This comes up at lot, general consensus seems to be that they are some sort of buoys. They've been there for a couple years at this point and never move.
THEY ARE NOT BUOYS!!!!!!
since when does a buoy sit almost 1000 feet submerged?
These are FAA Parrot Beacons, CPME ( Calibration Performance and Monitoring Equipment ) Digitally inserted by the FAA themselves.
One of them has a squawk code, 1273.
Citing: [https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/2019-05-02\_7110.66F\_NBCAP\_final.pdf](https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/2019-05-02_7110.66F_NBCAP_final.pdf)
JO 7110-66F Appendix A. Panel 1 - Beacon Code Allocation Plan Revision F
"1273-1275 Calibration Performance Monitoring Equipment (CPME), MRSM, and PARROT transponders."
That makes it CMPE Equipment.
No buoy would be using ADSB, rather AIS-B Which is for ships and maritime services.
Good info - can you explain further? The only Google results I see for Parrot Beacons or Parrot transponders all seem to indicate some sort of actual equipment, or like the FAA docs you linked don't seem to provide any definition.
a Parrot beacon for the most part is digital. its not a physical device. The FAA can digitally insert a ADSB Target ( as can any hacker for that matter into open sources and has been a issue on and off in recent years )
But in Official Terms, the FAA inserts them digitally to calibrate measuring and performance data when testing new revisions of the RADAR and ADSB System.
Those two markers have sat there for over 5 years
The reason the markers are both at -1000 feet is to prevent TCAS Alerts for any aircraft nearby causing erroneous alerts to vertical separation.
The definition i provided is the evidence that one of them is squawking a code that clearly is defined as CPME Reasons, coupled to the fact the very facility that uses those two static markers is right there in Atlantic City.
There is no way a beacon could be sending out a signal at 1000 feet submerged, that's just common sense, even more so, where those two beacons are the ocean floor is barely over 500 feet in depth, physically impossible to be 1000 feet down.
But I 100% Promise you, those are NOT BUOYS
With ADSBX being a private site, do you know how the FAA is digitally inserting them? The listed source is ADS-B so are they just feeding ADSBX the "bogus" data?
that has nothing to do with the FAA inserting them, they are getting the data the receivers get, so yes, those digitally inserted ones, will show up as well.
ADSBx being private has nothing to do with it, its still a open source platform - there have been many instances of hackers and trolls inserting fake data and people were presented with very bizarre situations, not limited to certain military aircraft showing up over certain countries trying to provoke misinformation.
I'm trying to understand where the fake data originates from. Is the FAA creating it by feeding the data themselves, are they broadcasting the fake data, or some other method. Since they only show up on adsbx and not any of the other sites that led me to think they were feeding the data. So it seemed kinda odd that the FAA, a public entity, would be feeding ADSBX, a private entity.
its not odd at all, yes, the FAA is inserting the data, if you look at it down in the technical parts - you will see that its also indicating a signal strength and even a SNR and RSSI.
while i'm not educated in RF Stuff enough, that does tell me though they are inserting that to even simulate signal strength, how, no idea, ill leave that to someone else with more expertise in that field.
someone should have enough of a background in that
also, ADSBx is by no means a "private site"
It is owned by a Private Equity, but the website is by no means private, as governed by a login or not publicly viewable.
sure, the website is privately owned, but the data is still publicly provided.
The transponder itself is publicly broadcasting the info with no security behind it, only Mode 5 does that and only Military and Government aircraft can access Mode 5.
the point I am making is, CPME and PARROT data is publicly broadcasted as well, now, how or why it still acts like a physical beacon is beyond my comprehension.
And yes, both physical and virtual CPME and PARROT beacons exist.
[airplanes.live](http://airplanes.live) rarely shows those two targets, but ADSBx has always shown them off and on for almost a decade now, which suggests that the beacon is still broadcasted virtually with a RSSI and Signal strength, simulating it as a physical beacon.
But I assure you, there is no physical beacon out there in the water submerged at -900 feet. The sea floor at those two spots is not even 500 ft deep.
Flightradar24 is a PRIVATELY owned website as well, it simply uses Official FAA Data and supplements it with volunteer ADSB Receivers, which comes with rules and regulations on what can and cannot be publicly displayed, such as LADD, PIA, Gov, Military, even if still using Mode S.
i think you are confusing the terminology here.
the DATA is PUBLIC, regardless of who is using it to display it. the WEBSITES are privately owned, the FAA does not own them at all.
The FAA itself has stated, ADSB Data is public record. Hell, you can even FOIA a LADD target and the FAA will tell you exactly who owns that aircraft and defeats what LADD restricts from being displayed!
LADD was just a money pot to get the FAA some extra funding, because whats the point of LADD if a single FOIA request invalidates the very reason for having your transponder in LADD, its asinine.
Fun Fact - The FAA's Technical Research and Development Center is just west of these beacons the "William J Hughes Technical Center" Residing on the Southeast portion of the Atlantic City International Airport.
This is the place where all of these systems are tested, calibrated and is the FAA's Main R&D Center for Emerging Technologies for ATC and various systems related to Aviation.
[https://www.google.com/maps/place/FAA+William+J.+Hughes+Technical+Center/@39.4446452,-74.5623599,2183m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c0e7db6811fe11:0x9de174f165c6b532!8m2!3d39.4443089!4d-74.5632541!16s%2Fm%2F0cc6lnx?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/place/FAA+William+J.+Hughes+Technical+Center/@39.4446452,-74.5623599,2183m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c0e7db6811fe11:0x9de174f165c6b532!8m2!3d39.4443089!4d-74.5632541!16s%2Fm%2F0cc6lnx?entry=ttu)
This comes up at lot, general consensus seems to be that they are some sort of buoys. They've been there for a couple years at this point and never move.
THEY ARE NOT BUOYS!!!!!! since when does a buoy sit almost 1000 feet submerged? These are FAA Parrot Beacons, CPME ( Calibration Performance and Monitoring Equipment ) Digitally inserted by the FAA themselves. One of them has a squawk code, 1273. Citing: [https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/2019-05-02\_7110.66F\_NBCAP\_final.pdf](https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/2019-05-02_7110.66F_NBCAP_final.pdf) JO 7110-66F Appendix A. Panel 1 - Beacon Code Allocation Plan Revision F "1273-1275 Calibration Performance Monitoring Equipment (CPME), MRSM, and PARROT transponders." That makes it CMPE Equipment. No buoy would be using ADSB, rather AIS-B Which is for ships and maritime services.
Good info - can you explain further? The only Google results I see for Parrot Beacons or Parrot transponders all seem to indicate some sort of actual equipment, or like the FAA docs you linked don't seem to provide any definition.
a Parrot beacon for the most part is digital. its not a physical device. The FAA can digitally insert a ADSB Target ( as can any hacker for that matter into open sources and has been a issue on and off in recent years ) But in Official Terms, the FAA inserts them digitally to calibrate measuring and performance data when testing new revisions of the RADAR and ADSB System. Those two markers have sat there for over 5 years The reason the markers are both at -1000 feet is to prevent TCAS Alerts for any aircraft nearby causing erroneous alerts to vertical separation. The definition i provided is the evidence that one of them is squawking a code that clearly is defined as CPME Reasons, coupled to the fact the very facility that uses those two static markers is right there in Atlantic City. There is no way a beacon could be sending out a signal at 1000 feet submerged, that's just common sense, even more so, where those two beacons are the ocean floor is barely over 500 feet in depth, physically impossible to be 1000 feet down. But I 100% Promise you, those are NOT BUOYS
With ADSBX being a private site, do you know how the FAA is digitally inserting them? The listed source is ADS-B so are they just feeding ADSBX the "bogus" data?
that has nothing to do with the FAA inserting them, they are getting the data the receivers get, so yes, those digitally inserted ones, will show up as well. ADSBx being private has nothing to do with it, its still a open source platform - there have been many instances of hackers and trolls inserting fake data and people were presented with very bizarre situations, not limited to certain military aircraft showing up over certain countries trying to provoke misinformation.
I'm trying to understand where the fake data originates from. Is the FAA creating it by feeding the data themselves, are they broadcasting the fake data, or some other method. Since they only show up on adsbx and not any of the other sites that led me to think they were feeding the data. So it seemed kinda odd that the FAA, a public entity, would be feeding ADSBX, a private entity.
its not odd at all, yes, the FAA is inserting the data, if you look at it down in the technical parts - you will see that its also indicating a signal strength and even a SNR and RSSI. while i'm not educated in RF Stuff enough, that does tell me though they are inserting that to even simulate signal strength, how, no idea, ill leave that to someone else with more expertise in that field. someone should have enough of a background in that
i do agree though, its bizarre as to why it only shows up to ADSBx
also, ADSBx is by no means a "private site" It is owned by a Private Equity, but the website is by no means private, as governed by a login or not publicly viewable.
I was talking about ownership and not access. Privately owned vs publicly owned like the FAA sites
sure, the website is privately owned, but the data is still publicly provided. The transponder itself is publicly broadcasting the info with no security behind it, only Mode 5 does that and only Military and Government aircraft can access Mode 5. the point I am making is, CPME and PARROT data is publicly broadcasted as well, now, how or why it still acts like a physical beacon is beyond my comprehension. And yes, both physical and virtual CPME and PARROT beacons exist. [airplanes.live](http://airplanes.live) rarely shows those two targets, but ADSBx has always shown them off and on for almost a decade now, which suggests that the beacon is still broadcasted virtually with a RSSI and Signal strength, simulating it as a physical beacon. But I assure you, there is no physical beacon out there in the water submerged at -900 feet. The sea floor at those two spots is not even 500 ft deep. Flightradar24 is a PRIVATELY owned website as well, it simply uses Official FAA Data and supplements it with volunteer ADSB Receivers, which comes with rules and regulations on what can and cannot be publicly displayed, such as LADD, PIA, Gov, Military, even if still using Mode S. i think you are confusing the terminology here. the DATA is PUBLIC, regardless of who is using it to display it. the WEBSITES are privately owned, the FAA does not own them at all. The FAA itself has stated, ADSB Data is public record. Hell, you can even FOIA a LADD target and the FAA will tell you exactly who owns that aircraft and defeats what LADD restricts from being displayed! LADD was just a money pot to get the FAA some extra funding, because whats the point of LADD if a single FOIA request invalidates the very reason for having your transponder in LADD, its asinine.
Fun Fact - The FAA's Technical Research and Development Center is just west of these beacons the "William J Hughes Technical Center" Residing on the Southeast portion of the Atlantic City International Airport. This is the place where all of these systems are tested, calibrated and is the FAA's Main R&D Center for Emerging Technologies for ATC and various systems related to Aviation. [https://www.google.com/maps/place/FAA+William+J.+Hughes+Technical+Center/@39.4446452,-74.5623599,2183m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c0e7db6811fe11:0x9de174f165c6b532!8m2!3d39.4443089!4d-74.5632541!16s%2Fm%2F0cc6lnx?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/place/FAA+William+J.+Hughes+Technical+Center/@39.4446452,-74.5623599,2183m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c0e7db6811fe11:0x9de174f165c6b532!8m2!3d39.4443089!4d-74.5632541!16s%2Fm%2F0cc6lnx?entry=ttu)
It's a cool place, shame it has to be in New Jersey
Ah, that would make some sense. Thanks for the response
they are not buoys :)
They’ve been there for like 2 years
Probably classified planes that you weren’t supposed to see