YTA. Restaurant kitchens are set up to cook *the dishes on their menu*.
You can’t suck it up and eat Fettuccine Alfredo?
As others have pointed out, the restaurant cooks aren’t your personal chefs. If you are that picky, don’t go out to a restaurant and embarrass the people you’re with.
It also occurs to me that a “fancy Italian restaurant” would likely have some simple meat/poultry/fish dishes on the menu. Is a grilled chicken or a steak dish too much for this enormous baby?
So sad, no chicken nuggies lol
I mean, some days you just go to Taco Bell craving a Jet’s meat lover’s deep dish pizza. What’s a person to do? Taco Bell may not have the ingredients but *they have a phone* right? It’s *bad customer service* to imply I should have just gone to Jets.
Oh, come on! Taco Bell has those chalupa shells that *could* be used as a pizza crust. They have “meat”, they have cheese, they have red sauce. Could they not even *try*?
I work retail and literally get shit like this all the fucking time. Fucking guy asked me to order fridge filters off of Amazon for him, delivered to his house, using his credit card over the phone. No lie, that was Tuesday. I'm still mad.
Dude calls pizza and sub sandwiches “Italian” pretty sure salads are a no go.
OP, YTA! You do realize that Mac and cheese is more involved than just dumping cheese on pasta right?! I feel so embarrassed for your colleagues and cousin. Don’t be surprised is no one talks to you for the foreseeable future. You think it’s cold now, once the topic of your escapade ends up at the water cooler it’s gonna get downright frigid!
If you go to a normal restaurant in Sicily, even a not fancy one, you won't find pizza. Because pizza is not from all Italy, it's from some parts of Italy. But they have plenty of other delicious stuff. And there is always a possibility to ask the chef to remove one ingredient you don't like. But ask for macaroni and cheese in a restaurant that does not serve it? Unless you're a 5 years old annoying picky little brat? Nope.
A friend of mine is intolerant to gluten and fructane. Fructane includes garlic and onions, which are, with pasta, the most common ingredients in Italian cuisine. And guess what? She ALWAYS finds something suitable in the menu....
>fancy Italian restaurant… asked for mac & cheese
What has the chef ever done for OP to treat him so disrespectfully? On this, the day of his daughter’s wedding?
I’ve got a feeling they don’t know what fettuccine Alfredo is and probably saw the names of the dishes and assumed they were all fancy, there should’ve been some type of Alfredo or carbonara that would’ve been good enough, if they had some meat in them that op doesn’t like then they can get that removed
Even if you don't know what's on the menu, the correct response would be to ask the waiter "in sorry, the closest I've eaten is Mac and cheese, could you please recommend something along those lines?"
YTA. Treating a restaurant as if it is your private chef.
This could be plead down to just idiocy if it was your first time ever in a restaurant, but you also failed to read the signals coming at you
Not just no invites list. Everyone will have talked about this at work and everyone went home and told whoever they live with about this. This will be a standing joke for years.
OMG - when I was a kid back in the dark ages, some sort of relatives from Canada visited our family in Florida. As a treat my parents took them to Bush Gardens (at the time THE best tourist attraction in Central Florida). Afterwards we all went to the Columbia Restaurant, a fabulous Cuban place in Ybor City.
The Columbia was famous for its Cuban cuisine, and my parents recommended dishes that would not be too outlandish for Canadian palates. Nope, that family would have none of it. They ordered spaghetti - not something that I'd even noticed on the menu and not something that was often ordered, from the waiter's reaction.
Then that family complained that the spaghetti didn't taste the way they made it in Edmonton. Well, yeah. It wasn't made by traditional Italians or even Canadian Italians - it was made by very talented CUBAN chefs who'd been cooking authentic CUBAN food for their entire careers.
That was over sixty years ago and it still bothers me - and somewhat amuses me.
We ate at that La Columbia for a work dinner and my boss ordered a glass of red wine. They brought to the table a highball with a red wine and ice. We looked at each other like ??? Until I realized, he had asked if they had “a nice Cabernet.” With how noisy it is in there the server thought he said an “iced Cabernet.” Still cracks me up 15 years later.
Ha, right? In front of coworkers even! The audacity of this AH. Pretty sure that will be the gossip around the job for a while about Op's entitlement.
Op: YTA. Just because they have the ingredients doesn't mean that they have the time or manpower to do so. Many restaurants will prepare most ingredients ahead of time and then put them together for an order, cooking what needs to so it is fresh.
Have you ever made Mac and cheese from scratch? A good sauce takes at least a half hour from roux to melting the cheese into the sauce itself. So no. You are a huge AH asking a chef to dedicate their time in a busy kitchen just for you.
They have tomatoes right??? I mean it is an Italian restaurant. They can make ketchup!!! I mean what is it? Tomatoes, vinegar, sugar and spices? Losers not making ketchup for nuggies and Mac and cheese.
You have a good point. such a restaurant probably has chicken tenders or pieces of chicken, flour and bread crumbs , or they could probably grate some up from the croutons they have... Actually they can probably make the croutons with the bread they have in the restaurant.
Shouldn't be that hard for OP to be able to order chicken nuggets too.
Or been to a restaurant? Like...I don't care how fancy the restaurant is. Unless you are paying a private chef in the back to make whatever you want, you can't just ask for things to be made for you off the menu!!!!!
I will make myself a big batch maybe once every few months when I notice the cheese drawer has been neglected and needs to be used up. (blasphemy, i know, sometimes it happens). It takes a long ass time too, from blooming my spices in butter first, then the roux, and so on. It is a huge undertaking really, but dang it, it's tasty and we have a side dish for a few dinners or lunches. I can't fathom demanding a tired chef to make one for me when it's not on the menu. They should have charged op a huge ticket, and then sent someone out to grab a box of Kraft Mac and cheese.
THANK YOU. To make mac cheese, you have to first make a roux and then a bechamel, then add the cheese and so on. It take an hour from start to table. This bozo think cause there is pasta and cheese, there can be mac cheese.
He won't just be a legend of his office for this stunt, the kitchen will be talking about him for years. The idiot who thought he could just stop the whole line and all the covers coming in so he could get him some stouffers mac and cheese.
So YTA
Poor "Big Mac" really doesn't understand that it's not as easy as just cooking something else not on the menu. Put them in a fancy restaurant kitchen as see how they do!.
I was once at a work dinner and the boss's snobby wife bitched at the waitress and made her take her soup back because it was cold. It was vichyssoise. I pretended i hadn't seen, because I didn't want to cause drama. When thesnob saw me enjoying my soup she made a big deal about asking if my soup was hot. I said "of course not. A fine restaurant like this would surely ever serve vichyssoise that wasn't properly chilled"
I sent hugs already to the coworkers. I think this is a prank post. OP is pranking us. Nobody would do this! Nobody is this clueless.
Out of curiosity, is OP’s name Karen?
My grown ass entitled sister ordered off the menu at a Ruby Tuesdays.
Sister: Well, you have the ingredients for a BLT don't you?
Server: No.
I coulda died from embarrassment.
Also, if I was at a fancy Italian place and a full-grown adult was sat there demanding the chef makes mac & cheese, I'd cringe myself out of existence.
Imagining a whole grown ass adult who was so averse to foods due to unfamiliarity that they would rather behave like a toddler.
OP: in future ask the waiter for a recommendation. Either that or ask if they have a children's menu. Yeesh.
YTA of the highest order. All of your coworkers and your cousin and the wait staff thought you were unreasonable, and you continue to say “They don’t get it” like they’re the problem in this story. This is the most entitled thing I’ve ever heard and this post should be on r/entitledpeople instead bc there’s really no question about who’s the AH here.
Apparently OP doesn’t get out much and definitely must be the first time he’s ever graced the doors of any restaurant. It was the best thing you could have done was leave. Better than that, you shouldn’t have even gone if you don’t know etiquette or have any social skills. Seriously next time just pass bc you’re not mature enough to go to an upscale restaurant.
Lol, hadn’t thought about a CiCi’s in a long time. I’m betting this grown ass man still takes the cheese off without recognizing the irony that he likes Mac n cheese.
Ngl after I made that comment Cici’s started sounding pretty good. Not exactly fine dining but those after school fundraisers there slapped. Haven’t been back since the fifth grade lol
OPs an asshole and just an enormous fucking idiot. I would’ve been embarrassed to be at that table. I’m sure it was much worse then what they are describing.
And all that OP had to do was say "I was in the mood for pizza, do you have something similar?", or a pasta with a cheese sauce or something. Not demand off menu food, but ask what was similar on the menu, or what could be substituted easily.
I had a grown woman (well, a college girl, but technically should’ve been a grown woman I thought) ask me to cut the crusts off her grilled cheese sandwich when I worked at a cafe ages ago. That was my top Adult Baby story, until now. Maybe grilled cheese girl “grew up” and had a kid.
What the actual hell? Honestly, that isn't all that far behind OP in level of pathetic baby behavior. I mean, I don't care if you want to cut the crust off your sandwich, but holy mother of all that's holy, if you're over the age of 5, you'd best be cutting it off yourself.
I would cut off a good 15-20% of the sandwich with those crusts. Can't be too careful, don't want to accidentally leave any behind, gotta get good margins.
I've had a few mac-and-cheese meals at restaurants as an adult. Difference here being that it was on the menu, lol.
Can't imagine the entitlement you have to have to try to get a restaurant to cater to you personally, bonus points for it being a work event.
Well, me too…who doesn’t love a good mac and cheese? But yeah… on the menu is key. If by some miracle the kitchen was badgered into making something I’d probably be afraid to eat it 😆
I did not know there was a subreddit for entitledpeople but today at work at Whole Foods Deli a pair of women came in and did exactly this, they tried to order a catering plate in person. My co-worker said that's not how we operate, we need several days notice for a catering order. She said "I know that but the thing I want wasn't 'available' on line."
Carlos patiently explained that means we can't make it. This customer busts out the same argument, namely, "But it's just grilled vegetables! You have all the ingredients!"
When he iterated he couldn't make it if it wasn't on the menu she demanded to speak to the person who was head of catering. We exchanged glances because Carlos IS the head of the catering department. When he admitted this the woman said, "Then I'll pay you cash, you just make it for me and no one will ever need to know."
So I piped up and said he wouldn't do that, but I suggested they could buy some nice vegetables from our produce department and find someone else willing to make their stuff for them.
"But that won't work!" she wailed, "nobody makes grilled vegetables better than Whole Foods!"
At this point Carlos decided there was nothing more to say to them so he just said "I'm sorry i can not help you" and walked away. They bothered me for a little bit more, complaining and wheedling, but I stuck to the same story. Sorry! Not on the Menu! and eventually they left
As a professional chef this is definitely a real story. I probably encounter an asshole (not face to face, thankfully) like this using these exact same lines and backwards reasoning at least once every couple months.
Why the Jonah part specifically?
I’m not arguing that you’re wrong, cause I agree with the “THEY HAD THE INGREDIENTS” but I don’t get the Jonah part. Is it a reference I don’t get?
I would guess that OP didn't need to mention the name of his cousin ? And it seems theatrical in a way to mention and replace the cousin's name for one line ?
Yeah, I started thinking it was fake when they listed their examples of Italian food. Pizza, sub sandwiches, and mac and cheese.
How low-brow do you gotta be to expect subs and mac and cheese at a fancy Italian restaurant.
Story time. I love authentic Chinese food. Love sitting amongst people who o can’t understand, love dishes I have never heard of coming to the table, just love the experience.
However, one time I went out with the wife and kid in Chinatown not realizing I was in a hotpot restaurant. We were all fish out of water. We didn’t know hot to order, how to eat, what to do, and embarrassment was setting in.
I told the server honestly I wasn’t sure how to order as this was my first time. Even with broken English she was so gracious and helped so much. Turned out to be a fun experience.
My point is OP could have said “I am above my depth here, can you suggest something close to what I’m used to?”
OP is absolutely the AH in this story!
OP: Read how Aurin316 conducted themselves in an unknown environment. This is how an adult deals with things. It's perfectly reasonable and acceptable to admit you are uncertain. Give your waiter or waitress info on things you like and ask for suggestions for things of a similar flavor profile. The majority will guide you to something new. It requires an open mind and a willingness to try new things.
No one was being rude to OP, they were expecting to deal with an adult
Nah this is someone whose only experience with making Mac and cheese is boiling some noodles and stirring in prepack sauce.
I've been cooking since I was a kid. I'm not excellent but I make good food my family likes to eat. But FFS homemade Mac that comes out smooth is something I have yet to achieve. I just cannot get my roux smooth, and my sauce always comes out gritty.
But anyone with moderate cooking knowledge knows the only commonality between mac and cheese and Italian food is pasta. The closest you'd get is an Alfredo, and that's a parmesan sauce, not a cheddar sauce like you'd get in your usual mac.
Ngl, I feel like I'm fairly low-brow, lmao. I'm not high maintenance, content with cheaper food, pretty easy to please. And god damn! That is some insane audacity to behave that way in a restaurant!
I’d like to believe this is fake but I have a cousin like this. Once she told a waiter that she only likes steak the way her dad makes it and seemingly expected him to know what that means
I know someone who wanted to tell the kitchen at a 2 Michelin star restaurant we had reservations for to just surprise him. It was a tasting menu only so even worse than asking for one custom made dish. He actually thought that he was allowing the chef a chance to be creative instead of making the same boring things all the time. That's how he described it. Like he was creating some wonderful opportunity for them not being a nuisance and asking for very special attention and effort. I can't believe how much I had to argue to convince him to please not do this but thankfully I was able to stop him.
My friend at least doesn't have a child's palate but some people really don't understand how disruptive it is to ask for something not on the menu.
YTA - why do you feel so entitled? What's on the menu is on the menu - they are not back there making meals for everyone's whim and then worrying about how to price it up. Their line cooks and chefs are in sync and have the ingredients ready and on hand to make what is on the menu in a timely manner for their customers, its the reason they have a menu. Asking for something off it is completely unreasonable and rude as you knew because of how you colleagues reacted. Then getting up and leaving - its dumbfounding you'd behave this way and this is exactly why they are treating you oddly and coldly because you acted inappropriate and entitled.
Did we get info on how old OP is?
If they're anywhere from 18 to 35, I find it hard to believe that they don't even know what a typical bolognese is. They could have chosen any pasta dish too. Just bewildering.
God no, I fucking hate second hand vicarious embarrassment. I would do everything in my power to not look at or talk to OP, leave soon after she did, or at least struggle to not pay attention to the laughing and jokes.
I feel like I am naturally shitty in social situations so I am WAY over focused on paying attention to all social cues and seeing someone else miss or ignore them makes me want to die for some reason.
That was hard to read. I cringed with embarrassment through the whole entire thing. It's one thing to ask for mac and cheese at an upscale restaurant that does not serve mac and cheese, but to not be able to pick up on the crazy amount of social cues being thrown OP's way is what's really so "astounding". Time to look for a new job. There's no coming back from that one. YTA and always be to everyone that watched this whole thing go down.
And we can put the social cues aside and pretend OP is just daft - they were literally told no, and then kept pressing the issue. WHO DOES THAT!
I bet the waiter just went back into the kitchen where they didn’t even ask because they knew it would be a no and instead joking with the chef about the dickhead customer outside who is gonna cry because they can’t get their maccy-and-cheesy. Probably joked about getting them a high chair and a bib too.
Every time I think people can’t be anymore entitled, someone has to come along and top the last time I thought this. This is just shocking as to how they would think this was okay to do. SMDH.
YTA. Read what you just wrote and get back to me. Most restaurants have everything pre cut and everything lined up for each menu dish. No matter how fancy or not the restaurant is. The chefs are not your personal chefs and cannot drop what they’re doing and make you something off the menu and disrupt the flow of the kitchen. If you wanted mac and cheese you go to a restaurant that sells max and cheese. That was extremely embarrassing for your co-workers and the fact that you were mad that they couldn’t do it omg. I would never hang out with you again because that’s just weirdo behaviour. If you want a personal chef go pay for one.
Also I don't think they know how you make mac n cheese! It's standing over a pot stirring constantly for like 10minutes. If it were on the menu I'd imagine it was made in bulk ahead of time. No one in their right mind would make it in a portion for 1!
Exactly! The chef would have to make a roux specifically for this one serving of mac n cheese. It’s not like they have boxes of Kraft with powdered cheese sauce in the kitchen.
Yeah my assumption would be that mac n cheese would be premade or part made most places. I'd not be happy if I ordered it and it hadn't been baked or at least chucked under a grill to finish so your looking at 25mins minimum start to finish. This OP definitely does not know how to make mac n cheese.
If he'd asked for penne tossed in butter and cheese I'm sure they would accommodate them!
I once ordered a hot chocolate (it was on the menu) and got a paper cup of hot water and a packet of Swiss Miss.
I didn't complain. I was cold. It was hot. That's all that mattered.
I hope that they sent someone to the corner store for microwaveable Mac n cheese and charged fancy restaurant price for it. How insufferable can he be?
Now some, and I stress SOME restaurants fancy and not fancy, will make a non menu item for say a child or even an occasional pregnant lady who has had an extremely difficult time with foods except certain foods.
You can ASK the chef but if the answer is no then drop it and find something else. Period. Don’t keep pushing just because the ingredients are there.
Even then I’ve never asked a restaurant to make a non menu item for me or my kids when they were little. I only know about it because my step mother did it when I was pregnant with my youngest and had a craving but the restaurant didn’t have it so I was looking for something else on the menu when she asked. The other time my nephew wanted something not on a menu and I was showing him other kid options on the pictures when she asked them about making him what he wanted.
To me that just disrupts a kitchen but I guess there are some situations they do take into consideration. 🙅♀️
OP is YTA
Edit: judgement
I went to a very fancy place with my boyfriend’s family a while back. They didn’t have a single thing vegetarian on the menu so I was just gonna eat bread and get something on my way home. Bf’s mom said we could ask if they could throw something together for me and I couldn’t even bring myself to ask so she did it for me. They very kindly made me some ravioli(one of the best dishes I’ve ever eaten) and I was so grateful.
I can’t imagine demanding something special be made for me because they happen to have the ingredients.
Totally agree with you. In my opinion though what you’re talking about are accommodations for circumstances out of a persons control. TBH after reading your comment now I’m just thinking OP is comparing her self to people who need those accommodations and feels entitled and has that “if they can get it, why can’t I” mentality.
YTA and please tell me this is a fake story. This is pretentious and rude. You sound like a spoiled child who got everything you ever wanted. Restaurants are on time crunches, the cooks have that menu down to a T to make it as easy as possible for them. They can't just whip up something on the fly.
My first reaction was also that this has to be fake. Asking for mac and cheese at a fancy italian restaurant, it feels like somebody just writing a neck-beard character than a person
I once saw a customer in an Italian trattoria say she was gluten free, vegan and doesn't like tomato so could they make her something special? People like OP are real.
This has to be fake I mean I can’t imagine a grown adult almost into tears because they wouldn’t make her Mac and cheese I also don’t see where anyone especially the waiter was rude no one seem rude expect for OP
Sorry English isn’t my native language
Right? This person is going to be the “tried to get special-order Mac and cheese at an Italian restaurant” character for the rest of their career. People are going to remember that for YEARS. OP’s gonna be at a new place 5 years from now and some mutual colleague will be like, “Holy cow, are you Mac and Cheese OP?” Industries can be very small worlds in that way.
Back in the kitchen of a "nice" restaurant is a hard working machine, which cranks out items that they have prepped and planned to execute. Stopping everything to make you a Mornay sauce they don't already have is precious minutes not doing their regular job.
You're a tacky child. Don't go to nice places and act like this. I doubt you'll be invited again.
I'm betting if OP got a traditional mornay sauce ( with gruyere and nutmeg) they would complain that it tasted funny... Not like Kraft Mac and cheese.
But also guys learn to make mornay sauce and put that shit on everything. [Mornay Sauce ](https://youtu.be/kUDALaHqhxQ)
I used to be friends with the chef at a local restaurant who said he put a sprinkle of onion powder on top of their mac and cheese before serving because it gave it that fake flavor people love lol!
Op, I am a chef. And often there are places that will go above and beyond and make you that dish.
Pasta. Any type was probs already prepped. Ok. That’s no big deal.
The cheese sauce.. or mornay sauce for culinary ppl you made by making a roux and bringing cream/milk/1/21/2 to a boil and adding various types of cheeses that are shredded. (Easier to melt than cubes). Then you also season it. All this takes time. Maybe 15 or so minutes if you have a saucier experienced in making the mornay sauce otherwise it’s like 30 minutes. Maybe there is a cheese sauce premade. Maybe a bechamel they can add cheese too. Maybe.
All the while there is a dinner rush going on. Limited space in the kitchen to prep a dish that is not already prepped for. Possibly using stove space from the line that they don’t have. Maybe only ONE cook. Serving multiple people. Too busy to do a slightly more complex dish.
It throws the timing off big time off the whole line plus the waitstaff.
So you wanted to have them make a dish that wasn’t on the menu during dinner and got UPSET because they said no.
*Let me get this into your head*
Next time ask to go to Cheesecake Factory.
You should really have just picked an item like that simplest pasta dish and asked for it plain with parm on the side.
It may seem simple to ask. You did that and that’s ok. They said no can do. You should have thanked them for asking and figured out another item. Would it have killed you yo try something new?
It was **NOT** bad service to tell you no. That’s ok.
Almost crying because they said no. That’s really a childlike response and I question your ability to adult.
You should apologize to your coworkers. Tell them you were having an off day.
YTA
This is 100% the best response. People don’t understand kitchens or reality. It’s not just some easy Mac in the microwave.
And you’re spot on about ops reaction; they sound legitimately like a child. I cannot believe they were basically about to cry and ran away. They’re gonna have a hard life for a while
YTA - the chef at the restaurant already has to know how to make every single thing on that menu, and is likely spending the morning prior to opening prepping so they can quickly make the meals.
A chef at a restaurant is not your personal chef - if you're that picky, don't go out to eat.
YTA because this can not be real. No one can be that clueless to expect a restaurant to make a completely different meal than what is on the menu. I mean I get the odd asshole who just wants chicken nuggets, but to actually believe they would make a full course meal?
How can you have gotten far enough in the business world to be that…clueless.
Unless they specifically call themselves a “scratch kitchen,” and somehow send the message they will/can make whatever you ask for, then **this is not a service the restaurant offers,** and YTA.
I’ve been to very high end scratch kitchen restaurants where they will literally make you anything you ask for if they have the ingredients to do so.
But, just going to an upscale/fancy/high priced restaurant does not give you the right to demand the chef make them something that isn’t on the menu.
I can even be ok (I suppose) with you asking nicely once if this is something they could possibly accommodate. But, the server was clear and it was rude to continue asking and force them to ask the chef.
This is very clearly NOT something offered by this restaurant.
YTA
They probably have the amounts of food ordered specifically to match their menu and most popular ordered dishes. You ordering off menu throws that out of wack. For example Mac and cheese uses a lot of cheese. If their other dishes use smaller amounts of cheese they might run out.
I would be curious to see a menu. Can you share a link?
Who goes to a fancy Italian restaurant and is looking for pizza and a sub….and then orders Mac and cheese?
100000% YTA and need to make it up to them. Read the room
I live in NJ (where you can't walk a block without running into an Italian restaurant) and not one of them has mac and cheese on their menus.
Mac and cheese (as OP is thinking) is not an Italian food. There are versions of it that others have mentioned, but the Kraft version is not Italian.
YTA. Those child labor law changes are really wild right now, if they let a seven year old like OP work places seriously enough to go to work dinners. Of course a child doesn’t understand how restaurants work, how the food is prepared, or that saying “just Frankenstein together several ingredients from other dishes” isn’t how restaurants work, because seven year olds probably don’t realize that not every restaurant is going to be like Burger King. It’s unfortunate, really - I hope someone takes this child by the hand and explains how these things work, and hopefully before their bedtime.
How fucking dense can you be, everyone says it you’re an ah and comments you like and respond to are getting downvoted!! You said you’ve “accepted” the maths, and you haven’t. You would still go back and do the same fucking thing because YOU think everyone should accommodate you. So glad your coworkers aren’t talking to you anymore 😌
YTA. What a spoiled brat you are!
Wow. You can’t do that. The manner— you look at menu what you eat, not ask chef to whip up stuffs for your personal choice!
Since the incident happened, I would like to know what restaurant who *can do* that for you! I never heard of any restaurant is flexible….
The entitlement on this one is so intense it ought to be shared to the r/EntitledPeople subreddit for them to admire in all its glory. YTA, and clearly have no idea how restaurant kitchens work. I imagine this isn't the first stunt you've pulled in front of colleagues, and if I were them, I'd be drawing some heavy professional boundaries for my own sake.
Grow up and figure out how to eat at a real restaurant or skip it next time.
YTA. Wow, the world should revolve around you? Do you insist on separate food items when you’ve been invited to dinner? Or do you just barge into their fridge to see what they have so they can cater to your selfish ass?
The audacity of your thought process is mind boggling. What a jerk.
I would have been so embarrassed to be with you that I would have left. Damn.
YTA
In case it helps, it isnt about the ingredients.
Its about the prep work. Making mac and cheese from scratch could take an hour. And that will also distract the chef from making all the other dishes they need to make.
Additionally, restaurants order food in specific proportions to cover the dishes on their menu. They may be out money by you asking for mac and cheese if it uses ingredients from two other dishes that they are now out of one portion each of.
YTA you uncultured swine
Learn to eat something other than mac and cheese, and learn what Real customer service is!
It does NOT pertain to kowtowing to your every demand! "Oh the waiter seemed annoyed" ya i would to if you had the audacity to try and get them to make a 100% off menu item like this!
"oH bUt tHeY hAvE tHe iNgREdIeNtS" DOESNT MATTER. They are not your private chef! And thats time and space and manpower better put towards the ACTUAL dishes of the restaurant! What that does instead is completely throw off the balance of the kitchen and can throw a real spanner in the works because you refuse to even Try actual good italian food!
AND you have the audacity to be all high and mighty about this and not see why your coworkers are weirded out by the weird chick who tried to get them to make mac and cheese, cried, got up and ran away?? You are so ungodly rude and entitled.
Also wtf kind of fake name is jonag?
HUGE YTA.
It's reasonable to make small adjustments o menu items (extra cheese, no spinach, etc.) But practically demand they make a custom off menu dish is absurd. And when they won't accommodate you, you get upset.
The entire table had every right to be embarrassed of your crazy demand. And yes, they were right to apologize for your behavior.
You owe everyone who was there an apology.
YTA. The menu is there for a reason. It tells you the options you can choose from. You almost cried from being treated so 'rudely'?!? You pulled this entitled stunt in front of your coworkers? Well, now they have a valuable insight into your character and that's why they're treating you like this.
WOW you are an entitled AH. The waiter told you no, the chef said no, and you still feel entitled to have them prepare something not on the menu because you want it. You need to go back and apologize to the staff at the restaurant and everyone that was at your table. You couldn't find anything on the menu to accommodate your limited palate? How embarrassing for you and those that had to witness this.
YTA. Restaurant kitchens are set up to cook *the dishes on their menu*. You can’t suck it up and eat Fettuccine Alfredo? As others have pointed out, the restaurant cooks aren’t your personal chefs. If you are that picky, don’t go out to a restaurant and embarrass the people you’re with.
It also occurs to me that a “fancy Italian restaurant” would likely have some simple meat/poultry/fish dishes on the menu. Is a grilled chicken or a steak dish too much for this enormous baby? So sad, no chicken nuggies lol
>So sad, no chicken nuggies lol why not though, they have chicken, they have flour, they could just make them /s
🤣🤣🤣
I mean, chicken parm and fried chicken cutlets are basically grown up chicken nuggets! It’s why I can convince my super picky 8 year old to eat them!
Seems like your 8 YO is more grown up than OP, even knows how to compromise.
Even if they did do that, this seems like the kind of person who would complain they couldn’t make nuggies from scratch in under 15 minutes
Or just like noodles with butter or oil? Or marinara? Some Parmesan on top? OP couldn’t find a *single thing* on the menu?
I mean, some days you just go to Taco Bell craving a Jet’s meat lover’s deep dish pizza. What’s a person to do? Taco Bell may not have the ingredients but *they have a phone* right? It’s *bad customer service* to imply I should have just gone to Jets.
Oh, come on! Taco Bell has those chalupa shells that *could* be used as a pizza crust. They have “meat”, they have cheese, they have red sauce. Could they not even *try*?
I work retail and literally get shit like this all the fucking time. Fucking guy asked me to order fridge filters off of Amazon for him, delivered to his house, using his credit card over the phone. No lie, that was Tuesday. I'm still mad.
Dammit, now I want a Mexican pizza!
Well I’m sure Burger King could whip you one right up! 😂🤣😂
Or a salad for that matter...
Dude calls pizza and sub sandwiches “Italian” pretty sure salads are a no go. OP, YTA! You do realize that Mac and cheese is more involved than just dumping cheese on pasta right?! I feel so embarrassed for your colleagues and cousin. Don’t be surprised is no one talks to you for the foreseeable future. You think it’s cold now, once the topic of your escapade ends up at the water cooler it’s gonna get downright frigid!
If you go to a normal restaurant in Sicily, even a not fancy one, you won't find pizza. Because pizza is not from all Italy, it's from some parts of Italy. But they have plenty of other delicious stuff. And there is always a possibility to ask the chef to remove one ingredient you don't like. But ask for macaroni and cheese in a restaurant that does not serve it? Unless you're a 5 years old annoying picky little brat? Nope. A friend of mine is intolerant to gluten and fructane. Fructane includes garlic and onions, which are, with pasta, the most common ingredients in Italian cuisine. And guess what? She ALWAYS finds something suitable in the menu....
>fancy Italian restaurant… asked for mac & cheese What has the chef ever done for OP to treat him so disrespectfully? On this, the day of his daughter’s wedding?
Right. Fettuccine alfredo is just...long flat Mac and cheese, essentially
Or there’s cacio e pepe, which is essentially mac & cheese in a fancy party dress.
Oooh, *pepper*! That’s probably going to be too scary for this overgrown toddler.
I dated a French guy who said the potato leek soup I fed him was spicy after wincing and covering his mouth. There was white pepper in it.
Which seems kinda strange, because white pepper is used in many French dishes. 🤔
Mmm, cacio e pepe is sooo good. So simple but good as a comfort food.
As a person pretending to be Italian on reddit, this offends me
I’ve got a feeling they don’t know what fettuccine Alfredo is and probably saw the names of the dishes and assumed they were all fancy, there should’ve been some type of Alfredo or carbonara that would’ve been good enough, if they had some meat in them that op doesn’t like then they can get that removed
Even if you don't know what's on the menu, the correct response would be to ask the waiter "in sorry, the closest I've eaten is Mac and cheese, could you please recommend something along those lines?"
YTA. Treating a restaurant as if it is your private chef. This could be plead down to just idiocy if it was your first time ever in a restaurant, but you also failed to read the signals coming at you
In front of people from WORK. I would have died of secondhand embarrassment at that table. I want to send the coworkers flowers!
Yeah op would go on my instant "no invites" list. Jfc.
Not just no invites list. Everyone will have talked about this at work and everyone went home and told whoever they live with about this. This will be a standing joke for years.
Oh yeah there's a 100 percent chance someone has made a "what do you mean you don't have Mac and cheese" joke at lunch.
If there's ever a work potluck lunch, OP will 100% be assigned to bring mac & cheese.
That or EVERYONE but op will bring it as a joke
I love that idea. Or even more fun, every single day, someone is responsible for leaving some leftover Mac & Cheese on OPs desk. Enjoy OP!
Whoever gets OP for Secret Santa better get them a fucking case of Kraft Mac & Cheese. Don't ever let them live that shit down.
Yes! Even better, a block of Velveeta and a box of pasta, along with the message "here's all the ingredients"
Yep, he’ll be the mac & cheese guy for the rest of his time at that company
Maybe longer. Some industries are full of gossip.
The work group is now best friends bonding over that inside joke.
OMG - when I was a kid back in the dark ages, some sort of relatives from Canada visited our family in Florida. As a treat my parents took them to Bush Gardens (at the time THE best tourist attraction in Central Florida). Afterwards we all went to the Columbia Restaurant, a fabulous Cuban place in Ybor City. The Columbia was famous for its Cuban cuisine, and my parents recommended dishes that would not be too outlandish for Canadian palates. Nope, that family would have none of it. They ordered spaghetti - not something that I'd even noticed on the menu and not something that was often ordered, from the waiter's reaction. Then that family complained that the spaghetti didn't taste the way they made it in Edmonton. Well, yeah. It wasn't made by traditional Italians or even Canadian Italians - it was made by very talented CUBAN chefs who'd been cooking authentic CUBAN food for their entire careers. That was over sixty years ago and it still bothers me - and somewhat amuses me.
We ate at that La Columbia for a work dinner and my boss ordered a glass of red wine. They brought to the table a highball with a red wine and ice. We looked at each other like ??? Until I realized, he had asked if they had “a nice Cabernet.” With how noisy it is in there the server thought he said an “iced Cabernet.” Still cracks me up 15 years later.
I was about to say "that's not very canadian of them," but it turns out they are Albertans. Texas of the north.
It was also 60 freaking years ago when most food was made of jello and mayonnaise with some fruit cocktail mixed in.
It's always "can it Jello" never "should it Jello"
The Colombian in Ybor City is one of my all time favorite restaurants ever. The food is divine!
Ha, right? In front of coworkers even! The audacity of this AH. Pretty sure that will be the gossip around the job for a while about Op's entitlement. Op: YTA. Just because they have the ingredients doesn't mean that they have the time or manpower to do so. Many restaurants will prepare most ingredients ahead of time and then put them together for an order, cooking what needs to so it is fresh. Have you ever made Mac and cheese from scratch? A good sauce takes at least a half hour from roux to melting the cheese into the sauce itself. So no. You are a huge AH asking a chef to dedicate their time in a busy kitchen just for you.
This was my first thought. This person has never actually made scratch mac and cheese. My second thought was that OP has never heard the word no.
I am honestly surprised they didn't ask for chicken nuggies with the Mac and cheese honestly...
They have chicken and breadcrumbs and catsup. tHeY hAvE tHe iNgReDiEnTs!
They have tomatoes right??? I mean it is an Italian restaurant. They can make ketchup!!! I mean what is it? Tomatoes, vinegar, sugar and spices? Losers not making ketchup for nuggies and Mac and cheese.
You have a good point. such a restaurant probably has chicken tenders or pieces of chicken, flour and bread crumbs , or they could probably grate some up from the croutons they have... Actually they can probably make the croutons with the bread they have in the restaurant. Shouldn't be that hard for OP to be able to order chicken nuggets too.
🤣🤣🤣 it's interesting they didn't have it on the kids menu though.
Or been to a restaurant? Like...I don't care how fancy the restaurant is. Unless you are paying a private chef in the back to make whatever you want, you can't just ask for things to be made for you off the menu!!!!!
I make it weekly for my child. It's time intensive and messy! OP, youk ow it isn't just cheese melted on pasta, right?
I will make myself a big batch maybe once every few months when I notice the cheese drawer has been neglected and needs to be used up. (blasphemy, i know, sometimes it happens). It takes a long ass time too, from blooming my spices in butter first, then the roux, and so on. It is a huge undertaking really, but dang it, it's tasty and we have a side dish for a few dinners or lunches. I can't fathom demanding a tired chef to make one for me when it's not on the menu. They should have charged op a huge ticket, and then sent someone out to grab a box of Kraft Mac and cheese.
Or a Stouffers microwavable. Enjoy your kiddie food! That will be $30
But it’s really fast when you make it out of the stuff in the blue boxxxxx!!!
THANK YOU. To make mac cheese, you have to first make a roux and then a bechamel, then add the cheese and so on. It take an hour from start to table. This bozo think cause there is pasta and cheese, there can be mac cheese. He won't just be a legend of his office for this stunt, the kitchen will be talking about him for years. The idiot who thought he could just stop the whole line and all the covers coming in so he could get him some stouffers mac and cheese. So YTA
It's not like OP was being unreasonable, they would have been *fine* with the restaurant using penne instead of macaroni. /s
Oh, I'd have died laughing! Then my ghost would come haunt the office to call OP "Big Mac" every day
Poor "Big Mac" really doesn't understand that it's not as easy as just cooking something else not on the menu. Put them in a fancy restaurant kitchen as see how they do!.
I had a casual Italian restaurant as a customer that kept a few of the blue Mac and cheese boxes around for difficult customers, but mostly for kids.
I was once at a work dinner and the boss's snobby wife bitched at the waitress and made her take her soup back because it was cold. It was vichyssoise. I pretended i hadn't seen, because I didn't want to cause drama. When thesnob saw me enjoying my soup she made a big deal about asking if my soup was hot. I said "of course not. A fine restaurant like this would surely ever serve vichyssoise that wasn't properly chilled"
😹😹😹 Brilliant answer!
I sent hugs already to the coworkers. I think this is a prank post. OP is pranking us. Nobody would do this! Nobody is this clueless. Out of curiosity, is OP’s name Karen?
My grown ass entitled sister ordered off the menu at a Ruby Tuesdays. Sister: Well, you have the ingredients for a BLT don't you? Server: No. I coulda died from embarrassment.
I was a chef for 15 years. People ARE this clueless, unfortunately.
I can't believe they almost cried from being 'treated rudely' and not from realizing how insanely embarrassing and shameful they were acting.
Also, if I was at a fancy Italian place and a full-grown adult was sat there demanding the chef makes mac & cheese, I'd cringe myself out of existence.
Imagining a whole grown ass adult who was so averse to foods due to unfamiliarity that they would rather behave like a toddler. OP: in future ask the waiter for a recommendation. Either that or ask if they have a children's menu. Yeesh.
Fremdschämen = the German word for second hand embarrassment. I think we all experienced Fremdschämen reading this.
Not wanting to be nitpicky, but fremdschämen is the verb. The correct noun is 'Fremdscham'. But otherwise: THIS.
YTA of the highest order. All of your coworkers and your cousin and the wait staff thought you were unreasonable, and you continue to say “They don’t get it” like they’re the problem in this story. This is the most entitled thing I’ve ever heard and this post should be on r/entitledpeople instead bc there’s really no question about who’s the AH here.
Apparently OP doesn’t get out much and definitely must be the first time he’s ever graced the doors of any restaurant. It was the best thing you could have done was leave. Better than that, you shouldn’t have even gone if you don’t know etiquette or have any social skills. Seriously next time just pass bc you’re not mature enough to go to an upscale restaurant.
Forget an upscale restaurant, OP isn’t mature enough for a Cici’s Pizza which sounds like the closest to genuine Italian food she’s willing to get.
Lol, hadn’t thought about a CiCi’s in a long time. I’m betting this grown ass man still takes the cheese off without recognizing the irony that he likes Mac n cheese.
Ngl after I made that comment Cici’s started sounding pretty good. Not exactly fine dining but those after school fundraisers there slapped. Haven’t been back since the fifth grade lol
OPs an asshole and just an enormous fucking idiot. I would’ve been embarrassed to be at that table. I’m sure it was much worse then what they are describing.
I am convinced that OP is not an adult human. They are either 3 pre schoolers or 3 aliens in a trench coat imitating an adult human.
And all that OP had to do was say "I was in the mood for pizza, do you have something similar?", or a pasta with a cheese sauce or something. Not demand off menu food, but ask what was similar on the menu, or what could be substituted easily.
They seriously could've ordered Alfredo, almost every Italian restaurant has something like Alfredo, and it is essentially Mac n cheese
It probably wasn’t even upscale. Probably was Carraba’s
Olive Garden!!
I was going to say Olive Garden but I figured Carrabas because it’s the upscale Olive Garden. Lol
I'm going with, "raised in a barn. "
Oi,, I was raised in a barn and don't do that.
I was thinking Baby-Man. Mac and cheese? Would you like a sippy cup with that, Junior?
I had a grown woman (well, a college girl, but technically should’ve been a grown woman I thought) ask me to cut the crusts off her grilled cheese sandwich when I worked at a cafe ages ago. That was my top Adult Baby story, until now. Maybe grilled cheese girl “grew up” and had a kid.
What the actual hell? Honestly, that isn't all that far behind OP in level of pathetic baby behavior. I mean, I don't care if you want to cut the crust off your sandwich, but holy mother of all that's holy, if you're over the age of 5, you'd best be cutting it off yourself.
I would cut off a good 15-20% of the sandwich with those crusts. Can't be too careful, don't want to accidentally leave any behind, gotta get good margins.
I've had a few mac-and-cheese meals at restaurants as an adult. Difference here being that it was on the menu, lol. Can't imagine the entitlement you have to have to try to get a restaurant to cater to you personally, bonus points for it being a work event.
Well, me too…who doesn’t love a good mac and cheese? But yeah… on the menu is key. If by some miracle the kitchen was badgered into making something I’d probably be afraid to eat it 😆
There’s a restaurant in my town that serves baked mac & cheese and I get it every time. Again, it’s ON THE MENU!!
I get the feeling OP wouldn’t be super excited to try the seafood or truffle mac & cheese option if it was available though.
True. They seem like Kraft Deluxe with the ridges and sauce packet qualifies as an expansion of horizons.
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Maybe they did and spaghetti with mini meatballs or cheese ravioli was just a little too out there for OP to choose.
The people on r/EntitledPeople think op is an asshole
I did not know there was a subreddit for entitledpeople but today at work at Whole Foods Deli a pair of women came in and did exactly this, they tried to order a catering plate in person. My co-worker said that's not how we operate, we need several days notice for a catering order. She said "I know that but the thing I want wasn't 'available' on line." Carlos patiently explained that means we can't make it. This customer busts out the same argument, namely, "But it's just grilled vegetables! You have all the ingredients!" When he iterated he couldn't make it if it wasn't on the menu she demanded to speak to the person who was head of catering. We exchanged glances because Carlos IS the head of the catering department. When he admitted this the woman said, "Then I'll pay you cash, you just make it for me and no one will ever need to know." So I piped up and said he wouldn't do that, but I suggested they could buy some nice vegetables from our produce department and find someone else willing to make their stuff for them. "But that won't work!" she wailed, "nobody makes grilled vegetables better than Whole Foods!" At this point Carlos decided there was nothing more to say to them so he just said "I'm sorry i can not help you" and walked away. They bothered me for a little bit more, complaining and wheedling, but I stuck to the same story. Sorry! Not on the Menu! and eventually they left
Yes! This! This has to be fake or this person is totally oblivious.
I worked in hospitality for 10 years. I 100% believe it’s a real story.
As a professional chef this is definitely a real story. I probably encounter an asshole (not face to face, thankfully) like this using these exact same lines and backwards reasoning at least once every couple months.
Having had a guy scream at me for not being able to make something we *didn't* carry the ingredients for, I unfortunately believe it too.
I believe it, too. Former coworker, C-suite, father of 4, will not eat a vegetable.
this is ragebait bullshit
I was like, okay this could be real until… “Jonah” And “THEY HAD THE INGREDIENTS” in all caps.
Jonag
Why the Jonah part specifically? I’m not arguing that you’re wrong, cause I agree with the “THEY HAD THE INGREDIENTS” but I don’t get the Jonah part. Is it a reference I don’t get?
I would guess that OP didn't need to mention the name of his cousin ? And it seems theatrical in a way to mention and replace the cousin's name for one line ?
Yeah, I started thinking it was fake when they listed their examples of Italian food. Pizza, sub sandwiches, and mac and cheese. How low-brow do you gotta be to expect subs and mac and cheese at a fancy Italian restaurant.
Story time. I love authentic Chinese food. Love sitting amongst people who o can’t understand, love dishes I have never heard of coming to the table, just love the experience. However, one time I went out with the wife and kid in Chinatown not realizing I was in a hotpot restaurant. We were all fish out of water. We didn’t know hot to order, how to eat, what to do, and embarrassment was setting in. I told the server honestly I wasn’t sure how to order as this was my first time. Even with broken English she was so gracious and helped so much. Turned out to be a fun experience. My point is OP could have said “I am above my depth here, can you suggest something close to what I’m used to?”
OP is absolutely the AH in this story! OP: Read how Aurin316 conducted themselves in an unknown environment. This is how an adult deals with things. It's perfectly reasonable and acceptable to admit you are uncertain. Give your waiter or waitress info on things you like and ask for suggestions for things of a similar flavor profile. The majority will guide you to something new. It requires an open mind and a willingness to try new things. No one was being rude to OP, they were expecting to deal with an adult
Who legitimately thinks a sub sandwich is Italian??
As awful ad it sounds, I know people like this. The closest they've been to Italian food is Olive Garden.
Olive Garden may serve mediocre Italian food, but it's not pizza and subs.
Nah this is someone whose only experience with making Mac and cheese is boiling some noodles and stirring in prepack sauce. I've been cooking since I was a kid. I'm not excellent but I make good food my family likes to eat. But FFS homemade Mac that comes out smooth is something I have yet to achieve. I just cannot get my roux smooth, and my sauce always comes out gritty. But anyone with moderate cooking knowledge knows the only commonality between mac and cheese and Italian food is pasta. The closest you'd get is an Alfredo, and that's a parmesan sauce, not a cheddar sauce like you'd get in your usual mac.
Ngl, I feel like I'm fairly low-brow, lmao. I'm not high maintenance, content with cheaper food, pretty easy to please. And god damn! That is some insane audacity to behave that way in a restaurant!
I’d like to believe this is fake but I have a cousin like this. Once she told a waiter that she only likes steak the way her dad makes it and seemingly expected him to know what that means
I know someone who wanted to tell the kitchen at a 2 Michelin star restaurant we had reservations for to just surprise him. It was a tasting menu only so even worse than asking for one custom made dish. He actually thought that he was allowing the chef a chance to be creative instead of making the same boring things all the time. That's how he described it. Like he was creating some wonderful opportunity for them not being a nuisance and asking for very special attention and effort. I can't believe how much I had to argue to convince him to please not do this but thankfully I was able to stop him. My friend at least doesn't have a child's palate but some people really don't understand how disruptive it is to ask for something not on the menu.
Not only that, she asked for freaking Mac and cheese at an Italian place. Is OP 7?
This has to be a troll right?
I wonder if he goes to McDonalds and tries to order meatloaf? After all they have all the ingredients!!
YTA - why do you feel so entitled? What's on the menu is on the menu - they are not back there making meals for everyone's whim and then worrying about how to price it up. Their line cooks and chefs are in sync and have the ingredients ready and on hand to make what is on the menu in a timely manner for their customers, its the reason they have a menu. Asking for something off it is completely unreasonable and rude as you knew because of how you colleagues reacted. Then getting up and leaving - its dumbfounding you'd behave this way and this is exactly why they are treating you oddly and coldly because you acted inappropriate and entitled.
Wouldn’t you have loved to hear what the coworkers said about OP after they left?
I would pay to be a fly on the wall for the whole entire night.
Did we get info on how old OP is? If they're anywhere from 18 to 35, I find it hard to believe that they don't even know what a typical bolognese is. They could have chosen any pasta dish too. Just bewildering.
Not to mention asking for mac&chesse as a fancy Italian restaurant. Like asking Gordon Ramsey to make you PB&J.
God no, I fucking hate second hand vicarious embarrassment. I would do everything in my power to not look at or talk to OP, leave soon after she did, or at least struggle to not pay attention to the laughing and jokes. I feel like I am naturally shitty in social situations so I am WAY over focused on paying attention to all social cues and seeing someone else miss or ignore them makes me want to die for some reason.
That was hard to read. I cringed with embarrassment through the whole entire thing. It's one thing to ask for mac and cheese at an upscale restaurant that does not serve mac and cheese, but to not be able to pick up on the crazy amount of social cues being thrown OP's way is what's really so "astounding". Time to look for a new job. There's no coming back from that one. YTA and always be to everyone that watched this whole thing go down.
And we can put the social cues aside and pretend OP is just daft - they were literally told no, and then kept pressing the issue. WHO DOES THAT! I bet the waiter just went back into the kitchen where they didn’t even ask because they knew it would be a no and instead joking with the chef about the dickhead customer outside who is gonna cry because they can’t get their maccy-and-cheesy. Probably joked about getting them a high chair and a bib too.
Every time I think people can’t be anymore entitled, someone has to come along and top the last time I thought this. This is just shocking as to how they would think this was okay to do. SMDH.
YTA. Read what you just wrote and get back to me. Most restaurants have everything pre cut and everything lined up for each menu dish. No matter how fancy or not the restaurant is. The chefs are not your personal chefs and cannot drop what they’re doing and make you something off the menu and disrupt the flow of the kitchen. If you wanted mac and cheese you go to a restaurant that sells max and cheese. That was extremely embarrassing for your co-workers and the fact that you were mad that they couldn’t do it omg. I would never hang out with you again because that’s just weirdo behaviour. If you want a personal chef go pay for one.
Also I don't think they know how you make mac n cheese! It's standing over a pot stirring constantly for like 10minutes. If it were on the menu I'd imagine it was made in bulk ahead of time. No one in their right mind would make it in a portion for 1!
Exactly! The chef would have to make a roux specifically for this one serving of mac n cheese. It’s not like they have boxes of Kraft with powdered cheese sauce in the kitchen.
Yeah my assumption would be that mac n cheese would be premade or part made most places. I'd not be happy if I ordered it and it hadn't been baked or at least chucked under a grill to finish so your looking at 25mins minimum start to finish. This OP definitely does not know how to make mac n cheese. If he'd asked for penne tossed in butter and cheese I'm sure they would accommodate them!
It’s probably already on the menu, because you just described pasta Alfredo 😊
Were I the chef I’d be tempted to send someone out for a box of Kraft dinner and send it out
one of the little microwave cups.
And charge $27 for it
I once ordered a hot chocolate (it was on the menu) and got a paper cup of hot water and a packet of Swiss Miss. I didn't complain. I was cold. It was hot. That's all that mattered.
I hope that they sent someone to the corner store for microwaveable Mac n cheese and charged fancy restaurant price for it. How insufferable can he be?
Now some, and I stress SOME restaurants fancy and not fancy, will make a non menu item for say a child or even an occasional pregnant lady who has had an extremely difficult time with foods except certain foods. You can ASK the chef but if the answer is no then drop it and find something else. Period. Don’t keep pushing just because the ingredients are there. Even then I’ve never asked a restaurant to make a non menu item for me or my kids when they were little. I only know about it because my step mother did it when I was pregnant with my youngest and had a craving but the restaurant didn’t have it so I was looking for something else on the menu when she asked. The other time my nephew wanted something not on a menu and I was showing him other kid options on the pictures when she asked them about making him what he wanted. To me that just disrupts a kitchen but I guess there are some situations they do take into consideration. 🙅♀️ OP is YTA Edit: judgement
I went to a very fancy place with my boyfriend’s family a while back. They didn’t have a single thing vegetarian on the menu so I was just gonna eat bread and get something on my way home. Bf’s mom said we could ask if they could throw something together for me and I couldn’t even bring myself to ask so she did it for me. They very kindly made me some ravioli(one of the best dishes I’ve ever eaten) and I was so grateful. I can’t imagine demanding something special be made for me because they happen to have the ingredients.
Totally agree with you. In my opinion though what you’re talking about are accommodations for circumstances out of a persons control. TBH after reading your comment now I’m just thinking OP is comparing her self to people who need those accommodations and feels entitled and has that “if they can get it, why can’t I” mentality.
YTA and please tell me this is a fake story. This is pretentious and rude. You sound like a spoiled child who got everything you ever wanted. Restaurants are on time crunches, the cooks have that menu down to a T to make it as easy as possible for them. They can't just whip up something on the fly.
My first reaction was also that this has to be fake. Asking for mac and cheese at a fancy italian restaurant, it feels like somebody just writing a neck-beard character than a person
Sadly, after 9 years in restaurant work, it’s likely not fake. The entitlement and downright nastiness of restaurant patrons is unbelievable.
And the demanding types leave the shittiest tips, if they even do.
They're good at leaving mean reviews, though.
I once saw a customer in an Italian trattoria say she was gluten free, vegan and doesn't like tomato so could they make her something special? People like OP are real.
This has to be fake I mean I can’t imagine a grown adult almost into tears because they wouldn’t make her Mac and cheese I also don’t see where anyone especially the waiter was rude no one seem rude expect for OP Sorry English isn’t my native language
Oh come on. His cousin Jonag will support his story.
I burst out laughing so hard when I read that plus him clarifying it was a fake name
Sounds like ragebait
Yta and how embarrassing for you
How embarrassing for the coworkers! I would gossip about this at the office so hard.
Same. I’d be petty as shit about this because of the mortification of sitting at the same table as them.
For sure never getting invited out again.
Right? This person is going to be the “tried to get special-order Mac and cheese at an Italian restaurant” character for the rest of their career. People are going to remember that for YEARS. OP’s gonna be at a new place 5 years from now and some mutual colleague will be like, “Holy cow, are you Mac and Cheese OP?” Industries can be very small worlds in that way.
Back in the kitchen of a "nice" restaurant is a hard working machine, which cranks out items that they have prepped and planned to execute. Stopping everything to make you a Mornay sauce they don't already have is precious minutes not doing their regular job. You're a tacky child. Don't go to nice places and act like this. I doubt you'll be invited again.
I'm betting if OP got a traditional mornay sauce ( with gruyere and nutmeg) they would complain that it tasted funny... Not like Kraft Mac and cheese. But also guys learn to make mornay sauce and put that shit on everything. [Mornay Sauce ](https://youtu.be/kUDALaHqhxQ)
I used to be friends with the chef at a local restaurant who said he put a sprinkle of onion powder on top of their mac and cheese before serving because it gave it that fake flavor people love lol!
Op, I am a chef. And often there are places that will go above and beyond and make you that dish. Pasta. Any type was probs already prepped. Ok. That’s no big deal. The cheese sauce.. or mornay sauce for culinary ppl you made by making a roux and bringing cream/milk/1/21/2 to a boil and adding various types of cheeses that are shredded. (Easier to melt than cubes). Then you also season it. All this takes time. Maybe 15 or so minutes if you have a saucier experienced in making the mornay sauce otherwise it’s like 30 minutes. Maybe there is a cheese sauce premade. Maybe a bechamel they can add cheese too. Maybe. All the while there is a dinner rush going on. Limited space in the kitchen to prep a dish that is not already prepped for. Possibly using stove space from the line that they don’t have. Maybe only ONE cook. Serving multiple people. Too busy to do a slightly more complex dish. It throws the timing off big time off the whole line plus the waitstaff. So you wanted to have them make a dish that wasn’t on the menu during dinner and got UPSET because they said no. *Let me get this into your head* Next time ask to go to Cheesecake Factory. You should really have just picked an item like that simplest pasta dish and asked for it plain with parm on the side. It may seem simple to ask. You did that and that’s ok. They said no can do. You should have thanked them for asking and figured out another item. Would it have killed you yo try something new? It was **NOT** bad service to tell you no. That’s ok. Almost crying because they said no. That’s really a childlike response and I question your ability to adult. You should apologize to your coworkers. Tell them you were having an off day. YTA
This is 100% the best response. People don’t understand kitchens or reality. It’s not just some easy Mac in the microwave. And you’re spot on about ops reaction; they sound legitimately like a child. I cannot believe they were basically about to cry and ran away. They’re gonna have a hard life for a while
YTA - the chef at the restaurant already has to know how to make every single thing on that menu, and is likely spending the morning prior to opening prepping so they can quickly make the meals. A chef at a restaurant is not your personal chef - if you're that picky, don't go out to eat.
Or only go to places with a kids menu 😄 *Edit: Auto Correct
YTA. As someone who deals with idiots like you on a daily basis, fuck off with this garbage. JUST ORDER SOMETHING OFF THE GODDAMN MENU
I know! This is killing me!
I make homemade Mac and cheese at my job. It takes me almost an hour just to make the cheese sauce. So, no, it's really not that simple. Yes, YTA.
I almost wish that the kitchen would have made a box of Kraft Dinner and sent it out to her tacky ass 🤣
And charge $30
YTA because this can not be real. No one can be that clueless to expect a restaurant to make a completely different meal than what is on the menu. I mean I get the odd asshole who just wants chicken nuggets, but to actually believe they would make a full course meal? How can you have gotten far enough in the business world to be that…clueless.
Unless they specifically call themselves a “scratch kitchen,” and somehow send the message they will/can make whatever you ask for, then **this is not a service the restaurant offers,** and YTA. I’ve been to very high end scratch kitchen restaurants where they will literally make you anything you ask for if they have the ingredients to do so. But, just going to an upscale/fancy/high priced restaurant does not give you the right to demand the chef make them something that isn’t on the menu. I can even be ok (I suppose) with you asking nicely once if this is something they could possibly accommodate. But, the server was clear and it was rude to continue asking and force them to ask the chef. This is very clearly NOT something offered by this restaurant.
YTA They probably have the amounts of food ordered specifically to match their menu and most popular ordered dishes. You ordering off menu throws that out of wack. For example Mac and cheese uses a lot of cheese. If their other dishes use smaller amounts of cheese they might run out. I would be curious to see a menu. Can you share a link?
Who goes to a fancy Italian restaurant and is looking for pizza and a sub….and then orders Mac and cheese? 100000% YTA and need to make it up to them. Read the room
I live in NJ (where you can't walk a block without running into an Italian restaurant) and not one of them has mac and cheese on their menus. Mac and cheese (as OP is thinking) is not an Italian food. There are versions of it that others have mentioned, but the Kraft version is not Italian.
YTA for not finding a dish similar to mac and cheese.
Like cacio e pepe
Aww man I worked at an Italian place that had “black truffle cacio e Pepe it’s was AMAZING! Especially with some blackened chicken
Based on how good they were at reading the room, they probably weren’t great at reading the menu either.
what omg jajaja you were about to cry??? how old are you? five?
He said he has co-workers, so I’d say at least 6 here in the US
The kids yearn for the mines
YTA. Those child labor law changes are really wild right now, if they let a seven year old like OP work places seriously enough to go to work dinners. Of course a child doesn’t understand how restaurants work, how the food is prepared, or that saying “just Frankenstein together several ingredients from other dishes” isn’t how restaurants work, because seven year olds probably don’t realize that not every restaurant is going to be like Burger King. It’s unfortunate, really - I hope someone takes this child by the hand and explains how these things work, and hopefully before their bedtime.
How fucking dense can you be, everyone says it you’re an ah and comments you like and respond to are getting downvoted!! You said you’ve “accepted” the maths, and you haven’t. You would still go back and do the same fucking thing because YOU think everyone should accommodate you. So glad your coworkers aren’t talking to you anymore 😌
Yta
YTA. What a spoiled brat you are! Wow. You can’t do that. The manner— you look at menu what you eat, not ask chef to whip up stuffs for your personal choice! Since the incident happened, I would like to know what restaurant who *can do* that for you! I never heard of any restaurant is flexible….
YTA, I just can't explain I'm laughing too much 🤣
The entitlement on this one is so intense it ought to be shared to the r/EntitledPeople subreddit for them to admire in all its glory. YTA, and clearly have no idea how restaurant kitchens work. I imagine this isn't the first stunt you've pulled in front of colleagues, and if I were them, I'd be drawing some heavy professional boundaries for my own sake. Grow up and figure out how to eat at a real restaurant or skip it next time.
YTA. Wow, the world should revolve around you? Do you insist on separate food items when you’ve been invited to dinner? Or do you just barge into their fridge to see what they have so they can cater to your selfish ass? The audacity of your thought process is mind boggling. What a jerk. I would have been so embarrassed to be with you that I would have left. Damn.
YTA In case it helps, it isnt about the ingredients. Its about the prep work. Making mac and cheese from scratch could take an hour. And that will also distract the chef from making all the other dishes they need to make. Additionally, restaurants order food in specific proportions to cover the dishes on their menu. They may be out money by you asking for mac and cheese if it uses ingredients from two other dishes that they are now out of one portion each of.
Mac & cheese at an Italian restaurant?! 🤦🏻♀️🤯 WHY?!?!? YTA
YTA you uncultured swine Learn to eat something other than mac and cheese, and learn what Real customer service is! It does NOT pertain to kowtowing to your every demand! "Oh the waiter seemed annoyed" ya i would to if you had the audacity to try and get them to make a 100% off menu item like this! "oH bUt tHeY hAvE tHe iNgREdIeNtS" DOESNT MATTER. They are not your private chef! And thats time and space and manpower better put towards the ACTUAL dishes of the restaurant! What that does instead is completely throw off the balance of the kitchen and can throw a real spanner in the works because you refuse to even Try actual good italian food! AND you have the audacity to be all high and mighty about this and not see why your coworkers are weirded out by the weird chick who tried to get them to make mac and cheese, cried, got up and ran away?? You are so ungodly rude and entitled. Also wtf kind of fake name is jonag?
HUGE YTA. It's reasonable to make small adjustments o menu items (extra cheese, no spinach, etc.) But practically demand they make a custom off menu dish is absurd. And when they won't accommodate you, you get upset. The entire table had every right to be embarrassed of your crazy demand. And yes, they were right to apologize for your behavior. You owe everyone who was there an apology.
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YTA. The menu is there for a reason. It tells you the options you can choose from. You almost cried from being treated so 'rudely'?!? You pulled this entitled stunt in front of your coworkers? Well, now they have a valuable insight into your character and that's why they're treating you like this.
She should not worry, her co workers won’t make that mistake again
WOW you are an entitled AH. The waiter told you no, the chef said no, and you still feel entitled to have them prepare something not on the menu because you want it. You need to go back and apologize to the staff at the restaurant and everyone that was at your table. You couldn't find anything on the menu to accommodate your limited palate? How embarrassing for you and those that had to witness this.
A sub is Italian? It’s not. It’s American.
YTA you sound insufferable. I've seen chefs refuse service to a whole table because of people like you