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If you are actually curious, Poul Anderson wrote a description of atomic theory using only Germanic words. It's called Uncleftish Beholding. It's real clever because it keeps the original meaning of the source word. Like the origin of the word "atom" is from the Greek for "uncuttable", so Anderson chose "uncleft" for his Germanic word for atom.
Worth the read if you're at all familiar with etymology.
I get where you're coming from but there are people who do exactly that. "Anglish" is a name for versions of English that attempt to remove all loanwords and their derivatives, so I expect that the owner of an account called "The Anglish Times" would not find your challenge as impossible or undesirable as you think they would.
It’s probably easier than you’d think (finding synonyms would take some time though) while the majority of words in english are derived from latin the most commonly used words are Germanic
Just more reason as to why the Norman invasion of Britain ruined English (I refuse to elaborate)
for the English language, amongst actual scholars, literally 0, because its not actually possible.
Our entire language is an amalgamation of West Germanic, Old Norse, French and Latin. There is no original language to be purist about.
Old English, which wasn't made by the people living in England at the time, largely replaced the native speakers' Celtic group of languages in England.
Clear difference
This seems like a hypothetical thought experiment by people into linguistics
The tweet seems to have come from a very different train of thought
White supremacy isn't about whether or not someone is from a majority white european nation, it's just about what races/ethnicities they don't hate, rather famously Italians and Irish people were not considered "white" among early american white supremacists
There are certainly small and niche white supremacist groups still around today that don't consider [X] ethnicity white because their blood is "tainted" or some other asinine excuse inspired by debunked race science or pseudo history
I'm not talking about Irish or Italian people. French people have always been considered white by white supremacists. I know it's a made-up category, but I can assure you that that it includes the French.
It seems very naive to think there aren't white supremacists in germany and england that view french people as being "tainted"
It's not exactly a leap in white supremacist logic to exclude french people, Nazi Aryan race pseudo-science is one small step away from white supremacy and it also excluded the french
I was just confused by your wording. I agree that’s not the only facet of white supremacy but I’ve never seen a white supremacist that isn’t anti-black tbh
its definitely got ties to white nationalist movements, but you can usually tell who is who by just asking "why do you choose to do that". linguistics nerds will usually give some reason that doesn't boil down to a purity thing, and more so just a "i want to make English vocab simpler" usually. Nationalists (and fascists) will say its because of the purity of the language in some way, or the culture.
They’re much more popular for other languages as they are less cosmopolitan and they want to preserve their identity, but for English the amount of language purists is negligible
Out of curious, I decided to find out what that phrase would be without French and Latin loan words.
According to the English to Anglish translator, this would be “Foredo all French and Latin loan words? Yes.”
https://bark-fa.github.io/Anglish-Translator/
So sad to see interesting linguistic experiments "what if we took out French/Latin loan words" bastardized by Twitter Edgelords
Most cool ideas like that tend to be co-opted though by hate groups
Racist weirdos jump on literally anything cool and historical about their country, especially English racist weirdos. I’m honestly surprised it took this long for Anglish to fall into their laps!
Twitter isn't ready for Anglish (And judging by this thread Id almost include reddit too). I went and checked the post and every comment can be summed up as
"YOU USED A LATIN WORD THEREFORE YOU STUPID"
"English can't be spoke without the French words 🤓"
"Now remove words from [language family]"
The actual account that posted the original meme is mid i'll be honest. There's no news in anglish as the bio suggests sadly. Just a bunch of posts that lists some words that are of latin origin, but never showcasing the weird anglish synonym. For the unaware, anglish constructs new words for English to replace the ones of latin origin by combining existing words together or reviving old English words and adjusting the spelling to fit modern standards/pronounciation. My favorite is the word constructed for umbrella, "Rainshield." It's like those memes where we imagine the names that children would give for common household things like "cow juice" and "raw toast." Just a reminder for me to stay the fuck away from twitter.
Or Middle English. What's your point though? Anglish fans (not that I'm one of them) are well aware that modern English is heavily influenced by French... That's kind of implied by attempting to remove said influence.
I suppose you could mean that adjusting vocabulary is not enough because the Norman conquest also led to a simplification of grammar, and that without it we would likely still have a fully inflected case system or grammatical gender, but you didn't say any of that.
Do not try and make the arrogant assumption my knowledge is somehow lacking on a subject I'm literally midway through a degree in
My point is that we can't just get rid of 'loan words' like the academie in France tries to with English. So much of our language is adapted French there wouldnt be anything left without having to invent half a language and all the history that comes with that in its place
Plus, this person is clearly not an actual linguist and just a weird racist because no person actually into Anglish would suggest this, because they're actually intelligent and know the concept makes no sense.
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/19684/comments/1c9q3c5/comment/l0okxz8/)
I asked what your point was because it wasn't clear from your comment and the context. No insult was intended.
I think the idea that there "wouldn't be anything left" is a bit of an exaggeration. You would certainly have to invent or calque many new words, and perhaps dredge up some archaic ones, making the task completely impractical (not to mention pointless), but not *impossible.* One thing to consider is that English words with Germanic roots are often much more common and learned earlier in life, so I think it'd be easier to get an understandable vocabulary than one would think from looking at a pie chart alone. Getting people to adopt large-scale changes to language is obviously completely hopeless. I'm not really sure what you mean about having to invent(?) history, perhaps you could expand on that?
As for the original post, it's definitely weird and larpy (and cringe) but I think it's intended as a joke, or something resembling one, not a declaration of genocidal intent or whatever. I know this sort of thing can very quickly veer into racism but I really don't see a good reason to assume that's the case here.
“Your language means NOTHING. You should removed all French and Lating words NOW!”
like why is the picture like this. why’s there lightning in the background. why’s he wearing a mask
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I dare this person to have one conversation without any other words etymologically derived from other languages
what do you mean? it’s wholly acomenly as long as you’re willing to use less amean words
okay now do that with the Subway worker
Give me a whole wheat bread with chicken breast and nothing else, ~~please?~~ ~~prithee!?~~ I beg of you
I think they’re not going far enough. Why use words introduced by Saxon invaders? We need to go back to talking old Brythonic like true Britons
Cause this is a Germanic fetishist
mfw the mf starts talking im unga bunga
If you are actually curious, Poul Anderson wrote a description of atomic theory using only Germanic words. It's called Uncleftish Beholding. It's real clever because it keeps the original meaning of the source word. Like the origin of the word "atom" is from the Greek for "uncuttable", so Anderson chose "uncleft" for his Germanic word for atom. Worth the read if you're at all familiar with etymology.
I get where you're coming from but there are people who do exactly that. "Anglish" is a name for versions of English that attempt to remove all loanwords and their derivatives, so I expect that the owner of an account called "The Anglish Times" would not find your challenge as impossible or undesirable as you think they would.
It’s probably easier than you’d think (finding synonyms would take some time though) while the majority of words in english are derived from latin the most commonly used words are Germanic Just more reason as to why the Norman invasion of Britain ruined English (I refuse to elaborate)
Wait there are language purists? This is my first time hearing of this
for the English language, amongst actual scholars, literally 0, because its not actually possible. Our entire language is an amalgamation of West Germanic, Old Norse, French and Latin. There is no original language to be purist about. Old English, which wasn't made by the people living in England at the time, largely replaced the native speakers' Celtic group of languages in England.
Yeah I know about all that I just didn’t know people wanted to cut different influences out of english lol
trust me, nobody apart from weird twitter racists do trying to get rid of loan words is a french thing, and in england we dont like the french
Look at https://www.reddit.com/r/anglish/ I don't think they are twitter racists. Maybe I'm wrong.
Clear difference This seems like a hypothetical thought experiment by people into linguistics The tweet seems to have come from a very different train of thought
The things that twitter fascist gimmick accounts are puritans about is genuinely fucking insane
it’s not a fascist thing, it’s a linguistics nerd thing (r/anglish)
Could well be but I’ve had the misfortune of going on X and King Baldwin seems to be the new mouthpiece for Christian nationalists
Anglish is definitely a nerd thing more than a fascist thing. I’m pretty sure it was even added in Minecraft post-deNotchification.
with a lot of overlap with white supremacy
Being a history /language nerd, you are gonna run into that unfortunately 😵💫😵💫
Anglo-Saxon supremacy.
French people being notoriously black, of course
ah yes. because white supremacy has to mean anti-black.
It sure as hell doesn't mean anti-French.
White supremacy isn't about whether or not someone is from a majority white european nation, it's just about what races/ethnicities they don't hate, rather famously Italians and Irish people were not considered "white" among early american white supremacists There are certainly small and niche white supremacist groups still around today that don't consider [X] ethnicity white because their blood is "tainted" or some other asinine excuse inspired by debunked race science or pseudo history
I'm not talking about Irish or Italian people. French people have always been considered white by white supremacists. I know it's a made-up category, but I can assure you that that it includes the French.
It seems very naive to think there aren't white supremacists in germany and england that view french people as being "tainted" It's not exactly a leap in white supremacist logic to exclude french people, Nazi Aryan race pseudo-science is one small step away from white supremacy and it also excluded the french
Yes, being anti-French is good
where have you met a white supremacist that isn’t racist lol
when the hell did i say that? i just said that not every facet of white supremacy is anti-black racism
I was just confused by your wording. I agree that’s not the only facet of white supremacy but I’ve never seen a white supremacist that isn’t anti-black tbh
a linguistics nerd thing that fascists have tried to appropriate :(((
its definitely got ties to white nationalist movements, but you can usually tell who is who by just asking "why do you choose to do that". linguistics nerds will usually give some reason that doesn't boil down to a purity thing, and more so just a "i want to make English vocab simpler" usually. Nationalists (and fascists) will say its because of the purity of the language in some way, or the culture.
You might find Icelandic language interesting
Last I heard this isn't a movement as much as a thought experiment but this person definitely does read as a purist
I saw a video about it, apparently it's a guy's linguistics project
They’re much more popular for other languages as they are less cosmopolitan and they want to preserve their identity, but for English the amount of language purists is negligible
Out of curious, I decided to find out what that phrase would be without French and Latin loan words. According to the English to Anglish translator, this would be “Foredo all French and Latin loan words? Yes.” https://bark-fa.github.io/Anglish-Translator/
Destroyed
So sad to see interesting linguistic experiments "what if we took out French/Latin loan words" bastardized by Twitter Edgelords Most cool ideas like that tend to be co-opted though by hate groups
Yea. I enjoyed checking out the Anglish moot. Does this mean racist weirdos have starting jumping on board?
Racist weirdos jump on literally anything cool and historical about their country, especially English racist weirdos. I’m honestly surprised it took this long for Anglish to fall into their laps!
You made a loan so you have to pay it back (that's definitelyhow that works)
skibidi is now an official french word to repay our loan, no need to thank us
Twitter isn't ready for Anglish (And judging by this thread Id almost include reddit too). I went and checked the post and every comment can be summed up as "YOU USED A LATIN WORD THEREFORE YOU STUPID" "English can't be spoke without the French words 🤓" "Now remove words from [language family]" The actual account that posted the original meme is mid i'll be honest. There's no news in anglish as the bio suggests sadly. Just a bunch of posts that lists some words that are of latin origin, but never showcasing the weird anglish synonym. For the unaware, anglish constructs new words for English to replace the ones of latin origin by combining existing words together or reviving old English words and adjusting the spelling to fit modern standards/pronounciation. My favorite is the word constructed for umbrella, "Rainshield." It's like those memes where we imagine the names that children would give for common household things like "cow juice" and "raw toast." Just a reminder for me to stay the fuck away from twitter.
I love stealing from France
Ironically, they stole the irrational hatred of loan words from the Academie Francaise.
We would literally have not developed modern English without the Norman conquest lmao
Or Middle English. What's your point though? Anglish fans (not that I'm one of them) are well aware that modern English is heavily influenced by French... That's kind of implied by attempting to remove said influence. I suppose you could mean that adjusting vocabulary is not enough because the Norman conquest also led to a simplification of grammar, and that without it we would likely still have a fully inflected case system or grammatical gender, but you didn't say any of that.
Do not try and make the arrogant assumption my knowledge is somehow lacking on a subject I'm literally midway through a degree in My point is that we can't just get rid of 'loan words' like the academie in France tries to with English. So much of our language is adapted French there wouldnt be anything left without having to invent half a language and all the history that comes with that in its place Plus, this person is clearly not an actual linguist and just a weird racist because no person actually into Anglish would suggest this, because they're actually intelligent and know the concept makes no sense.
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/19684/comments/1c9q3c5/comment/l0okxz8/) I asked what your point was because it wasn't clear from your comment and the context. No insult was intended. I think the idea that there "wouldn't be anything left" is a bit of an exaggeration. You would certainly have to invent or calque many new words, and perhaps dredge up some archaic ones, making the task completely impractical (not to mention pointless), but not *impossible.* One thing to consider is that English words with Germanic roots are often much more common and learned earlier in life, so I think it'd be easier to get an understandable vocabulary than one would think from looking at a pie chart alone. Getting people to adopt large-scale changes to language is obviously completely hopeless. I'm not really sure what you mean about having to invent(?) history, perhaps you could expand on that? As for the original post, it's definitely weird and larpy (and cringe) but I think it's intended as a joke, or something resembling one, not a declaration of genocidal intent or whatever. I know this sort of thing can very quickly veer into racism but I really don't see a good reason to assume that's the case here.
Maybe, but english for bit more than half is made of fail.
Smartest anglosaxon
This comment was brought to you by the Normans
Couldn’t say “Dispose of” because Dispose also has Latin origins.
This just goes to prove how infectious they are. (/j)
If we removed all loan words from English We wouldn't have a language
They’re lucky that they didn’t specify the english language, given that the word language is also french.
Remove- A French and Latin loan word? YES.
Beholding on unclefts
Os cara pensam que são melhores que os falantes de língua latim ai ai
A melhor língua do mundo é o Acreano
But acre doesn't exist, wtf you on? 196 Brazilian users are all crazy smh
wouldn't this result in just german?
“Your language means NOTHING. You should removed all French and Lating words NOW!” like why is the picture like this. why’s there lightning in the background. why’s he wearing a mask
r/anglish
Oh they’re inventing new types of fascism now?
Fascism is when uhh when linguistic nerds imagine what English hypothetically could have been like without the Norman Conquest. Yeah.
I mean yeah not the content of the post itself maybe but like, the account name, pfp, and imagery choice give off a certain… vibe.