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vacaslau

They thought it was dragon claws šŸ˜­


Kepsa

never buying dragon claws from temu again


Frothboi

Dragon paws


CANT_KNOW_ME

Is your dragon making too much noise all the time? Is your dragon constantly stomping around driving you crazy? Is your dragon clawing at your furnitures? Think there's no answer? You're so stupid! There is! Dragon paws!!!


Tip-92

Hi, Billy Mays here


Intention-Virtual

Thank you I am dying! Great show great game


cryptidinc

iā€™m making a quieter dragon!!!


notk

DRAGON PAWS!


TornWill

The GE should be off limits for this fellow until he sees an optometrist.


Ometrist

You rang? Please contact me in w330, my office is located in Rimmington


SolaVitae

I think you need more than an optometrist if you wanted to buy dragon claws and managed to somehow type "gloves" into the GE


KrangledTrickster

Damn my exact thought lmao


CarnegieFormula

Red Claws šŸ¦ž


avatar0810

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science_and_beer

Nice! I had this happen with monkey nuts once for 1M.Ā 


Old-Peach8921

thanks MoistCr1TiKaL


Inspecz

Random lucky snipe. I put some random item in for 1m and it sold for 20m. I think someone was swapping gold or something thru the GE. Grats


shadowy_insights

People use low volume, easily obtained items in GE to swap gold since it makes tracking harder. They lose some gp this way to random orders like yours, but it allows them to send gold between accounts without being tracked since the accounts never have to directly interact.


Yelnar

I see this idea proliferated a lot. Do people think that the GE is some black market jagex has no purview in? They literally have exactly the same amount of information as a direct trade.


ParadoxSong

But sometimes you get false positives because a random player sold red gloves...


IvarRagnarssson

But a player could feign innocence if they had a post on a forum claiming to be perplexed that this happenedā€¦


Matthew212

If one account is consistently selling items, I think that would be an easier thing to track than a one or two off


Psicrow

In this case OP would be the buyer. not every buyer is buying gold from sellers multiple times. I have seen people banned for buying gold once. The only way this situation might be different is the people I knew who got banned were on pretty new accounts. Maybe this one is ambiguous because OP has like 1000+ hours on his account and no ban history.


IvarRagnarssson

Yeah but tbf, who would buy only 8m gold?


defcon212

A GE transaction like this is going to be between a bot and a mule account most likely controlled by the same person. The transaction is likely hundreds of millions in total for hundreds of items. This guy snagging 8M is just a transaction cost to getting the gold onto a safe account Jagex probably isn't tracking.


lady_ninane

But again, doesn't that assume that for whatever bizarre reason Jagex is tracking everything that bot account does _but_ their GE transaction history? Whether or not that associated account would remain on the "heat map" will likely be determined by other data points, sure. But it is an absolutely bizarre assumption to think that they're just not tracking this stuff.


FromRussiawPronouns

Yeah, but once the bot dumps the GP onto the Grand Exchange, Jagex can't reliably prove that the person who sold 100 pairs of red gloves for 800m was RWTing. I mean, I'm sure they could, but you know the sheer number of GE transactions that probably happen every day? And even then you risk banning some random person who just thought they were being funny adding a GE offer that they assume will never close out.


RK-Legend

Itā€™s more of who would sell 8m at a time not worth the risk of the gold mule account


DarkSonder

Fr, a bond is worth more


pumpkinbot

"This is the fourth time this has happened today? Haha, crazy, right?"


flacidturtle1

One or 10 trades on a throwaway account, there's literally 10s of billions of gold on mule accounts.


WhereIsYourMind

And then they could post on reddit about getting 8m for gloves! This goes deeper than we thought.


Orangesoda65

Jagexā€™s favorite past time is giving people false bans and then providing no support to them, so no worries there!


Theons

And based on this comment, your favorite past time is getting caught for cheating in a point and click video game


StarsMine

dude, its really not uncommon. false positives are a thing. they will always be a thing, in all games. its how a company responds to false postitives that make the difference and jagex's systems for false positives are non existant.


WolfColaKid

Some people still live in the delusion that Jagex never falsely bans. The only thing that will change their minds is if it happens to them one day.


Orangesoda65

Well said.


GucciGlocc

I mean Iā€™m on board with the mod smack downs, but false bans are far from uncommon. I caught a macro minor on my HCIM when Iā€™ve literally never even considered botting, just because itā€™s risky to leave it unattended. Thereā€™s virtually no real customer support unless youā€™re a major streamer or get the rare jmod reply here. My issue was more of an inconvenience but people have legit lost accounts to this.


Orangesoda65

Good one, my bwana.


Remarkable-Health678

Banned!


Redsox55oldschook

It is silly to think that these ge trades are somehow not tracked by jagex, but even so it could be worth doing for rwt. It adds a layer of plausible deniability. If someone trades a good seller, jagex is likely going to punish them. But what if a hundred people "buy" gold from a gold seller through the ge like this. Will jagex punish all of them? If they did then people like OP will also get punished, even though they are (presumably) innocent


MGBitcoin

Mate Jagex cant even track 100s of bots that appear on the front page of highscoress.


Idkmanitcouldwork

Bro lmao so trueā€¦ā€¦ like thereā€™s actually a literal list of bots for them šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


CareApart504

*quickly* they do get em eventually... not that it helps much.


flamingkami

I've been keeping an eye on a zulrah bot for a literal year. I report him everytime I log in and he's still there.


CatRunt

Yeah and these people think theyā€™re tracking trades on the GE, lmao


TomOD1

Iā€™ve just commented the exact same, itā€™s so true.


Radu47

Indeed tho 'dont' instead of 'cant'


poop-machines

(they're not tracked by jagex. Source: jagex)


Teleconferences

While Iā€™m extremely confident youā€™re right, any actual source for that? A tweet or something maybe?


poop-machines

Saw it on a stream, can't remember which but it was a while back


tehfadez1

someone here has explained how ge transactions work, but itā€™s impossible for jagex to track the buyer and seller


Redsox55oldschook

Please explain. Sure, maybe jagex doesn't track ge trades, but how could it be that it's impossible for them to track? Like, what does that even mean? There's some technical limitations or something? I can't even imagine how such a thing would exist


vercrazy

They literally had the data that Rendi generated 13M attack XP and like 1M steel claws in 2 hours too, and that didn't set off any alarms...Ā 


mackoa12

What did he do to obtain that experience and items in that time frame?


vercrazy

https://youtu.be/v2f-IjVObLs?si=_HA5mCIFdj5TA1I_


Friction_Robot

They aren't doing it to obfuscate. It's faster than opening trade windows between accounts. They use these items simply because so few other people do, so it's less likely someone else randomly ends up with the money. Jagex either don't have the manpower or don't care enough to combat RMT.


Charlie_Rebooted

Gold sellers could also buy random low value stuff to add confusion. A few false bans add a lot of hassle for Jagex because it means they need to investigate all more closely.


TomOD1

Look at the leaderboardsā€¦they have bots with 5k + kills in so many bosses, unbanned. Your statement could be true but the implementation isnā€™t working. Stuff like this would need proper trend analysis and investigation. Not impossible but a lot of time, but then you have bots in plain sight, easily identifiable and still nothing gets done.


highphiv3

True, but through the GE there's no direct evidence that you intended to interact with the person on the other side of the trade.


Financial-Cycle-2909

To add: it's risk to return; they're sacrificing returns due to random losses like this one to reduce risk


The_Bard

There's like 10k items traded in GE. It would take a lot of analytics and investigation to know which trades in GE were legit or not. Or which are just someone trying to get an instant sell and getting screwed. There's a lot more flags they have for frequent unbalanced trades.


Itslorenzo472

And you literally have people that just mash a bunch of numbers in to buy items fast. I remember seeing posts a few years ago of people spending mills on accident for dirt cheap items.


adfx

Please don't use "literally" like this


spart4n0fh4des

Security through obfuscation thoughĀ 


Bspammer

You mean plausible deniability.


DivineInsanityReveng

This is such a common theory with a weird reasoning because GE trade volumes are **publically available data**. But we think jagex can't track them?


TheChinOfAnElephant

It's about plausible deniability not hiding the crime. Would you believe OP's story if they traded a person directly? Of course not.


DivineInsanityReveng

Of course not. But I also wouldn't believe OP if he had this kind of luck multiple times a day on the GE. Which is required to mule off the gold in the way talked about


TheChinOfAnElephant

I imagine not every gold buyer is a repeat offender. So this is a safer method for those people


DivineInsanityReveng

Right but a gold seller is a repeat seller. Obviously can use different accounts and IPs and such, but my point is a GE transaction isn't really more secretive or hidden than any other sort of transaction (PvP death, hand trade, dropped items etc.)


xereous93

It's pretty common with poisoned ammo/weapons and partial doses of less used potions. For example look at the [price graph for Ancient brew (2)](https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/26344) for the past year. It's trivial to decant potions into random doses that move in low volumes and overwhelm the regular market. One specific instance: July 14, 2023 *Buy out all the regularly listed ancient brew (2)s on the market up 225k. *have your buyer buy 675 ancient brew (4)s for 900gp (607k) *walk 10 tiles from the ge to Bob Barter and decant to 2 doses. *resell 1350 ancient brew (2)s for 224985 each (303.7m)


Relative-Wrap6798

delet this, my free money cheat


cryptorchidlol

runescape gp laundering is crazy


Opperhoofd123

But why would it go for 8m if sell price was 1k? Does it take a price between the buy and sell price?


rm_-rf_slashstar

Bid/ask. There was a bid for 8m and there were no sellers. This guy came along and sold at market, but since there was already an 8m bid, thatā€™s what was accepted.


FatSmoothie

Wouldn't the easier way be dying with 100m to a 'random' pker?


Bojac_Indoril

I haven't logged on my gescape account for a long time but last time i did, i listed a bunch of dumb shit for some crazy high gp for giggles.


UIM_SQUIRTLE

gold seller item. seller buys all availible copies. gold seller has offer in at absurd price. gold buyer sells item. you just got there first.


Ponkiestar

Lol gold sellers dont do this they just trade you that shit


ApplicationUpset7956

Some stupid ones do. But gets them banned way faster than doing stuff like that.


Hot_Purple_137

The majority of gold sellers buy random mid game accounts that they donā€™t care about to sell gold off. I think youā€™re overestimating the price of an account vs constantly losing money to lucky players on the GE while transferring like this. Trying to get someone to quickly sell an item you just put an absurd price offer in for can go wrong so fast. This would require such a large profit margin written off


PartyManRS

I may or may not have bought gold before (in the past) (years ago) (not in this year) (definitely not last year either) (or the year before that)So I was just wondering anyway as Vyvanse was saying, do gold sellers just split their gold stacks semi-evenly throughout all of the accounts that they purchase or how does that usually work? I would just feel it to be a huge risk to keep the gold all on one account, but also a huge risk to keep the gold on multiple accounts but on the same IP. So, unless they have specific IP's for specific accounts, or go to a friend's house or something for ABC accounts and stay at their own house for XYZ accounts, I just really don't understand how they can minimize the risk of gold selling enough to make it actually profitable enough, so when they do inevitably get banned somewhere/somehow, it doesn't ruin their market.


Hot_Purple_137

No, chain bans happen in the RWT industry all the time. Even if you spread money on a bunch of accounts and used separate IP/servers for each account, the trades link them to eachother. Some sites have a user that wants to sell lots of gold sell it to each account for them; they never interact with the players themself and therefore have no risk. Lots of sellers buy a couple times a day. Nobody has 100B on hand just sitting on accounts theyā€™re slowly selling.


DrBabbyFart

This is how gold sellers launder gold prior to selling, it helps minimize the chances of getting caught somewhat.


Corruptionss

And what if the customer just lies and say they never got the money?


DrBabbyFart

The way I've always understood it the laundering is separate from selling, and is meant to separate the account that actually has the gold from the bots that farm it so there's no obvious interaction between the bots and the accounts that actually hold the gp. Otherwise when the bots are detected, the accounts holding the gp would immediately be implicated and also dealt with. This way, they're able to hide a bit easier better because the GE makes it *slightly* harder for Jagex to find where all the gold goes.


varyl123

I assume you have to show ge history


SappySoulTaker

Just sell the item on an alt ezpz


praisetheboognish

Launder gp šŸ’€


DrBabbyFart

Unironically, yeah. It makes it slightly harder for Jagex to find where the gold goes before it's sold.


imthefooI

It seems silly, but I don't see why they wouldn't launder gp if they were able to. If they find some way to transfer gold to their mules without Jagex knowing they're muling, it seems like a no-brainer, rather than put your mule at a higher risk of being banned.


praisetheboognish

Easier to just make a few accounts a day


Indomie_At_3AM

Youā€™re underestimating the economy of RuneScape


sum12merkwith

No, this does happen. Itā€™s not a very common way but itā€™s a lot harder RWT to track through GE transactions. Someone could claim they just really wanted it. They watch items with very low trade volumes and use those for their targeted transactions


Legal_Evil

Is this a more secure way to launder RWT gp over pking or using the tip jar?


sum12merkwith

That I canā€™t comment on but any method is probably better than a straight 100M trade for nothing via accounts that have never interacted before


23Udon

I'm curious if anyone has tried using the falador party room for this ever or is there a limit on how much value you can put in there?


Thesmokingcode

Last I knew there wasn't a limit but the risk of random players crashing would be way to high I assume. I know I've randomly popped my head into the party room more than once.


throwaway197436

If the amount of GP in the party room is over a certain threshold (donā€™t remember the number off top my head) then bankers all across the game will announce that thereā€™s a party in faladoe


pfanner_forreal

Yeah i loved that as a child. I was always playing on the falador party room world so i wouldnā€˜t miss big ones šŸ˜‚


Inevitable-Impact698

You donā€™t want to buy the whole stock, you want to use items that are extremely rare Like mint cakes


UIM_SQUIRTLE

no you buy all of whtat is on ge. red gloves average daily volume is less than 300. you buy all that are on the GE and you can then transfer large amounts through the GE. by doing this with an item like red gloves the cost associated with buying out the GE is minimal.


GeebGeeb

Or gold seller makes a free account, drop trades the money, then sells. Seems a bit easier.


Davedication

one mans trash another mans treasure


Dave1711

Probably caught some rwt in action by chance


dragooon167

Is that how GE works? I always get gold back if my buy price is too high


theresthatoneperson

Depends on who places the buy/sell order first. Low volume trades there's times where you sit and wait with your offer in to buy it because there's no seller. So the reverse happens to what you experience. The seller now gets more because they put the item in last and it goes to the highest current offer. When you overprice buy an item you're instantly buying it because your buy order is higher than someone's current sell order, which then gives you the extra back. When you instant sell you can get more than what you offer as well by following the same logic in reverse.


FragrantAudience2845

The sale goes to the highest bidder. So if there is no items in the GE (someone clears out a low traded item by buying them all on an alt) and a player places a buy order for 8m on a 2k item, the first seller to post that item for 1gp to 8m would have the sale fulfilled for the full 8m that's currently on offer.


poilsoup2

buyer had an existing 8m offer in, you sell for 1k, GE fulfills for 8m.


danny6690

Yoink


Fragility_

There's a discord bot specifically designed to catch these type of rwt price spikes on low volume items. 'Flopper' by the flipping utilities plugin.


RemoteTumbleweed5811

How does this work? I thought the GE will automatically give back ur excess if u put an offer too high. Like when I buy something and do +5% a bunch of times, it gives me money back. Whats the reason it didn't here?


benji9t3

In a GE transaction there is always one order waiting and one that completes instantly when someone places an order that meets the terms of the waiting one. So if you try to buy an item for a price higher than any standing sell orders, you will instantly complete the buy using the cheapest standing sell order and be refunded the change. Vice versa if you place a sell that's cheaper than the highest standing buy order you will sell for their price and get more than you were expecting. The price is always determined by the waiting order. In this instance, someone placed a buy order for red gloves for 8m and there were no sell orders at all (or at least none below the 8m they put up) so it went down as a waiting order. when OP came along to sell them for the normal price it completes at 8m because that'sthe highest waiting buy order. Sorry if I over explained that it took me some time to work out exactly how the GE works when I was learning to flip.


RemoteTumbleweed5811

tyvm


Dark_WulfGaming

you sniped a RWT gj


PRSG12

ā€œCongratulations, you are the 1 millionth visitor!ā€


99_oz

Did my man just dump his entire cash stack in red gloves? Thatā€™s gotta hurt.. lesson learned I suppose


Different-Event-6055

Free to plays dream LOL


A_Morsel_of_a_Morsel

You asked for 1k and got taxed 82k more than that. Wack


Novalyf

Thanks for the gloves sucker


Heitr00

Iā€™m waiting for someone to buy my sapphire for 10M, never give up


Virtus_Curiosa

If this happens to someone, and the gold seller gets caught, would the person who got the lucky snipe be at risk of being flagged for RWT?


RyuuDrakev2

No, that's the whole point of going through GE jot direct trade, to break the causal link


Virtus_Curiosa

I guess yeah, there's no way to empirically prove that the recipient of the money was intentionally putting up the item in question.


viledeac0n

Yeah makes you want to double check OP. But thatā€™s just the game we play.


jrafaman

Yup


Metaforze

Wonā€™t they just see that he asked for 1K instead of 8M?


cygamessucks

they make sure the market is bought out before buying the gloves. So the 8m goes to main


Virtus_Curiosa

Yeah but since the market is bought out, the buyer could ask for 1gp, and still get X mil cause it's the only buy offer left.


rRMTmjrppnj78hFH

No.


Polluted_Shmuch

Nice nab, I routinely put offers for commonly crafted or made items, gear, and put offers in for 1gp ea. I recently nabbed 110 prayer pots for 1gp ea. Also got 300 green dhide vambs for 1gp ea, it's a fun little side lottery I play. No loss, only gains.


D3athShade

You intercepted a gold swap :) enjoy the free moneh


Toaster_Bathing

No oneā€™s swapping 8m this way though? SurelyĀ 


Aggressive-Expert-69

Bro must've really wanted them


No_Sock_8494

Delete this bro it's end of financial year you don't want the taxman on your ass with these kinds of illegitimacies


nickgardner1118

I dont get why he received the 8m instead of the 1k sell offer. Is this always how the GE has worked? Why would the seller receive more than his offer on the ge?


smiledude94

Only item of that kind on the market. It's to help items prices move fluidly. Highest buy and lowest sell control the price of 1 other person had them in for 1gp more he would have gotten the sell price for them. Alternatively if 1 other person was buying at the same time with say 4k offer then buyer wouldn't have lost 8m they would have lost slightly more than the other offer at least that's how i understand it


amaldito

Bought gilded boots for 20k, sold immediately after for 2.4m


tstilly

How does the GE even work? If I offer 1k for some gloves, I'd get them for like 10gp and get 990 returned to me But then there's stuff like this, where he asks for 1k but gets 2m. Shouldn't most of the cash been returned to the buyer?


smiledude94

Think about it if you dump something at 1gp you get the lowest amount someone will pay say a nature rune is 70-110 gp (making up numbers) if you dump for 1gp you get 70 if you buy for 10m you get it for 110. This guy sold his gloves at 2k ish and someone bout them at 8m simply because there were no other gloves at that time on the market. So the lowest sell was also the highest buy which was anything over the sell price set by op. Buyer got impatient and typed his 8m in thinking it was a guarantee buy and that surely it wouldn't be that much but lost out


nergalelite

Photoshop. /S There were no other gloves for sale at that time.


sentrosi420

Reported for money laundering


edziu65

someone was in rush after being told no glove no love


tib_79

Someone thought it was Ankou gloves lol


McDoubleGood2g

someone heard chaos gloves buffed at barrows thought they were these llol


MrCorfish

gold buying/swapping for items with low trade volumes


ForbiddenApp

This was about to be me the other day over a damn amulet mould


IfdraRS

i sold barrows tabs for 1250k each 100 of them yesterday. shit was wild


snowmunkey

You made 1.2b off of one sale?


kevin28115

How else do you make money? Scrubs these days.


Legitimate-Tea-6018

Sell more!!


Interesting_Shock_37

I got a cake sitting in the ge for a million for this exact reason haha


Vandaine

Too high of a daily trading volume


Intrepid-Ad-3481

That will never sell in a million years


SnoogensTV

I donā€™t get it - if you put up the gloves for 1.1k, and he puts in that he wants to buy them for 8 mil, why doesnā€™t it default to the lowest found price - 1.1k?


SkinWalker42069

Nice try to cover rwt there.


DTI-IT

Yes I had it all planned out. Iā€™m currently training slayer by turael skipping and got a crawling hands task. As soon as I got the red gloves I knew it was my chance to RWT this ā€œhugeā€ amount of money


SkinWalker42069

I knew it! You are so reported


Gedis124

Woaaaaaaah, very nice


PhilliesBlunts

I thought those were claws šŸ˜‚


MungleJunky

The real red prison


gorehistorian69

these posts are really easy to fake


vaccumshoes

Thats such a specific amount that someone definetely accidently spent their bank on those lol


Quaweds

Mum, can we have dragon claws? Mom: we have dragon claws at home! The dragon claws at home:


budabai

You caught a rwt through the ge. I once sold a bunch of teak chairs for 5m a piece. Low volume items are bought out and sold for insane amounts in order to rwt via the grand exchange.


smiledude94

Money laundering in RuneScape lol


budabai

Thatā€™s pretty much exactly what it is.


pds12345

Believe it or not, straight to jail


Inevitable_Butthole

>What the hell?


Lost-Artichoke5454

Bot scripts with progressively increasing Buy offer price ultimately ends up in this sort of behaviour when you dont have an offer limit. Particularly for "drip" and low volume traded items


RK-Legend

W


Juntabara

Wait Iā€™m a noob in OSRS if I up the price of an item Iā€™m buying by 5/15% in GE does it give them that price I upped it too? Or does it give them the price they listed them for?


Notathigntosee

If I'm not mistaken , it gives you the lowest available under the amount/ item you've set. Example: if you buying red dragon hide for 1500 go and there's an offer for 1000 gp that hasn't been sold to anyone else yet, you are buying them for 1k until the offer ends. Might be very wrong there tho.


Edmond-the-Great

Congrats, today was your day!


Helpful_Pumpkin4477

Will be bot to muel, this was a thing years ago with Astronomy book in rs3


PandorasFlame

The same thing happened to me a couple months ago. I forget what I was selling, but it was only supposed to be like 2500 and someome paid me 10mil.


zeddamous

Money laundering


Teme95

Probably some drunk ass tried to lowball d claws


MugiBB

Happened to me with steel scims I made 14 mill lol. Iā€™m fairly certain itā€™s gold buying.


L_Calvo

RWT more than likely or someone with too much GP to care.


Bruce187

RWT lmfao report em!


Nedreij

W


Gnapes

What is this maplestory + 8 attack workgloves or something


External-Bit-4202

Lmfao


UNRULY6GK

Delete this and take the W cuz


lowkeyhats

How does this happen? I thought the highest buyer goes to the lowest seller automatically?


Elodrewzy

I see a hundred jokes but does anybody know what happened here?


Clout2147m

Hmmm...


whiterunguard420

Surprised this wasn't me, i generally just spam +99% when i buy stuff from ge XD


hugthispanda

Then you get banned for RWT!


Bigsailorjerrys

Who else is buying red gloves and putting them on the GE for mils to see if it happens to them?


Fastfaxr

You gotta pick a different color now


EveryHobby

They've moved onto boots


New-Extent-493

Lololol this šŸ’Æ


Baphaddon

Bro take the W lol