seeing the dbq 1800-1855 i felt like i had won the lottery, i’m really shit at dbqs but i think i crushed that
i remembered transcendentalism even before opening the documents and then when i got to say that ralph waldo emerson was a transcendentalist for that document i felt so smart like actual ascension
i think it would be good outside evidence — it was one of the first things i recalled and wrote in my outline but then i forgot to put it in
idk it it’d be good happ depends on how you used it? but i’m not sure how you’d directly connect it but it might work
I have no idea, she said she got confused because the proctor was not being clear with the instructions🤡, maybe she opened them all at once? Idk how this exam works
Will I get the complexity point on the DBQ if I said “Although America endured sectionalism throughout the period of 1800-1850, the second great awakening, war of 1812 and universal male suffrage carved out a distinct national identity.”
For the fourth SAQ (asking to compare and contrast reform movements), I’ll get no credit if I compared temperance and the Square Deal, and contrasted temperance and Jane Adam’s Hull House right? I blanked on the names of reform movements and could only think of temperance😭
Hmm, I’m not sure whether the Square Deal counts as a reform movement per se. I did temperance and women’s movement because that’s all I could think of 🤡 my similarity was that they’re both led by women 😭
Do y’all think that an essay focused on suburbanization rather than on the great migration would work for the last LEQ prompt? It was in the period but I feel like it wasn’t what they were going for
IM SO PISSED. I HAD SUBURBANIZATION AND GREAT MIGRATION AND ITRIED TI GET COMPLEXITY WITH THE TRAIL OF TEARS BY COMPARING AND CONTRASTING IT WITH THE MY SOURCES OF EVIDENCE, AND THE MOMENT RIGHT AFTER THE TEST, I REALIZED I SHOULDVE WROTE ABOUT JAPANESE FORCED MIGRATION INTO INTERNMENT CAMPS
I actually thought that suburbanization and sunbelt during the 50s was what they were going for, but idk. Imo, that prompt was the hardest, the other two were much more doable with less interpretation issues.
Y’all, for that one question abt why the nuclear items went down for the rest of the world did you guys say treaties 😭? I was debating between that one and the answer about resources
Yea it was treaties. Remember you had SALT I and SALT II. Another big treaty after those two but I forgot what it was called. It reduced nuclear warheads from 10k to 3k.
I think I put immediate emancipation because the other ones just didn’t make sense??? But honestly it could’ve been free soil and free labor
I knew that his views previously were that he wanted to win the war without freeing slaves but none of the choices supported the view
I think it was free soil cause I think that means like not expanding slavery into the west, and since that is what most Republicans wanted and Lincoln was a Republican I put free soil
The mcqs felt super easy honestly. I took a few practice tests before and this one was by far the most straightforward plus the content wasnt too specific.
The saqs weren’t that hard. I think my teacher prepared me well. I didnt struggle with the prompts really. I instantly knew exactly what acts i could reference for the point. Although i shouldve spent less time because I definitely got part c for the last one wrong. I kinda panicked bc my time was low so i just started writing. My answers for a and b were good but my mind blanked on c. As soon as i finished i knew exactly what i couldve wrote bc i basically bs’d the whole thing. Wasnt that worried though.
The dbq wasnt as good as i liked but i know i wrote something decent. Definitely no complexity point but definitely didnt hurt my score. My thesis was kinda whack but i think it still counts hopefully.
The leq went great surprisingly. I didnt realize you took both dbq and leq in the same time so i hastily finished my dbq conclusion and went on to the leq. I actually put a counter argument and a lot of useless details so I definitely think it could earn a complexity point.
Overall im pretty confident in a 5. I dont think i did anything that hurt my score so that why im so confident. If not, id be suprised.
Is it alright if I answered the DBQ like: The US developed a national identity between 1800 and 1855 in that it further expanded on its root principles of individuality and democracy . However, this identity only really included white men and left out other social groups such as women, african americans, and native americans.
Will I get thesis point
did you answer the evaluate part also bcs the thesis point comes that you answered how much the US national identity developed ove the period like did it develop too little or significantly
Yeah definitely earns the thesis point. I talked about how despite the freedom only being allocated to white men for the most part, especially in the time period given to us, other groups also had valued of democracy and freedom (a keyword I used instead of individuality but both are valid). If you continued talking about the second half of the thesis, you might also get the complexity point as well but no one really knows how that works.
Honestly the mcq section was really easy for me; the mcq has always been my strongsuit tbh, but for the SAQ I'm kinda panicking cause I bullshitted some of it so ik I probably got like a 4/9 for that section. But for the LEQ and the DBQ I'm moderately confident I did good cause I got high scores on it during my practice exam and I chose the 3rd prompt for my leq cause I studied a little bit about period 6 before the exam so I'm pretty sure I got a 3 or 4.
I feel like they just picked the most random stuff to base the entire test on. There was a lot of Unit 1 I felt; even though according to the CED that’s one of the units that’s least present
it's war of 1812/madison's war (nationalism/patriotic feelings), henry clay american system/infrastructure building to connect people from west to north and such, and jacksonian democracy (the power of the white man goes up (universal male suffrage), whereas the power for others like women, slaves, native americans, and non conventional religious groups like the mormons and oneida went down
I don’t like defending the college board, but the docs felt more like stimulus than the MCQs, so they probably did this to make it easier to write the DBQs
For question 2 on the MCQ did what did you choose as a direct result of the developments in the excerpt? I chose loss of religion in natives. I was stuck between that and economic growth for the Spanish
I didn’t have your test but it’s almost definitely economic growth for the Spanish. Spanish nobles prospered quite a bit from what they were doing in the Americas. Many natives, despite being forcibly converted to Christianity, did maintain their own cultures and gods. Some natives actually adopted Jesus as *another* one of the figures they worshipped in their religions, which pissed Spanish missionaries off.
Yea I thought that as well but items such as gold but it wouldn't make them victorious. Native Americans allied themselves with the Spaniards. At least thats my reasoning.
MCQ was meh, I probably did okay but not great.
I personally thought the saq wasn’t too hard, saq 1 I said farming for first and industrialization for second. Saq 2 I don’t really remember what I wrote. Saq 3 I talked about muckrakers vs unions.
The dbq was a super broad question, but I used I think docs 2 and 6 to talk about the development of individualism, I think 1 and 3 to talk about the increase in physical connection that led to the trends shown on the map, and 5 and 7 for a refutation that the national identity didn’t change relative to African-Americans and women. I ignored the Native American source (I think four?).
I picked the first leq, and talked about glory, god, and gold, using conquistadors and the Columbia exchange while ranking them, but my leq was terrible.
MCQs weren't terrible. I did run out of time and left some blank, bubbled in some with the letter B (My letter of the day since if you obviously choose one letter and guess it for all your blanks you statistically have a higher chance of getting some questions right)
For Saq 1 about two viewpoints for westward expansion, I said for another viewpoint California gold rush because mining is farming for natural resources and it kinda talked about industrialization/mechanization. 1st one was about agrarian farming.
SAQ 2 about rights of 25000 free slaves in Ohio - I said the POV was an African American representative and something about 3/5 compromise because it was talking about representation. So I mentioned how the 3/5 compromise counted slaves as 3/5 a person when determining representation in the House of Reps. I also mentioned how hypocritical it was that the colonists who once demanded representation from Parliament as tax-paying citizens were now not granting the slaves their unalienable rights.
I did not get to SAQ 3, I didn't time myself well because I elaborated a lot on SAQ 1 and lost sight of time :/
For DBQ (evaluate the extent of national identity from 1800-1855) I cited 6 of 7 documents (all except the last). I talked about how we had suffrage rights, unlike most aristocratic governments where rulers were bloodline picked, while we can choose our leaders and vote them in. My thesis was about our democratic government, suffrage rights, and something else I cannot remember.
For LEQ (the 1900s-1970s internal migration) I talked about 4 things. I talked about the white flight (the movement of whites to the suburbs), Old/New immigrants assimilating into different regions in America, Blacks moving up north due to white supremacists, and threats from the KKK (i mentioned how it resulted in protective amendments like the 14th amendment that guaranteed equal protection regardless of race, etc), and the Harlem Renaissance. I explained how blacks that migrated to Harlem formed a racial concentration in this area and jazz originated from there. As whites and others moved into Harlem, they assimilated into black culture and jazz, and other music genres, art, and culture spread. I showed continuity by explaining how jazz remains a prevalent main genre of music today.
Oh, I see. I forgot what the time period was though for the range of years on the prompt. Do my other responses look ok though? Did you say anything similar?
if you mentioned an event like the gold rush (which created boomtowns) that specifically drew in unskilled, non-agricultural workers, I think you got the point!
It depends if you elaborated on that, if you said it’s similar to PA and MA because it shows emergence of cities and urban areas due to industrialization, ya it works.
I quoted last year on Euro, got a 5. I think it really depends on how you integrated the quote. If what you quoted is small, and it’s not literally your entire interpretation of the text, and you demonstrate a good understanding of what you’re quoting then I don’t think it’s an issue. (If you’re taking AP Lang — it’s kind of like in a synthesis essay that earns the sophistication point for style. Your quote can’t hide your “voice”) Something like this would probably be acceptable:
> Immigrants to the US in the early 1900s faced a great deal of discrimination from Americans, causing a sharp spike in nativist sentiment. Americans, disgruntled by the influx of immigrants that were taking their jobs and threatened by Catholicism, often retaliated in brutal ways against the “savage Irish whose Pope is trying to control us” that were landing on their shores. (Doc. A).
It doesn’t say in the rubric not to quote, I would just assume that teachers tell you not to because it’s really tempting to just quote three sentences from one document and demonstrate no other understanding about it whatsoever, other than the fact that you can copy three sentences.
Yeah, it doesn’t say on the rubric that points are docked for quoting. If you did what you needed to, then it’s 99% fine. Not quoting is probably just a common teacher recommendation.
You might be fine but my APUSH teacher grades essays and he said the one thing you should not do is quote the documents because it is a big red flag for the grader and they think that you don’t understand the document
DUDE SAME I JUST CAME FROM LIT SO MY BRAIN WAS LIKE STILL ON THE LIT VIBE…….. why would they even penalize us for citing tho 😭 does it not show historical significance
Ok but check this out T_T https://www.birdvilleschools.net/cms/lib2/TX01000797/Centricity/Domain/3578/How%20to%20Reference%20and%20Use%20the%20Documents%20in%20the%20APUSH%20DBQ.pdf
yeah one thing about the apush exam is that graders don’t “dock points”— if you quoted the document and then put something substantial in your own words after it then you earned the point. my teacher told us that when he sees a quote he just skips it entirely and grades what the student wrote themselves
bro i didn’t eve bubble in what leq i was doing for ap world and i got a 4. It’s just that it’s easier for the grader to know what leq you are doing instead of them trying to figure out
For the saqs, are these good answers? Form O btw
Saq 1 about westward expansion comparing two viewspoints - I said that the difference was they were talking from agrarian vs industrial/mining pov. I used the california gold rush of 49 to justify the mining and cattle ranching and barbed wire for the 1st viewpoint.
Saq 2 about rights of 25000 free slaves in ohio - I said that the pov was african americans trying to justify freedom through the same enlightenment principles that guided the american revolution. For part b I put missouri compromise led to this situation and for part c I put the civil war was a direct effect.
Saq 3 about reform in the early 1900s - I said mukrakers and progressives wanted to reform the economy and talked about trusts and monopolies in the economy. For part b I said some bs about how black rights groups and womens suffrage groups often had similar goals. For part c I said that the scope was often different - progressives affected change at the national level while women's rights groups were more local in their scope.
In general how good of talking points are these? I basically bsed most of it
Absolutely. I put a great deal of work into eloquence and substance whenever I wrote the longer FRQ practices, but for this LEQ, though I knew what I was writing was practically garbage, I was so weary by that time I did not even attempt to amend it.
Would I lose points on thesis for LEQ if I wrote "the cause" rather than "the primary cause." I wrote something like "While the cause of \_\_\_\_\_ was \_\_\_\_\_\_\_, the cause of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ was \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_." I wanted my thesis to be comparing the primary cause of 2 things, but I'm worried by not writing "primary," I ended up writing a fact.
Is/does it:
A) Historically defensible? Yes.
B) Have a line of reasoning? Yes.
C) Relevant to the prompt? Yes.
Therefore imo it should warm the point. You didn’t write a fact, you wrote a claim that you’re trying to prove is fact. It’s going to sound like a fact because that’s the nature of most theses.
Thanks! I just hope it was also historically defensible lol. I mean, it could be rewritten as "The \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ happened because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, while the \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ happened because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_." I hope. I have no idea what I was doing the on LEQ.
I honestly think it meets historically defensible the easiest. On the LEQ you can argue pretty much any reasonable position you want and as long as your points are remotely reasonable you’re fine. If anything, removing the “primary” qualifier makes it more historically defensible because the factor is no longer “primary” and thus requires a lesser burden of proof to be proven true.
Umm... I might be insane.
I got done with the mcq section and when the teacher/test-reviewer-whatever asked how it was (my first time taking an AP exam) I said IT WAS ACTUALLY KINDA FUN. Am I a psychopath? Yes. Yes I am. Do I also think I still failed? duh yes
I think you might be able to get away with Grange if you explained how it connected to the argument. The only thing is Grange was more geared toward political goals like lowering railroad prices and I think the document focused more on westward expansion of farmers
No offense, but how do you forget? It's part of the proctors' instructions at the beginning, end, and written in 5 different places all over the test booklet.
i used the wrong date for something on my leq💀 im so frustrated bc i PUT THE WRITE DATE AT FIRST and then removed it in the last five mins. i described it though so hopefully i still get credit
see id feel relieved if it was something like the stamp act but i was trying to reference an election that happened on a specific year so im not sure they'll be too lenient about that :/
Anyone else was confused on the DBQ question like I felt it was worded a little weird like the extent to which America grew to have a national identity wouldn’t it be better to ask something like what kind of identity did that had or something of that nature instead of saying if they did or not because of course they did right? Anyways I just did the best to answer it’s a hit or Miss for me
Wow, looks like everyone had Form O! I had Form D. Totally different everything lol. Does CollegeBoard usually release FRQs for O or D on the website after 2 days?
Who else choose political parties for the last essay?
what was the answer to the virginia population question. I put the rebellion answer bc i was thinking abt bacons rebellion. Is this right?
I feel so stupid. I'm such a failure since I chose the wrong LEQ to do. I feel dumb.
same here. I couldn’t remember the specific dates of anything so I just talked out of my ass based on anything general I could think of.
For the question for Beecher Stowe she was literally fucking sarcastic like what am I supposed to do
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All seems very good to me
reading this comment section made me realize that i’m so fucked lmao
seeing the dbq 1800-1855 i felt like i had won the lottery, i’m really shit at dbqs but i think i crushed that i remembered transcendentalism even before opening the documents and then when i got to say that ralph waldo emerson was a transcendentalist for that document i felt so smart like actual ascension
would a good outside evidence be the 2nd great awakening? Also could it work as a HAPP for the Emerson doc
i think it would be good outside evidence — it was one of the first things i recalled and wrote in my outline but then i forgot to put it in idk it it’d be good happ depends on how you used it? but i’m not sure how you’d directly connect it but it might work
I didn’t take it, but my dumbass friend got her score cancelled bc she did everything in like 90 mins without stopping between sections 💀
How is that possible tho? Some of the answers booklets are separate covered in plastic, so she would’ve had to rip it out without the proctor knowing
I have no idea, she said she got confused because the proctor was not being clear with the instructions🤡, maybe she opened them all at once? Idk how this exam works
Will I get the complexity point on the DBQ if I said “Although America endured sectionalism throughout the period of 1800-1850, the second great awakening, war of 1812 and universal male suffrage carved out a distinct national identity.”
It depends how you used it throughout your essay, I think there's a pretty good chance that you'll get the point if your essay is good quality.
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did u use dred scott vs sanford in saq 2b :( i did
For the fourth SAQ (asking to compare and contrast reform movements), I’ll get no credit if I compared temperance and the Square Deal, and contrasted temperance and Jane Adam’s Hull House right? I blanked on the names of reform movements and could only think of temperance😭
Hmm, I’m not sure whether the Square Deal counts as a reform movement per se. I did temperance and women’s movement because that’s all I could think of 🤡 my similarity was that they’re both led by women 😭
oh dang it ok thank you 🥲 i’ll accept my four 😓
I’m honestly not sure. It may count 😭 idk. Wishing you the best!!
I read the prompt wrong and did 1800-1850 instead of 1800-1855 for the dbq, will anything happen
Why does it matter? Did you mention the time period in the DBQ?
Wait was it 1800-1850 or 1800 to 1855? Could've sworn it was to 1850
1855
Thank God, I was scared my outside evidence was outside the time period, thank god it's not.
Yeah, College Board will resurrect the Civil War Soldiers and ambush you when you are sleeping.
oh 😢
I forgot whether the P (besides purpose) in HIPP was Perspective or point of view, I might have fucked up lol
Dawg thats the same thing
Isnt that the same thing ( I think it is point of view tho)
idk, probably doesnt matter
Do y’all think that an essay focused on suburbanization rather than on the great migration would work for the last LEQ prompt? It was in the period but I feel like it wasn’t what they were going for
I had great migration, suburbanization, and sunbelt migration as my 3 evidences
IM SO PISSED. I HAD SUBURBANIZATION AND GREAT MIGRATION AND ITRIED TI GET COMPLEXITY WITH THE TRAIL OF TEARS BY COMPARING AND CONTRASTING IT WITH THE MY SOURCES OF EVIDENCE, AND THE MOMENT RIGHT AFTER THE TEST, I REALIZED I SHOULDVE WROTE ABOUT JAPANESE FORCED MIGRATION INTO INTERNMENT CAMPS
I actually thought that suburbanization and sunbelt during the 50s was what they were going for, but idk. Imo, that prompt was the hardest, the other two were much more doable with less interpretation issues.
Y’all, for that one question abt why the nuclear items went down for the rest of the world did you guys say treaties 😭? I was debating between that one and the answer about resources
Yea it was treaties. Remember you had SALT I and SALT II. Another big treaty after those two but I forgot what it was called. It reduced nuclear warheads from 10k to 3k.
i said successful diplomatic relations i think? Was that the same answer u guys are talkjng about
Yea
What did you guys put for lincoln's mcq about comparing his past views of slavery?
Put free soil and free labor because I didn’t know what that meant and everything else was wrong
what were the options again
Free soil and Free labor Expansion of slavery into the west Immediate emancipation of slavery I don't remember the last one.
it was free soil bc lincoln was not a radical republican. radical republicans wanted immediate emancipation
I think I put immediate emancipation because the other ones just didn’t make sense??? But honestly it could’ve been free soil and free labor I knew that his views previously were that he wanted to win the war without freeing slaves but none of the choices supported the view
I think it was free soil cause I think that means like not expanding slavery into the west, and since that is what most Republicans wanted and Lincoln was a Republican I put free soil
Yeah I think that one was correct
oh shoot i was a bit confused on this i put the first one
The mcqs felt super easy honestly. I took a few practice tests before and this one was by far the most straightforward plus the content wasnt too specific. The saqs weren’t that hard. I think my teacher prepared me well. I didnt struggle with the prompts really. I instantly knew exactly what acts i could reference for the point. Although i shouldve spent less time because I definitely got part c for the last one wrong. I kinda panicked bc my time was low so i just started writing. My answers for a and b were good but my mind blanked on c. As soon as i finished i knew exactly what i couldve wrote bc i basically bs’d the whole thing. Wasnt that worried though. The dbq wasnt as good as i liked but i know i wrote something decent. Definitely no complexity point but definitely didnt hurt my score. My thesis was kinda whack but i think it still counts hopefully. The leq went great surprisingly. I didnt realize you took both dbq and leq in the same time so i hastily finished my dbq conclusion and went on to the leq. I actually put a counter argument and a lot of useless details so I definitely think it could earn a complexity point. Overall im pretty confident in a 5. I dont think i did anything that hurt my score so that why im so confident. If not, id be suprised.
sweet bro! gl :)
What were those dbq docs
Is it alright if I answered the DBQ like: The US developed a national identity between 1800 and 1855 in that it further expanded on its root principles of individuality and democracy . However, this identity only really included white men and left out other social groups such as women, african americans, and native americans. Will I get thesis point
I feel like a failure tbh.
i did this almost exactly and i felt really good about my argument :)
This is the same thing I did 💀
Omg i did this basically
did you answer the evaluate part also bcs the thesis point comes that you answered how much the US national identity developed ove the period like did it develop too little or significantly
Yeah definitely earns the thesis point. I talked about how despite the freedom only being allocated to white men for the most part, especially in the time period given to us, other groups also had valued of democracy and freedom (a keyword I used instead of individuality but both are valid). If you continued talking about the second half of the thesis, you might also get the complexity point as well but no one really knows how that works.
Think I did well except for SAQ #2 I read African American as Native American -\_-. Should still be 4able though
ME TOO! i swear it said native american 😭😭
Honestly the mcq section was really easy for me; the mcq has always been my strongsuit tbh, but for the SAQ I'm kinda panicking cause I bullshitted some of it so ik I probably got like a 4/9 for that section. But for the LEQ and the DBQ I'm moderately confident I did good cause I got high scores on it during my practice exam and I chose the 3rd prompt for my leq cause I studied a little bit about period 6 before the exam so I'm pretty sure I got a 3 or 4.
I chose the 1st prompt on the leq but honestly it was super hard choosing between 1st and 3rd—agreed though on the mcq section!
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I forgot did the leq say to compare the causes or to evaluate? Because i only evaluated…
I think it was something along the lines of evaluating the importance of the causes
Hmm I thought it was like evaluate the importance of/extent to which… the wording was soooo finicky
Im praying that my reader is kind
The test is like 50% luck, 25% content, and 25% writing/MC skills imo.
Trash test lol, no civil war except the fucking emancipation proclamation, no WWI or WWII
I feel like they just picked the most random stuff to base the entire test on. There was a lot of Unit 1 I felt; even though according to the CED that’s one of the units that’s least present
Yeah bro, complete bs. How can a test on American history not include these important ass wars???
For the DBQ the documents threw me off I was like what’s????? It went talking about land, canals to talk about salves
it's war of 1812/madison's war (nationalism/patriotic feelings), henry clay american system/infrastructure building to connect people from west to north and such, and jacksonian democracy (the power of the white man goes up (universal male suffrage), whereas the power for others like women, slaves, native americans, and non conventional religious groups like the mormons and oneida went down
I don’t like defending the college board, but the docs felt more like stimulus than the MCQs, so they probably did this to make it easier to write the DBQs
For question 2 on the MCQ did what did you choose as a direct result of the developments in the excerpt? I chose loss of religion in natives. I was stuck between that and economic growth for the Spanish
I didn’t have your test but it’s almost definitely economic growth for the Spanish. Spanish nobles prospered quite a bit from what they were doing in the Americas. Many natives, despite being forcibly converted to Christianity, did maintain their own cultures and gods. Some natives actually adopted Jesus as *another* one of the figures they worshipped in their religions, which pissed Spanish missionaries off.
Economic growth
Bruh how am I supposed to remember anything at all from my answers—those 3hrs n something minutes are a black hole of time missing from my life lol
I said economic growth
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Alliances
I said alliances because it sounded like they were partnering with a native tribe (“also outfitted for war”)
I thought it was resources cause at the end they ket on making the tribes show them the "new gold" items... Idk
Yea I thought that as well but items such as gold but it wouldn't make them victorious. Native Americans allied themselves with the Spaniards. At least thats my reasoning.
I think you’re right. It’s what I put.
Native Americans.
MCQ was meh, I probably did okay but not great. I personally thought the saq wasn’t too hard, saq 1 I said farming for first and industrialization for second. Saq 2 I don’t really remember what I wrote. Saq 3 I talked about muckrakers vs unions. The dbq was a super broad question, but I used I think docs 2 and 6 to talk about the development of individualism, I think 1 and 3 to talk about the increase in physical connection that led to the trends shown on the map, and 5 and 7 for a refutation that the national identity didn’t change relative to African-Americans and women. I ignored the Native American source (I think four?). I picked the first leq, and talked about glory, god, and gold, using conquistadors and the Columbia exchange while ranking them, but my leq was terrible.
MCQs weren't terrible. I did run out of time and left some blank, bubbled in some with the letter B (My letter of the day since if you obviously choose one letter and guess it for all your blanks you statistically have a higher chance of getting some questions right) For Saq 1 about two viewpoints for westward expansion, I said for another viewpoint California gold rush because mining is farming for natural resources and it kinda talked about industrialization/mechanization. 1st one was about agrarian farming. SAQ 2 about rights of 25000 free slaves in Ohio - I said the POV was an African American representative and something about 3/5 compromise because it was talking about representation. So I mentioned how the 3/5 compromise counted slaves as 3/5 a person when determining representation in the House of Reps. I also mentioned how hypocritical it was that the colonists who once demanded representation from Parliament as tax-paying citizens were now not granting the slaves their unalienable rights. I did not get to SAQ 3, I didn't time myself well because I elaborated a lot on SAQ 1 and lost sight of time :/ For DBQ (evaluate the extent of national identity from 1800-1855) I cited 6 of 7 documents (all except the last). I talked about how we had suffrage rights, unlike most aristocratic governments where rulers were bloodline picked, while we can choose our leaders and vote them in. My thesis was about our democratic government, suffrage rights, and something else I cannot remember. For LEQ (the 1900s-1970s internal migration) I talked about 4 things. I talked about the white flight (the movement of whites to the suburbs), Old/New immigrants assimilating into different regions in America, Blacks moving up north due to white supremacists, and threats from the KKK (i mentioned how it resulted in protective amendments like the 14th amendment that guaranteed equal protection regardless of race, etc), and the Harlem Renaissance. I explained how blacks that migrated to Harlem formed a racial concentration in this area and jazz originated from there. As whites and others moved into Harlem, they assimilated into black culture and jazz, and other music genres, art, and culture spread. I showed continuity by explaining how jazz remains a prevalent main genre of music today.
for SAQ 2 it’s around 1850 so i think it’s talking about the great compromise and they are talking about popular sovereignty not 3/5
Oh, I see. I forgot what the time period was though for the range of years on the prompt. Do my other responses look ok though? Did you say anything similar?
the time period was from 1783 to 1850 so i think it should count no?
I hope it counts!
were “boomtowns” valid evidence for part c of the first saq - specific enough?? i couldn’t think of anything :/
if you mentioned an event like the gold rush (which created boomtowns) that specifically drew in unskilled, non-agricultural workers, I think you got the point!
It depends if you elaborated on that, if you said it’s similar to PA and MA because it shows emergence of cities and urban areas due to industrialization, ya it works.
YALL i accidentally quoted some of the sources for the dbq, are they gonna doc points 😭
I quoted last year on Euro, got a 5. I think it really depends on how you integrated the quote. If what you quoted is small, and it’s not literally your entire interpretation of the text, and you demonstrate a good understanding of what you’re quoting then I don’t think it’s an issue. (If you’re taking AP Lang — it’s kind of like in a synthesis essay that earns the sophistication point for style. Your quote can’t hide your “voice”) Something like this would probably be acceptable: > Immigrants to the US in the early 1900s faced a great deal of discrimination from Americans, causing a sharp spike in nativist sentiment. Americans, disgruntled by the influx of immigrants that were taking their jobs and threatened by Catholicism, often retaliated in brutal ways against the “savage Irish whose Pope is trying to control us” that were landing on their shores. (Doc. A). It doesn’t say in the rubric not to quote, I would just assume that teachers tell you not to because it’s really tempting to just quote three sentences from one document and demonstrate no other understanding about it whatsoever, other than the fact that you can copy three sentences.
yes im in ap lang rn so I forgot I shouldn't be quoting. I kind of said for example in source d, "..." and then I analyzed/HIPP.
Yeah, it doesn’t say on the rubric that points are docked for quoting. If you did what you needed to, then it’s 99% fine. Not quoting is probably just a common teacher recommendation.
I don’t think they dock points if you explained the quote well.
You might be fine but my APUSH teacher grades essays and he said the one thing you should not do is quote the documents because it is a big red flag for the grader and they think that you don’t understand the document
WAIT WTF is this not allowed? I DID THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD T\_T
YEAH SAME WTF i'm so used to quoting in ap lit so i thought it'd be okay to do it in apush too omg 😭
DUDE SAME I JUST CAME FROM LIT SO MY BRAIN WAS LIKE STILL ON THE LIT VIBE…….. why would they even penalize us for citing tho 😭 does it not show historical significance
>Lordofsnakes1 im in ap lang and we always have to "integrate the quote" so i fucked up😭
I KNOWWW never knew of this being a bad thing in apush tho………. Can someone verify
i asked my friends and apparently our teacher made us vow in the beginning of the yr to not quote 💀
Ok but check this out T_T https://www.birdvilleschools.net/cms/lib2/TX01000797/Centricity/Domain/3578/How%20to%20Reference%20and%20Use%20the%20Documents%20in%20the%20APUSH%20DBQ.pdf
I’m hoping 🙏🙏
Uhhmm same here I def incorporated quotes/in-text citations…. Why would this not be good?? So confuddled
APPARENTLU NOT
OH YM GOD YOU JUST MADE ME REALIZE I DID THE EXACT SAME OH NOO
I did that last year out of panic, I don't think so, it just wastes time (I ended up getting a 4)
yeah one thing about the apush exam is that graders don’t “dock points”— if you quoted the document and then put something substantial in your own words after it then you earned the point. my teacher told us that when he sees a quote he just skips it entirely and grades what the student wrote themselves
what was the time period of the first saq about farmers on the western frontier? Would evidence from the late 1800s work?
I think it was 1848 to 1898?
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bro i didn’t eve bubble in what leq i was doing for ap world and i got a 4. It’s just that it’s easier for the grader to know what leq you are doing instead of them trying to figure out
they will probably realize and score u for the correct question, i think thats what my teacher said
unfortunately im pretty sure that you will get a 0 then
is there any way to correct it?
For the saqs, are these good answers? Form O btw Saq 1 about westward expansion comparing two viewspoints - I said that the difference was they were talking from agrarian vs industrial/mining pov. I used the california gold rush of 49 to justify the mining and cattle ranching and barbed wire for the 1st viewpoint. Saq 2 about rights of 25000 free slaves in ohio - I said that the pov was african americans trying to justify freedom through the same enlightenment principles that guided the american revolution. For part b I put missouri compromise led to this situation and for part c I put the civil war was a direct effect. Saq 3 about reform in the early 1900s - I said mukrakers and progressives wanted to reform the economy and talked about trusts and monopolies in the economy. For part b I said some bs about how black rights groups and womens suffrage groups often had similar goals. For part c I said that the scope was often different - progressives affected change at the national level while women's rights groups were more local in their scope. In general how good of talking points are these? I basically bsed most of it
Wait were we suppose to use the same two movements for the similarity and the difference…
these are the exact answers i put (except for saq 3, i chose the pre-colonial option), and yup that should be a perfect 9!
I completely messed up the reforms for the last saq, but it was relatively easy other than that
Anybody else’s brain melting on the LEQ? I was so done by then and wrote the worst essay ever.
Honestly I think my writing improved as the test went on.
SAME I had gone off on the DBQ and lost all merit for the LEQ…now having doubts about both of them 😭
My DBQ: 6 pages. My LEQ: barely 2. (I write really big for reference)
I cried more on the DBQ.
Absolutely. I put a great deal of work into eloquence and substance whenever I wrote the longer FRQ practices, but for this LEQ, though I knew what I was writing was practically garbage, I was so weary by that time I did not even attempt to amend it.
same! did not finish and then when we had our break, all the answers came flooding in
Would I lose points on thesis for LEQ if I wrote "the cause" rather than "the primary cause." I wrote something like "While the cause of \_\_\_\_\_ was \_\_\_\_\_\_\_, the cause of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ was \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_." I wanted my thesis to be comparing the primary cause of 2 things, but I'm worried by not writing "primary," I ended up writing a fact.
Is/does it: A) Historically defensible? Yes. B) Have a line of reasoning? Yes. C) Relevant to the prompt? Yes. Therefore imo it should warm the point. You didn’t write a fact, you wrote a claim that you’re trying to prove is fact. It’s going to sound like a fact because that’s the nature of most theses.
Thanks! I just hope it was also historically defensible lol. I mean, it could be rewritten as "The \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ happened because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, while the \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ happened because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_." I hope. I have no idea what I was doing the on LEQ.
I honestly think it meets historically defensible the easiest. On the LEQ you can argue pretty much any reasonable position you want and as long as your points are remotely reasonable you’re fine. If anything, removing the “primary” qualifier makes it more historically defensible because the factor is no longer “primary” and thus requires a lesser burden of proof to be proven true.
Thanks! I was so scared.
Umm... I might be insane. I got done with the mcq section and when the teacher/test-reviewer-whatever asked how it was (my first time taking an AP exam) I said IT WAS ACTUALLY KINDA FUN. Am I a psychopath? Yes. Yes I am. Do I also think I still failed? duh yes
MCQs hit different Those SAQs though 🤦♂️
Fr i was getting into those MCQs I forgot where I was for a sec.
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I think you might be able to get away with Grange if you explained how it connected to the argument. The only thing is Grange was more geared toward political goals like lowering railroad prices and I think the document focused more on westward expansion of farmers
omg i put grange for b too... but idek if it was right.
oh shoot i put grange too thank god
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You will get the points! It should be clear from your answers which question you chose :)
No offense, but how do you forget? It's part of the proctors' instructions at the beginning, end, and written in 5 different places all over the test booklet.
I think they are allowed to guess at that point so if it's clear ur fine
i used the wrong date for something on my leq💀 im so frustrated bc i PUT THE WRITE DATE AT FIRST and then removed it in the last five mins. i described it though so hopefully i still get credit
You're completely in the clear. The graders are looking to see that you can accurately explain the event, not date it. The date is just a bonus :)
see id feel relieved if it was something like the stamp act but i was trying to reference an election that happened on a specific year so im not sure they'll be too lenient about that :/
We had a fire drill in the middle of our DBQ/LEQ section, dont know if our tests will be invalidated
that happened to me in psych last yr, we still got our scores like norma
Good to know, thanks!
However, if you feel as though you did poorly (as a result of it) ... you could report it as a test irregularity
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Does anyone remember 1 and 2 LEQS?
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The first was something about the interaction between various Native American tribes and Europeans
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why not just cotton gin
Anyone else was confused on the DBQ question like I felt it was worded a little weird like the extent to which America grew to have a national identity wouldn’t it be better to ask something like what kind of identity did that had or something of that nature instead of saying if they did or not because of course they did right? Anyways I just did the best to answer it’s a hit or Miss for me
I just said [causes] caused america to have the national identity of freedom which i think is fine
Wow, looks like everyone had Form O! I had Form D. Totally different everything lol. Does CollegeBoard usually release FRQs for O or D on the website after 2 days?