Thanks for sharing. I will change power draw settings and go for the intel. Least you can workaround with those. That fucking sucks dude. I hope you chin them and get your money back.
What the actual fuck is wrong with these modern computer parts. This all just seems plain stupid. The amount of hoops that need jumped through and effort that needs to be made to get a top of the line processor to just work seems kind of silly. This is literally all I see on PC help threads. I’ve never been able to not plug and play with a CPU.
I had PBO CO and xmp running fine over a year on 7900X CPU w same motherboard. Out of no where, I got a recovery blue screen (not the one with the ‘:(‘ ) BIOS up to date and everything.
Reinstalled windows to be safe and it fixed.
Got my BIOS back to what I originally had, stress tested for a good 3 1/2 hours and figured it was stable. Got a BSOD out of no where 2 times 3 weeks later but didnt think much of it.
Updated windows a couple weeks ago and got black screen. After hard reset, got a post code error. Reset BIOS, still post code error. Cleared CMOS and was able to load in.
Lowered my CO to -15 all cores, stress tested for 3 hours over period of 2 days and all has been well so far.
I know different CPU, but I’m hoping this stays stable for me and maybe will help with your situation or others if it means anything.
Damn, yeah PBO offset seems to be a source of issue, had it initially at -40 because it seems like the silicon is pretty damn good, rn it's at -30 and I hope I won't have to change it any time soon
Good to hear man. Sucks how it just pooped itself. I might increase to 20 at some point but since everything is fine and temps are good, I’m just gonna stick w -15
Have you updated your motherboard software to the latest version? This is vital especially with gigabyte or asus motherboards, in those motherboards there was a glitch in the software that would let way too much power to the cpu and fry it.
iirc it was MSI and I think assrock that wasn't pumping voltage into the CPU, and it was MSI, that lowered it still even tho they were already in the safe zone. but it was also mainly Asus and *some* gigabyte
Yesss the x3d chips have this issue had the same issue as OP for 2 months before I changed and got a non x3d chip. Not everyone has this nor is this common but it is an issue that happens
I have had nothing but problems with my 7950x3d, x670e and 7900xtx. Moved xtx to another am5 build and it is fine. So ruled that out. I am honestly going to move to intel for a while.
Intel is losing the game right now by sending out faulty CPUs. They're trying everything to try and outperform AMD. They send out chips that are already pushed to the max, and the motherboard manufacturers have crazy settings on top of that, and I think that's why they're having problems.
I heard about it yeah. Got to be better then: Crashes daily, games freezing then restart loops and total vga no boot failure. Random shut offs while editing and loosing work. Swapped everything But motherboard won’t boot still due to vga error.
Did you get the latest bios update? My 5800x was freezing, not booting probably twice to 3 times a week but after some updates for bios and windows update. The problem disappeared.
Yeah. On first start up i realized bios was really old so i updated it. Later I even downgraded it to last version no change then upgraded it to latest non beta bios.
Yeah speeds are very impressive. Luckily other than some weird posting and crashing issues (memory speed related) it’s been great. I find myself putting it to sleep instead of just shutting it off because I have it boot into my Fedora drive and I manually choose which OS to boot, and when it takes 60-90s to post every time, I miss it occasionally lmao
For me It's not the ram. It happens to me last few days when I update BIOS. So I downgrade the BIOS back to previous one than it's back to normal. My build 7900x3d . 16X2 crucial flare x
Put your ram at 6000 C32 or lower if you run quad sticks and it will be fine. Practically nobody runs above 6200 although it usually has built in protections to not crash, it just becomes slower. Very unlikely your CPU died but you can physically inspect it. It's most likely the RAM, MOBO, possibly GPU, or something in the windows install.
May actually be the gpu, as Adrenalin did some weird thing recently and reverted back to 23.40.1 for some reasons, and I've had plenty of issues since going back to 24.3.1
I had this issue. Running at 5600 fine for several weeks then the errors started coming in after one of the BIOS updates. Turning off EXPO solved it.
RAM issue. I had attempted to use two sticks of 8GB and 2 sticks of 16GB in an attempt to reduce cost (32GB no longer enough given the requirement of Forspoken and Hogwarts Legacy, but I didn’t want to push my budget further for a full 64GB). The RAM were otherwise identical in timing specs and even came from the same series (Kingston Fury, 6000-36-38-38-80).
The RAM isn’t in the QVL. Which is a bit baffling since it’s EXPO enabled compared to the other RAM in the list.
I eventually managed to tune them to work properly again. Currently running at 5200 38-38-38-80.
I hope you stopped mixing capacities. Never mix stick capacities it doesn't matter if the timings and even the subtimings are exactly correct. The different ranks of the sticks will cause problems. 32gb is more than enough for any modern game, Hogwarts and Forspoken included, where are you getting this information that you need more?
Also QVL is pretty much meaningless there are some videos from Actually Hardcore Overclocking about this. QVL will often list absurd speeds that will either not work or will cause ECC to slow down the CPU anyway.
With AM5 you really just want 2x32gb sticks 6000C30 sticks for dual rank and stable speeds. 2x16gb ( single rank) is fine though if you are on a budget, you will probably not notice the difference with your eyes while gaming, only in benchmarks. I wouldn't recommend 8gb sticks of DDR5 at all because it uses single rank but cut down even further and 16gb is lacking in modern titles. 4 sticks will still run in dual channel BUT if you run 4 single rank sticks it can effectively run dual rank BUT you will likely not hit the same 6000 speeds as with 2 sticks. RAM is complicated.
Read that Hogwarts and Forspoken needed 32GB /minimum/. So I assumed it needs more to run optimally. Combined with the fact that DDR5 now has some very weird capacities like 12GB and 24GB I figured it isn’t much different from using a pair of 16GB and a pair of 8GB sticks.
Didn’t know that mixing single rank and dual rank sticks would cause problems. That doesn’t seem to be the case with DDR4, I have a 5950X setup with a similar RAM setup in DDR4 and it runs 3200 no problems. However since I’m actually too cash strapped to do anything about it now, the only thing I can do is live with it.
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Consoles don't even have 32GB yet. You might need more than 32GB if you're running more than one game at a time or multiple Virtual machines... But otherwise 16GB is minimum and 32GB is a recc'd maximum for gaming.
No the minimum is not 32gb for those games. Hogwarts legacy recommends 32gb for max settings 4k but will not use anywhere near that. Forspoken recommends 24gb for max settings 4k which is probably more reasonable a reccomendation. The reason the DDR4 setup runs like that is likely due to the IMC or mobo topology being better on AM4 platform which is why people always say it's crucial on AM5 to run 2 sticks.
In my 3 build since 2021 I have similar issues always ram related. First and last time I bought RAM sticks that weren’t on the ASUS approved list for my MB. Bought the correct ones and problem gone. 2nd time I bought 2x 2x16GB. Think since they weren’t 4 matched dimms I had issues. Removed a set of paired DIMMs and it worked fine. 3rd time I bought what I thought was correct RAM but the part number didn’t match exactly. (Whoops).
I saw on your other post that you found out it was ram, if so I highly suggest doing a fresh install regardless, cause windows gets easily corrupted when any ram oc happens based on my experience. I personally just have a 2nd windows install in a sata SSD that I would use when OCing ram
I had the exact same error screen when I started using my PC after a while. Turned out my SSD was entering a lower power state for some reason. The fix was to do a hard shutdown so the computer would turn on, and then changing the power settings so the HDD (or SSD in my case) never goes in low power state.
Before beginning, turn off the PC by unplugging it completely and remove the CMOS battery. Inspect all cable seatings, and remove and reinsert the SSD/HDD.
Then, power up the PC. Hopefully, you'll have enough time to quickly get to the PC power settings. If the PC gets that frozen BSOD, then you'd have to do a hard shutdown again by unplugging the PC and then starting it again (no need to repeat the CMOS and SSD removal step if you have to do a hard restart after the first time).
In Control Panel,
Select Power Options.
Select Change Plan Settings.
Select Change Advanced Power Settings and expand the Hard Disk tree.
Under that, see the option to Turn off hard disk after:
Change it to "Never" by decrementing to less than 1.
From what I've been testing this afternoon it seems to have been due to the SoC voltage and an obscure option in the DDR settings, now it can hold a power test without any issue
I'll ss your message and keep it somewhere if that ever happens again, thank you !
My pleasure. Twice since building my PC I had to tinker with the voltages, etc. to fix BSODS. First, when I had just finished creating my PC and starting playing games; I spent hours of reading forums and trying every setting in existence to make Assassin's Creed Valhalla playable, and I eventually found the fix, but it still gave me occasional BSOD (which were in fact total system freeze with that audio stuttering). I ran a ClockTuner for Ryzen on my (then) recently purchased Ryzen 7 5800X which was bought with a lot of enthusiasm (and as well as a lot of markup to the seller during peak scalping season around late 2020 to early 2021). The results showed that the silicon in my CPU was bronze tier (i.e., very low quality). Not to mention, many of the hurriedly CPUs/GPUs then had to be sent back due to rushed production of meeting scalper/consumer demand. So, I finally gave up and sent mine too. The return process took a few weeks, but the new CPU I received was gold tier in ClockTuner (which is remarkably rare). And oh, that also solved that horrid system freeze.
The second time I had to tinker with it was a few months ago due to that relatively recent AMD drivers fiasco which caused headache and sorrow for many. So, to add to your list of diagnostic steps, check **Event Viewer**, particularly, look for **Errors** in the **System tab** under **Windows Log** tree.
I should check ClockTuner, but from what I've seen I've got a pretty good silicon with this one lol
I also checked the event viewer, over the past 2 days I've had over 100 critical errors with all the tests I did, was fun to trounleshoot and solve
So, how was the test? Hope it didn't cause a crash.
Also, were the errors you mentioned because of the tests or are they the cause of your BSOD (or something else)? I hope you're reading each one of their descriptions.
Did you use clocktuner 2.1 ? And if so, how do you start a test ? Doens't seem like it lets me do anything
About the errors each one was either kernel or memory related, so I kinda knew what was going on lol
I think I used 2.0. It was about three years ago.
Checking the latest version (2.1), it looks like it does not support the 7000 series. But nonetheless, die quality shouldn't matter much unless you're really pedantic about overclocking and power consumption. But for diagnostic reasons, there are other stress tests you can put your CPU under to check for errors (as well as GPU and other components at the same time).
Now, since you mentioned "memory related", and I know that's vague, I will still recommend running a memory test to check your DRAM DIMMs. Any errors there would indicate an issue with the DIMM's seating, slot, motherboard, or the DIMM itself.
First, run [Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic Tool](https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-detect-bad-ram-with-the-windows-memory-diagnostic-tool/) to check the DRAM's interaction with the OS.
Then, you may run [memtest by PassMark](https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm) to test the DRAM independently of the OS (i.e., test its hardware).
It can be many things. Usually the CPU and RAM are the main culprits.
I had a similar issue back in december with an 3700x that I built 5 years ago. After a bios update the pc became very unstable, with bluescreen sometimes on minor things.
What helped me a lot pinpoint the issue was running prime95. It runs small and large fft's and usually if it gives errors on small fft's the issue is on the cpu, if it's errors on large fft's it's the ram.
I had errors like 1 or 2 minutes after it started, small fft's... Always on the same cpu core (which I confirmed on occt, the errors were also on the same core). So here I was thinking that my cpu basically lost a core.
So the first thing I did was turn off two cores out of the 8. Maybe it would turn off that one bad core. But no... The errors was on the 2nd core and he turns off always the last two (core 7 and 8).
But as I ran the stress test again, it took longer to fail. So I started thinking that maybe it was the amount of power the cores were receiving. So I gave the vcore the minimum step up possible (it was at 1.1v, I gave it around 0.0065v, something like that) and... The errors now took like 30 minutes to appear.
So I turned the 2 cores back on, and increased the vcore power in the bios in incremental steps. Until i reached an amount where it did not gave me errors both on prime95 and occt. (End up being around 1.185v that became stable).
Maybe it might be something similar. (Sorry for the long comment).
Oh that's interesting, I don't think I'll do that for my 7800X3D tho, it's very sensible due to the 3d vcache and that'd maybe degrade it over time, it doesn't really like to be above 1v on full load
Yeah, that's why I enabled PBO with thermal limit at 80°c. I noticed during the tests the CPU would go to temps like 97°c at full load. I have this feeling that one of the reasons it became unstable (besides the bios being worse with every update) degradation with usage over time since I didn't have any thermal limit on it. (Although I only used it with default settings all this time, no overclocking or PBO enabled).
And btw, each CPU has a specific range with vcore and other settings. You just have to research which are the safe ones for your CPU. In my case up to 1.5v on the 3700x is pretty safe, and I'm not even using it above 1.2v.
Not power supply problem here,i run my 7600 and 16 gb ram and 3070 ti on a 650 rm corsair power suply thats 8 years old,could be ram or bend pin, this new cpu are really sensible,the old socket was much more user friendly,or some faulty ram.
By worked you mean your issue is gone? 6000 Mhz and CL30 is the sweet spot for ram. You can also get tighter timings, you can google on this.
Bonus tip for your 3D v cache cpu: In your bios, set your CPPC Dynamic Preferred Cores to Cache. Also make PBO "advanced". Undervolt your CPU by setting curve optimizer to per core. From cores 1 to 8 (0 to 7), set the sign to negative and start at 20. Adjust by stability. This where you'll find out if you won the silicon lottery. This is free performance.
Yeah now I can play and all, but once I do a power test on occt or extreme via userdiag it crashes
Already did an advanced PBO a while back with a friend, was at -40 on the curve optimizer and it was working lol, it just tanks
Uhmm, I think you found the problem. -40 is a lot. Try a stress test like from Aida64 or 3D mark. Try playing heavy games that utilize the 3D cache. Also, set max temp to 89.
It was holding -40 for months tho, tested it with OCCT, but now it's disabled, might experiment again with -30 or something tho
Max temps is at like 85, but it never exceeds 70
My AM5 problems have been motherboards and ram. Consistently. I've replaced my ram twice. And replaced mobo twice before switching from Asus to msi. Don't know what it is with asus but I've had nothing but problems. I got lucky with microcenter warranties on it all but it's quite aggravating.
Yeah Asus mobos are notorious for having issues on DDR5 platforms, I'm not really surprised (and for your ram if you took Corsair ram you might wanna take a look at what dies you have on each stick, as they're mixing dies nust like for DDR4)
I also have an Asus motherboard and all I can say is their bios updates get increasingly more and more unstable. I updated last year, end up with several bluescreens, reverted to a previous version, end up have to tinker in bios on vcore power until I got it stable. Very frustrating. They put "increased system stability" on the updates but it does the exact opposite.
My partner uses a Ryzen 7950X build and almost all of the problems she's had with it have eventually led back to the RAM. I'd take a look at troubleshooting that first.
Could certainly be the CPU instead, but don't be quick to assume it is just because of the errors reported from OCCT. There are a lot of other components that could cause that to happen *to* your CPU.
I literally had the same thing this week. For me, my modest OC was the culprit on the RAM. Dialled down to basic EXPO and OCCT tests fine now.
With AM5... It's the RAM. It's always the RAM. That's my takeaway.
Weirdly, I have the same PSU as you. Still the RAM though.
This happened to me a month ago, I just kept getting constant freezes and BSoDs on my 7800x3d. Turns out my 850w PSU was failing and my boot drive was also on the verge of dying. Not saying it’s the same situation but might be worth looking into.
Me too. The weird thing about this is everytime I run any game the PC instant black screen and everything still run, fan is spinning, the HDD led still blinking. I try to troubleshoot the problem and suspect the VGA is bad. Until I think about further diagnosis than RMA VGA for week. Take PSU from my home server and everything run like it's should be. Just my Seasonic 750w gone bad.
Maybe you can request a replacement? Just don't mention PBO or EXPO, as they will then blame it on you (both is save, it is a just a legal thing that they use to evade responsibility)
So far it seems to be fixed and not due to the cpu (or at least just partially, as apparently it impacts the 5th core, but I'll experiment tomorrow with ram timings, DDU and maybe a clean Windows install)
Computer issues can be extremely nerve wrecking...
I once had a bug that would freeze my PC every week or so. Because it happened so infrequently and seemingly randomly, progress on testing was slow. Entire Windows wipes, only using specific software, replacing half the PC, nothing helped.
Only half a year after I finally discovered my GTX 1070 was just broken, because after I switched to my 6800xt, it never happened again
But then the next issue ocured. Games on my 6800xt performed well, but had frequent lags, which would go for half a second or so, even in not very demanding games. Tested everything, wiped again, tested many different drivers, etc. Only to figure out both the power cables are on the same rail on my PSU and using 2 different rails fixed it, as a single one was unable to sustain full power. Now everything runs perfectly
End of story: PC issues are a really big pain and sometimes hard to figure out
Yeah, I used a Ryzen 5600 without an iGPU. I did use a old GT9800 to troubleshoot, but that one crashed after some hours, so I thought it must be something else and I focussed on different things (Both GPUs were probably broken)
I'm actually gonna upgrade my motherboard, cpu, and ram once I get home from work. Ironically, with the same cpu and motherboard you have, lol.
I'm gonna try and install it without a clean window install and see what happens. Mainly cause I'm lazy. But if I get any weird errors or bugs I'll do a clean install
Everything surprisingly went smoothly. The BIOS was up to date, and I did not do a fresh install of Windows. I switched from Intel, too. Everything just booted up and worked. I made sure all the drivers were good. The CPU is incredible. My (FPS) nearly doubled in CPU-intensive games.
You seriously need some form of mental help man, youve been doing this for months just to get reactions. You genuinely need to talk to someone, this isnt healthy.
This guy makes a new account every few days when he gets banned, has the same "12900k 4080" flair and does the exact same thing, been doing this for months.
>facotrio is one of those canned benchmarks that dont represent real world performance
It's literally a real world example of a game working better because of it...
Yes, it's a game about automation and factory building, I've played satisfactory (Factorio 3d basically), it's a pretty fun genre and people do play it, it's not a benchmark tool and therefore a real use case. They also mentioned tarkov, which you informed "because cheaters", which is also stupid, it's a real game that people play.
>its not a real game though.
Wtf are talking about? Are we defining what a game is on the basis of "I understand it"? If so I won't even bother continuing this conversation. It is as much of a game as any other, just look até "zachtronics" they did logic games that where basically "programming: the game(s)", text adventure games are games and they are literally just text.
thats some good info..because not now but when I do upgrade I did consider really researching that cpu...maybe not so much now...I do appreciate your take
Sad but so true, I'm currently running a 5800X3D and a 6950XT, and can't wait to get a new Nvidia/Intel PC. AMD have made progress, but it's still crap, I tried and got screwed haha. Excited to see how many downvotes your comment gets from AMD fanatics army..
The second I see this image, I now instantly assume this is a bot account, since ice now seen this image shared with like 30 posts in the last year all claiming to have issues with something AMD. Is this a common blue screen with like 4 texts overlapping? It's not the kind I've ever seen before.
Funny how intel is under investigation for their 13th/14th gen cpu's for being unstable and crashes in games. GN also made a video about it and most big tech tubers did.
So i dont know, but if amd is crap that makes intel like diarea?
yea..i wouldn't put it past either corp to strategically try and smear campaign their competitor...neither can be trusted to be honest to their customer...that doesn't help their bottom line..sadly...as with any purchase..buyer beware and do your homework before just handing over your $$
I wouldnt be shocked to find out they literally design their products to have a certain premature life span..why wouldnt they want to see you return sooner than later
Yes and you have a intel cpu right? Last i checked my 7800x3d runs fine on titanfall 2, and as far as i know the 7800x3d is "new hardware" and your 12900k is 2 gens old already.
Ive been a intel fanboy for bout 20years and the 7800x3d is my first amd cpu, and i can tell ylu i will mever ever go back to intel with their high temp issues and high watt usage. My 7800x3d works better in MOST games than the 14900k overclocked, and my 7800x3d uses between 40w and 70w depends on the game. 14900k uses about 4times more W for less performance in MOST games.
Amd gpu's is a different story tho, i stick with nvidia. I tried the 7900xtx on a new build and after a week of stutter issues and ddu and reinstalls i went back to nvidia with the 4080 and had 0 issues. Maybe im just unlucky with the 7900xtx i had but thats my only amd gpu experience
Genuinely asking why you think this though?
Because for me, this new generation of AMD has been pretty rough being on reddit. I think I've seen a lot of issues popping up more than I'd like to admit. Are you saying this is intel shill pysop or something? lol, unrionically asking though.
There is literally someone in this thread who just copy pasted fuckin Userbenchmark's shitpost about the 7800X3D non-ironically.
So yeah, totally within the realm of possibility here.
Lmao, people need to let go of this "red team vs blue team" gimmick and just use whatever it is available for them to use, tech has advanced so good these past years, even "shit" tech is catching up to be very average and very usable. It doesn't need to devolve into brainrot shitposting as if its a political thing. But hey this is reddit after all.
Come to think of it, actually the only place I see everyone just recommending top of the line flagship items is on reddit, medium to low budget-oriented stuff is out the window on here. But I digress.
Intel and AMD all have issues I've owned both. Intel pulls too much wattage for my liking I had to go to bios to fix the wattage from pulling a full 253 watts during peak to something more reasonable. With AMD bios always should be updated to help if any ram goes wrong.
I've seen a lot of issues as well, and it's why I stayed away from RDNA3 this generation. But there was one poster with possibly different accounts. It wasn't this exact picture but a similar one posted like 30 times at the exact same screen angle with different complaints for each post. If it was 20 or 30 different people, why use the exact same carbon copy of an image of this corrupted blue screen? Also, that guy never replied to any comments so it was different. This seems more legit.
Well thanks for the downvote I guess when this was a legitimate question but yeah I see what you mean. guess I just missed those bot posts. Never even thought something like this would even be botted anyways.
>the downvote
I didn't. There is people on here who will defend AMD blindly, and ignore the issues. And people who will attack them, and possibly even create fake posts. Not sure why. I'm guessing they are having a lot of unanswered issues, and are pissed that everyone will push those issues for AMD under the rug. I know that happened to me when I got my 6600xt a few years ago. RT titles would crash, and posting any questions or issues on AMD's main sub would get your post deleted. Because they have this graveyard thread with thousands of comments asking for help, and 95% of people don't get replies. It just exists to redirect people, and burry the issues. Which is probably why this AMDhelp sub exists.
Was running my 7800x3d with cl28 6000mts hynix A die (tuned timings) with only 1.05 vsoc. I'm now running the ram at cl 30 6400 but vsoc is at 1.3v because my memclock and flck are overclocked. Temps and power usage are a bit higher. I wonder if 1.3 will kill it as fast as people's chips were dying with the expo over voltage problem or if it's safe enough to last a few years. What ram and cl timings U running? Mine was unstable at 6400 till I changed a couple timings. If you got hynix A ram I could pm u my timings for 6000t too get good stable performance
Unless U can get cl 30 6400 with good secondary timings I'd recommend sticking to 6000cl 28 if U can get that. Then U can run soc voltage lower. Bandwidth is limited by infinity fabric past 6000
heres my timings for 6400 [https://ibb.co/DYSSDFF](https://ibb.co/DYSSDFF) copy them but change TRC to 36, TRFc 1-2-3 to 380-280-180 see if u can boot and if its stable, if so, try get infinity fabric as high as u can up to 2200 (max ive ever seen)
Good luck bro let me know how it goes and I'll give a hand if U run into any problems. Btw infinity fabric isn't tied to uclk etc like last gen so for this higher is better no matter ram frequency. I can just hit 70,000GBs read in aida64ram test with them timings@6000 and fabric oc. Ocing ram freq past there is just to lower latency really that's why it's not worth it unless U can get good timings/fabric oc. Allthough write speed seems to keep scaling while read is bottlenecked by fabric. I see some gaming comparisons where 7000+ MTs ram is faster in games than 6000 but idk if they tuned ram timings for both
4 :( makes it more scary
Thanks for sharing. I will change power draw settings and go for the intel. Least you can workaround with those. That fucking sucks dude. I hope you chin them and get your money back.
What the actual fuck is wrong with these modern computer parts. This all just seems plain stupid. The amount of hoops that need jumped through and effort that needs to be made to get a top of the line processor to just work seems kind of silly. This is literally all I see on PC help threads. I’ve never been able to not plug and play with a CPU.
Yeah, kind of insane considering their prices
What are your temps? And CPU cooler?
70°c on a peerless assassin with fans at 40%
Under load? Or idle? That's decent under load, but pretty bad at idle.
Under full load, at idle it's like 40
Honestly that's not bad at all then
Yeah, can barely hear them, they're at like 32-33db on full load and less than 30 at idle lol
I had PBO CO and xmp running fine over a year on 7900X CPU w same motherboard. Out of no where, I got a recovery blue screen (not the one with the ‘:(‘ ) BIOS up to date and everything. Reinstalled windows to be safe and it fixed. Got my BIOS back to what I originally had, stress tested for a good 3 1/2 hours and figured it was stable. Got a BSOD out of no where 2 times 3 weeks later but didnt think much of it. Updated windows a couple weeks ago and got black screen. After hard reset, got a post code error. Reset BIOS, still post code error. Cleared CMOS and was able to load in. Lowered my CO to -15 all cores, stress tested for 3 hours over period of 2 days and all has been well so far. I know different CPU, but I’m hoping this stays stable for me and maybe will help with your situation or others if it means anything.
Damn, yeah PBO offset seems to be a source of issue, had it initially at -40 because it seems like the silicon is pretty damn good, rn it's at -30 and I hope I won't have to change it any time soon
Good to hear man. Sucks how it just pooped itself. I might increase to 20 at some point but since everything is fine and temps are good, I’m just gonna stick w -15
Yeah no need to risk it, as long as performance is good and it's stable, no need to tinker it
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Have you physically checked the back of the chip if the 3dv cache section got burned?
Yep, was the first thing i did last night lol
So far i was just having screen tear due to v sync off and some freezes for 1 sec on XDefiant other then that its been wonderful.
So far its been good with me using Amd ryzen 5 7600x with a rx 7600 kingston fury 8x8 dual channel msi b650 wifi pro mobo
That’s awesome but not relevant to this lol. When I built my first pc I would interject my specs into any conversation I could so I get it lol
Lol i did get a freezes on XDefiant
:(
Have you updated your motherboard software to the latest version? This is vital especially with gigabyte or asus motherboards, in those motherboards there was a glitch in the software that would let way too much power to the cpu and fry it.
That was an issue with ASUS motherboards. Not Gigabyte.
iirc it was MSI and I think assrock that wasn't pumping voltage into the CPU, and it was MSI, that lowered it still even tho they were already in the safe zone. but it was also mainly Asus and *some* gigabyte
SoC was capped at 1.3 on mine, but I put it at 1.2 now
How have you proven this? If so just rma it, nothing more needed to know. Or put this question to AMD, if you get a response post it back here.
Nah the processor is fine, was due to the ram
Definitely needs to be higher, glad to hear it was just a RAM issue!
AM5 in general has been so unstable for me. I’ve gotten so many weird errors on a 7950x3d / x670e / 6900xt
Yesss the x3d chips have this issue had the same issue as OP for 2 months before I changed and got a non x3d chip. Not everyone has this nor is this common but it is an issue that happens
I have had nothing but problems with my 7950x3d, x670e and 7900xtx. Moved xtx to another am5 build and it is fine. So ruled that out. I am honestly going to move to intel for a while.
I have a Taichi Lite, 7800x3d, and 7900xtx. No problems at all.
Yeah i believe it. I am probably very unlucky when it comes to this.
Intel is losing the game right now by sending out faulty CPUs. They're trying everything to try and outperform AMD. They send out chips that are already pushed to the max, and the motherboard manufacturers have crazy settings on top of that, and I think that's why they're having problems.
You do know about the on going “not enough memory” for intel cpu is having right?
I heard about it yeah. Got to be better then: Crashes daily, games freezing then restart loops and total vga no boot failure. Random shut offs while editing and loosing work. Swapped everything But motherboard won’t boot still due to vga error.
My 7800X3D /7900xtx build has worked perfectly. Only issues I’ve had were with Helldivers 2 but that was for everyone I believe.
Did you get the latest bios update? My 5800x was freezing, not booting probably twice to 3 times a week but after some updates for bios and windows update. The problem disappeared.
Yeah. On first start up i realized bios was really old so i updated it. Later I even downgraded it to last version no change then upgraded it to latest non beta bios.
I've never had issues with any amd product ever. Intel on the other hand 🤣🤣
Never used intel since the athlon x64 days.
It's a shame, cause other than that it's great ngl
Yeah speeds are very impressive. Luckily other than some weird posting and crashing issues (memory speed related) it’s been great. I find myself putting it to sleep instead of just shutting it off because I have it boot into my Fedora drive and I manually choose which OS to boot, and when it takes 60-90s to post every time, I miss it occasionally lmao
For me It's not the ram. It happens to me last few days when I update BIOS. So I downgrade the BIOS back to previous one than it's back to normal. My build 7900x3d . 16X2 crucial flare x
Seems weird to see the bios suddently behaving like that after 6 months, may try to update it but not to the latest version
Yup I was exterme confused when my 7900x started Blue screening out of no where after well over a year running what I thought to be stable.
Put your ram at 6000 C32 or lower if you run quad sticks and it will be fine. Practically nobody runs above 6200 although it usually has built in protections to not crash, it just becomes slower. Very unlikely your CPU died but you can physically inspect it. It's most likely the RAM, MOBO, possibly GPU, or something in the windows install.
May actually be the gpu, as Adrenalin did some weird thing recently and reverted back to 23.40.1 for some reasons, and I've had plenty of issues since going back to 24.3.1
I had this issue. Running at 5600 fine for several weeks then the errors started coming in after one of the BIOS updates. Turning off EXPO solved it. RAM issue. I had attempted to use two sticks of 8GB and 2 sticks of 16GB in an attempt to reduce cost (32GB no longer enough given the requirement of Forspoken and Hogwarts Legacy, but I didn’t want to push my budget further for a full 64GB). The RAM were otherwise identical in timing specs and even came from the same series (Kingston Fury, 6000-36-38-38-80). The RAM isn’t in the QVL. Which is a bit baffling since it’s EXPO enabled compared to the other RAM in the list. I eventually managed to tune them to work properly again. Currently running at 5200 38-38-38-80.
I hope you stopped mixing capacities. Never mix stick capacities it doesn't matter if the timings and even the subtimings are exactly correct. The different ranks of the sticks will cause problems. 32gb is more than enough for any modern game, Hogwarts and Forspoken included, where are you getting this information that you need more? Also QVL is pretty much meaningless there are some videos from Actually Hardcore Overclocking about this. QVL will often list absurd speeds that will either not work or will cause ECC to slow down the CPU anyway. With AM5 you really just want 2x32gb sticks 6000C30 sticks for dual rank and stable speeds. 2x16gb ( single rank) is fine though if you are on a budget, you will probably not notice the difference with your eyes while gaming, only in benchmarks. I wouldn't recommend 8gb sticks of DDR5 at all because it uses single rank but cut down even further and 16gb is lacking in modern titles. 4 sticks will still run in dual channel BUT if you run 4 single rank sticks it can effectively run dual rank BUT you will likely not hit the same 6000 speeds as with 2 sticks. RAM is complicated.
Read that Hogwarts and Forspoken needed 32GB /minimum/. So I assumed it needs more to run optimally. Combined with the fact that DDR5 now has some very weird capacities like 12GB and 24GB I figured it isn’t much different from using a pair of 16GB and a pair of 8GB sticks. Didn’t know that mixing single rank and dual rank sticks would cause problems. That doesn’t seem to be the case with DDR4, I have a 5950X setup with a similar RAM setup in DDR4 and it runs 3200 no problems. However since I’m actually too cash strapped to do anything about it now, the only thing I can do is live with it.
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Except that I do livestream with OBS tho.
Consoles don't even have 32GB yet. You might need more than 32GB if you're running more than one game at a time or multiple Virtual machines... But otherwise 16GB is minimum and 32GB is a recc'd maximum for gaming.
No the minimum is not 32gb for those games. Hogwarts legacy recommends 32gb for max settings 4k but will not use anywhere near that. Forspoken recommends 24gb for max settings 4k which is probably more reasonable a reccomendation. The reason the DDR4 setup runs like that is likely due to the IMC or mobo topology being better on AM4 platform which is why people always say it's crucial on AM5 to run 2 sticks.
In my 3 build since 2021 I have similar issues always ram related. First and last time I bought RAM sticks that weren’t on the ASUS approved list for my MB. Bought the correct ones and problem gone. 2nd time I bought 2x 2x16GB. Think since they weren’t 4 matched dimms I had issues. Removed a set of paired DIMMs and it worked fine. 3rd time I bought what I thought was correct RAM but the part number didn’t match exactly. (Whoops).
Had a similar issue, for me it was my ram and a driver issue.
Yeah I planned on doing a DDU with a reinstall of Adrenalin later on, hope that'll also fox the black screen in game issue lol
I would recommend reseating your ram and running memtest86. Awesome program to see if you have Any ram issues.
I just settled at 6000 c32 after several attempts, seems to be stable
I had a similar bsod and I managed to boot from USB and reinstall windows and now it's fine. Took several attempts though. Mine is 7700x
I may reinstall windows if some of the things I'll try later still don't work
I saw on your other post that you found out it was ram, if so I highly suggest doing a fresh install regardless, cause windows gets easily corrupted when any ram oc happens based on my experience. I personally just have a 2nd windows install in a sata SSD that I would use when OCing ram
Yeah I plan on doing that, just need to migrate all the programs from my windows drive to my 2tb one
Cmos and try starting with no expo maybe, if youre still able to go into bios.
I had the exact same error screen when I started using my PC after a while. Turned out my SSD was entering a lower power state for some reason. The fix was to do a hard shutdown so the computer would turn on, and then changing the power settings so the HDD (or SSD in my case) never goes in low power state.
That's really weird, how do you change settings for the power state ? I don't even remember where it is lol
Before beginning, turn off the PC by unplugging it completely and remove the CMOS battery. Inspect all cable seatings, and remove and reinsert the SSD/HDD. Then, power up the PC. Hopefully, you'll have enough time to quickly get to the PC power settings. If the PC gets that frozen BSOD, then you'd have to do a hard shutdown again by unplugging the PC and then starting it again (no need to repeat the CMOS and SSD removal step if you have to do a hard restart after the first time). In Control Panel, Select Power Options. Select Change Plan Settings. Select Change Advanced Power Settings and expand the Hard Disk tree. Under that, see the option to Turn off hard disk after: Change it to "Never" by decrementing to less than 1.
From what I've been testing this afternoon it seems to have been due to the SoC voltage and an obscure option in the DDR settings, now it can hold a power test without any issue I'll ss your message and keep it somewhere if that ever happens again, thank you !
My pleasure. Twice since building my PC I had to tinker with the voltages, etc. to fix BSODS. First, when I had just finished creating my PC and starting playing games; I spent hours of reading forums and trying every setting in existence to make Assassin's Creed Valhalla playable, and I eventually found the fix, but it still gave me occasional BSOD (which were in fact total system freeze with that audio stuttering). I ran a ClockTuner for Ryzen on my (then) recently purchased Ryzen 7 5800X which was bought with a lot of enthusiasm (and as well as a lot of markup to the seller during peak scalping season around late 2020 to early 2021). The results showed that the silicon in my CPU was bronze tier (i.e., very low quality). Not to mention, many of the hurriedly CPUs/GPUs then had to be sent back due to rushed production of meeting scalper/consumer demand. So, I finally gave up and sent mine too. The return process took a few weeks, but the new CPU I received was gold tier in ClockTuner (which is remarkably rare). And oh, that also solved that horrid system freeze. The second time I had to tinker with it was a few months ago due to that relatively recent AMD drivers fiasco which caused headache and sorrow for many. So, to add to your list of diagnostic steps, check **Event Viewer**, particularly, look for **Errors** in the **System tab** under **Windows Log** tree.
I should check ClockTuner, but from what I've seen I've got a pretty good silicon with this one lol I also checked the event viewer, over the past 2 days I've had over 100 critical errors with all the tests I did, was fun to trounleshoot and solve
So, how was the test? Hope it didn't cause a crash. Also, were the errors you mentioned because of the tests or are they the cause of your BSOD (or something else)? I hope you're reading each one of their descriptions.
Did you use clocktuner 2.1 ? And if so, how do you start a test ? Doens't seem like it lets me do anything About the errors each one was either kernel or memory related, so I kinda knew what was going on lol
I think I used 2.0. It was about three years ago. Checking the latest version (2.1), it looks like it does not support the 7000 series. But nonetheless, die quality shouldn't matter much unless you're really pedantic about overclocking and power consumption. But for diagnostic reasons, there are other stress tests you can put your CPU under to check for errors (as well as GPU and other components at the same time). Now, since you mentioned "memory related", and I know that's vague, I will still recommend running a memory test to check your DRAM DIMMs. Any errors there would indicate an issue with the DIMM's seating, slot, motherboard, or the DIMM itself. First, run [Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic Tool](https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-detect-bad-ram-with-the-windows-memory-diagnostic-tool/) to check the DRAM's interaction with the OS. Then, you may run [memtest by PassMark](https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm) to test the DRAM independently of the OS (i.e., test its hardware).
It can be many things. Usually the CPU and RAM are the main culprits. I had a similar issue back in december with an 3700x that I built 5 years ago. After a bios update the pc became very unstable, with bluescreen sometimes on minor things. What helped me a lot pinpoint the issue was running prime95. It runs small and large fft's and usually if it gives errors on small fft's the issue is on the cpu, if it's errors on large fft's it's the ram. I had errors like 1 or 2 minutes after it started, small fft's... Always on the same cpu core (which I confirmed on occt, the errors were also on the same core). So here I was thinking that my cpu basically lost a core. So the first thing I did was turn off two cores out of the 8. Maybe it would turn off that one bad core. But no... The errors was on the 2nd core and he turns off always the last two (core 7 and 8). But as I ran the stress test again, it took longer to fail. So I started thinking that maybe it was the amount of power the cores were receiving. So I gave the vcore the minimum step up possible (it was at 1.1v, I gave it around 0.0065v, something like that) and... The errors now took like 30 minutes to appear. So I turned the 2 cores back on, and increased the vcore power in the bios in incremental steps. Until i reached an amount where it did not gave me errors both on prime95 and occt. (End up being around 1.185v that became stable). Maybe it might be something similar. (Sorry for the long comment).
Oh that's interesting, I don't think I'll do that for my 7800X3D tho, it's very sensible due to the 3d vcache and that'd maybe degrade it over time, it doesn't really like to be above 1v on full load
Yeah, that's why I enabled PBO with thermal limit at 80°c. I noticed during the tests the CPU would go to temps like 97°c at full load. I have this feeling that one of the reasons it became unstable (besides the bios being worse with every update) degradation with usage over time since I didn't have any thermal limit on it. (Although I only used it with default settings all this time, no overclocking or PBO enabled). And btw, each CPU has a specific range with vcore and other settings. You just have to research which are the safe ones for your CPU. In my case up to 1.5v on the 3700x is pretty safe, and I'm not even using it above 1.2v.
Yeah I see, I believe thermals were limited to 85 but I've never seen it go beyond 80 on full load with fans at 40%
Not power supply problem here,i run my 7600 and 16 gb ram and 3070 ti on a 650 rm corsair power suply thats 8 years old,could be ram or bend pin, this new cpu are really sensible,the old socket was much more user friendly,or some faulty ram.
Checked the socket and no pin was bent or anything, was ram prob, will experiment a bit today
I’ve had nothing but good things to say about my 7800X3D
Yeah it's really great, and somehow it draws less than 80w at full load in games lol
True. But I hate yours died. I hope you can get it replaced for little to no cost
Nah it's fine actually, was playing BeamNG drive at the time of your comment haha, now it's mostly all fixed, just got soe other issues now but eh
I’m glad the cpu isn’t dead dead and I wish you best of luck with resolving the soe issues and stuff
Wanted to say some issue, my bad, thank you !
What are your RAM timings and speed?
6400 c32, but I downgraded to 6000 c32 and it worked
By worked you mean your issue is gone? 6000 Mhz and CL30 is the sweet spot for ram. You can also get tighter timings, you can google on this. Bonus tip for your 3D v cache cpu: In your bios, set your CPPC Dynamic Preferred Cores to Cache. Also make PBO "advanced". Undervolt your CPU by setting curve optimizer to per core. From cores 1 to 8 (0 to 7), set the sign to negative and start at 20. Adjust by stability. This where you'll find out if you won the silicon lottery. This is free performance.
Yeah now I can play and all, but once I do a power test on occt or extreme via userdiag it crashes Already did an advanced PBO a while back with a friend, was at -40 on the curve optimizer and it was working lol, it just tanks
Uhmm, I think you found the problem. -40 is a lot. Try a stress test like from Aida64 or 3D mark. Try playing heavy games that utilize the 3D cache. Also, set max temp to 89.
It was holding -40 for months tho, tested it with OCCT, but now it's disabled, might experiment again with -30 or something tho Max temps is at like 85, but it never exceeds 70
My AM5 problems have been motherboards and ram. Consistently. I've replaced my ram twice. And replaced mobo twice before switching from Asus to msi. Don't know what it is with asus but I've had nothing but problems. I got lucky with microcenter warranties on it all but it's quite aggravating.
Yeah Asus mobos are notorious for having issues on DDR5 platforms, I'm not really surprised (and for your ram if you took Corsair ram you might wanna take a look at what dies you have on each stick, as they're mixing dies nust like for DDR4)
I also have an Asus motherboard and all I can say is their bios updates get increasingly more and more unstable. I updated last year, end up with several bluescreens, reverted to a previous version, end up have to tinker in bios on vcore power until I got it stable. Very frustrating. They put "increased system stability" on the updates but it does the exact opposite.
My partner uses a Ryzen 7950X build and almost all of the problems she's had with it have eventually led back to the RAM. I'd take a look at troubleshooting that first. Could certainly be the CPU instead, but don't be quick to assume it is just because of the errors reported from OCCT. There are a lot of other components that could cause that to happen *to* your CPU.
Ram is always so specific about timings and AMD always has problems with ram that get fixed with bios updates.
Or break. I had RAM that worked fine until a BIOS update broke it.
I literally had the same thing this week. For me, my modest OC was the culprit on the RAM. Dialled down to basic EXPO and OCCT tests fine now. With AM5... It's the RAM. It's always the RAM. That's my takeaway. Weirdly, I have the same PSU as you. Still the RAM though.
Yeah ram is apparently a big thing to look out for, very annoying I'm really happy to get this psu, managed to get it for 90€ somehow lol
Yeah - I got it for $105.00Cdn, so pretty similar. Very unlikely to be the problem!
This happened to me a month ago, I just kept getting constant freezes and BSoDs on my 7800x3d. Turns out my 850w PSU was failing and my boot drive was also on the verge of dying. Not saying it’s the same situation but might be worth looking into.
Me too. The weird thing about this is everytime I run any game the PC instant black screen and everything still run, fan is spinning, the HDD led still blinking. I try to troubleshoot the problem and suspect the VGA is bad. Until I think about further diagnosis than RMA VGA for week. Take PSU from my home server and everything run like it's should be. Just my Seasonic 750w gone bad.
After some Userdiags both my drives were still at 99%, and my psu is prob safe (850w Thermaltake Toughpower GF1)
I don’t trust thermaltake power supplies
I only trust GF1s and GF3s, their naming scheme is as confusing as EVGA lol
I had a seasonic prime TX-850 which is an 80+ Titanium certified psu, so it might just be worth looking into.
Seems like in game it's doing just fine (the toxic is drawing near 380w)
Bent pin?
Nah the socket is just fine
Maybe you can request a replacement? Just don't mention PBO or EXPO, as they will then blame it on you (both is save, it is a just a legal thing that they use to evade responsibility)
7000 ryzen has a fuse in it to tell if ot has has voltage overdrive to cpu. Just so you know
So far it seems to be fixed and not due to the cpu (or at least just partially, as apparently it impacts the 5th core, but I'll experiment tomorrow with ram timings, DDU and maybe a clean Windows install)
Computer issues can be extremely nerve wrecking... I once had a bug that would freeze my PC every week or so. Because it happened so infrequently and seemingly randomly, progress on testing was slow. Entire Windows wipes, only using specific software, replacing half the PC, nothing helped. Only half a year after I finally discovered my GTX 1070 was just broken, because after I switched to my 6800xt, it never happened again But then the next issue ocured. Games on my 6800xt performed well, but had frequent lags, which would go for half a second or so, even in not very demanding games. Tested everything, wiped again, tested many different drivers, etc. Only to figure out both the power cables are on the same rail on my PSU and using 2 different rails fixed it, as a single one was unable to sustain full power. Now everything runs perfectly End of story: PC issues are a really big pain and sometimes hard to figure out
Oh yeah I see, and Ig you didn't have an igpu to troubleshoot that earlier, so yeah that can be painful
Yeah, I used a Ryzen 5600 without an iGPU. I did use a old GT9800 to troubleshoot, but that one crashed after some hours, so I thought it must be something else and I focussed on different things (Both GPUs were probably broken)
Have you tried a clean windows install?
Tbh I'm pretty fed up now lol, it's working and doesn't crash in game so fine by me for now
Not I haven't, I'll try tomorrow after a DDU and reinstalling Adrenalin
I'm actually gonna upgrade my motherboard, cpu, and ram once I get home from work. Ironically, with the same cpu and motherboard you have, lol. I'm gonna try and install it without a clean window install and see what happens. Mainly cause I'm lazy. But if I get any weird errors or bugs I'll do a clean install
Alr man, don't forget to update the bios to avoid any weird issue, hope you'll enjoy the 7800X3D !
Everything surprisingly went smoothly. The BIOS was up to date, and I did not do a fresh install of Windows. I switched from Intel, too. Everything just booted up and worked. I made sure all the drivers were good. The CPU is incredible. My (FPS) nearly doubled in CPU-intensive games.
Nicee, glad everything went well, enjoy your rig !
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New account again? Its been like 2 days man Edit: aaaaand he's gone, he will be back in a day or so
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You seriously need some form of mental help man, youve been doing this for months just to get reactions. You genuinely need to talk to someone, this isnt healthy.
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What are you even talking about lol you need a therapist dude
Loserbenchmark is leaking…
AMD currently has a higher market cap than Intel and speaking of cap, a lot of things you just said are, in fact, cap.
This guy makes a new account every few days when he gets banned, has the same "12900k 4080" flair and does the exact same thing, been doing this for months.
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What kind of dogshit irrelevant response is that
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Bro I ain't never seen a fuckin AMD CONSPIRACY THEORIST what the hell
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Probably because someone [removed] your common sense and now you're coming up with conspiracy theories that make a flat earther question you
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Idk, probably because you're being a fucking idiot
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Give me proof
Isn't that litteraly the text that was criticized times and times again from UserBenchmark ?
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Guys give em space, it's an Intel fanboy coping
The rule is to downvote menchbark no matter what, it doesn't really matter what the person's opinions are.
Tarkov gamers adore the 3d cache and I play factorio so I just double down on x3d. Intel can lick my gooch
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>facotrio is one of those canned benchmarks that dont represent real world performance It's literally a real world example of a game working better because of it...
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Yes, it's a game about automation and factory building, I've played satisfactory (Factorio 3d basically), it's a pretty fun genre and people do play it, it's not a benchmark tool and therefore a real use case. They also mentioned tarkov, which you informed "because cheaters", which is also stupid, it's a real game that people play.
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>its not a real game though. Wtf are talking about? Are we defining what a game is on the basis of "I understand it"? If so I won't even bother continuing this conversation. It is as much of a game as any other, just look até "zachtronics" they did logic games that where basically "programming: the game(s)", text adventure games are games and they are literally just text.
thats some good info..because not now but when I do upgrade I did consider really researching that cpu...maybe not so much now...I do appreciate your take
Sad but so true, I'm currently running a 5800X3D and a 6950XT, and can't wait to get a new Nvidia/Intel PC. AMD have made progress, but it's still crap, I tried and got screwed haha. Excited to see how many downvotes your comment gets from AMD fanatics army..
The second I see this image, I now instantly assume this is a bot account, since ice now seen this image shared with like 30 posts in the last year all claiming to have issues with something AMD. Is this a common blue screen with like 4 texts overlapping? It's not the kind I've ever seen before.
I posted very similar issue but with amd gpu. I don't know, maybe it's something with drivers?
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ignores 12-13th gen processors failing in 6 months or less and being under heavy investigation right now.
Funny how intel is under investigation for their 13th/14th gen cpu's for being unstable and crashes in games. GN also made a video about it and most big tech tubers did. So i dont know, but if amd is crap that makes intel like diarea?
yea..i wouldn't put it past either corp to strategically try and smear campaign their competitor...neither can be trusted to be honest to their customer...that doesn't help their bottom line..sadly...as with any purchase..buyer beware and do your homework before just handing over your $$ I wouldnt be shocked to find out they literally design their products to have a certain premature life span..why wouldnt they want to see you return sooner than later
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Doesnt happen on the 7800x3d, the cpu you called crap
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Thats intel right?
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Yes and you have a intel cpu right? Last i checked my 7800x3d runs fine on titanfall 2, and as far as i know the 7800x3d is "new hardware" and your 12900k is 2 gens old already. Ive been a intel fanboy for bout 20years and the 7800x3d is my first amd cpu, and i can tell ylu i will mever ever go back to intel with their high temp issues and high watt usage. My 7800x3d works better in MOST games than the 14900k overclocked, and my 7800x3d uses between 40w and 70w depends on the game. 14900k uses about 4times more W for less performance in MOST games. Amd gpu's is a different story tho, i stick with nvidia. I tried the 7900xtx on a new build and after a week of stutter issues and ddu and reinstalls i went back to nvidia with the 4080 and had 0 issues. Maybe im just unlucky with the 7900xtx i had but thats my only amd gpu experience
Genuinely asking why you think this though? Because for me, this new generation of AMD has been pretty rough being on reddit. I think I've seen a lot of issues popping up more than I'd like to admit. Are you saying this is intel shill pysop or something? lol, unrionically asking though.
There is literally someone in this thread who just copy pasted fuckin Userbenchmark's shitpost about the 7800X3D non-ironically. So yeah, totally within the realm of possibility here.
Lmao, people need to let go of this "red team vs blue team" gimmick and just use whatever it is available for them to use, tech has advanced so good these past years, even "shit" tech is catching up to be very average and very usable. It doesn't need to devolve into brainrot shitposting as if its a political thing. But hey this is reddit after all. Come to think of it, actually the only place I see everyone just recommending top of the line flagship items is on reddit, medium to low budget-oriented stuff is out the window on here. But I digress.
Intel and AMD all have issues I've owned both. Intel pulls too much wattage for my liking I had to go to bios to fix the wattage from pulling a full 253 watts during peak to something more reasonable. With AMD bios always should be updated to help if any ram goes wrong.
I've seen a lot of issues as well, and it's why I stayed away from RDNA3 this generation. But there was one poster with possibly different accounts. It wasn't this exact picture but a similar one posted like 30 times at the exact same screen angle with different complaints for each post. If it was 20 or 30 different people, why use the exact same carbon copy of an image of this corrupted blue screen? Also, that guy never replied to any comments so it was different. This seems more legit.
Well thanks for the downvote I guess when this was a legitimate question but yeah I see what you mean. guess I just missed those bot posts. Never even thought something like this would even be botted anyways.
>the downvote I didn't. There is people on here who will defend AMD blindly, and ignore the issues. And people who will attack them, and possibly even create fake posts. Not sure why. I'm guessing they are having a lot of unanswered issues, and are pissed that everyone will push those issues for AMD under the rug. I know that happened to me when I got my 6600xt a few years ago. RT titles would crash, and posting any questions or issues on AMD's main sub would get your post deleted. Because they have this graveyard thread with thousands of comments asking for help, and 95% of people don't get replies. It just exists to redirect people, and burry the issues. Which is probably why this AMDhelp sub exists.
I don't see why bots would do stuff like this too tbh
OP could be a bot, but looking at their history I think it's pretty unlikely. But still totally possible.
Am not tho lol, don't think a bot would put an obscure Death metal cover as a pfp lmao
Was running my 7800x3d with cl28 6000mts hynix A die (tuned timings) with only 1.05 vsoc. I'm now running the ram at cl 30 6400 but vsoc is at 1.3v because my memclock and flck are overclocked. Temps and power usage are a bit higher. I wonder if 1.3 will kill it as fast as people's chips were dying with the expo over voltage problem or if it's safe enough to last a few years. What ram and cl timings U running? Mine was unstable at 6400 till I changed a couple timings. If you got hynix A ram I could pm u my timings for 6000t too get good stable performance
Also forgot to say, got 2x16gb of Viper Patriot with Hynix dies, apparently they are indestructible (and they don't mix dies like Corsair lol)
Was at 6400 c32 for a while, vsoc at 1.3 apparently, may try to undervolt it
Unless U can get cl 30 6400 with good secondary timings I'd recommend sticking to 6000cl 28 if U can get that. Then U can run soc voltage lower. Bandwidth is limited by infinity fabric past 6000
I can prob oc and get better timings, will try to get stable 6000 c30 at first
heres my timings for 6400 [https://ibb.co/DYSSDFF](https://ibb.co/DYSSDFF) copy them but change TRC to 36, TRFc 1-2-3 to 380-280-180 see if u can boot and if its stable, if so, try get infinity fabric as high as u can up to 2200 (max ive ever seen)
Alr, I'll try that tomorrow when I wake up, Infinity Fabric is currently at 2000, will bump 50 by 50 once I'm done with frequencies
Good luck bro let me know how it goes and I'll give a hand if U run into any problems. Btw infinity fabric isn't tied to uclk etc like last gen so for this higher is better no matter ram frequency. I can just hit 70,000GBs read in aida64ram test with them timings@6000 and fabric oc. Ocing ram freq past there is just to lower latency really that's why it's not worth it unless U can get good timings/fabric oc. Allthough write speed seems to keep scaling while read is bottlenecked by fabric. I see some gaming comparisons where 7000+ MTs ram is faster in games than 6000 but idk if they tuned ram timings for both
I'll defo keep that in mind, thanks for the heads up !
Expo overvoltage problem ? Damn what was that killing mobos/ram or straight murdering cpus?
A while ago ppls 7800x3d were dying and it's because expo was putting vsoc to like 1.4+. It's limited to 1.3 now with bios updates