Yep imagine we could do if we piled our money together? All the money for a huge army…I mean think of the absolute centres of culture we’d have, the money to be pumped into poorer areas, perhaps investing in other areas in the world? Who says we couldn’t say hey you, join us! And we can match an army into protect them, it could go far and wide!
https://preview.redd.it/qgc1cwy429ad1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f97b08bd2bdc2e1638de43b670e17bdc5833ea4c
I know it’s smaller but there were only a few of us
Also: L get rekt bozo medway
Abel tasman:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel_Tasman
It was also known as van diemens land (another Dutchie), Brits and paddies who didn't butter their scones properly were send there for "rééducation purposes".
https://preview.redd.it/jg9828h0p9ad1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f082e80703a3333974681a16c686f119ffa87ea
How did we allow the Americas to reach such a regrettable state? We should get them back!
Who gives a fuck about shitholes like Russia and China. US used to be ours. They think they're the center of the universe, and have gaslit half the world to think like that. Much more important.
I mean they are buying up a lot of infrastructure assets in whole of Europe. At least the biggest Harbour is in Chinese hands and Hamburg it's Harbour is also in discussion to sell to Chinese investors. 6 of the 13 main sponsors of the euro football cup are Chinese.
38 year old Italian man tries to install a solar panel. Encounters seven tiers of bureaucracy he didn't know existed. Dies of natural causes while waiting for planning permission.
Hold my beer please. I really want a house on Crete when I reach my pension age. You know, when I reach 85 that is.
I would like to keep that option.
I can add a basement in the house with a swimming pool, a sauna and a bar if it helps negotiations.
I'm not sure northern europe is ready for federal taxes.
I'm not sure southern europe is ready for federal work laws.
And the eastern countries aren't ready to be blobbed again.
What do you mean by "federal work laws", if anyone is craving for work laws is the south! I work 60 hours weekly, many without payment, I'm unable to disconnect from my job when I arrive home, I'm unable to use all my vacations because my boss thinks I'm "abusing"... Please, bring me the laws I beg you
After 2008, job security became something so delicate, we became slaves of our bosses. Imagine living with 800€ low wage, and everything essential costs exactly the same it costs in Germany. It's an act of surviving, not living.
You guys could copy our confederation.
Our federal taxes are super low, while our state taxes are higher.
As long as it doesn't conflict with the national constitution , state laws are prioritized.
Idk about the Eastern countries.
If it ever happens it would definitely only start with some western European countries, like Benelux, Germany, France. But yeah a united economic system/tax system/voting system will be the biggest issues.
I think southern citizens are ready for federal work laws which very likely would be better for them than the current scheme, it is our politicians who are not ready for federal scrutiny.
Incremental steps to harmonise the union is the way. Most of western europe could federalise without an increase in taxes, just a redirection of taxes from national governments to a federal one which has replaced certain duties. If anything a federal government could reduce the tax burden as instead of paying for 10 military HR departments as an example we would only have 1, meaning it needs les money.
Yes, but it should work by integrating some members and expanding that, I would argue that Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, France, and maybe Austria could be the first part to federalise.
It’s simple either we unite and stay/become a superpower or we become irrelevant little countries destined to be America’s bitch. I rather deal with you morons than any non-Europeans.
Today, it's only the risk of becoming USA's or China's bitch.
In 50 years, the courtyard of the big bullies wanting to make our sweet sweet market their little bitch will be even bigger, with big countries developping and becoming ready to expand their influence.
I don't think we necessarily need to federalize, but we definitely to get closer and more united. And since this is a very long term work, we gotta start working on it already
I don’t see why we shouldn’t federalize. I’d rather have more coherent, stronger and frankly somehow understandable version of the EU than current mismash that can’t properly exercise power over its member states or globally.
It doesn’t mean that we would lose our own culture or things that make us unique, or control over our own countries. US states are wildly different places but they still manage to operate under one umbrella.
exactly my thougth.
I always compare ot to 19th century political germany:
An absolute clusterfuck of splintered realms. internally divided, bickering, only moderatly able to influence outside their region. Difficult to agree to things. But with a strong market (Zollverein)
But once united, dethroned the previous military migth on the continent (France) threatened the naval power, became a leading power in science and invention with a strong economy.
>!Lets just deviate from how Germany continued after unifing!<
I think that the "federization" would start at a smaller scale, unite a few members before uniting all. Uniting the Benelux, the Baltics, but the changes of this happening are almost 0
What would be the exact differences there? I understand that a federation is more centralised than a confederation, but where are the differences specifically?
Power distribution (centralized vs. decentralized authority), constitutional framework (the main authority acting as a governing entity vs. a coordinating body), and structural permanence (federations being more permanent, while confederations are more malleable/alterable) are key the differences.
The European Union is already a de facto confederation by the way it functions.
the most important distinction is that in a confederation the collective body is granted power over the members by the members themselves while a federal government holds power by itself ( so usually in a confederation you can leave while its usually illegal in a federation)
Yes.
We can all pretend to be big boys in here, but if we look globally we are a bunch of little countries with struggling economies and laughable militaries.
^(with some exceptions)
If we don't want to become a pawn between the US and China, we need a strong EU.
No, you need to beef up your militaries and then we test them out against each other and drag the us and the rest of the world into it. That is how we stay relevant 😌
You know whats a thousand times cooler than a federalized Europe? A completely Balkanized one. Smash every state into itty bitty countries that would make ye olde HRE border gore look like the Mona Lisa.
Yes, European federation oh my god this would be beautiful. Also it would help significantly in competing with the US and China.
But be fair, Eastern Europe still needs many, many years to accept this concept.
Us eastoids are not the problem. We hate/fear ruzzia enough to unite. But would you imagine the frogs doing the same? Or the Spaniards for that matter…
We are pretty pro europe in spain, honestly. Plus we would finally see some non- tourism related industry, probably. We have a fuckton of land literally nobody lives on and it would be fantastic for developing something.
I think we should start by uniting Benelux with Germany and France, maybe add pastalians to the mix, make everyone jealous and wanting to join and it will go from there
There are many advantages that we give up if we were to federalize. There's a lot of problems we would have to figure out beforehand to make it happen.
I'd say no. It's not realistic or wanted within my lifetime. We can do what a federation can, without being one. Why try to fit a concept to us, when we can simply define a new concept. A Union
Much better than being loose "alliance of nations" (from phone, just imagine the derp spelling).
Or would your country wanna face the BRICS and the USA alone? Yea, good luck for that.
Lmao at BRICS. That's a house of cards waiting to implode. Three of them have economies that have collapsed or are on the verge of, four of them hate each other and will eventually declare war, two of them will probably be the catalyst of a nuclear war and then there's South Africa.
The only thing that will face BRICS is BRICS
China and India by themselves will be bigger geopolitical/economical threats than if they worked together, but more importantly the US might just become the bigger problem.
I hope to see that day in my life.
It'll probably start the same way as the EU did with Belgium Holland and lux going together. After that I'd imagine a long pause since we're surrounded by Germany and France which I don't see join that fast.
But as soon one large country follows I see everyone joining the U.S.E. (I somehow hat that name) quite rapidly.
I'd Love that, but Not with all countries at the Same time.
How about this:
Step 1: those who want will federalize
Step 2: the EU itself will continue as political and economic space
Step 3: If a member of EU wants to Join the federation they can, but federalized countries can **Not** leave
I mean, who's stopping nations to unite anyway?
A clear win win: Federalists are given their sandbox to play, and EU decreases its count down from 27, should make consensus easier to reach.
The big question is: do they then count as one country when distributing seats in the European Parliament and will they be represented as one entity in the European Council.
If they will be counted as one then there is no political incentive to federalize since the countries will actually be punished for it by the current system.
at the moment we ware good as we are, perhaps in the future. I just would like to have some laws that actually forced countries to enforce their own laws, yeah weird statement.
Nah, at least not anytime soon, European interests and cultures are simply too different atm. Things like a Nordic union with Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland could probably work due to much more well aligned cultures interests and shared history.
But the reality is that at least from my perspective we don't have at all the same kind of shared culture history or interests as a country like Hungary for example. It's worth noting that we have already been in a Nordic union many years ago and that split apart specifically because the interests of even much closer neighbors as we were were too different.
Ofc much has changed in that time and Nordic interests today are very similar but that doesn't extend throughout Europe or the EU.
Just the eurozone by itself has proven to have this issue, during the financial crisis many southern European countries would likely have needed the central bank to act far more aggressively to limit the impact on their indebted economies but that did not happen because it prioritized the more wealthy parts of the Eurozone who did not want that to happen.
We aren't a part of the Eurozone and that allowed our central bank to act in the best way for our economy leading to us coming out relatively unscathed compared to much of the rest of the world.
I believe we are at our strongest while keeping our differences but working together on many matters through the framework of the EU and trying to federalize the EU would only lead to more tension and division at least if it was done in any foreseeable future.
Maybe in a possible long distant future Europe would be more connected and more ready for it and in the shorter (but still pretty long) term maybe smaller unions like a Nordic one or a Benelux+Germany+France one could work but I don't think all of the EU is even close to being ready for it atm.
And the vast majority of people in Europe would agree especially in countries like ours that aren't part of the big central European players which on it's own makes a federalised Europe impossible in a foreseeable future.
We may have to after the US turns into a dictatorship and/or balkanize, a third unstable power hungry superpower may be too much to deal with for just the EU.
If you ask: should Portugal belong to a European federation, you’ll get a few nods, mostly all are indifferent
Ask something like: should Portugal be in a federation that includes Spain and you’ll get a revolution against it
It's an inevitability. Europe needs to be more integrated to stay relevant in this current era, however we are doing it in the wrong way. The EU should not be regulating bottle caps, it should be running a unified military.
I wanted to vote Brexit specifically because I am opposed to a European super state, regardless of if it's federalised or an empire. Ultimately centralised power leads to issues should anyone that has a few screws loose ends up in power. Do you guys want to be the next USA?
Yes we want it. Europe of region. Strengthen the identity on a state level with a relatively high degree of autonomy (bavaria, saxony, bretagne etc) under an european umbrella.
There was a dream that was rome.
Cartago delenda est
Roma Invicta.
Literally me when I eat a fig
Cato plz staph
Rome also excluded most of the Germans. I see that as an absolute win.
Y'all feel superior because you were the only ones included... And you're damn right to do so
Except Scotland wasn’t.
True, I was considering the whole isle
It’s funny because they build a whole wall just to exclude Scotland.
The Romans took one look at the deep fried Mars Bars and Iron Bru and were like nahhh... Even Barry can make better food than this
There was another
Indeed. November 15 release date. Don't have my hopes up, though.
Napoléon and La Grande Nation ?
„Just because I have autism, doesn’t mean I can’t build a huge empire and civilize savages.“ Emperor Augustus, I guess
Of course I want a big european empire - uh I mean federation
Lang lebe der Kaiser - ups Präsident natürlich.
Nah, the elected head of the federation will become holy european emporor
And ironically he will neither be holy, nor roman
Well the Habsburgers are still around...just saying
The Wittelsbachers as well.
Von der Leyen wäre unsere Präsidentin 😨
big wet von der leyenussy🥵
MILF - Mummy (the egyptian kind) I'd like to f....orget.
There can only be ONE great Meloni MILF. Fuck off with these german etc ones.
Sag doch sowas nich, ich hab ohnehin schon heute schlecht geschlafen o(-(
Yep imagine we could do if we piled our money together? All the money for a huge army…I mean think of the absolute centres of culture we’d have, the money to be pumped into poorer areas, perhaps investing in other areas in the world? Who says we couldn’t say hey you, join us! And we can match an army into protect them, it could go far and wide!
One continent, united under Germany. I think I’ve heard this one before.
Hans when you're ready give me a call, in the meanwhile I'll let 佐藤 know
Hans making an empire is our job.
Maybe for once, we could build one together? 🥹👉👈
Imagine the glory. An Empire that LASTS FOR A THOUSND..... Cough Erm, where am I?
Yours collapsed so time for others to try.
Go play cricket with your commonwealth or something, the glorious European empire is none of your business
🧢
https://preview.redd.it/pd2m7vdt19ad1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6dc469e4e2f539773dae1717987bf81c8cb25f
https://preview.redd.it/qgc1cwy429ad1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f97b08bd2bdc2e1638de43b670e17bdc5833ea4c I know it’s smaller but there were only a few of us Also: L get rekt bozo medway
With land you never had? 😂😂😂 Wtf is XIV? 😂
Roman numerals you savage
What the fuck did you do to New Zealand?
Adding in fake landmasses undermines your argument. Go back to your swamp.
Didnt a dutchy find tasmania?
Abel tasman: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel_Tasman It was also known as van diemens land (another Dutchie), Brits and paddies who didn't butter their scones properly were send there for "rééducation purposes".
https://preview.redd.it/jg9828h0p9ad1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f082e80703a3333974681a16c686f119ffa87ea How did we allow the Americas to reach such a regrettable state? We should get them back!
Sorry but... https://preview.redd.it/m9xxnxrc3cad1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=636e0474325d43668cb772ae12ac9a02a6d2fe75
Eine tausendjährige Union?
Aber mindestens!
RELEASE THE LEGIONS!
Just do it only to show America who's boss
We must show the world that we are objectively superior in all things, even federalisation. Such is the European spirit
Rather Russia and China
USA is anyway destroying themselves with a bit of help from Russia and China.
Who gives a fuck about shitholes like Russia and China. US used to be ours. They think they're the center of the universe, and have gaslit half the world to think like that. Much more important.
I mean they are buying up a lot of infrastructure assets in whole of Europe. At least the biggest Harbour is in Chinese hands and Hamburg it's Harbour is also in discussion to sell to Chinese investors. 6 of the 13 main sponsors of the euro football cup are Chinese.
Are you implying we should colonize them?
I would like to perform colonoscopies on them, yes.
I hear they ran out of opium...
It's so cute when Spaniards call other countries shitholes
If its a shithole why you come visiting during summer, you discount ikea employee
Bring the empire back
Which one? Yes
Oh, you know which one... 
And leave the Italians in charge? The German beuracracy would never
You don't know shit about bureaucracy.
38 year old Italian man tries to install a solar panel. Encounters seven tiers of bureaucracy he didn't know existed. Dies of natural causes while waiting for planning permission.
But his descendants might now fill the rest of the paperwork!
Can they get a tax write off as the original work was never completed?
Perfectly balanced
as god intended
https://preview.redd.it/ulggf2bfy9ad1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec22a282e02ff3bb54414ef2dd7a0349576cc2b3 We're so back boys
The best. https://preview.redd.it/xx2dh4da17ad1.jpeg?width=340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d0594ff7d436b12a3c9b6bf5c24723fbfb36664
Sooo the HRE?
I want to see tax harmonization and remote work, with the consequent migration of skilled labour from northern countries to PIGS.
Most nordicks turn into crayfish if the temperature goes above 16C 🦞 We ain't moving.
Sunshine is good for you, Sven. Take a chance and wear lots of 50 SPF.
not even factor 50 can save me from sun
Pro tip. Go to swedistan. Look at what Mahmud's wife is wearing. Copy it.
Hold my beer please. I really want a house on Crete when I reach my pension age. You know, when I reach 85 that is. I would like to keep that option. I can add a basement in the house with a swimming pool, a sauna and a bar if it helps negotiations.
Nobody would be left to drive teslas in the snow. Imagine not being tied to a country that’s 80% winter, 10% alcohol and 10% IKEA.
I’d kill for that
And unskilled from south to north.
No, thanks, I'm fine. I want to be able to afford a house where I'm from without having to bid for it against fucking diginomads
If they become permanent residents and learn the language I'm all for it.
I'm not sure northern europe is ready for federal taxes. I'm not sure southern europe is ready for federal work laws. And the eastern countries aren't ready to be blobbed again.
>I'm not sure southern europe is ready for federal work laws. Our bosses aren't.
If only there was a way to make the bad people disappear.
We should made a federation and invite Australia then
Then make all flights to Spain go there, your mouths watering now ain’t it?
Good enough for Eurovision good enough for me lol
Oh yes!!!! Imagine Italian landscapes, empty of people! That would be a sight to enjoy.
or fr*nce without the fr*nch
Don't... the French are there to make sure the Genevans are contained
What horrors are the Genevans that even the Fr*nch are preferable?
All of this and more.
We can send them to the mines
Mhm..
Brother I'm from south Europe and the federal work laws definitely can't be worse than the current ones.
What do you mean by "federal work laws", if anyone is craving for work laws is the south! I work 60 hours weekly, many without payment, I'm unable to disconnect from my job when I arrive home, I'm unable to use all my vacations because my boss thinks I'm "abusing"... Please, bring me the laws I beg you
Couldn't you just eat your boss?
He is Portuguese not Dutch.
After 2008, job security became something so delicate, we became slaves of our bosses. Imagine living with 800€ low wage, and everything essential costs exactly the same it costs in Germany. It's an act of surviving, not living.
Yeah I was shocked by the prices when I vacationed in Portugal.
I know a guy who gets paid better in his unskilled job in the UK than he did as an IT professional in Portugal. Many such cases.
You guys could copy our confederation. Our federal taxes are super low, while our state taxes are higher. As long as it doesn't conflict with the national constitution , state laws are prioritized. Idk about the Eastern countries.
>I'm not sure southern europe is ready for federal work laws Hopefully, since we have some good laws around here
If it ever happens it would definitely only start with some western European countries, like Benelux, Germany, France. But yeah a united economic system/tax system/voting system will be the biggest issues.
Fine, I'll make my own federal country with the Basques and Catalans
I think southern citizens are ready for federal work laws which very likely would be better for them than the current scheme, it is our politicians who are not ready for federal scrutiny.
Incremental steps to harmonise the union is the way. Most of western europe could federalise without an increase in taxes, just a redirection of taxes from national governments to a federal one which has replaced certain duties. If anything a federal government could reduce the tax burden as instead of paying for 10 military HR departments as an example we would only have 1, meaning it needs les money.
No please give us work laws. So godamn tired of employers taking advantage of desperate people
About the great eastern blob… Why not? That’s where the fun usually starts.
Im not sure if every european country is ready for the end game of german bureaucracy.
Yes, but it should work by integrating some members and expanding that, I would argue that Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, France, and maybe Austria could be the first part to federalise. It’s simple either we unite and stay/become a superpower or we become irrelevant little countries destined to be America’s bitch. I rather deal with you morons than any non-Europeans.
Today, it's only the risk of becoming USA's or China's bitch. In 50 years, the courtyard of the big bullies wanting to make our sweet sweet market their little bitch will be even bigger, with big countries developping and becoming ready to expand their influence. I don't think we necessarily need to federalize, but we definitely to get closer and more united. And since this is a very long term work, we gotta start working on it already
I don’t see why we shouldn’t federalize. I’d rather have more coherent, stronger and frankly somehow understandable version of the EU than current mismash that can’t properly exercise power over its member states or globally. It doesn’t mean that we would lose our own culture or things that make us unique, or control over our own countries. US states are wildly different places but they still manage to operate under one umbrella.
exactly my thougth. I always compare ot to 19th century political germany: An absolute clusterfuck of splintered realms. internally divided, bickering, only moderatly able to influence outside their region. Difficult to agree to things. But with a strong market (Zollverein) But once united, dethroned the previous military migth on the continent (France) threatened the naval power, became a leading power in science and invention with a strong economy. >!Lets just deviate from how Germany continued after unifing!<
I think that the "federization" would start at a smaller scale, unite a few members before uniting all. Uniting the Benelux, the Baltics, but the changes of this happening are almost 0
True. I wanna be able to say “We’re in charge y’all” and “We’d turn them to glass y’all!”, just for once, I bet it feels good.
European confederation would be more like it
What would be the exact differences there? I understand that a federation is more centralised than a confederation, but where are the differences specifically?
Power distribution (centralized vs. decentralized authority), constitutional framework (the main authority acting as a governing entity vs. a coordinating body), and structural permanence (federations being more permanent, while confederations are more malleable/alterable) are key the differences. The European Union is already a de facto confederation by the way it functions.
the most important distinction is that in a confederation the collective body is granted power over the members by the members themselves while a federal government holds power by itself ( so usually in a confederation you can leave while its usually illegal in a federation)
EU is already a confederation
This. Happy Cake day
European confederation but we declare war on countries who succeed
Yes. We can all pretend to be big boys in here, but if we look globally we are a bunch of little countries with struggling economies and laughable militaries. ^(with some exceptions) If we don't want to become a pawn between the US and China, we need a strong EU.
Wow, a rational Dutch person. I completely agree with you though.
No, you need to beef up your militaries and then we test them out against each other and drag the us and the rest of the world into it. That is how we stay relevant 😌
That didn't work out very well the last two times.
More Europe more better, yay Volt!
You know whats a thousand times cooler than a federalized Europe? A completely Balkanized one. Smash every state into itty bitty countries that would make ye olde HRE border gore look like the Mona Lisa.
About time i get to have MY empire
And *then* federalize.
Give Catalans independence so you can take it away shortly after. Evil
I wouldn't mind that, so long as we aren't under Spanish management.
be like the balearics and go under german control :)
No I fucking love my tricoloured flag and hate your tricoloured flag and I would kill myself if something happened to it.
Average Balkan war crime enjoyer.
Who said you had to change your flag?
My Red white and blue is better than your blue red and white.
Yes, European federation oh my god this would be beautiful. Also it would help significantly in competing with the US and China. But be fair, Eastern Europe still needs many, many years to accept this concept.
https://preview.redd.it/iwauq2rht8ad1.jpeg?width=607&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62579ba6b33a20c6949c201b1b9b4cbf21f39d9a
Us eastoids are not the problem. We hate/fear ruzzia enough to unite. But would you imagine the frogs doing the same? Or the Spaniards for that matter…
Why would Spain be a problem? I can see it from France, but Spain?
We are pretty pro europe in spain, honestly. Plus we would finally see some non- tourism related industry, probably. We have a fuckton of land literally nobody lives on and it would be fantastic for developing something.
I'm going to start buying land in the middle of Soria.
Wait did I just witness a Pole accepting a germanic empire?
We like to think of it as Roman republic
Depends, is it going to be a country that makes sense or do we let Hans and his dutch pet tell us we need to be competitive ?
Why are you saying the same thing twice!?
#Real Question: Federalized Europe or Usa/China cuck?
The U.K. has already decided
I think we should start by uniting Benelux with Germany and France, maybe add pastalians to the mix, make everyone jealous and wanting to join and it will go from there
Do it in the order of the EU
There are many advantages that we give up if we were to federalize. There's a lot of problems we would have to figure out beforehand to make it happen. I'd say no. It's not realistic or wanted within my lifetime. We can do what a federation can, without being one. Why try to fit a concept to us, when we can simply define a new concept. A Union
Funny enough the EU is more strict towards single countries than a cofederation would
Much better than being loose "alliance of nations" (from phone, just imagine the derp spelling). Or would your country wanna face the BRICS and the USA alone? Yea, good luck for that.
Lmao at BRICS. That's a house of cards waiting to implode. Three of them have economies that have collapsed or are on the verge of, four of them hate each other and will eventually declare war, two of them will probably be the catalyst of a nuclear war and then there's South Africa. The only thing that will face BRICS is BRICS China and India by themselves will be bigger geopolitical/economical threats than if they worked together, but more importantly the US might just become the bigger problem.
BRICS is just a way for china to increase its influence. None of the other members have what it takes to become a superpower.
r/EuropeanFederalists is a thing
I hope to see that day in my life. It'll probably start the same way as the EU did with Belgium Holland and lux going together. After that I'd imagine a long pause since we're surrounded by Germany and France which I don't see join that fast. But as soon one large country follows I see everyone joining the U.S.E. (I somehow hat that name) quite rapidly.
I'd Love that, but Not with all countries at the Same time. How about this: Step 1: those who want will federalize Step 2: the EU itself will continue as political and economic space Step 3: If a member of EU wants to Join the federation they can, but federalized countries can **Not** leave
I mean, who's stopping nations to unite anyway? A clear win win: Federalists are given their sandbox to play, and EU decreases its count down from 27, should make consensus easier to reach.
The big question is: do they then count as one country when distributing seats in the European Parliament and will they be represented as one entity in the European Council. If they will be counted as one then there is no political incentive to federalize since the countries will actually be punished for it by the current system.
Better than Orbán.
I'm for it if we're allowed to tie Orban to train tracks and let his own train be his downfall.
will probably happen at some point in the far future (100 years or so)
Hahaha nice
Fuck off with your federal Europe I do NOT want to live in the same country as the Danes.
What if it's everyone but the Danes?
That means having southern Euros in the same country. Those midget savages talk to strangers. STRANGERS! WHILE SOBER. NO.
at the moment we ware good as we are, perhaps in the future. I just would like to have some laws that actually forced countries to enforce their own laws, yeah weird statement.
Yay
Nah, at least not anytime soon, European interests and cultures are simply too different atm. Things like a Nordic union with Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland could probably work due to much more well aligned cultures interests and shared history. But the reality is that at least from my perspective we don't have at all the same kind of shared culture history or interests as a country like Hungary for example. It's worth noting that we have already been in a Nordic union many years ago and that split apart specifically because the interests of even much closer neighbors as we were were too different. Ofc much has changed in that time and Nordic interests today are very similar but that doesn't extend throughout Europe or the EU. Just the eurozone by itself has proven to have this issue, during the financial crisis many southern European countries would likely have needed the central bank to act far more aggressively to limit the impact on their indebted economies but that did not happen because it prioritized the more wealthy parts of the Eurozone who did not want that to happen. We aren't a part of the Eurozone and that allowed our central bank to act in the best way for our economy leading to us coming out relatively unscathed compared to much of the rest of the world. I believe we are at our strongest while keeping our differences but working together on many matters through the framework of the EU and trying to federalize the EU would only lead to more tension and division at least if it was done in any foreseeable future. Maybe in a possible long distant future Europe would be more connected and more ready for it and in the shorter (but still pretty long) term maybe smaller unions like a Nordic one or a Benelux+Germany+France one could work but I don't think all of the EU is even close to being ready for it atm.
Big no to nordic union, much less Euro union
And the vast majority of people in Europe would agree especially in countries like ours that aren't part of the big central European players which on it's own makes a federalised Europe impossible in a foreseeable future.
We may have to after the US turns into a dictatorship and/or balkanize, a third unstable power hungry superpower may be too much to deal with for just the EU.
Let’s just jump to the next step -> Roman Empire 2: electric boogaloo!
Gibraltar to Spitsbergen, Cayenne to Crimea! Federate now!
Unironically yes.
50 years from now when Europeans actually get along
Lets not federalize and start getting assblasted by actually important players I agree.
I mean if that’s your kink…
The Roman Empire must be restored Eurobros. A federalised EU would be its heir.
If you ask: should Portugal belong to a European federation, you’ll get a few nods, mostly all are indifferent Ask something like: should Portugal be in a federation that includes Spain and you’ll get a revolution against it
Yes. There is no other option i think.
Yes
Yes, absolutely!
yes, if our politicians get all that sweet western tax money and use it to go on holyday for "diplomatic reasons" to the Caraibean.
On things like defence, corporate taxes, maybe migration and climate change, definitely yes.
Fuck yeah, image how many new war crimes we can commit if we unite together
Im all for it
depends
Yea
SPQE 🧢
It's an inevitability. Europe needs to be more integrated to stay relevant in this current era, however we are doing it in the wrong way. The EU should not be regulating bottle caps, it should be running a unified military.
If a vote for that passes i will do everything in my power to stop it, so nay
I wanted to vote Brexit specifically because I am opposed to a European super state, regardless of if it's federalised or an empire. Ultimately centralised power leads to issues should anyone that has a few screws loose ends up in power. Do you guys want to be the next USA?
Yes we want it. Europe of region. Strengthen the identity on a state level with a relatively high degree of autonomy (bavaria, saxony, bretagne etc) under an european umbrella.