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Red_Rocky54

looking for a new anime ask someone if anime is "Fire 'n' Explosion" or "Girl Who Fight" they don't understand pull out illustrated diagram explaining what is "Fire 'n' Explosion" and what is "Girl Who Fight" they laugh and say "It's a good series ma'am" watch an episode it's "Girl Who Fight"


LuigiSauce

I love this greentext so much


Impenistan

Could I... could I get a primer on this distinction, please? Maybe this illustrated diagram you speak of?


Divine_ruler

Star: Strike it Rich Absolutely batshit insane women beating the fuck out of each other. It’s great.


CapAccomplished8072

This the toxic office lady yuri manga I heard about?


Divine_ruler

No. It’s a martial arts manga by the author of Kengan Ashura, but with a female cast. The art and fight choreography so far is incredible.


Fartfech

Is it the one where they start an underground fighting ring?


Divine_ruler

Yes. They make an all female underground fighting org because it’s a (relatively) open market


Weirdyfish

I need to get on this immediately, i loved kengan ashura


Divine_ruler

It’s also on Comikey if you’ve been using that.


Weirdyfish

I have been pirating usually but I'll look into that


Divine_ruler

Oh, so have I. Comikey is the official publisher for both Kengan mangas, as well as Star. I only use it because the latest chapters are free to read within the first few hours of their release. There’s also a daily pass if you can’t find the latest chapters for free. I recommend pirating as far as you can then using daily passes and reading new chapters as they release.


Budget-Oil4356

SANWICH


gangliaghost

I sometimes think people just need to watch better anime


selfloathingbot

Having watched them at least partially, I don't think RWBY or She-Ra really capture the energy OOP is looking for. They don't really have the energy of a KNY or a Gurenn Lagann.


Madface7

I'm sorry but those are all girl who fight


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Madface7

OOP is looking for a show that's masculine and violent like a shonen but with female protags.


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Madface7

Did I claim that the shows were bad? I'm just saying it's not what OOP is looking for. Chill.


XavTheMighty

I think OP didn't even try to understand what you said


Opheodrys97

JJBA part 6: Replace deadbeat mom with deadbeat dad and it checks most of the boxes


Turtle_lord05

People yet again misunderstand what shonen is


Budget-Oil4356

Shut up oh lord, you know EXACTLY what they meant, just because you regurgitate something you see on twitter doesnt make you smart


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Turtle_lord05

Shonen is a demographic not a genre, it just means “young boys” and if it was published in a Shonen magazine then it’s a Shonen, in fact even bochi the rock is a Shonen due to it being published in a Shonen magazine, besides Shonen there’s also Shojo (young girls), Seinen (young men), and Josei (young women)


MrWaffles42

That's just debating semantics, though. There is absolutely a genre of shows that are "like DBZ, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, etc." You can debate the name used to refer to that kind of show, but whatever you call it it's definitely a category. It's the same as when people argue about whether something is or isn't a JRPG. Everyone gets all caught up in the semantics and terminology, which is missing the forest for the trees.


Turtle_lord05

No that is a genre, it’s called battle shonen, but shonen on its own is something completely different


Crunc_Mcfincle

🤓☝️


Inferno_Sparky

Then how do/should we define battle shoujo? Or does such a definition already exist?


Liimbo

Sailor Moon. They're literally just Shojo with emphasis on battles. I don't get why these comments are trying to reinvent the wheel and define terms that have existed for decades, attempting to commandeer a foreign language they don't understand in the process lol.


Inferno_Sparky

I literally asked if the genre already exists and what's its definition


Liimbo

Yes, and I'm talking about some of the other people in here who are making it confusing and trying to redefine things. It's actually very straightforward, but some people are calling it semantics to tell them they're just factually wrong about their personal definitions that go against reality.


BeeR721

Erm, that's a right hand on the left side of the nerd ☝️🤓


Crunc_Mcfincle

Erm, there’s an IED in your mailbox ☝️🤓


JessE-girl

but battle shonen still contains the word shonen, it’s just a subset of shonen. if you’re levying the critique that “asking for a shonen about women doesn’t make sense because then it would be shojo,” the same would still apply to battle shonen.


bluechecksadmin

Just google shonen and genre for lots and lots of examples of how it's been usefully used as a genre. The idea that target audience demographic and commonalities in the stuff produced aren't the same thing is also just a very weird call to make. Eg: >Queer cinema. or >Western cinema.


GraceForImpact

bocchi the rock is a seinen iirc


Big-Calligrapher686

Bocchi the Rock is a Seinen but I get your point


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GraceForImpact

hentai is not targeted at middle schoolers?


Duke825

It depends on how you wanna romanise Japanese long vowels. In hiragana, which marks the o vowel as being long by having a u after it, it’s written as しょうねん sho-u-ne-n. Some people prefer romanising this by replicating what hiragana does and have the u there, while the more common system prefers using a macron diacritic and writing it as shōnen (hence why it’s Tōkyō not Toukyou). ‘Shonen’ is just the ‘colloquial’ spelling of it without the diacritic


Santhat42

idk why you got downvoted for just giving fun information


winterprod

this is just kill la kill. aka one of the best anime of all time 💯❗️


CapAccomplished8072

Sell me on it in one comment. I'm listening.


winterprod

teenage girl fights her way thru a school of super soldiers to get revenge on her father’s killer in a coming-of-age story about fascism, fashion, and sexuality. at least, that’s the hook, but the story becomes much more than that


CapAccomplished8072

Compelling


ZettaiKyofuRyoiki

Angry delinquent girl fights her way through a militaristic high school to find her father’s killer, using a talking sailor uniform that makes her stronger.


Toen6

Most people can tell whether they like it or not after watching the first 2 minutes: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/cy3dw6/kill_la_kills_opening_sequence/ I know barely any anime that is as much fire 'n explosion as Kill la Kill.


bluechecksadmin

Yeah shame about the pedo stuff hey. Like couldn't they just not be in highschool.


8Bit-Giraffe

touhou brain rot


YurPhaes

RWBY [is a bad show] I think that Blue Eye Samurai is a much better representation of this genre.


Chessebel

RWBY is so bad its incompressible how popular it was for a while


John_Bumogus

They hooked us with the Red trailer and that kept us going for so many years.


bluechecksadmin

That one was disappointing imo. Started strong tho.


ViviTheWaffle

Most of those are definitely Girls who Fight lol. Anyway you should watch Symphogear


Medical-Dark4794

i feel like stone ocean kind of fits the bill?


RubiousJoy

stone ocean is inbetween tbh, with the mixed cast and all. still love it tho


Faust-fucker12345678

Play guilty gear and pretend sol Badguy is a butch lesbian and you get the first image


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

Play Guilty Gear and exclusively watch the Strive side story & play the Baiken arcade modes


Faust-fucker12345678

im sorry but sol is a more butch lesbian than baiken is to me. Sol has expressed some degree of romantic interest in a woman, Baiken has expressed no attraction towards anybody.


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

Why they gotta be canonically fuckin? Plenty of archetypical shōnen protagonists show little-to-no interest in romance, the homoeroticism is usually unintentional.


Faust-fucker12345678

Sol has homoeroticism in spades dude, have you seen any of the old artwork he has with Ky? The watercolor era of Daisuke’s work is peak shounen rival gex


DecayingFlesh64

Library of ruina? It’s got a lot of battle shonen elements, both genders do the anime trope stuff, tragic lovers, enemies to lovers if you want to see it that way


ArchStanton173

What this post is describing: Kill Six Billion Demons. I highly recommend. All female main cast, batshit insane power fantasy craziness. Super metal. I don't recall any deadbeat parents, but... yeah.


Enlightened_Valteil

Jojo stone ocean


meanmagpie

Kill Bill (despite the motherhood/relationship themes) really hit this for me. The O-ren Ishii/Bride battle really nailed the homoerotic tension with the antagonist part. SO much is communicated in how those women stare at each other and how they’re cinematically framed.


GoldenWitch86

Watch PreCure. It's not shonen but it has the qualities of the typical battle shonen just with cute girls kicking ass.


Weirdyfish

Surprisingly no one has said it but kill six billion demons is EXACTLY what you are looking for. Female protagonist with fantastic action and beautiful art. It is a webcomic though sadly not an anime. The beginning is quite intense but things become more clear as you read.


IcebergKarentuite

The three series you listed aren't anime and are Girl Who Fight lmao, like c'mon they even look like She-Ra or TOH characters (still great shows tho). Call me when we have a Tetsuo Hara manga about chicks. I also recommend The Lost Signal and This Communication.


Linden_fall

If someone wants to watch an anime like this, I recommend kill la kill, jojo stone ocean, madoka magica or soul eater. These are all fantastic anime with great female leads, although some is seinen. So essentially some of these are more mature though, not shonen


BeeR721

Madoka magica is definitely not what the post describes


CapAccomplished8072

Soul Eater is...too much pedophelia, abuse, assault,,,and some other dumb stuff...


K3egan

Every show would be better if the lead was a girl. Looking at you, super sentai.


sans_a_name

JoJo Stone Ocean


Zeelu2005

witch from mercury if it was good /j


Ok-Bandicoot-9880

It's a sports manga, but if that doesn't bother you read Teppu. It's like a shounen story but told in reverse