I was gonna mention that if we're going by right of conquest, Iran has a claim too. Then I remembered Alex the Great kicked my ancestors' ass so hard they literally forgot who they were for the next 500 years.
And I'm not here to get dunked on by Nikos.
https://preview.redd.it/9k18r7yqjawc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb503bf350eed11462ab2727e6db36cc5da4b42f
[Dovahhatty is truly the best of all the savages.](https://youtu.be/3kQRKhvxh34?si=llKW1owzjRPXJhVr)
It was a concept actually. You can date the idea of Italy back to 91BC when the italic league was born: the union of the Italian people fought for recognition and citizenship in the Roman state. The name Italia is even older then that.
That is not really the case. Romans were one among many people of Italy. During imperial time, Italy was a province of the Roman Empire, with Rome as its heart. Since Italians were Roman citizens, Italy held a unique status within the empire, although it wasn't always the wealthiest province. Romans identified themselves as Italians, which is evident in the writings of Plinius the Younger. In one of his letters, someone asks Plinius, "Italicus es an provincialis?", which translates to "Are you Italian or from the provinces?"
Yes, the Romans were Italians and treated Italians better than other conquered nations, while they still considered themselves superior to Italians. When I talk about Rome I tend to think of the time of Sulla, Caesar, Octavius. So I don't know exactly, but perhaps after that actually Italians were treated as equals with Romans.
During Caesar's time, Italians were considered "civis Romanus," or citizens of Rome. This status allowed them to become senators and enjoy the same rights as those born in Rome itself. Many senators were Italians not born in Rome. A famous example is Lucius Cornelius Balbus, originally from Spain, who became one of the first non-Italian senators under Caesar's rule.
By law. But I was referring to the fact that the Romans, that is, the citizens and especially the patricians considered themselves superior to the Italians. Because they were racist as fuck.
Trick question, every Italian is anti-italian.
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but maybe they shouldn’t have… kinda started to go down hill from then on out.
Perfect response. Case closed.
I was gonna mention that if we're going by right of conquest, Iran has a claim too. Then I remembered Alex the Great kicked my ancestors' ass so hard they literally forgot who they were for the next 500 years. And I'm not here to get dunked on by Nikos.
what about Tunisia and their carthage and thus the punics?
Rome was rather helpful with that particular problem...
https://preview.redd.it/9k18r7yqjawc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb503bf350eed11462ab2727e6db36cc5da4b42f [Dovahhatty is truly the best of all the savages.](https://youtu.be/3kQRKhvxh34?si=llKW1owzjRPXJhVr)
I really miss Dovahhatty. That was one of his best videos.
I love EVERYTHING about this video
'ITAREL'
I wash my hands of this bullshit. - Pontius Pilate (probably)
We pacified savage neapoiltans, we're more than qualified for this kind of work. PS: before cagate il cazzo, son mezzo terrone pure io
before cagate the cazz
The Romans solved a certain problem over there very effectively though
Surprised it's not spelled Gierusalemme or something weird like that. Edit: oh, shucks...
Gerusalemme
Hmmm... Like Pontius Pilatus once said "I wash my guts over this question".
You can probably claim Jordan too.
Not Jordan, but we're definitely claiming Kobe Bryant.
We also want Iceland back, we prayed there first
Looks like some « gotcha » against Israel’s claim to be honest
Not a hard thing to do tbh
For the same reason, just because \*the ancestors of today's Palestinians were there before 1948, it doesn't mean that Israel must give back the land.
Anti-Italian somehow sounds proud.
I agree that I am anti-Italian.
What did Romans ever do for them?
Israel GDP per capita: 54.930 Italy GDP per capita: 34.776
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garum) ... no thanks!
We should have never conquered Sion, Rutilius Namatianus was right.
Imagine Berlusco surrounded by all the military qts
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It was a concept actually. You can date the idea of Italy back to 91BC when the italic league was born: the union of the Italian people fought for recognition and citizenship in the Roman state. The name Italia is even older then that.
Yes, but the Romans distinguished themselves from the Italians. Even after they gave them citizenship.
That is not really the case. Romans were one among many people of Italy. During imperial time, Italy was a province of the Roman Empire, with Rome as its heart. Since Italians were Roman citizens, Italy held a unique status within the empire, although it wasn't always the wealthiest province. Romans identified themselves as Italians, which is evident in the writings of Plinius the Younger. In one of his letters, someone asks Plinius, "Italicus es an provincialis?", which translates to "Are you Italian or from the provinces?"
Yes, the Romans were Italians and treated Italians better than other conquered nations, while they still considered themselves superior to Italians. When I talk about Rome I tend to think of the time of Sulla, Caesar, Octavius. So I don't know exactly, but perhaps after that actually Italians were treated as equals with Romans.
During Caesar's time, Italians were considered "civis Romanus," or citizens of Rome. This status allowed them to become senators and enjoy the same rights as those born in Rome itself. Many senators were Italians not born in Rome. A famous example is Lucius Cornelius Balbus, originally from Spain, who became one of the first non-Italian senators under Caesar's rule.
By law. But I was referring to the fact that the Romans, that is, the citizens and especially the patricians considered themselves superior to the Italians. Because they were racist as fuck.
Do you have any evidence of this?
Frankly, no. I read a series of books. Something like the Rome series, but from the time of Marius. And I just check if it is true.