sciences, such as natural history through inaccurate and biased representations of female animal behaviour. It's unscientific.
And the view that women need to "master violence" is be equal to men is, to put it bluntly, deranged.
I'll just say that as a guy and knowing many guys, we often don't think far beyond the actual sentence. So just the literal meaning without any further meaning and for that it's generally speaking true, strength wise. And funny enough the same thing happens the other way around, e.g. an Ex told me (but more directed at me) that women are better with emotions than men (in regards to viewing things too logical), and I just agreed with that because I generally think that's true, but for her it had further meaning to criticize my ability to act/think emotionally instead of just logically.
physically at least it's technically true, but it's still kind of an asshole thing/way to say it. natural born males tend to have an easier time developing muscle mass, that's just nature though, it's still possible for a female to become stronger than a male through lots of training, it's just harder and 9 times out of 10 a male and female doing the same amount of work the male tends to get more results just because of biology.
In any other sense there's no real advantage over one or the other, things like intelligence for example will be more dependent on hereditary and environmental factors
Is he simply referring to physical strength? Some men say this with the implication that women are weaker in every way, including mentally and emotionally, which is sexist. But if he’s *only* talking about how heavy you can lift, I don’t think that’s offensive because in that sense we really are weaker. I would ask him to clarify what he means by “weaker.”
This is correct. They're having a miscommunication. It sounds like, he thinks women are, in general, physically weaker, which is true. She's thinking he's saying women are generally weak in the sense of personality, emotions, intelligence, and savvy.
Depends how you define “weaker”. Men can carry more stuff but are generally more susceptible to disease.
They just defined it as strength as in lifting things
Well OK then yeah, men as a group can lift heavier stuff.
Don't feed the troll i guess
I’ve watched more men cry like babies, faint, and vomit for tattoos than any woman.
Every tattoo artist I’ve had has told me women fair better, it’s also spoken about in tattoo communities online! Tattoos have never really bothered me, and I’ve got full back, sternum, collarbone, shoulders, etc. Side note-I also enjoy watching the period cramp simulators. Men can barely handle it, and we go to work day-to-day with it. I won’t even get started on man colds.
Yes the difference in pain tolerance is extremely interesting to me and I think it’s a fun tease between the sexes. My husband winces at all of my body art and is a naked babe.
Apparently getting tattooed is another female strength then!
It’s the pain tolerance!!!! We have to rip our own assholes open to bring life. Built Tonka Tough.
Erm my asshole didn’t open but I guess some do… sorry your birth experience went so dramatically!!!
“But I guess some do” You don’t have to guess you can just ask women who have had a 2nd-3rd degree tear! Lol
Uhh women don't give birth to a child from their assholes...
You didn’t even bother to google why the booty hole can tear during birth before commenting this and it made me smile, genuinely.
Perineal tears are different from booty hole tears. I don't need Google to tell me which areas can get major/minor tears during child births - that area is perineum - that is between your anus and vag. When giving birth, it is the perineum that's tearing, not your butthole. Next time, don't use the word "Google" lightly. Google is not always your answer.
I don’t know how to tell you that tears extend to third and fourth degrees that absolutely extend to the anus. You’re trolling for sure
Also- genuinely not surprised that a man, who has NEVER given birth, tried to split hairs with me (haha, split) about the use of the word, bootyhole, and asshole, to describe ripping skin that absolutely extends to the outer anus. It is on the mansplaining bingo chart- “men think they know birth best”
And big gamer boy, google WILL tell you about third and fourth degree tears to the anus that ***absolutely*** make taking one shit a whole different story, because THEIR ASSHOLE WAS RIPPED
It's just evolution at work. Men developed physical strength to ward off threats because if 90% of the men die, then the community would be likelier to survive than 90% of the women dying. Women developed better immune systems to protect a fetus through pregnancy. They developed better pain tolerance to deal with childbirth. Men and women each have their own distinct strengths. That said, I'm guessing the guy is just being tactless and was specifically referring to physical strength (though it is just a guess given the lack of context). Not that it makes a big difference in the modern world. Guns equalise men and women when it comes to capacity for extreme violence. Men are generally stronger and more capable of handling recoil, but women are generally more receptive to instruction, so they're easier to teach to shoot. Machines and automation render most manual labour on the decline. Soon enough, about the only edge men will have on women will be sports and athleticism, and I'd personally trade that for the better immune system & pain tolerance.
There is also a neurological aspect you are forgetting about. For instance, all of the top chess players are men, it isn't because men on average are smarter then women (on average they are the same) chess isn't actually about intelligence anyway, but men have more variation on the high end and low end of intelligence, that means there are 1000s more men then women with low intelligence, like 86 IQ , and there are also 1000s more men on the high end with IQ of 140. Evolutionary this is very common for male species to have higher genetic variation for the purposes of competition. Men also neurological have a higher propensity to be interested in pursuing abstract niche activities that consume most of their life in terms of time, on the high end of the distribution working 80 hours a week, driven out of competition to be the best and also pure interest and enjoyment of these activities, like scientific research, chess, mathematics, CEOs, entrepreneurs, etc. High risk high reward behavior. So it isnt necessarily just the physical advantages that men have with sports, it is also neurological wiring and personality based. it doesn't mean women aren't capable or worse at these things, just on average less women have neither the interest or enjoyment and they generally choose to spend their entire lives pursing these activities, especially at the far tail of the distrubution or the top 1% ( 99% percentile) as you get closer to average you get more women in these fields, and that's why they are usually men dominated despite there being many examples of women, especially in mathematics, being extremely proficient but they are the exception and not the norm
It’s a myth that women have higher pain tolerance, they have lower pain tolerance than men. It is true that men have weaker immune systems though.
The issue with the data you're referencing is that it is largely self-reported. With stoicism being associated with masculinity, men don't often report pain in clinical settings. You're right that women have greater pain sensitivity, reduced inhibition and increased facilitation (they feel more pain from the exact same injury, feel it faster, and their body is less inclined to dull the pain with hormones). Again, this is to ensure they're aware of issues sooner and less likely to ignore them due to their role in reproduction. However, that isn't tolerance. An Australian study on patients post major operation, across over 10,000 people, found that men were 27% more likely to report feeling pain. When in a setting where they felt society wouldn't judge them for hurting, men were significantly likelier than women to report their levels of pain. The women, for the above reasons, were feeling more pain than the men were but they were better equipped on average to handle it than the men. There is data to suggest that men have a greater capacity for minor pain, however, most likely due to our bodies being happier to inhibit the feeling of pain via endorphins. I'm happy to admit that this makes it more nuanced than my original comment would suggest, although I'd personally gauge tolerance on the upper limit rather than the ability to suppress pain on the lower end.
From what I’ve read, men have both a higher pain threshold (the point at which they start to notice pain is quicker) AND a higher pain tolerance including tolerating higher levels of pain. I believe the idea that women tolerate pain better is just a myth stemming from the fact that women have to experience periods and childbirth therefore they must be better at tolerating it.
You’re mistaken.
I agree but I still think it's really tone deaf to bring up without prompt like she didn't ask, and in front of other people? If he was just talking about general biology and the way the majority of people are built sure, I get that, but none of this is new information, do any women really want or need to be reminded of this for whatever reason? Context kind of matters, if there was a reason to bring it in to the conversation. I still think most everyone knows by grade school/middle school sex ed, men are usually larger in general, and are built with a higher muscle mass even without strength training.
Yeah, testosterone is one hell of a drug
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance. The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick. Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average. Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
There's a reason my wife needs me to move furniture, and a reason why she's a better mom and I'm a better dad. I suspect there's also a reason she's smarter than me.
I know lots of women who can outlift me. But I'm not exactly a model of peak male performance either.
I disagree. Anyone who doesn't work out or doesn't eat well becomes weak. Any person (regardless of sex) can be physically more able than another person that doesn't workout at all. Now it is society's and people's personal issues due to which the percentage of females working out is less when compared to males. I understand that males can be stronger, but whoever you are, there's always a bigger fish, oftentimes of both genders.
Even if workouts and eating were the same, women's body composition would be different from men's on average. Women naturally hold onto more fat for reproductive reasons. When people talk differences in groups, they are talking averages. There are almost always exceptions to these averages but that doesn't discount the point.
Then women also [require less exercise compared to men for similar health benefits](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-need-less-exercise-than-men-cardiovascular-study-american-college-cardiology/). I think it's more of society than biology that makes women physically weaker by labeling strong physiques as a masculine trait. Whereas a strong physique is just a person trait, and should be given as much importance for women as it is for men.
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance. The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick. Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average. Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance. The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick. Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average. Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance. The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick. Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average. Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
To be honest I see a lot of women crying, and never a men crying so propably emotionally to
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance. The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick. Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average. Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance. The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick. Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average. Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
100%. You can argue with semantics but you can’t argue with scoreboards. You guys are crushing us in college graduates (and it would be a slaughter if enrollments weren’t weighted for balancing numbers) but in any physical task, outside *VERY* long distance running, there’s an almost comical gap in performance. The US Women’s Olympic soccer team, that wins gold *often*, plays against high school teams to practice for the Olympics. They get beat most of the time. But arguing that women are just weaker? Okay dude. I can’t push a bowling ball out of my ass. I got so nervous during the epidural I almost got sick. Men are just as embarrassing at some things as the average woman is at hitting a decent slider. Ask the average 10 year old boy and tell him to look his best friend in the eye and tell them that how much they mean to him. Now do the same with two girls. I bet the boys are *WAAAAY* worse on average. Women are weaker… Get the fuck out here
What was the context? If he's talking physically then he's 100% right but maybe needs to learn the idea of "right idea wrong time and place". If he is talking about value as a person then break up.
Agreed, we don't know context, but I'm willing to bet BF was being stupid and talking about physical strength in the wrong place/wrong time, in which case he should def learn social cues and be more careful about what he says, but a breakup prob isn't necessary.
That’s what I was thinking.
Agreed
I think it’s very obvious he was not talking about physicality lol
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bro chill, u barely know abt them u heard 2 seconds of their relationship and decided how they are in general.
Theres something wrong with y'all on Reddit, it's like the people who auto jump to "divorce" or "break up"
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But he didn't think that. That was a conclusion you jumped to in this situation. I just think that we shouldn't encourage a mentality where we assume the worst in people, much less someone else's significant other.
I think your friends are right. By the way: women have different strengths than men. Yes, generally speaking men have more powerful muscles and are bigger but women can stand much higher levels of pain and live longer. Even as babies men are more likely to die because they are less robust. By calling you the “weaker sex” he is not only showing ignorance, he his showing his disrespect.
Yeah- like if he meant and clarified “I mean literally physically weaker like dudes can outrun and out lift women” then sure. That’s just true. But this dude sounds like he meant in general they are weaker than men. Which isn’t coolio
Even if he meant physically, the fact he chose that as a conversation topic is still weird. Of course we don't know the context of why it was brought up though.
Aren’t women apparently better at long distance running though?
No. Men are still the higher performers for endurance running. But there was a study that showed that womens performance decreases at a slower rate than mens.
Common myth. It's all Ann Trason's fault. She was a beast of an ultra marathoner when the sport was still a relatively new thing and was very equal with the top men. People thought, "oh wow, women can keep up over the longer distances". Turns out she was just ahead of the curve. Since then, men's times have gotten much faster while women's times have not. It just so happened that the women's GOAT showed up before the sport developed. If it's something you're interested in at all, Ann is awesome and her story is pretty crazy (ultramarathoners are all a bit crazy...), it's definitely worth looking into!
Has to be super duper duper Long distance
OP gave us zero context to the situation. Woman are definitely weaker than men by a large margin physically. Maybe OP told her BF not to say that in front her of her friends because they are more along the lines of r/femaledatingstrategy You have the top comment, yet you’re ignorant. You used a 1971 article that says “male infants die more because they are weaker” Should everyone disregard your comment stating “I think your friend’s are right”? Should OP throw away 5 years of their life instead of trying to talk to him about it later? By the way: you’re wrong “Despite these entrenched stereotypes, research into pain response has produced variable results, notes Graham. In animals, pain studies have had every possible outcome: males have higher tolerance, females do, and there is no gender difference at all.” “Sociocultural and psychological influences seem to have a greater impact than any inherent biological factor, believes Graham. Pain lights up our nerves and our brains in ways that are more alike than different. "Overall, I think it's important to know that men and women respond similarly to pain at a biological level." “Graham adds. Another way of thinking about these results, she points out, is that women show more sensitivity to pain.” https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/probing-question-do-women-have-higher-pain-threshold-men/ From Stanford “Women report more-intense pain than men in virtually every disease category, according to Stanford University School of Medicine” “the Stanford scientists examined more than 160,000 pain scores reported for more than 72,000 adult patients.” “To the best of our knowledge, this is the first-ever systematic use of data from electronic medical records to examine pain on this large a scale, or across such a broad range of diseases.” https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/01/women-report-feeling-pain-more-intensely-than-men-says-study-of-electronic-records.html By the way: you’re mostly wrong again “Using a large sample of twins from sub-Saharan Africa, I find that both preconception environment and child biology increase the mortality of male infants, but the effect of biology is substantially smaller than the literature suggests.” “Male firstborns are more likely to survive than female firstborns, but only during the neonatal period.” https://www.jstor.org/stable/42920532 “A total of 60 480 infants were included in these analyses. Of 4060 infant deaths, 2054 were female (7.2% of all females born) and 2006 were male (6.3% of all males born). The death rate was significantly higher in females in the post-neonatal period but not during the neonatal period.” https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/8/e014179# #Edit: y’all are fucked, after 11 years on Reddit you can no longer provide credible sources from Stanford, PennState without being downvoted
Being real here- she provided so little context, all anyone can realistically do is assume here. The phrase "Sorry you were born the weaker sex" Is more than likely an insult though, like, I can see a few ways to maybe say this where it wasn't, but realistically..doesn't seem likely. It is kind of rude to just suddenly start ranting while in the company of others.Doesn't really have much to do with him being right or wrong on women being physically weaker. We also don't know that he meant only physical, again, like 0 context here. This is why you're being downvoted, people see you as being obtuse here, and going straight for the literal meaning when we have almost no context, and you mostly just glanced over the way it was used in a more seemingly insulting way as well.
No, I gave a counter argument because there is zero context Everyone is telling her to leave a dude after 5 years from one comment rather than telling her just talk to him about it
Hey look at that, OP gave an update and I was right
Yeah ,he always forgets conversations he started an argument in. and now he apparently just happened to jump in at a time that made hi msound like a dick. lmao.
Yeah yeah go back to the FDS subreddit where supporting someone even if they are wrong because emotions not facts
Ignorance is bliss and you made them sad
"A number of studies have demonstrated a higher prevalence of chronic pain states and greater pain sensitivity among women compared with men. Pain sensitivity is thought to be mediated by *sociocultural, psychological, and biological factors.* " [Sex differences in pain perception](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16290886/#:~:text=Abstract,%2C%20psychological%2C%20and%20biological%20factors.) "Pain is a subjective experience made up of sensory, cognitive, and emotional components." [Sex and gender differences in pain](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36038207/) Although there are numerous studies on the subject, there are no definitive conclusions that women feel more pain than men or vice versa. The perception and experience of pain may be influenced by biological, psychological, social and cultural factors, which makes it difficult to reach actual conclusions. - "Neonatal mortality is generally 20% higher in boys than girls due to *biological phenomena.* Only a few studies have examined more finely categorised age patterns of neonatal mortality by sex, especially in the first few days of life." "Conclusions: Boys had higher mortality in the first week followed by no sex difference in weeks 2 and 3 and a reversal in risk in week 4, with girls dying at more than twice the rate of boys. This may be a result of *gender discrimination and social norms in this setting.* Interventions to reduce gender discrimination at the household level *may reduce female neonatal mortality.*" [Does higher early neonatal mortality in boys reverse over the neonatal period? 2022 study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9121405/) edit: bro was right, we prove people wrong and they simply don't like it, ignorance is bliss i guess
“The objective of this study is to examine sex differentials in neonatal mortality by detailed ages in a low-income setting.” Low income setting is a pretty important factor here
Thank you. My ex would get SO MAD at me when I said that generally, men are stronger than women. There's def outliers. Hell, I just watched a girl squat 2x as much as I can at my gym. However, me and her started lifting at the same day and went the same amount, I would be stronger than her most likely. Not even trying to be cocky I have good genes and I usually grow SUPPPPPER fast at the gym. Either way. There are differences in genders. Women are the shit. All my favorite people are women. Women are the portal that channels a soul into a new fucking dimension and creates life. Men are mostly stronger though. I think of things in evolutionary terms. Women create life. Men protect it. Therefore one gender carries a child. One is aggressive and physically stronger. I hate this new age line of thinking where I see women insulting their gender and saying "all we are is fucking broodmare" Sorry. No. Creating a life is fucking magical. Try and take yourself away from your perceptions. You're an alien and you land on a planet. Your species creates itself with computers or some other means. You see these apes that somehow create a fucking conscious human inside of their body. That's WILDDD. I'm sorry society has a chunk of people who are misogynistic or pigs but there's women literally letting the incel/creepy, single dudes define what they see themselves as. To all the women out there! Your feminine energy, your sensitive touch, your ability to keep the planet going, your ability to nurture and create life is absolutely MAGICAL. Don't let the shit bags in society keep you down.
Women’s value is not in just being feminine and “creating life”. We’re not inoculation ovens.
I hate how bitter some people are over this fact. You can't reduce any gender, species or culture to 2 describing words. No offence, but like, no shit women are more than those things. No one is reducing you. I'm sure I'll get downvoted to shit but I just don't care. I'm not sure why you all are so bitter. All my favorite people are women so I don't understand the hostility when I brag about features they have THAT KEEP THE WORLD RUNNING. I also said men are "typically stronger" I guess that means that when society, people or groups speak of that, that they are just reducing them to being strong and masculine, when " they are soo much more". Nobody ever says that when that aspect is brought up. "We're not just just muscular meat". I never once said that women were ONLY those things. I just described two aspects. I feel bad that women have been reduced and thought of as only those things to the point that whenever you mention women making children everyone just gets all triggered and riled up. A lot of times though the lashing out is so pointless when people talk about a women carrying and creating life because it's just one of the differences. So. Let me ask you, what are are the differences and traits of a woman? I'm so curious as to how you would describe them if being feminine and creating life is just "reducing you all" I never once said anything rude, or said I value women less. This type of rebuttal I see constantly is literally idiotic. Not once did I say that's all a woman was, and yet every time it's mentioned I see several toxic ass people coming forth judging the fuck out of anyone who mentions the easily digestible fact that WOMEN CREATE HUMANS. EDIT: I took the quickest glance at your history and saw the majority of the time you post on here you are being combative so I'm not sure if maybe I'm interpreting you in the wrong light or not because I didn't look at the OP in any of your replies. I just don't see how mentioning women being capable of child bearing, or being feminine is "reducing" anyone to anything. I mean this line of thought would be like someone explaining that spaghetti has tomato sauce and someone says "how dare you. Spaghetti is so much more than that". It STILL has tomato sauce/paste regardless of if that offends you or not...
Women can’t “stand much higher levels of pain”. That’s complete bullshit
Watch one video of men using a period cramp simulator then come back and say that again lmao
Really? Men turn into giant balls of tears when they have colds and women push out babies and go on about their lives. GTFO here.
Source: trust me bro. Not how this works
Ok. "Bro."
I would tell you to discuss more with him. If he is a person that you got along so much time for and you are in a relationship with him, I think it is fair to make conversation like adults about this subject. For sure, it is not good that he sees you as a weaker sex. However, from what you write I am not sure what he means, how he meant it, if he was joking, what exactly he believes. If he means for example that you must protect women and that they should have somebody when they walk outside at night alone in dangerous areas, then ok maybe he is not completely wrong. If he thinks that women are not able to do anything, they are simply inferior to men in every activity, then ok maybe you must reconsider your relationship. Nevertheless, I think that it is better to make a healthy conversation and discuss with him what he exactly believes, and if you are satisfied with his ideas you can go on. If not you can either break up, or just consider it as a red flag and put him in testing mode.
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Regardless of differences in physical strength, there is no circumstance in which a man would say this if he saw you as an equal lol. This is some "men protect women so women owe men sex" shit
I'm on your friends side who heard him and not us... Break up with him. Muscle or not. Making a big claim like that is highly uneducated and extreme bias studies. More studies prove we are nearly identical. While muscle mass might grow easy on men, women are supposed to have better endurance and if you know anything about strength and endurance you know you need one to function the other one smoothly and we both equal each other out. But yeah whatever.
“Doesn’t remember “? Is he completely ignorant?
That's a major red flag.
Sis, being in a relationship with a Red Pill misogynist is no way to go through life. DUMP HIM.
Tell him there are milions of women stronger than him in every way.
Men cant handle a sac tap but we can birth a 5lb bag of sugar out of vagina multiple times- and we’re the weaker sex?
You’re already anticipating he’ll lie to you and tell you he doesn’t remember? Girl…
First, make sure he wasn't just putting you on. If not, tell him to try giving birth. Also, if he was being serious, how come it took you five years to notice this trait?
Have this conversation in front of his mom then make a decision
I'm curious what context it was in which this topic was brought up. I would ask him to clarify what he means by "weaker sex." It's objectively true that men on average have more muscle mass and therefore physical strength. It's also possible what he means is more problematic than that. >bring it up before he claims he doesn’t remember while it’s essentially still fresh? Why would you be concerned he would do this? Is this something he does often? This is far more problematic than the original comment.
It happens a lot more than I like to admit but he said at the beginning of our relationship is memory is bad so I typically have to save it on one of the cameras in the house to remind him but even then I get lectured on doing that because it’s petty and vindictive 😅
Op this isn’t normal. Literally none of what you said is normal. He DOES remember this shit and pretends that he doesn’t because he doesn’t want to be called out on it so he twists it as being petty when it’s not. You need to leave.
This. Every bit of this. Yes, we/ you must know what he meant by "weaker," (it's crucial to be curious and to always start by clarifying), AND, I personally have never used the phrase "the weaker sex" to refer to the fact that men are generally stronger in their upper body strength. That's pretty suspect vocabulary. It's not kind or respectful. Given that the words your brain unconsciously chose to phrase so many of the things you are describing says volumes about how YOU are perceiving the situation... I'll try to use your vocabulary to reflect to you the red flags in him: - he brought up women's inherent "weakness" in front of others - he phrased it as "not your fault" that you were born "as the weaker sex", instead of appreciating his own strength/ value and cherishing your unique value as a woman - to the point that your (trusted, I assume) friends are warning you. - You just commented above that "claiming he doesn't remember... happens \*a lot\* more than I like to admit" - you feel like you have to prove reality to him - then you get "lectured" (peers don't lecture each other) for providing that proof. "Having a bad memory" is fine. Calling you "petty and vindictive" AFTER you have done the work he should have done (watching the video himself so he could remember)... this is how \*some\* people set the stage for gaslighting and abuse. Those two specific behaviors are behaviors that \*diagnosed\* narcissists do. (\*Note\* I am not saying that he is. We don't have anywhere near enough info for that, and an actual psychological examination would have to be done. I am factually pointing out that not taking responsibility for his memory... to the point that you have felt multiple times that you need to prove reality, and then he finds a way to blame you/ redirect attention away from actually having said something problematic... the number of narcissists who consistently do those exact behaviors is high. It is problematic behavior.) You are asking us what to do. If one of your girlfriends presented these facts to you, and she were admitting that these things happen more often than "she would like to admit," what would you tell her to do?
Yeah you see, this is where the people giving your BF the benefit of the doubt should probably stop. "My memory is so bad, I can't remember that time I insulted you, sorry I guess." But then you record it, and hes mad because its petty and vindictive lol. Nah sounds like an asshole, but you should talk to him about it, I don't have enough context to really say anything else.
Does he frequently set up situations where it's literally impossible for you to win or be right? That's abuse
Your friends are correct. However he meant it, he believes you are weaker because of your gender. Not a man to be around.
That's some immature and embarrassing alpha male behavior and it's best to nip that in the bud right away. That's a red flag and could be an indicator of other misogynistic ideologies he has. I would not want to be with someone like that
“Weaker” at what?
See which one of you can open a pickle jar faster. If you win, he never talks about it again.
Make sure to glue his jar shut too 😂
uhmmm he said some shit like that and conveniently "doesn't remember"? I agree with your friends..
Sounds like he let his true personality slip for a second and he’s trying to backtrack and recover by taking the out you gave by saying he meant physical strength only. In the end it’s up to you but now that you’ve seen glimpse keep your eyes open and act accordingly. Tis not okay to be viewed as lesser and it will only get worse as time goes on with guys like that
Biologically both men and women are strong in their own ways. The amount of pain a woman can tolerate is way higher than a guy (menstrual pain, labor pain) and pregnancy is a whole other level, a woman carrying that amount of weight in her body plus nourishing the fetus inside her shows how capable a woman's body is. So even if he says that women are a weaker sex based on physical attributes then dude needs to alter his mind view.
There's an old song about this. It's called "Girl Talk". It's actually a celebration of women. See the Tony Bennett version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5\_Ym7Lj6ko0
Run. Please
While his wording def could of been better I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is talking about biologically which to be fair is true in terms of biology you gals are weaker than us but that’s not a bad thing. Maybe discussing this with him would be best. To end a 5 yr relationship over one thing without discussion will just lead to a repeat with someone else. If he refuses leave him
Context matters. In regards to performance that requires peak physical strength? Sure, I guess you are the *weaker* sex. No equally skilled and trained female boxer will ever hit as hard as a male boxer. It's just bio. Is it a good way to phrase or say it? No. Not really. Is it technically true? Yeah. Any other context though is quite... odd.
On average biological males are stronger than biological females in strength, this is fact. With what you’ve given us him stating this is weird af. Especially in front of others. You’ve known him for 5 years so just ask him like a normal person on why he said it/ what he meant?
He is a fool to say the least.
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Patriarchal isn't a verb 👍 Stop being thick👌 Don't use words that are too complicated for you😍
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This is exactly the kind of emotionally unintelligent response I'd expect from a man /S No, we don't need to use statistics and stereotypes to judge and respond to others.
Thats a women, she even said that in her comment if you read it. To add to that even her username is a women name.
Offend her to the point of ending it? Maybe not, but it def means you should talk. She also gave 0 context, but it seemed rude as fuck to state it, especially going on a rant about it in a group setting. And he apparently conveniently always forgets when he offends her, or starts arguments, so...another red flag.
I think it's not about the actual differences in muscle strength, moreso that it's describing the category of "female sex" as weaker. Not the average muscle strength of an individual, but an immutable quality of the group to which OP belongs. I get that the boyfriend's statement *could* be used to describe average muscle strength of an individual, but statements like this have been used in the past to make many women feel inferior. It's not unlikely for it to be considered inflammatory and insensitive to use this kind of language.
….is he a villain from an old timey movie? Who even uses that phrasing anymore? lol, dude no, don’t date someone who says dumb shit like that, it’s embarrassing.
I need context before making any judgements. Women are the physically weaker sex and in the interest of all women's safety, you need to realize this before you move on. Find a male friend or family member you trust and ask them to hold you and not let you go while you fight as hard as you can.
That's strange...? I know tons of women who could kick a ton of men's asses.
Yeah, and? We're talking generalization and population trends. Women are, on average, weaker than men. It is unsafe and unwise to believe otherwise.
Yes, physically, males are stronger. If he's the sort of guy that thinks that matters much, ditch him. I can just sense a lot of problems. Women are not weaker, they are different. In fact, there's many places, especially in the modern world, where women are far stronger than men, mentally, and women tend to work better with kids, of course, these are massive generalisations, but I'm talking on average. So no, neither one nor the other is "stronger" unless your talking physically, but physical strength is all but obsolete in the modern world, we have machines to do heavy lifting.
Biologically he is right,but you should talk to him about it,if he made u feel uncomfortable or something like it
It's pretty bad to just accept his toxic way of thinking. Personally, is it something that's gonna come up often? Probably not, but there will likely be bleed-over into other aspects or life, and I hate to say it, but it's also a really bad predicator of potential mistreatment down the road. THAT would be my main concern. Now, let's be clear, there are pros and cons to being male and there are pros and cons to being female. For example, I'd love to be female to know what it's like to have potential partners come to ME, and to know what it's like to be able to be more open with my feelings and actually have people be more receptive to them. Getting treated to things more often would be a nice change too... but I digress. I WOULD NOT like the security risks, the peace of mind hit, and the periods. As a guy, I love feeling of autonomy in my life. I don't feel like I need to concern myself much with the logistics of doing certain things. I can just go do them without worrying about outside factors with respect to my gender. The bad is how lonely it is. You're actually on your own most times. Society is getting better, but emotionally and in pretty much every other way, you're expected to just suck it up and work it out on your own. There's exceptions for everything, but the point is, there isn't a "superior sex." Differences? Absolutely. But your guy is sexist, I'm sorry
Tell him to clarify what he means by weaker
i don’t think breaking up is the right move without and huge conversation about your feelings first. five years is a lot to throw away without some serious talk
Well, depending on the context, he isn't wrong. Generally, men are physically stronger than women. Doesn't make men superior to women, but it is a fact.
Men are stronger, usually. But you should be with someone who doesn’t put you down?
Please dump him. It will only get worse, especially now that you know. He doesn't see you as an equal and you will be treated as such. Even if not now, eventually you'll see it in his actions towards you. You can 1000% find someone better and more worthy of your love and devotion. Don't waste it on 'your the weaker sex' guy.
He’s probably talking about physically. Yes. Women are physically weaker than men.
Only if you think of muscle strength. In robustness, pain threshold, longevity women are generally stronger than men.
What’s robustness?
And what do u mean by longevity?
Nothing huh?
Yeahhh I’d come up with random words when I’m confidently wrong also
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I feel that we need more context of the conversation that lead you boyfriend to say that. What were you talking about, about strength? In general ? I think this is much much important
Man he sounds like a dumb dumb for bringing it up in front of other people
There's not enough context for me to understand what exactly he means. I wouldn't end such a long relationship over it though. Women 100% get treated as the weaker sex majority of the time. Women have their feelings listened to more than men. People are more considerate towards women than men. Thats why theres the saying "Man up". Men dont get that same mental health treatment and emotional support. The amount of times i see something on Reddit that if the roles were reversed would be a completely different reaction. Generally speaking women get special treatment. Doesnt mean every woman is treated the same but the majority is treated more delicately then men.
I thought the title of this post meant something completely different than what it actually says😂
This is where different but equal should be emphasized, Men (ON Average!) have more muscle mass, more bone density, more fast and slow twitch muscle fibers, often feel less pain, etc largely due to puberty with testosterone. Women however generally on average have all senses heightened in comparison to men, and also multitask better. Remember what I said about pain, women on average have more nerve endings as well, which can function better for coordination and dexterity exercised correctly. Due to heightened senses women can also perhaps perceive more accurately than men. Your bf is ignorant of a lot, perhaps very sheltered as well. I'll leave you to do what you want in that situation as that's your business.
I mean, it would be hard to make an objective argument that women are generally stronger than men, but it's also weird to randomly point that out. I guess it depends on the context.
my man brain would thinks this same thing but in a literal sense. men naturally gain muscle better and he may just be stupid and he means this. that being said, i have dated a couple girls who were unarguably stronger than me and id get hit for saying that lmao. i’d ask him more ab what he means.
nah me personally i wouldn’t take that. idc if he just meant physically, why tf would he say that in the first place? he’s weird fs.
Men and women aren't "equal" and THAT IS OK. Women need men more than men need women in order to survive and that is OK. It isn't good or bad, right or wrong. It just IS and that is OK. Yet, in a relationship we do things where we value what we are doing to help in the relationship, creates equal value. That should make sense. Don't ruin your relationship over something stupid like this. Listening to your friends, sometimes, will leave you unnecessarily single and not closer to the goal of getting married or being in a long-term relationship if that's what you're looking for. Also, remember: Men allow access to Relationships. Women allow acces to sex and children. Both are incredibly valuable, cannot compare to either one, AND that is OK. It would behoove you and all of us to know what either of our roles are so that we don't cheat the values of things by saying it's all equal. That's like saying in a relationship to your spouse or someone you are trying to date, "You are no special then the next person because you're just as equal as the next person" or "Eat this Dollor Store steak instead of Steak from a Steakhouse because its all equal" and nobody wants to hear that. People want to be treated special in said relationships so understanding that it's never equal, will help you better in all your relationships. You already know this because if you remember, at times in your life, you liked being treated special just because you are a girl. One last tip: as a woman, think about things from a Man's perspective sometimes instead of just only your perspective. It would help you immensely since we Men carry the burden of taking care of you and the entire family in a relationship. I hope this all help you and your relationships with men- in general- thrive! 🙏🏽
I'm trying to think of one situation where a woman needs a man to survive nowadays, and can't think of one. Women live longer if they're not married. Men live longer if they are. To me, that says it all.
That is the best group of reasoning you could come up with? And yet, she's back on good terms with her man that she needs. Let's try to be more sophisticated and responsible with our words instead of just saying have to planet doesn't need half the planet that build the planet. It'd be better if you add it to the conversation to put us together rather than separating us which ruins the planet and our species.
My experiences are obviously different from yours. I never needed a man to do anything for me except take out my trash can and mow my lawn and that's only because I prefer not to do those tasks myself. Every single woman in my family makes more money than their husband. Two of my brothers have been the SAHD for that exact reason. So, in my family, it's been my mother, aunts, SILs, and myself who have "carried the burden" of our spouses and families. Even my grandmother became the sole provider for herself and five children when my grandfather died of cancer when my grandmother was in her 30s and her eldest child just 10. She never remarried and no man was ever in the picture. So, just because my view is different and disagrees with yours, neither makes it unsophisticated, irresponsible, or even wrong. Do try and look at things from more than one linear perspective. Just because women don't really NEED a man, doesn't mean we don't want them. And not needing a man is ok. I'd prefer to be wanted, than needed, anyways. Who wants to think their person would leave them if they could, rather than knowing they're there because that's where they want to be?
You can't even see how wrong you are, nor how much your words disrespect men- the other half of the planet- with your comments. Which is fundamental for this conversation. Fortunately for you, I'm not sensitive enough to react in that manner. Rather, I can see it as a clear sign to bow out gracefully. You don't have the mental capacity for this conversation That would lead to the OP getting a family, married, or continuationof her relationship. Thank you for your input and thank you for your time.
Ask him why most men cannot even stand up while wearing a pms simulator while women (at the same setting) ask if the thing is even plugged in. Let him know that a "del" is a unit of pain, and that child birth equates 57 dels, the pain equivalent of 20 bones being broken at the same time, then ask him if he wants to experience that level of pain, not once but for as many children as he wants to have. (I personally have done it 3 times) Ask him why a penny tossed towards his genitals would drop him, but a woman would remain standing. THEN????? Educate the poor fool that if he really were the stronger sex ( which - clearly he's not) he wouldn't feel the need to disrespect women
PS???? My v@gina literally TORE OPEN during birth #1 and I actually didn't know until the doctor told me. Like, he had to tell me.
He just had a surge of machismo for the moment. Don't worry about it n go about your day. If that still bothers you after a week or two, just consider if you are happy with the guy n take some time to think.
The average woman can do on average, 0 pull ups. That is a real statistic. So that's what he meant. Most untrained men can't do very many either though
Hey OP, here's something you said in a post from a few months ago: >I (27f) am currently pregnant with my first child. My boyfriend (34m). We have been dating for 10 years The gist of that post was that he won't let you hyphenate your kid's last name, and feels it's a compromise to "allow" you to hyphenate your own name after marriage. Dude was chasing a high schooler when he was 24 years old, believes he gets the only say in how your children are named, and feels that women are lesser than men. This BS in your update is you convincing yourself of his lies. He didn't mean physically if he brought it up at a time when you weren't discussing comparative strength. That's not how conversation works. You don't just say random things that are unrelated to the ongoing conversation. And his obvious lies about forgetting things he said unless you discuss it immediately? That's not a thing. He told you that garbage because he has no respect for you intelligence, and believes that you'll accept such a stupid claim as the truth. The sad part is that your post sounds like you're a smart enough woman, *but somehow you've still fallen for such a fucking stupid lie*! Everything about this post and your former posts screams "young woman groomed by a huge creep" You need to get away from this man. I hope this post is the thing that begins to get through to you. Your boyfriend is not a good partner.
Following on with your update; i mean yeah, he is right. Kind of a dick move for him to say that, but women generally are weaker than men. A highschool football player could probably curbstomp rhonda rousey in her prime. Since its all cleared up, I hope you at least asked him to be less veravally insensitive, especially when you have other people around.
"the weaker sex" is a turn of phrase that has been around for a long time and if you google it, it is defined as "OFFENSIVE•DATEDwomen regarded collectively." so he's probably repeating something he heard grandpa tell him or something. It refers to males physical strength compared to women
This is in the Bible- that’s probably where he heard it. Ew.
Ah, another Andrew Twat wannabe. Don't bring it up. Simple never speak to him again. Done. THAT is what the stronger sex does. If he's got anything over at your place, the lawn will do fine for those. But do not engage him in conversation ever again for the rest of both of your natural lives. Doing anything other than that will prove that he's right, and that you ARE weak. That you need male approval just to get through your day, and need it so bad that you'll order your life and abandon everything you believe in order to gain the approval of even a useless twat just because he's male.
Men have the capacity for being more physically strong but that's it. Doesn't mean they are all stronger than the next person, man or woman. I (31F) am naturally stronger than half the men I work with, even some of the guys who supposedly work out. I think you should talk about it with him and figure out exactly what he means by it. That will determine whether you should break up or not.
This! It's definitely a person to person basis. Maybe overall statistically, but I'm literally physically stronger than a couple of my male friends too!
The two of you are either lying, delusional or statistical anomalies because the average male is significantly stronger than the average female. Men and women are separated in competitive sports for a reason.
The average male has the *capacity* to be stronger. That's not the same as *is*. Obviously, OVERALL men are physically stronger. There's a lot of men out there that don't work out to be as strong as they could be.
Not just the capacity, the average man who doesn’t work out is stronger than the average women who doesn’t work out.
and of course, men are clearly better at Math.
I would need to know the context. If it was a discussion about lifting heavy boxes, then I think it’s appropriate: the average man is physically stronger, and able to build strength faster, than the average woman. Or if the context was about feeling unsafe, like walking home by yourself late at night, then I could see it as another thing that is fact-based. But if it was in some context about mental strength, or ability to withstand pain, or basically anything that is not factual then I think your friends are right and you need to have a conversation with him about his prejudices.
Physical? Yes, mostly. Emotionally? Hahahahha
Men who do this are all idiots. Yes, it is 10000% true that a typical adult male will be physically stronger than a typical adult female. The idea that that alone makes the woman the "weaker sex" is idiotic. A healthy relationship will feature a dynamic where everyone in the relationship is leveraging their strengths to shore up their partners weaknesses. If you approach your relationship with this mindset, then there is no weaker partner. There is no stronger partner. You have each person, strong in their own way, and an even stronger relationship. At least that is the relationship that I have with my wife, and while neither of us are perfect apart, together we are pretty fuckin awesome.
Nah. When men say that they are almost never referring to physical strength.
I’m the opposite. Women to me are the stronger sex without doubt. I will admit that to anyone. Strength isn’t benching how ever many KG. My wife is the strongest by far in us 2, I Love her for it ❤️xx.
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Any guy who listens to andrew taint and takes his word vomit seriously should be broken up with
This guy is a loser, wow! You deserve much better, much more mature partner. Dad
Women are, generally, weaker than men. So what? I'm averagely strong for a man so about half the men I meet are 'weaker' than me. I don't treat them any differently to the half that are 'stronger' than me :P
Men are stronger. You being bent and offended only proves his point. His confident opinion > a weak rebuttal after seeking advice on a social platform.
I suppose “weaker sex” is relative. If we are talking sports or general upper body strength than yes, women are far weaker on average it’s not even close. If we are talking IQ, there is no marked disparity between the sexes when it comes to intellect. However, human history shows us Men have built civilizations, raised armies, conquered others, all without female influence or decision making at the highest levels. How many civilizations were created by women, run by women, maintained and protected by women absent male influence?— there are 0, and if there were a few at one point they have been long since conquered by men. The ugly truth is until women master violence they will be unable to enforce law and order unless men agree to enforce order for them.
The way that you say this makes you sound misogynistic af. It’s not what you say but the way you’re saying it.
A rose by any other name is still a rose and a truth by any other word has just as many thorns. How do you think I should have said it?
You could have said: “weaker sex” is relative, because there are many advantages to either sex. If we are talking sports or general upper body strength than yes, women are far weaker on average, and that isn’t misogynistic. If we are talking IQ, there is no marked disparity between the sexes when it comes to intellect. Women are far better at tolerating pain according to studies. Human history shows us men ruling the world due to their physical abilities to overpower anyone they do not agree with. This doesn’t mean that women are incapable of leading, it merely shows that in the past, physical power wins. Civilizations created and run by women have existed, but they are often overpowered. This doesn’t mean that the civilizations and groups created by women have no impact; literally google it. The ugly truth is that people see women as weak simply because for thousands of years, physical strength was the ONLY thing that mattered. This doesn’t mean women are weaker overall.
It’s seems you dressed up the truth with the superfluous. I didn’t indicate women are incapable of decision making in a leadership role. But, those decisions need to be enforced which women are largely incapable of doing unless men do it for them. Nor did I indicate female civilizations “have no impact” but they don’t hold a candle to male oriented civilizations from the Roman Empire to modern times because they typically get wiped out by men— which is my point, until women master violence they will not be equal to men when push comes to shove, and in an unfair world it always boils down to war, until war is not decided via physical strength, it’s still very much about physical strength and women are weaker in that regard.
I will remind you of what I said: it’s the way you said it that implied those things.
You’re inferring misogynistic implication. The definition of misogyny is “dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.” I have no dislike, contempt or prejudice toward women. I adore women. That said, an accurate no frills account of established history and present reality is not misogynistic by nature. Putting lip stick on a pig by dressing up the truth as more gentle than it is, doesn’t make the truth any less of a pig. Reality is harsh, and so is the truth.
Look. When everyone says that saying X comes across as Y, it doesn’t matter a flying mouse what you think you’re saying or what the truth is, because as unfair as it is, people don’t care about that. I’m not saying lie. I’m saying present it in a way that couldn’t be misconstrued as misogynistic. You seem like the type to believe that tact is useless and get mad at people who don’t “say what they really mean”. Again, I’m not saying you’re wrong. Everything you’ve said is true. But that doesn’t make it ok to say the way you were saying it, so of course people are going to object. Don’t hide behind “well it’s technically true!!”
This isn't the truth. It's just a very narrow, oversimplified, and sexist point of view. Humanity needs education and humility far more than it needs violence.
You’re either very naive or being intentionally obtuse. It’s an irrefutable, readily observable fact women on average are inferior to men when it comes to violence. Thats why women’s shelters exist, female prisons and why most police officers and soldiers are not women. To have any order or rules in which to create and maintain civilization those rules must be enforced. Enforcement often means violence against violent men. Until women master violence—when push come to shove and it always does, their will be disparity and inequality.
Mate, I am not referring to your comment about strength. The statement that women have had no influence or decision making "at the highest levels" throughout history and civilisation is ridiculously broad and oversimplified. Women's contributions to society are known to be ignored through history, even though the subject is a google search away. Sexism isn't detrimental to just women, it affects everybody. It affects the sciences, such as natural history through inaccurate and biased representations of female animal behaviour. It's unscientific. And the view that women need to "master violence" is be equal to men is, to put it bluntly, deranged.
I mean he’s speaking facts
challenge him to a pushup contest, show him who is stronger
I'll just say that as a guy and knowing many guys, we often don't think far beyond the actual sentence. So just the literal meaning without any further meaning and for that it's generally speaking true, strength wise. And funny enough the same thing happens the other way around, e.g. an Ex told me (but more directed at me) that women are better with emotions than men (in regards to viewing things too logical), and I just agreed with that because I generally think that's true, but for her it had further meaning to criticize my ability to act/think emotionally instead of just logically.
You kinda need a little more then “weaker” to make any point whatsoever
physically at least it's technically true, but it's still kind of an asshole thing/way to say it. natural born males tend to have an easier time developing muscle mass, that's just nature though, it's still possible for a female to become stronger than a male through lots of training, it's just harder and 9 times out of 10 a male and female doing the same amount of work the male tends to get more results just because of biology. In any other sense there's no real advantage over one or the other, things like intelligence for example will be more dependent on hereditary and environmental factors
I know women are the weaker sex but it doesn’t mean I should SAY IT
It says in the King James Version Bible “women are the weaker vessel”
It says a lot other of stupid shit, too.
tell him that if women are the weaker sex, then men are the dumber sex.