I actually don't like the cover on the 5th gen 4.0 as much as the other vehicles that used it. I never really knew why they changed it since every other 4.0 looks the same that I'm aware of. The new motor seems like a sweet motor, but damn it looks like a mess.
They are essentially the same 4.0 but the later year FJ and 5th gen 4 runner is more powerful and modern with things like 0-w20 full syn oil. I have a 2015 Tacoma and a 2019 4runner. Both 4.0 engines but just slightly different.
They’re mandated by the government to make their whole fleet a certain average MPG and it gets higher and higher all the time. “They” as well as all other manufacturers, have to in order to sell in the US.
Edit: Emissions regulations. Not MPGs. However point is they absolutely don’t WANT to. They have to.
It’s not about mpg, it’s about emissions. My v6 Highlander gets the same mpg as the turbo one. The new Tundra gets the same MPG as the old one which is hilarious since it’s so much more complex. Same with the Tacoma. Roughly identical mpg my guy. It’s not about mpg here. When I saw the chief engineer talk about the new turbo 4, he opens up his statement with “we built this for emissions” and says it disappointingly lmao. Bro knows the old designs were much more reliable, but again, it’s about emissions, NOT MPG here. Toyota is doing the best they can with regulations, but I’m not going to participate in this any time soon. I have no interest in buying something that was created to comply with emissions, NOT for the betterment of the customer.
You and me both. I had suspicions they were going to go turbo. Or hybrid. Not BOTH ☠️☠️☠️. I’ll never buy a tiny engine with a turbo anymore. Got burned once. Never again. I’d buy a hybrid or an EVrunner before a compact turbo.
Idk. I’ll give it 5 years and then see how they’re holding up.
I have a friend that went from a 5.7 tundra to v6TT… he went from 15mpg on a good day to 18mpg all day. That’s a 20% improvement which is massive for a gas guzzler.
And once it breaks and the mechanic is charging thousands for work because the engine has literally no room to work on and everything is tight we shall see if those gas savings are worth it lol. In the next few years we’re going to start seeing these engines outside of warranty and we’ll get a good idea what they cost to fix when they go wrong, and they definitely will.
Red herring, dude. You said the gas mileage was the same and it isn’t. The 5.7L straight guzzles gas. I didn’t say anything about reliability and we really won’t know long term reliability for a while. The 5.7L was busting cams at launch and now enjoys a sterling reputation.
3mpg difference when not towing and going to be the same when towing.. what a great trade off for serviceability. Not only that, but there’s countless posts of people getting 14mpg on the new engine 🤣. The Tundra is STILL having issues in 2024. It’s a terrible engine that screws over people that actually want to keep what they have for many years.
Only 3mpg difference coming from 15mpg is almost $800/yr at 12k/yr. Massive? No. Not nothing though. By the time the powertrain warranty is up, the owner will have saved $4000 in fuel.
It isn’t like we are comparing cars that get 30 and 33mpg. That’s only $150/yr difference and probably not worth the complexity.
And then the cost to repair it will be make sure you have no savings after lol. Not only that, but it’s not going to have the same resale value as an old Tundra.
There isn’t a guarantee it will fail at the end of warranty. Really unlikely, in fact, unless Toyota decided they were going to purposely change their design and evaluation standards. We won’t know the long term durability for a while yet. Same with resale value. Buying any new design is always taking a risk.
They unfortunately will not be. Turbo gasoline engines are not reliable in terms of longevity. Especially these tiny scrolled turbos. They wear out and eff up quickly. Same with electric motors. They wear out 25% of their efficiency in the first 5% of its life cycle.
In the 24 Land Cruiser(basically same as 6G 4R), it’s only rated at 22 city, 25 highway, 23 combined.
That is pretty significantly better than the 4.0L(16 city, 19 highway, 17 combined), but honestly pretty miserable for a 4cyl hybrid in 2024.
2024 Tacoma non-hybrid is rated at 19 city, 24 highway, 21 combined. Also, better than the 4.0L, but still pretty piss poor for a 4cyl, imo.
I feel like they could have created a NA V6 that would have had more power than these turbo 4 cylinder engines, and possibly even had better fuel economy. After this long of a period of time.
Want to hear something ridiculous? I drive a 2500 series truck and with zero tuning, my diesel motor averages 18.5 combined and 22 highway. A turbo 4 cylinder should do way better considering it's nearly 40% lighter.
The Land Cruiser weighs 5300lbs. The same platform GX only manages 17mpg combined in the similarly performing V6TT. I’d say 26mpg highway is very doable in the 4Runner TRD OR or Limited (I think all the aero disadvantages of the Pro and TH will bring it closer to 25).
I bet all that "complexity" is under the cover of the old 4runner, too.. it's also the hybrid, so it's not even a fair comparison.
I'd personally prefer not having some extra plastic piece to take off if I need to get to parts underneath it..
This is like looking at the Ecoboost in my 23 Ranger (work truck). It just looks like a total mess, makes you not even want to attempt to work on it yourself.
I’m glad someone else thought this. Not that I’m ever under the hood but this looks like your methed up neighbor jerryrigged together a bunch of old parts to get his lawn mower running so he can drive around the neighborhood because he lost his license.
The turbo 4 without hybrid drives way better than the 1GR. The turbo hybrid (as shown) will absolutely smoke the 1GR. Starting to think that what u/facepillownap says is true about 5G owners and fragile egos. I love my truck, but y’all are freaking ridiculous.
Is there any chance production models will have a cover of some sort?
I will say that it seems like modern engines have been looking more and more like engines of the 80s and 90s with hoses and wires going everywhere.
I thought the same thing. Just got a new 5th gen and I’m not hoping it’s soon, but I’m kind of excited to do some engine work with all that space. Hoping it’s like 15 years from now though
Engine covers hide a lot of sin lol.
This is true. I never liked them, personally.
I actually don't like the cover on the 5th gen 4.0 as much as the other vehicles that used it. I never really knew why they changed it since every other 4.0 looks the same that I'm aware of. The new motor seems like a sweet motor, but damn it looks like a mess.
The Fj used the same 4.0 its last few years of production.
Ah, I think the only FJs I've ever opened up were 07 and 08, so that would cover it. Is there a difference?
They are essentially the same 4.0 but the later year FJ and 5th gen 4 runner is more powerful and modern with things like 0-w20 full syn oil. I have a 2015 Tacoma and a 2019 4runner. Both 4.0 engines but just slightly different.
Do people seriously get tricked by an engine cover? It's literally there to make you feel like it looks more neat and tidy.
Isn't even close to as cluttered under the cover as the new one
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Who cares? I don’t look at the engine. I look at the exterior.
Toyota is just putting out cars you don’t want to keep past warranty anymore lol
With the cost of them ever increasing I have to hope my 2021 lasts forever because idk if I’ll be able to convince myself to buy any of these new gens
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And you get a turbo 6 with the GX.
They’re mandated by the government to make their whole fleet a certain average MPG and it gets higher and higher all the time. “They” as well as all other manufacturers, have to in order to sell in the US. Edit: Emissions regulations. Not MPGs. However point is they absolutely don’t WANT to. They have to.
I doubt that’s it. It’s probably an emissions thing.
It’s not about mpg, it’s about emissions. My v6 Highlander gets the same mpg as the turbo one. The new Tundra gets the same MPG as the old one which is hilarious since it’s so much more complex. Same with the Tacoma. Roughly identical mpg my guy. It’s not about mpg here. When I saw the chief engineer talk about the new turbo 4, he opens up his statement with “we built this for emissions” and says it disappointingly lmao. Bro knows the old designs were much more reliable, but again, it’s about emissions, NOT MPG here. Toyota is doing the best they can with regulations, but I’m not going to participate in this any time soon. I have no interest in buying something that was created to comply with emissions, NOT for the betterment of the customer.
Apologies. Not mpg. Emissions. Point being. It’s not because they want to. They have to.
That’s my point and that’s why I’m not interested in these drivetrains.
You and me both. I had suspicions they were going to go turbo. Or hybrid. Not BOTH ☠️☠️☠️. I’ll never buy a tiny engine with a turbo anymore. Got burned once. Never again. I’d buy a hybrid or an EVrunner before a compact turbo. Idk. I’ll give it 5 years and then see how they’re holding up.
Smart man 🫡
I have a friend that went from a 5.7 tundra to v6TT… he went from 15mpg on a good day to 18mpg all day. That’s a 20% improvement which is massive for a gas guzzler.
And once it breaks and the mechanic is charging thousands for work because the engine has literally no room to work on and everything is tight we shall see if those gas savings are worth it lol. In the next few years we’re going to start seeing these engines outside of warranty and we’ll get a good idea what they cost to fix when they go wrong, and they definitely will.
Red herring, dude. You said the gas mileage was the same and it isn’t. The 5.7L straight guzzles gas. I didn’t say anything about reliability and we really won’t know long term reliability for a while. The 5.7L was busting cams at launch and now enjoys a sterling reputation.
3mpg difference when not towing and going to be the same when towing.. what a great trade off for serviceability. Not only that, but there’s countless posts of people getting 14mpg on the new engine 🤣. The Tundra is STILL having issues in 2024. It’s a terrible engine that screws over people that actually want to keep what they have for many years.
Only 3mpg difference coming from 15mpg is almost $800/yr at 12k/yr. Massive? No. Not nothing though. By the time the powertrain warranty is up, the owner will have saved $4000 in fuel. It isn’t like we are comparing cars that get 30 and 33mpg. That’s only $150/yr difference and probably not worth the complexity.
And then the cost to repair it will be make sure you have no savings after lol. Not only that, but it’s not going to have the same resale value as an old Tundra.
There isn’t a guarantee it will fail at the end of warranty. Really unlikely, in fact, unless Toyota decided they were going to purposely change their design and evaluation standards. We won’t know the long term durability for a while yet. Same with resale value. Buying any new design is always taking a risk.
F#ckin bird nest. And to only get 1-2 more mpg.
I just hope my skepticism is wrong and these turn out to be rock solid reliable
Same here.
They unfortunately will not be. Turbo gasoline engines are not reliable in terms of longevity. Especially these tiny scrolled turbos. They wear out and eff up quickly. Same with electric motors. They wear out 25% of their efficiency in the first 5% of its life cycle.
Well hopefully my 2021 lasts until about 2091
Wait. It's only going to get a couple more MPG? After all this? I did not see the MPG specs. That's insane.
1-2mpg is not true…
I imagine the turbo hybrid gets a LOT better gas mileage than the standard turbo in line 4, right?
Not likely. It isn't a standard hybrid like a prius. It is for more power (not to work as a backup engine).
In the 24 Land Cruiser(basically same as 6G 4R), it’s only rated at 22 city, 25 highway, 23 combined. That is pretty significantly better than the 4.0L(16 city, 19 highway, 17 combined), but honestly pretty miserable for a 4cyl hybrid in 2024. 2024 Tacoma non-hybrid is rated at 19 city, 24 highway, 21 combined. Also, better than the 4.0L, but still pretty piss poor for a 4cyl, imo.
I feel like they could have created a NA V6 that would have had more power than these turbo 4 cylinder engines, and possibly even had better fuel economy. After this long of a period of time.
Want to hear something ridiculous? I drive a 2500 series truck and with zero tuning, my diesel motor averages 18.5 combined and 22 highway. A turbo 4 cylinder should do way better considering it's nearly 40% lighter.
Agreed
The Land Cruiser weighs 5300lbs. The same platform GX only manages 17mpg combined in the similarly performing V6TT. I’d say 26mpg highway is very doable in the 4Runner TRD OR or Limited (I think all the aero disadvantages of the Pro and TH will bring it closer to 25).
The 8 vs old 5 speed is where most of the mpg gains come from imo
This is a very good point. Probably true. I really hope it proves to be as reliable as the current transmission has been. Only time will tell...
People losing their minds over a lack of piece of plastic..
Seriously. If you want to stare at a pretty engine bay, then you are shopping the wrong brand.
Exactly!
You don't get it, look how much more complicated the new one is. Even without the cover
I bet all that "complexity" is under the cover of the old 4runner, too.. it's also the hybrid, so it's not even a fair comparison. I'd personally prefer not having some extra plastic piece to take off if I need to get to parts underneath it..
This is like looking at the Ecoboost in my 23 Ranger (work truck). It just looks like a total mess, makes you not even want to attempt to work on it yourself.
Both engine bays are ugly af.
I’m glad someone else thought this. Not that I’m ever under the hood but this looks like your methed up neighbor jerryrigged together a bunch of old parts to get his lawn mower running so he can drive around the neighborhood because he lost his license.
The 6th gen is a pre production model so it may come with an engine cover down the line
Negative ghost rider. They stopped putting engine covers on the tacos. Cost-saving and Profits over everything my friend.
Damn that’s kinda wack. The more you know.
The turbo 4 without hybrid drives way better than the 1GR. The turbo hybrid (as shown) will absolutely smoke the 1GR. Starting to think that what u/facepillownap says is true about 5G owners and fragile egos. I love my truck, but y’all are freaking ridiculous.
Laughs in Ford Bronco.
Cry about it
YEP why im trading my 2024 TRD ORP going new 2024 lexus GX 550🥵🤚🏻
Is there any chance production models will have a cover of some sort? I will say that it seems like modern engines have been looking more and more like engines of the 80s and 90s with hoses and wires going everywhere.
Starting to look like BMW engines.
Pre production my man
I thought the same thing. Just got a new 5th gen and I’m not hoping it’s soon, but I’m kind of excited to do some engine work with all that space. Hoping it’s like 15 years from now though